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"Guitar George" |
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31 Jan 2005 01:47:35 PM |
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Second Thoughts? |
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
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| User: "Clayton Based Life Form" |
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31 Jan 2005 10:32:12 PM |
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"Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107179255.155383.182320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
Burn a Bible! When nothing happens, you'll feel remarkabley free. Of
course take all the usual precautions when lighting a fire!
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| User: "Sam" |
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01 Feb 2005 02:41:17 AM |
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Clayton Based Life Form wrote:
"Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107179255.155383.182320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
Burn a Bible! When nothing happens, you'll feel remarkabley free. Of
course take all the usual precautions when lighting a fire!
is it better than burning money?
--
Sam
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| User: "Clayton Based Life Form" |
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01 Feb 2005 07:05:13 AM |
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"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:h%BLd.9684$8Z1.7760@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Clayton Based Life Form wrote:
Burn a Bible! When nothing happens, you'll feel remarkabley free. Of
course take all the usual precautions when lighting a fire!
is it better than burning money?
I wouldn't know....I wouldn't burn anything of any actual value...only
Bibles!
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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03 Feb 2005 05:37:58 PM |
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Clayton Based Life Form wrote:
Burn a Bible! When nothing happens, you'll feel remarkabley=AD free.
Or, alternatively, have your dog eat it. <Grin> That's how I got rid
of mine, although it wasn't a planned occurrence. Apparently she
thought that lambskin leather binding and rice-paper pages made for the
nummiest treat ever!
All I could think of was, "Holy *****!"
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herder
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| User: "Ike" |
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01 Feb 2005 12:37:54 AM |
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"Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107179255.155383.182320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
You need a hobby.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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31 Jan 2005 03:00:44 PM |
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"Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1107179255.155383.182320
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
Never happened to me. Of course, I was raised atheist, so I was never
infected with that illness.
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Attributed to Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "pensul" |
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01 Feb 2005 01:31:22 AM |
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.... As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers?
We all do; it's just that believers are the only ones with reputations worth
talking about. Theists do not have the burden of proving that they are
theists, neither do they cease being theists if their statements are not
understood. They do have the burden, like everyone else, of backing up
their statements with evidence, and if the evidence is lacking, it means that
the theist lacks the evidence, not that those he is addressing lack evidence
of or belief in theism. Thus atheism is really only applicable to a theist,
because only one who knows and believes the claims of theism can tell what
a-theism or non-theism is. The same could be said of agnostics in relation
to gnosis. Atheists are really disaffected gnostics, but because they can't
come up with a catchy phrase like agnosis, ( which is ridiculous ), they've
thought up atheism, which sounds like a belief but really isn't; this describes
accurately what they resent about gnosis. Briefly, they wish to be organized
like a religion in order to fight religion, but lack the vocabulary to do so.
Therefore, the word "atheist" really only describes a particular point of view
of theists which indicates their ignorance of the evidence of theism, not
theists themselves.
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"The world of existence is an emanation of the merciful attribute of God."
Abdul-Baha
http://www.costarricense.cr/pagina/ernobe
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| User: "Sam" |
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01 Feb 2005 02:44:33 AM |
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pensul wrote:
.... As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers?
We all do; it's just that believers are the only ones with reputations worth
talking about. Theists do not have the burden of proving that they are
theists, neither do they cease being theists if their statements are not
understood. They do have the burden, like everyone else, of backing up
their statements with evidence, and if the evidence is lacking, it means that
the theist lacks the evidence, not that those he is addressing lack evidence
of or belief in theism. Thus atheism is really only applicable to a theist,
because only one who knows and believes the claims of theism can tell what
a-theism or non-theism is. The same could be said of agnostics in relation
to gnosis. Atheists are really disaffected gnostics, but because they can't
come up with a catchy phrase like agnosis, ( which is ridiculous ), they've
thought up atheism, which sounds like a belief but really isn't; this describes
accurately what they resent about gnosis. Briefly, they wish to be organized
like a religion in order to fight religion, but lack the vocabulary to do so.
Therefore, the word "atheist" really only describes a particular point of view
of theists which indicates their ignorance of the evidence of theism, not
theists themselves.
wow, deja vu, i'm gettin dizzy
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Sam
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| User: "CQMMAN" |
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31 Jan 2005 01:49:41 PM |
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Guitar George <a01a01@yahoo.com> wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still
does anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there
might actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There
is other odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be
true that some vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then
killed his Son to save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true,
(e.g. subatomic particles that change they behavior when observed,
etc.). Comments? Guitar George
Don't worry it will pass. :)
Once I had accepted that there was no god, it still took a couple of years
before it was out of my system completely. It depends on how long you were a
believer for.
