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Religions > Atheism |
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"Les Hemmings" |
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13 Nov 2005 10:34:03 PM |
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Secular Humanist? |
Always called myself an Atheist. Always convinced there is no god/ gods. But
just came across Secular humanism - a belief that humans are capable of
self-fulfilment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to supernaturalism.
Now I can see no difference.. hang on.. without recourse to
supernaturalism. That in itself doesn't mean there isn't a god/gods. Just
that a deity is not needed for self-fulfilment.
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction with
atheism.
Les (I know what I think, just need to convey it accurately... )
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Remove Frontal Lobes to reply.
http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/
http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/index.php?referral/22134/
"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger "
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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| User: "Anaconda wrestlers for Jesus" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
14 Nov 2005 01:31:33 AM |
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"Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> suddenly
spluttered:
That in itself doesn't mean there isn't a god/gods. Just
that a deity is not needed for self-fulfilment.
Quite. It does, however, kick away one of the crutches of theology,
making it more reasonable to be an atheist. Also, Secular Humanism
provides a formal framework for morality which comes in handy if you
are an atheist, though the organisational politics of a Secular
Humanist movement carry a real risk of making it resemble a religion.
There is, however, a need for organised secular humanism which is
directly proportional to the problem ( organised religion ), which is
quite arguably a clear and present threat to civilisation.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
13 Nov 2005 10:36:40 PM |
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"Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> wrote in
news:3tptacFtpdjhU1@individual.net:
Always called myself an Atheist. Always convinced there is no god/
gods. But just came across Secular humanism - a belief that humans are
capable of self-fulfilment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to
supernaturalism.
Now I can see no difference.. hang on.. without recourse to
supernaturalism. That in itself doesn't mean there isn't a god/gods.
Just that a deity is not needed for self-fulfilment.
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction
with
atheism.
Les (I know what I think, just need to convey it accurately... )
I think they are complementary, not identical. One can be both, neither,
one or the other. Being both seems a nice fit for me.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
-- Annie Dillard, 'Pilgrim at Tinker Creek'
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| User: "Les Hemmings" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
13 Nov 2005 10:40:52 PM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns970D94A704AAA255229@130.133.1.4...
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction
with
atheism.
Les (I know what I think, just need to convey it accurately... )
I think they are complementary, not identical. One can be both, neither,
one or the other. Being both seems a nice fit for me.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
I was thinking along the same line. Although I think I like the finality
of atheism up front...
What's with the AA#? Partner says it's an atheist number.. where do I sign
up?
Les
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
13 Nov 2005 10:56:42 PM |
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Les Hemmings wrote:
"Enkidu the Atheist" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns970D94A704AAA255229@130.133.1.4...
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction
with
atheism.
Les (I know what I think, just need to convey it accurately... )
I think they are complementary, not identical. One can be both, neither,
one or the other. Being both seems a nice fit for me.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
I was thinking along the same line. Although I think I like the finality
of atheism up front...
Atheism isn't necessarily final.....there are different flavors of
atheist, some believe that there is not god, others better fit the true
definition of the word and merely do not believe in god(s). Think
about the difference.
Oh...welcome!
Jim
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
13 Nov 2005 10:46:55 PM |
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Op Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:40:52 +0100 schreef Les Hemmings
<les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net>:
"Enkidu the Atheist" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns970D94A704AAA255229@130.133.1.4...
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction
with
atheism.
Les (I know what I think, just need to convey it accurately... )
I think they are complementary, not identical. One can be both,
neither,
one or the other. Being both seems a nice fit for me.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
I was thinking along the same line. Although I think I like the
finality
of atheism up front...
What's with the AA#? Partner says it's an atheist number.. where do I
sign
up?
Les
Mail Michelle Malkin and have her sign you up.
--
Hannele
aa #2221
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| User: "Les Hemmings" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
13 Nov 2005 10:53:09 PM |
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"Hannele Huigens" <Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote in message
news:op.sz7awhbkvjeuhq@laptophannele...
What's with the AA#? Partner says it's an atheist number.. where do I
sign
up?
Les
Mail Michelle Malkin and have her sign you up.
--
Hannele
aa #2221
Have done so Hannele.. thank you :o)
Les
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
13 Nov 2005 11:11:34 PM |
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Op Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:53:09 +0100 schreef Les Hemmings
<les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net>:
"Hannele Huigens" <Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote in message
news:op.sz7awhbkvjeuhq@laptophannele...
