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Scientists surprised by data about distant planets |
Spitzer is getting some spectacular results.
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Scientists surprised by data about distant planets
By Will DunhamWed Feb 21, 8:47 PM ET
Scientists have gotten their best look ever at the composition of
planets outside our solar system, but were more surprised by what they
didn't see than what they did see.
Three teams of scientists described on Wednesday data collected by
NASA's orbiting Spitzer Space Telescope on two Jupiter-like gas planets
hundreds of trillions of miles (kilometers) away -- one in the
constellation Pegasus and the other in the constellation Vulpecula.
The scientists had been confident of finding water, in the form of
vapor, in the atmospheres of the two planets. They were wrong.
And one of the planets had evidence of small sand-like particles, called
silicates, in the atmosphere, suggesting it is wrapped in high, dusty
clouds unlike any planets in our solar system.
Spitzer observed for the first time enough light to figure out
signatures of molecules in the atmospheres of planets from outside our
little corner of the universe.
"It's actually rather momentous," Carl Grillmair of NASA's Spitzer
Science Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena
said in an interview. "It's a step in a long chain of events that
hopefully will eventually lead us to discovering life on some other
planet."
These two planets -- terrifically hot gas giants whizzing around their
stars in alarmingly close orbits -- are unlikely to harbor life as we
know it, Grillmair said.
But scientists hope to use similar techniques to scour smaller, rocky
planets more like Earth for indications of life, perhaps in the form of
oxygen or possibly chlorophyll.
Teams led by Grillmair, Jeremy Richardson of NASA's Goddard Space Flight
Center and Mark Swain of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory studied the
spectrum emitted by each planet. The findings appear in the journal
Nature and the Astrophysical Journal Letters.
A spectrum is produced when radiation is split into its component
wavelengths, like when light passes through a prism and is split into
the colors of the rainbow. In this research, the scientists split up the
light in the infrared region.
HIDDEN WATER?
"The main finding is that we don't see evidence for water in the two
planets," Richardson said. "The theorists will tell you that water, in
the form of vapor or steam, must be present in the planets' atmospheres.
This is because they are made mostly of hydrogen, with some oxygen
present."
Water may in fact be there, Richardson said, hidden by a thick layer of
clouds.
Grillmair said scientists had also expected to see methane and carbon
dioxide but saw none.
The two planets are known as "hot Jupiters." They are a bit bigger than
the solar system's largest planet, but 100 times closer to its star than
Jupiter is to the Sun and 10 times closer than our innermost planet,
Mercury, with planetary temperatures at a scorching 1500 degrees F (815
degrees C).
Planet HD 189733b, about 62 light years away in the constellation
Vulpecula, orbits its star once every 2.2 Earth days. Planet HD 209458b,
about 153 light years away in the constellation Pegasus, orbits its star
once every 3.5 days.
Both planets, from the vantage point of Earth, pass behind their stars
during orbit, temporarily disappearing from view. Spitzer's equipment
measured the decline in infrared light when the planet disappeared to
determine what light was coming exclusively from the planet.
Scientists have identified about 200 planets outside our solar system.
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22 Feb 2007 08:24:50 AM |
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But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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22 Feb 2007 09:25:07 AM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> writes:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Really? I guess the PC you're abusing just popped into existence from some
alternate reality...
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chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
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| User: "johac" |
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22 Feb 2007 06:12:49 PM |
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In article <szkvehukyek.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> writes:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Really? I guess the PC you're abusing just popped into existence from some
alternate reality...
Goddidit!
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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22 Feb 2007 03:32:56 PM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in news:235b8$45dda795$4088c657
$5544@EVERESTKC.NET:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
So why are you using electricity or tap water, even flushing your toilet.
To parphrase Uncle Al: Ten thousand years and legions of priests, seers,
self appointed holy men and witch doctors. Result - nothing. A single
humble engineer Thomas Crapper, applies a little basic hydrolic principles
and literally saves humanity from the *****.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Carl Wilson" |
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22 Feb 2007 04:54:53 PM |
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On 23 Feb 2007 10:32:56 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in news:235b8$45dda795$4088c657
$5544@EVERESTKC.NET:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
So why are you using electricity or tap water, even flushing your toilet.
What makes you think he flushes his toilet?