--
Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active
military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which
could be activated within 45 minutes
- Tony Blair on Saddam 24/9/02
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the
great and enduring alliances of modern times."
George W Bush -Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002
suicide bombing is not a belief
-CrazyAlec (internet spook)
"I hear there's rumors on the Internets"
- George W Bush -Oct. 9, 2004
Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to
kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn
them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the
feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us
crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and
there, I don't care. -- Ariel Sharon, interviewed by Amos Oz (published
in the Israeli daily Davar, DEC 17, 1982
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| User: "" |
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31 Jan 2005 02:43:53 PM |
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Guitar George wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in
rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still
does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is
other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that
some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
I'd worry more about Cthulu or whatever the hell his name is. If a
real God wanted to nail us, he wouldn't have to resort to sneaky
deceptions to lure us into a position of vulnerability, he'd just nail
us. ;)
What you're really facing is the scary reality that the universe is too
big to know, and the dangers too complicated to fully identify and
protect against. Your mind is just using familiar symbols and concepts
to put this (perfectly justified) fear into more concrete terms.
Mark Nutter
manutter51@alethian.org
http://www.alethian.org/ -- Information about Alethea, the God behind
the concept of "god," and about Alethian faith and practice.
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| User: "Fatman" |
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31 Jan 2005 09:46:56 PM |
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Guitar George wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still
does anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there
might actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There
is other odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be
true that some vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then
killed his Son to save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true,
(e.g. subatomic particles that change they behavior when observed,
etc.). Comments? Guitar George
I have never been burdened with a theology that I later rejected.
If you were a former believer in a different religion, you may have
second thoughts about its doctrine as well. Me wondering if there is a
Christian heaven or hell is as absurd as wondering if there is a
Valhalla.
I was never raised in Christianity even though my parents are
non-practicing Catholics (they went to Catholic schools as kids.). We
never attended church. My brother and I were never Baptized, nor once
did we even talk about the bible at home. My parents felt religion was
a choice the individual made on their own.
Fatman
--
"Once again decent citizens will be able to enter this house of
worship, kneel down in front of a nearly-naked man hanging from a
wooden apparatus by a series of gruesome body piercings, and engage in
their bizarre practices of ritualized blood-drinking and cannibalism
without being assaulted by graphic images of attractive young women
with bare breasts."-- A. Whitney Brown, "The Daily Show"
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike."--Delos B.
McKown, PhD, US professor, philosopher, author, former clergyman
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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31 Jan 2005 11:25:21 PM |
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In article <1107179255.155383.182320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com> wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers?
That sort of thing only happened to me during the first year or so after
I de-converted. I've long since gotten past that de-programming part of
my life, happily.
There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.).
How, pray tell, can quantum mechanics be "crazier" than the *****-house
rat insanity that is monotheism?
Comments?
Nope, I think I'd rather not comment at all. Thanks.
Guitar George
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Sam" |
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01 Feb 2005 02:43:23 AM |
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*nemo* wrote:
How, pray tell, can quantum mechanics be "crazier" than the *****-house
rat insanity that is monotheism?
i work at a church, on sunday during the sermon the pastor tried to use
quantum mechanics to explain how god let the tsunami happened...
look! nothing up my sleeves! ladies and gents i got a deal for you!
QED! god put the random weird stuff in there for some reason or other
now pass the plate!
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Sam
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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31 Jan 2005 04:47:17 PM |
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In our last episode
<1107179255.155383.182320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Guitar George
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't seen
this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again protestant, I
pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting the absurd
doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does anyone else
wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might actually be a
fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers?
I used to. But it's been a while now. When you're indoctrinated as a
child, that's going to tend to stick with you a while. For myself, it
passed. Took a while though.
There is other odd unexpected
stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some vengeful Jewish
God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to save us, crazier
***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic particles that change they
behavior when observed, etc.). Comments? Guitar George
Well, maybe. I mean, the behavior of the sub-atomic is confusing and
counter-intuitive but not necessarily just out and out "insane." While the
further away I get from my old belief system, the more *bizarre it looks.