What's with the AA#? Partner says it's an atheist number.. where do I
sign
up?
Les
Mail Michelle Malkin and have her sign you up.
--
Hannele
aa #2221
Have done so Hannele.. thank you :o)
Les
It was a pleasure: the more the merrier, after all. :-)
--
Hannele
aa #2221
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
14 Nov 2005 02:36:52 PM |
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Les Hemmings wrote:
Always called myself an Atheist. Always convinced there is no god/ gods. But
just came across Secular humanism - a belief that humans are capable of
self-fulfilment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to supernaturalism.
Now I can see no difference.. hang on.. without recourse to
supernaturalism. That in itself doesn't mean there isn't a god/gods. Just
that a deity is not needed for self-fulfilment.
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction with
atheism.
Atheism is ultimately a theological position. Humanism, secular and otherwise,
is an ethical philosophy wherein belief in supernatural entities is irrelevant.
If you are interested in learning more, I would direct you to my page on
Humanism: http://www.gregory-gadow.info/humanism/default.asp
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[W]e have never held that moral disapproval, without any other asserted
state interest, is a sufficient rationale under the Equal Protection
Clause to justify a law that discriminates among groups of persons."
- Sandra Day O`Conner, _Lawrence v Texas_
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=02-102
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
15 Nov 2005 01:53:03 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:34:03 -0000, "Les Hemmings"
<les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> wrote:
Always called myself an Atheist. Always convinced there is no god/ gods. But
just came across Secular humanism - a belief that humans are capable of
self-fulfilment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to supernaturalism.
Now I can see no difference.. hang on.. without recourse to
supernaturalism. That in itself doesn't mean there isn't a god/gods. Just
that a deity is not needed for self-fulfilment.
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction with
atheism.
Les (I know what I think, just need to convey it accurately... )
Isn't secular humanism more about a moral or ethical basis and atheism
is just whether or not you believe in dieties?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
15 Nov 2005 04:28:45 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:437c3f10.36298890@news-west.newscene.com...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:34:03 -0000, "Les Hemmings"
<les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> wrote:
Always called myself an Atheist. Always convinced there is no god/ gods.
But
just came across Secular humanism - a belief that humans are capable of
self-fulfilment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to
supernaturalism.
Now I can see no difference.. hang on.. without recourse to
supernaturalism. That in itself doesn't mean there isn't a god/gods. Just
that a deity is not needed for self-fulfilment.
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction with
atheism.
Les (I know what I think, just need to convey it accurately... )
Isn't secular humanism more about a moral or ethical basis and atheism
is just whether or not you believe in dieties?
Yup. Humanism is a philosophy and atheism is a lack
of belief in the existence of a god or gods. I've been
both an atheist and a secular humanist most of my life.
No gods need apply.
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| User: "Les Hemmings" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
15 Nov 2005 01:56:47 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:437c3f10.36298890@news-west.newscene.com...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:34:03 -0000, "Les Hemmings"
<les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> wrote:
Always called myself an Atheist. Always convinced there is no god/ gods.
But
just came across Secular humanism - a belief that humans are capable of
self-fulfilment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to
supernaturalism.
Now I can see no difference.. hang on.. without recourse to
supernaturalism. That in itself doesn't mean there isn't a god/gods. Just
that a deity is not needed for self-fulfilment.
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction with
atheism.
Les (I know what I think, just need to convey it accurately... )
Isn't secular humanism more about a moral or ethical basis and atheism
is just whether or not you believe in dieties?
I think you nailed it Kate. I'll hold on dearly to the latter and leave
SH to others. As I choose my own moral standards and need no framework but
my own.
Les
--
Remove Frontal Lobes to reply.
http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/
http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/index.php?referral/22134/
"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger "
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Secular Humanist? |
14 Nov 2005 12:37:11 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Les Hemmings
(les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
Always called myself an Atheist. Always convinced there is no god/
gods. But just came across Secular humanism - a belief that humans are
capable of self-fulfilment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to
supernaturalism.
Now I can see no difference.. hang on.. without recourse to
supernaturalism. That in itself doesn't mean there isn't a god/gods.
Just that a deity is not needed for self-fulfilment.
Does anyone here use humanist or secular humanist in conjunction
with
atheism.
That is like saying "I'm African American" instead of "black". I call a
spade a spade (segue not intended) and an atheist an atheist.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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