To parphrase Uncle Al: Ten thousand years and legions of priests, seers,
self appointed holy men and witch doctors. Result - nothing. A single
humble engineer Thomas Crapper, applies a little basic hydrolic principles
and literally saves humanity from the *****.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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22 Feb 2007 05:09:27 PM |
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Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net> wrote in
news:1p7st2de34ja12c2ham9vf33vj8kel7k0i@4ax.com:
On 23 Feb 2007 10:32:56 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
news:235b8$45dda795$4088c657 $5544@EVERESTKC.NET:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
So why are you using electricity or tap water, even flushing your
toilet.
What makes you think he flushes his toilet?
Well I must admit that would explain much ;-}.
Klazmon
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| User: "johac" |
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22 Feb 2007 06:08:49 PM |
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In article <Xns98E07BAC7B115Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net> wrote in
news:1p7st2de34ja12c2ham9vf33vj8kel7k0i@4ax.com:
On 23 Feb 2007 10:32:56 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
news:235b8$45dda795$4088c657 $5544@EVERESTKC.NET:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
So why are you using electricity or tap water, even flushing your
toilet.
What makes you think he flushes his toilet?
Well I must admit that would explain much ;-}.
Klazmon
LOL!
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Mar 2007 06:22:14 PM |
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On 23 Feb 2007 12:09:27 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in alt.atheism
Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net> wrote in
news:1p7st2de34ja12c2ham9vf33vj8kel7k0i@4ax.com:
On 23 Feb 2007 10:32:56 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
news:235b8$45dda795$4088c657 $5544@EVERESTKC.NET:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
So why are you using electricity or tap water, even flushing your
toilet.
What makes you think he flushes his toilet?
Well I must admit that would explain much ;-}.
Klazmon
Bronze age savages aren't known for their personal hygeine, education,
or how to behave in polite company.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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| User: "johac" |
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22 Feb 2007 06:09:58 PM |
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In article <235b8$45dda795$4088c657$5544@EVERESTKC.NET>,
"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
I'm sure someone asked that of the person who discovered fire or
invented the first stone tool.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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22 Feb 2007 10:08:09 AM |
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On Feb 22, 2:24 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
What are you posting to Usenet on? A tin can on the end of a piece of
string? *****! You're stupid.
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| User: "the_Host" |
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22 Feb 2007 10:25:38 AM |
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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1172160489.299669.253250@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 2:24 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
What are you posting to Usenet on? A tin can on the end of a piece of
string? *****! You're stupid.
Best damn tin can made..
What is stupid is they spend billions of dollars thinking they are going to
migrate into the Universe, yet we cannot live on this Earth in piece yet.
People think they are going to increase the quality of life through science,
instead of through morals and values.
They spend tons of money on utopian ideas as people continue to kill one
another.
Hundreds of thousands murdered every day for greed, but HEY, Jupiter has one
more moon than we all knew about!!!! O BOY!!!!!!
All in vain.
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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22 Feb 2007 01:20:54 PM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
news:b6a8f$45ddc3e3$4088c657$19081@EVERESTKC.NET:
<...>
People think they are going to increase the quality of life
through science, instead of through morals and values.
<...>
Some people *know that through science they are getting a lot more
*quantity of life than they would have had without it.
46+ years and counting.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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22 Feb 2007 03:47:10 PM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
news:b6a8f$45ddc3e3$4088c657$19081@EVERESTKC.NET:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk>
wrote in message
news:1172160489.299669.253250@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 2:24 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
What are you posting to Usenet on? A tin can on the end of a piece of
string? *****! You're stupid.
Best damn tin can made..
Made by the application of scientific principles.
What is stupid is they spend billions of dollars thinking they are going
to migrate into the Universe,
Right. Much better to live as ignorant savages throwing spears at each
other.
yet we cannot live on this Earth in piece
yet.
Take a look at yourself in the mirror bub. Who was it posting bald faced
lies about others?
People think they are going to increase the quality of life through
science, instead of through morals and values.
Your better disconnect your water, electricity and sewage as you say it is
doing your morals and values no good.
They spend tons of money on utopian ideas as people continue to kill one
another.
Right. The money should have been given to priests so they can gorge
themselves.
Hundreds of thousands murdered every day for greed, but HEY,
Priests don't need to murder all that often, they mostly con the sheep out
of their money.
Jupiter has
one more moon than we all knew about!!!! O BOY!!!!!!
That's funny. You didn't even have a clue what the article was about.
All in vain.
Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is permananet.
Klazmon.
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| User: "the_Host" |
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22 Feb 2007 10:40:19 AM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in message
news:b6a8f$45ddc3e3$4088c657$19081@EVERESTKC.NET...
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1172160489.299669.253250@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 2:24 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
What are you posting to Usenet on? A tin can on the end of a piece of
string? *****! You're stupid.
Best damn tin can made..