These days, it looks even more nuts that the worst in quantum physics. <g>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "raven1" |
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01 Feb 2005 01:40:07 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers?
No. What's more, I couldn't care less; if an omnipotent, omniscient,
omnibenevolent deity does exist it necessarily knows what sort of
evidence it would take to convince me that it exists, and be able and
willing to provide it, if Hell is the consequence for non-belief. That
it hasn't done so is fairly convincing evidence that it's either
indifferent to whether or not I believe in it, or that it doesn't
exist.
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
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31 Jan 2005 05:37:40 PM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers?
Never given it a moments thought. It is a completely illogical idea.
There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Not this one.
Guitar George
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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01 Feb 2005 01:06:00 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
I've always been an atheist. Religion/superstition never made much
sense to me even at a young age. Nobody could answer the question of
'why' unless you suspend all reason and logic.
Don't worry about it. I've seen a lot of recovering theists. It's
like a phase thing. It'll pass. Once the logic, reasoning of atheism
is planted, you'll never go back. At this stage you'll probably do
more harm to your mind if you went back and 'tried' to believe.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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01 Feb 2005 03:00:11 PM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
Hey George,
I was a hardcore Christian for nearly 21 years of my life. I was born
into it and indoctrinated from before my memory. It took me nearly 5
years of looking within myself to come to terms with my atheism and
now I've been an atheist for over 15 years.
Two odd things STILL crop up in my mind from time to time:
1. Whenever I say, out loud, with people around that 'there is no
god' I get a twinge and a instantly-passing fear that lightening is
going to come down from the sky and zap me.
2. Whenever I smell the odor of cheap coffee and sugar cookies
together, I get a churchy-feeling inside... it's the weirdest thing.
Almost the way a song can snap you back to your first true love.
Here is something that really helped me get over that nagging fear
that you'll really end up at the pearly gates for judgment when you
die and end up in hell:
GOD is an all-knowing and all-forgiving god.
GOD will look into your heart and KNOW why you turned from
Christianity... Chances are, you didn't turn away from him because
you got tired of following his rules or 'hate' him, but, instead,
after A LOT of rational thought, came to the conclusion that you don't
trust the bible or Christians are telling you the truth... that
somehow they all got it wrong.
and god WILL *understand* your reasoning... after all, it does make
sense, and if God DOES exist, he will forgive you.
I know (sadly) that some atheists here scoff at this sort of mental
exercise. A couple here have even slammed me in the past for such
things... but for *ME* it helped to overcome the years of intense
brainwashing and those very real middle-of-the-night nagging fears.
Good luck with it.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth
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31 Jan 2005 08:09:34 PM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
I don't really think about it. As I've said before, even if I turn out
to be wrong and there *is* a god, I'm sure the creator of the universe
has much more important things to worry about than whether I believed
he existed or not.
BTW, do you really know all the chords? <G>
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| User: "raven1" |
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01 Feb 2005 01:41:22 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:34 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
I don't really think about it. As I've said before, even if I turn out
to be wrong and there *is* a god, I'm sure the creator of the universe
has much more important things to worry about than whether I believed
he existed or not.
BTW, do you really know all the chords? <G>
But it's strictly rhythm; he doesn't wanna make it cry or sing...
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| User: "Sam" |
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01 Feb 2005 02:45:25 AM |
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raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:34 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
I don't really think about it. As I've said before, even if I turn out
to be wrong and there *is* a god, I'm sure the creator of the universe
has much more important things to worry about than whether I believed
he existed or not.
BTW, do you really know all the chords? <G>
But it's strictly rhythm; he doesn't wanna make it cry or sing...
jesus made all the chords, seriously, tho, the dude cant vamp
--
Sam
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| User: "John Baker" |
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01 Feb 2005 05:07:02 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:45:25 GMT, Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com>
wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:34 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
I don't really think about it. As I've said before, even if I turn out
to be wrong and there *is* a god, I'm sure the creator of the universe
has much more important things to worry about than whether I believed
he existed or not.
BTW, do you really know all the chords? <G>
But it's strictly rhythm; he doesn't wanna make it cry or sing...
jesus made all the chords, seriously, tho, the dude cant vamp
I know, man. I jammed with that dude one time. He didn't know *any*
tunes.
