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"J Young" |
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21 Nov 2005 08:02:48 PM |
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Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope |
Humanity would be better served if everyone heeded the word of Pope Benedict
XVI.
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=80353
Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope
Particularly in Field of Medical Science, Pontiff Notes
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 21, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Attentive people no longer find
satisfactory answers in secularism as they try to grapple with the new
ethical and spiritual questions posed by the life sciences, says Benedict
XVI.
The Pope made this comment Saturday when addressing the participants in the
20th international conference organized by the Pontifical Council for Health
Care Workers, on the topic "The Human Genome." The three-day conference at
the Vatican ended Saturday.
In his address to scientists, doctors, philosophers and theologians, the
Holy Father acknowledged that the new contributions of medical science offer
the Church today "a further possibility to develop a precious work of
illumination of consciences."
"Today's world is marked by the process of secularization that, through
complex cultural and social vicissitudes, not only has claimed a just
autonomy of science and social organization, but often has canceled the bond
of temporal realities with their Creator," the Pope said.
Thus, the point has even been reached of "neglecting to safeguard the
transcendent dignity of the human being and respect for his very life,"
continued the Bishop of Rome. "Today, however, secularization, in the form
of radical secularism, does not satisfy the more conscious and attentive
spirits."
This means that "possible and perhaps new spaces are opening for a fruitful
dialogue with society and not just with the faithful, especially on
important topics, such as those that affect life," he added.
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope |
22 Nov 2005 06:38:11 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope
Then he's never heard of this lot:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/generalprinciples.html
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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22 Nov 2005 06:48:20 AM |
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"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org>
suddenly spluttered:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope
Then he's never heard of this lot:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/generalprinciples.html
.... or these:
http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope |
22 Nov 2005 06:51:41 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:48:20 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote:
"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org>
suddenly spluttered:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope
Then he's never heard of this lot:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/generalprinciples.html
... or these:
http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/
People like the Pope (and other religious leaders) can't grasp that
religion has no real world answers. Just the pretence that their
metaphysical questions apply in the real world - which can only be
answered by their metaphysics. Which wouldn't matter if they kept it
inside their religions - but they arrogantly lecture everybody about
it.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope |
22 Nov 2005 08:24:57 AM |
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In <7746o1p3rbm20pdok5uqnssmdi11jod15j@4ax.com>, "<Yournamehere>'s
personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope
Then he's never heard of this lot:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/generalprinciples.html
Of course what's really funny is Pope Rat doesn't have *any answers...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"...it may be that they may have written us off."
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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22 Nov 2005 06:45:46 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:38:11 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope
Then he's never heard of this lot:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/generalprinciples.html
I don't really like the Secular Society calling it an -ism, because it
isn't.
It opens the door for idiots like the Pope and Young who are out of
touch with reality to think it's an ideology that somehow competes
with theirs.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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21 Nov 2005 09:09:32 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Thus, the point has even been reached of "neglecting to safeguard the
transcendent dignity of the human being and respect for his very life,"
continued the Bishop of Rome.
The Pope's vast disappointment with science for not running up
against god-mandated walls past which it shall not go is only the result
of the vastly overinflated promises made by his forebears.
Elf
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Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.drizzle.com/~elf
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "Jerry Patterson" |
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26 Nov 2005 05:04:35 PM |
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On 21 Nov 2005 19:09:32 -0800, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Thus, the point has even been reached of "neglecting to safeguard the
transcendent dignity of the human being and respect for his very life,"
continued the Bishop of Rome.
The Pope's vast disappointment with science for not running up
against god-mandated walls past which it shall not go is only the result
of the vastly overinflated promises made by his forebears.
Elf
JP
I am not sure what you mean. If you mean that a physical science
should not make claims about God, then I think the Pope is right. A
physical science is able to deal only with that which can be measured.
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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29 Nov 2005 11:47:22 AM |
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Jerry Patterson <jerry@dslextreme.com> writes:
On 21 Nov 2005 19:09:32 -0800, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
The Pope's vast disappointment with science for not running up
against god-mandated walls past which it shall not go is only the result
of the vastly overinflated promises made by his forebears.
I am not sure what you mean. If you mean that a physical science
should not make claims about God, then I think the Pope is right. A
physical science is able to deal only with that which can be measured.
What I mean is that the Pope, like so many other fundamentalist
Christians of all flavors, continues to express disappointment that
science has not run up against problems so intractable that scientists
have been willing to throw up their hands and say, "God did it."
