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"Conspiracy of Doves" |
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16 Aug 2007 04:35:12 PM |
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Screeching death nell for creationists |
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
16 Aug 2007 05:55:56 PM |
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In article <1187300112.239428.277780@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Conspiracy of Doves <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Indeed. We'll have to see how this plays out. So far these are just
inorganic particles with interesting structures, but who know where
future studies will lead?
Nice find. Thanks for posting this.
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
16 Aug 2007 09:33:34 PM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-D3D2F5.15555616082007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1187300112.239428.277780@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Conspiracy of Doves <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Indeed. We'll have to see how this plays out. So far these are just
inorganic particles with interesting structures, but who know where
future studies will lead?
Nice find. Thanks for posting this.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks for posting it.
I'm particularly impressed with the idea that these inorganic structures
could be the template for more complex organic structures.
It occurs to me that they may have been the 'scaffolding' on which the first
RNA/DNA molecules assembled themselves.
As with scaffolding, it was removed when the organic molecules were fully
assembled and it was no longer needed to support the unfinished structure.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
17 Aug 2007 12:17:27 AM |
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In article <2O7xi.24027$h11.18261@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-D3D2F5.15555616082007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1187300112.239428.277780@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Conspiracy of Doves <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Indeed. We'll have to see how this plays out. So far these are just
inorganic particles with interesting structures, but who know where
future studies will lead?
Nice find. Thanks for posting this.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks for posting it.
I'm particularly impressed with the idea that these inorganic structures
could be the template for more complex organic structures.
It occurs to me that they may have been the 'scaffolding' on which the first
RNA/DNA molecules assembled themselves.
As with scaffolding, it was removed when the organic molecules were fully
assembled and it was no longer needed to support the unfinished structure.
Yes. Alexander Graham Cairns-Smith would be very interested in this.
Smiler,
The godless one
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
17 Aug 2007 03:35:12 AM |
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On Aug 16, 10:35 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
I don't see this as a death knell for creationists. It's only more
reality, and that's never bothered them before.
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| User: "Mirage" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
16 Aug 2007 04:47:28 PM |
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On Aug 16, 2:35 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Thanks CoD, this looks like a fascinating read =)
Giving me something to do at work (other than work).
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
17 Aug 2007 05:58:44 PM |
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On Aug 16, 2:35 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
That's close to being the most amazing thing I have ever read.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
18 Aug 2007 07:47:05 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:58:44 -0700, Neil Kelsey
<neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 2:35 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
That's close to being the most amazing thing I have ever read.
Note that it is only a computer model.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
18 Aug 2007 11:51:58 PM |
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On Aug 18, 8:47 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:58:44 -0700, Neil Kelsey
<neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 2:35 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
That's close to being the most amazing thing I have ever read.
Note that it is only a computer model.
"It's only a model"
"Shh"
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
19 Aug 2007 03:16:19 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:51:58 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 18, 8:47 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:58:44 -0700, Neil Kelsey
<neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 2:35 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
That's close to being the most amazing thing I have ever read.
Note that it is only a computer model.
"It's only a model"
"Shh"
And Sir Jason ran away.
Bravely ran away, away,
Brave, brave Sir Jason...
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
17 Aug 2007 04:08:13 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Creationists won't see this as a problem. Just the opposite, in fact.
They'll claim it's their sky pixie giving us yet another "proof" that
he exists.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
17 Aug 2007 11:16:15 AM |
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On Aug 17, 5:08 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Creationists won't see this as a problem. Just the opposite, in fact.
They'll claim it's their sky pixie giving us yet another "proof" that
he exists.
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
*sigh*
Sometimes it's hard for me to wrap my mind around that whole "Every
phenomenon in the universe is proof of what I have already decided I
want to believe" attitude of theirs.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
17 Aug 2007 03:53:35 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:16:15 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 17, 5:08 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Creationists won't see this as a problem. Just the opposite, in fact.
They'll claim it's their sky pixie giving us yet another "proof" that
he exists.
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
*sigh*
Sometimes it's hard for me to wrap my mind around that whole "Every
phenomenon in the universe is proof of what I have already decided I
want to believe" attitude of theirs.