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: Second Thoughts? |
01 Feb 2005 05:41:43 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:45:25 GMT, Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com>
wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:34 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
I don't really think about it. As I've said before, even if I turn out
to be wrong and there *is* a god, I'm sure the creator of the universe
has much more important things to worry about than whether I believed
he existed or not.
BTW, do you really know all the chords? <G>
But it's strictly rhythm; he doesn't wanna make it cry or sing...
jesus made all the chords, seriously, tho, the dude cant vamp
I know, man. I jammed with that dude one time. He didn't know *any*
tunes.
'knocking on heavens door', but he wants to do it g'n'r stylee
--
Sam
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Second Thoughts? |
01 Feb 2005 01:35:15 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
I used to be scared of death until I figured out my fear was because I
genetically programmed to be afraid of death. It was like putting it
into perspective.
The same is true of being a social animal and being genetically
programmed to cleve to those we know and respect. It should help to
know that people like me who didn't grow up with religous people have
no fear at all of hell. It just seems really silly exactly the same as
worrying about the greek god pantheon.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Second Thoughts? |
02 Feb 2005 06:44:34 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
The conditioning is extremely malevolent. It takes time to eliminate
the garbage programming. Keep in mind with an omni character there's
no 'testing' or 'free will.' Of course, it doesn't exist nor does its
torture chamber.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Second Thoughts? |
04 Feb 2005 06:57:19 AM |
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In article <jit00112ssladr0s4ltugggeqh8oc94qg2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
The conditioning is extremely malevolent. It takes time to eliminate
the garbage programming. Keep in mind with an omni character there's
no 'testing' or 'free will.' Of course, it doesn't exist nor does its
torture chamber.
I had over twelve years of 'programming' (I prefer brainwashing) in
Catholic schools. It does take a while to get completely deprogrammed,
but not as hard as I thought. It was a hell of a lot harder to give up
smoking.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Second Thoughts? |
02 Feb 2005 02:31:30 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
The conditioning is extremely malevolent. It takes time to eliminate
the garbage programming. Keep in mind with an omni character there's
no 'testing' or 'free will.' Of course, it doesn't exist nor does its
torture chamber.
You ever been to a Catholic wedding? >8-)
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Second Thoughts? |
02 Feb 2005 02:51:41 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:36c6i3F4u34veU1@individual.net...
stoney wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:47:35 -0800, "Guitar George" <a01a01@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This has probably been discussed before on alt.atheism, but I haven't
seen this lately. As a recovering Catholic and later born again
protestant, I pride myself on my maturity and rationality in rejecting
the absurd doctrines I was brainwashed with most of my life, still does
anyone else wake up in the middle of night, wondering if there might
actually be a fiery hell awaiting all us non-believers? There is other
odd unexpected stuff in this universe, hell, it might be true that some
vengeful Jewish God made us all to test us and then killed his Son to
save us, crazier ***** has been shown to be true, (e.g. subatomic
particles that change they behavior when observed, etc.). Comments?
Guitar George
The conditioning is extremely malevolent. It takes time to eliminate
the garbage programming. Keep in mind with an omni character there's
no 'testing' or 'free will.' Of course, it doesn't exist nor does its
torture chamber.
You ever been to a Catholic wedding? >8-)
Hey! I had a Catholic wedding :)
I was actually at a Catholic funeral this past Saturday. Can you believe
the priest actually said that he hoped the deceased had remembered the
church in her will? As my ex-Catholic husband always says "the Catholic
church is all about money" :P
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Second Thoughts? |
03 Feb 2005 02:59:36 AM |
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:51:41 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said in alt.atheism:
I was actually at a Catholic funeral this past Saturday. Can you believe
the priest actually said that he hoped the deceased had remembered the
church in her will? As my ex-Catholic husband always says "the Catholic
church is all about money" :P
And you expected it to be all about?
Religion?
--
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is
a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the
crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due
to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious
indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility
corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of
nature and of our own being."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, from article by
Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Second Thoughts? |
03 Feb 2005 12:25:50 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:ur4301968ad0nr93m9n4r0g3e5op03hmog@4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:51:41 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said in alt.atheism:
I was actually at a Catholic funeral this past Saturday. Can you believe
the priest actually said that he hoped the deceased had remembered the
church in her will? As my ex-Catholic husband always says "the Catholic
church is all about money" :P
And you expected it to be all about?
Religion?
Well, that is what my Catholic SILs keep telling me ;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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