Various Christian denominations continue to fret about the slow but
inexorable progress biologists have made in understanding how genetics
gives rise to the human condition, and they wring their hands at how
neurobiology and neurophysiology are slowly giving us control over that
condition, putting our own hands on the dials and switches that are
ourselves.
By doing so, research relegates to the dustbin such notions as
the enforced "dignity" of the disabled and the inherent "sinfulness" of
man.
Christians *require* that the world be a tragedy and that humans
be self-destructive inflicters of their own agonies: otherwise, there
would be nothing to which Christianity stands in supposed opposition.
This is why there's such strong opposition to the papilloma vaccine: if
one of the deadlier STDs is made irrelevant, who's to say that all such
diseases won't be irrelevant to mankind's pleasure someday. If sex is
no longer scary, if it no longer has such risks, then Christianity will
have no hope at all of frightening people into celibacy and monogamy.
If life ceases to be nasty, brutish, and short the promise of an
afterlife ceases to hold interest.
Elf
--
Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.drizzle.com/~elf
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "Jerry Patterson" |
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| Title: Re: Secularism Doesn't Have All the Answers, Says Pope |
01 Dec 2005 07:17:19 PM |
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On 29 Nov 2005 09:47:22 -0800, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
Jerry Patterson <jerry@dslextreme.com> writes:
On 21 Nov 2005 19:09:32 -0800, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
The Pope's vast disappointment with science for not running up
against god-mandated walls past which it shall not go is only the result
of the vastly overinflated promises made by his forebears.
I am not sure what you mean. If you mean that a physical science
should not make claims about God, then I think the Pope is right. A
physical science is able to deal only with that which can be measured.
What I mean is that the Pope, like so many other fundamentalist
Christians of all flavors, continues to express disappointment that
science has not run up against problems so intractable that scientists
have been willing to throw up their hands and say, "God did it."
Various Christian denominations continue to fret about the slow but
inexorable progress biologists have made in understanding how genetics
gives rise to the human condition, and they wring their hands at how
neurobiology and neurophysiology are slowly giving us control over that
condition, putting our own hands on the dials and switches that are
ourselves.
JP
I am familiar with Papal pronouncements, but I am not familiar with
anything even remotely resembling what you wrote about any Pope.
By doing so, research relegates to the dustbin such notions as
the enforced "dignity" of the disabled and the inherent "sinfulness" of
man.
Christians *require* that the world be a tragedy and that humans
be self-destructive inflicters of their own agonies: otherwise, there
would be nothing to which Christianity stands in supposed opposition.
This is why there's such strong opposition to the papilloma vaccine: if
one of the deadlier STDs is made irrelevant, who's to say that all such
diseases won't be irrelevant to mankind's pleasure someday. If sex is
no longer scary, if it no longer has such risks, then Christianity will
have no hope at all of frightening people into celibacy and monogamy.
If life ceases to be nasty, brutish, and short the promise of an
afterlife ceases to hold interest.
Elf
JP
Wow! Where do you get your information??? I am a Christian and am
unfamiliar with what you assert. Try the Catechism of the Catholic
Church for accurate information.
You write as if you are an atheist. Are you?
Do you believe there is an immaterial reality?
.. . .
Be in peace.
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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28 Nov 2005 08:22:56 PM |
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Jerry Patterson wrote:
On 21 Nov 2005 19:09:32 -0800, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Thus, the point has even been reached of "neglecting to safeguard the
transcendent dignity of the human being and respect for his very life,"
continued the Bishop of Rome.
The Pope's vast disappointment with science for not running up
against god-mandated walls past which it shall not go is only the result
of the vastly overinflated promises made by his forebears.
Elf
JP
I am not sure what you mean. If you mean that a physical science
should not make claims about God, then I think the Pope is right. A
physical science is able to deal only with that which can be measured.
. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
But can any study deal with that which cannot be measured? Is religion
a means of cognizing anything?
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Jerry Patterson" |
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01 Dec 2005 07:17:17 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:22:56 GMT, Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Jerry Patterson wrote:
On 21 Nov 2005 19:09:32 -0800, "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com>
wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Thus, the point has even been reached of "neglecting to safeguard the
transcendent dignity of the human being and respect for his very life,"
continued the Bishop of Rome.
The Pope's vast disappointment with science for not running up
against god-mandated walls past which it shall not go is only the result
of the vastly overinflated promises made by his forebears.
Elf
JP
I am not sure what you mean. If you mean that a physical science
should not make claims about God, then I think the Pope is right. A
physical science is able to deal only with that which can be measured.
. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
But can any study deal with that which cannot be measured? Is religion
a means of cognizing anything?