What is stupid is they spend billions of dollars thinking they are going
to
migrate into the Universe, yet we cannot live on this Earth in piece yet.
oops, peace.
People think they are going to increase the quality of life through
science,
instead of through morals and values.
They spend tons of money on utopian ideas as people continue to kill one
another.
Hundreds of thousands murdered every day for greed, but HEY, Jupiter has
one
more moon than we all knew about!!!! O BOY!!!!!!
All in vain.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Feb 2007 05:28:45 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:25:38 -0600, "the_Host"
<the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote:
What is stupid is they spend billions of dollars thinking they are going to
migrate into the Universe, yet we cannot live on this Earth in piece yet.
Or even learn to differentiate homonyms.
People think they are going to increase the quality of life through science,
instead of through morals and values.
How have morals and values eliminated smallpox? Or heated homes in
winter and cooled them in summer? Or kept us from digging latrines
upstream of our drinking places? But all that has increased the
quality of life. Religion sure hasn't. Being anally raped by a
priest is a better life?
They spend tons of money on utopian ideas as people continue to kill one
another.
Christians continue to kill Moslems because Moslems are the wrong
religion. Without religion, and its "morals" and "values", that
excuse wouldn't exist.
Hundreds of thousands murdered every day for greed
Where? Not on this planet.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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22 Feb 2007 10:23:09 AM |
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On Feb 22, 6:24 am, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
Besides the obvious response to that idiotic sentence, your subject
"Scientists concerned about bullcrap trillions of miles away" is total
*****. What do you mean, "concerned?" How about "curious" instead?
***** me, I am so glad that dull luddites like you don't have the
political power anymore to censor all learning that threatens your
dorky little make-believe world of Jesus and his pals.
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| User: "the_Host" |
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22 Feb 2007 10:44:24 AM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172161389.179572.297570@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 6:24 am, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
Besides the obvious response to that idiotic sentence, your subject
"Scientists concerned about bullcrap trillions of miles away" is total
*****. What do you mean, "concerned?" How about "curious" instead?
***** me, I am so glad that dull luddites like you don't have the
political power anymore to censor all learning that threatens your
dorky little make-believe world of Jesus and his pals.
If not concerned then why all of the effort?
As in: I am curious about why people are brain dead, but if I were not
concerned I would not be here.
Anyway...
Host.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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22 Feb 2007 11:26:39 AM |
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On Feb 22, 8:44 am, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172161389.179572.297570@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 6:24 am, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
Besides the obvious response to that idiotic sentence, your subject
"Scientists concerned about bullcrap trillions of miles away" is total
*****. What do you mean, "concerned?" How about "curious" instead?
***** me, I am so glad that dull luddites like you don't have the
political power anymore to censor all learning that threatens your
dorky little make-believe world of Jesus and his pals.
If not concerned then why all of the effort?
As in: I am curious about why people are brain dead, but if I were not
concerned I would not be here.
I've never seen anyone answer their own questions with non sequiturs
before. Congratulations.
They're learning about the universe. Some of us are fascinated. If
you'd rather be brain dead, go ahead.
Anyway...
Host.
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| User: "Carl Wilson" |
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22 Feb 2007 04:52:24 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:24:50 -0600, "the_Host"
<the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
Says the loon typing on a computer. Or did gawd create computers on
the 7th day but forget to mention it?
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Mar 2007 03:46:04 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:52:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:24:50 -0600, "the_Host"
<the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
Says the loon typing on a computer. Or did gawd create computers on
the 7th day but forget to mention it?
He played with his WangŪ.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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| User: "jem" |
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22 Feb 2007 02:14:57 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:24:50 -0600, "the_Host"
<the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Host.
That's the stupidest thing I read all week. But, you'll probably top
it. In that I have faith.
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Mar 2007 03:42:23 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:24:50 -0600, "the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
False witness from the witless.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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22 Feb 2007 08:33:22 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:24:50 -0600, the_Host <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Are you sitting in the mud using making spears to forage for food?
Scientists have made a huge difference wether you're too stupid to realize
it or not.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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22 Feb 2007 08:40:50 AM |
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the_Host wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Died of any diseases recently whilst gorging yourself on pest-free
food and posting to the internet from your air conditioned home?
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Mar 2007 03:43:18 PM |
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On 22 Feb 2007 06:40:50 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
the_Host wrote:
But they cannot even make a difference in quality of life here.
Died of any diseases recently whilst gorging yourself on pest-free
food and posting to the internet from your air conditioned home?
Unfortunately, the vermin hasn't.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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