"Gawd-uh placed the double helix-uh in the heavens as PROOF-uh that he
is the creator of all life-uh. Puh-raise Gawd-uh."
The above line delivered, of course, with eyelids clamped so tightly
closed you couldn't squeeze a DNA molecule between them. WTF is it
with fundy preachers and the permanently fused eyelids anyway? <G>
Not to mention the 'uh' at the end of every other word.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
17 Aug 2007 04:20:20 PM |
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On Aug 17, 1:53 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:16:15 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 17, 5:08 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Creationists won't see this as a problem. Just the opposite, in fact.
They'll claim it's their sky pixie giving us yet another "proof" that
he exists.
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
*sigh*
Sometimes it's hard for me to wrap my mind around that whole "Every
phenomenon in the universe is proof of what I have already decided I
want to believe" attitude of theirs.
"Gawd-uh placed the double helix-uh in the heavens as PROOF-uh that he
is the creator of all life-uh. Puh-raise Gawd-uh."
The above line delivered, of course, with eyelids clamped so tightly
closed you couldn't squeeze a DNA molecule between them. WTF is it
with fundy preachers and the permanently fused eyelids anyway? <G>
Not to mention the 'uh' at the end of every other word.
My personal favorite has always been the way they pronounce "glory":
GLOW-REE!
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
18 Aug 2007 05:48:08 PM |
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On Aug 17, 5:20 pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:53 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:16:15 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 17, 5:08 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Creationists won't see this as a problem. Just the opposite, in fact.
They'll claim it's their sky pixie giving us yet another "proof" that
he exists.
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
*sigh*
Sometimes it's hard for me to wrap my mind around that whole "Every
phenomenon in the universe is proof of what I have already decided I
want to believe" attitude of theirs.
"Gawd-uh placed the double helix-uh in the heavens as PROOF-uh that he
is the creator of all life-uh. Puh-raise Gawd-uh."
The above line delivered, of course, with eyelids clamped so tightly
closed you couldn't squeeze a DNA molecule between them. WTF is it
with fundy preachers and the permanently fused eyelids anyway? <G>
Not to mention the 'uh' at the end of every other word.
My personal favorite has always been the way they pronounce "glory":
GLOW-REE!
Not to mention pronouncing the word 'Jesus' with at least nine
syllables.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
18 Aug 2007 07:55:31 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
The bible addresses life on earth and the beginnings of the universe. The bible
say nothing about life forms of other types and other places.
Try and do better next time.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
18 Aug 2007 06:00:30 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:hvqdc3db4jpe18jthj9e1i507gvq8bpl11@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
The bible addresses life on earth and the beginnings of the universe. The
bible
say nothing about life forms of other types and other places.
What didn't you understand about the following sentences?
"He adds that the plasma conditions needed to form these helical structures
are common in outer space. However, plasmas can also form under more _down
to earth_ conditions such as the point of a lightning strike."
The helical structures, although inorganic, could have been the
'scaffolding' onto which RNA/DNA originally assembled.
Try and do better next time.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
19 Aug 2007 04:40:50 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
The bible addresses life on earth and the beginnings of the universe. The
bible say nothing about life forms of other types and other places.
That would seem to be a major flaw in the bible, doncha think? I mean,
life on earth, the beginnings of the universe, life forms of other types
and places--they're pretty important, aren't they? So it's only
reasonable to also talk about life elsewhere if you're going to talk
about any of these.
That is, unless the bible is nothing more than a load of Bronze Age
***** when it comes to all these subjects...
Try and do better next time.
Tell that to your lame "god" who can't even tell us about life elsewhere
in the universe.
duke, American-American Idiot-Idiot
*****
"The ***** is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul LXIX
*****
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Screeching death nell for creationists |
19 Aug 2007 08:03:51 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:35:12 -0500, Conspiracy of Doves wrote
(in article <1187300112.239428.277780@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
Inorganic interstellar matter could be alive.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm
Whoa. This is heavy.
This, this right here is EXACTLY the kind of jaw-dropping wonder of
the natural world that underscores just how silly and childish ancient
myths like the bible really are.
Shades of Larry Niven.
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug me, or
there would be many less of YOUR kind.³-John Weatherly
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