Colin Day aa #1500
JP
Yes, as a matter-of-fact that is one objective of the science of
philosophy, particularly, classical metaphysics.
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Your abstractions cannot be measured! That does not mean they are not
real.
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "Tyrone Robinson" |
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01 Dec 2005 07:39:52 PM |
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"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
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| User: "Jerry Patterson" |
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02 Dec 2005 07:56:18 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
Additionally, I will present one failure of atheism that we can
discuss.
I trust each of us will present the topic with emotionless phrases so
we can proceed on a rational basis.
.. . .
Be in peace.
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "Tyrone Robinson" |
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02 Dec 2005 10:46:26 AM |
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"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
Additionally, I will present one failure of atheism that we can
discuss.
Why? I'm not an atheist.
I trust each of us will present the topic with emotionless phrases so
we can proceed on a rational basis.
. . .
Be in peace.
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "Jerry Patterson" |
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02 Dec 2005 07:22:10 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts. The question here has to do with failure of
biblical scholarship! Are you able to respond to the question?
Additionally, I will present one failure of atheism that we can
discuss.
Why? I'm not an atheist.
JP
Well, then, what are you?
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "Tyrone Robinson" |
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02 Dec 2005 07:46:37 PM |
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"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God
forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts.
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. You're a loser!
The question here has to do with failure of
biblical scholarship! Are you able to respond to the question?
Additionally, I will present one failure of atheism that we can
discuss.
Why? I'm not an atheist.
JP
Well, then, what are you?
. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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03 Dec 2005 03:54:51 AM |
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In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God
forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts.
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
remove _ from e-mail adr
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| User: "Jerry Patterson" |
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04 Dec 2005 06:29:04 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God
forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts.
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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05 Dec 2005 12:07:23 AM |
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In article <6a27p1teag1l0bb9n4tcaoctmmrppfg0tq@4ax.com>, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God
forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts.
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by
sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
. . .
€€ Jerry plays on Ad Hominem Card.
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"€€R.L.Measures" <> wrote in message
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In article <6a27p1teag1l0bb9n4tcaoctmmrppfg0tq@4ax.com>, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God
forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts.
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by
sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
. . .
€€ Jerry plays on Ad Hominem Card.
He's not playing with a full deck.
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05 Dec 2005 11:39:26 AM |
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In article <L8idnbEiEdqk7AnenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"€€R.L.Measures" < > wrote in message
news:r_-0412052207230001@192.168.1.101...
In article <6a27p1teag1l0bb9n4tcaoctmmrppfg0tq@4ax.com>, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the
Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God
forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts.
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by
sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
. . .
€€ Jerry plays on Ad Hominem Card.
He's not playing with a full deck.
** that explains it. thanx
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09 Dec 2005 01:58:00 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:39:26 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <L8idnbEiEdqk7AnenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"€€R.L.Measures" < > wrote in message
news:r_-0412052207230001@192.168.1.101...
In article <6a27p1teag1l0bb9n4tcaoctmmrppfg0tq@4ax.com>, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the
Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God
forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts.
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by
sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
. . .
€€ Jerry plays on Ad Hominem Card.
He's not playing with a full deck.
** that explains it. thanx
JP
Some are unable to identify the self-evident. That is not an attack;
that is reality!
Talking critically about another in the other's presence is ill
mannered. That is a matter of accepted civility and is not is not open
to conditional alterations.
Jerry
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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09 Dec 2005 02:47:25 PM |
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In article <cimjp150eqmi8lmgejvci30l0fioou0a43@4ax.com>, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:39:26 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <L8idnbEiEdqk7AnenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"€€R.L.Measures" < > wrote in message
news:r_-0412052207230001@192.168.1.101...
In article <6a27p1teag1l0bb9n4tcaoctmmrppfg0tq@4ax.com>, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
...
He's not playing with a full deck.
** that explains it. thanx
JP
Some are unable to identify the self-evident. That is not an attack;
that is reality!
Talking critically about another in the other's presence is ill
mannered. That is a matter of accepted civility and is not is not open
to conditional alterations.
Jerry
. . .
** ____
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09 Dec 2005 01:57:58 PM |
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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:56:28 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"€€R.L.Measures" < > wrote in message
news:r_-0412052207230001@192.168.1.101...
In article <6a27p1teag1l0bb9n4tcaoctmmrppfg0tq@4ax.com>, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:5pj0p1d2leupoht9ovt8cqocfjcavap0gt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:39:52 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
Religion? For that you must study the works of the biblical scholars.
Their documentation is solid.
Yeah right, read the works of the RC cult of lies rather than the Bible.
JP
I am encouraged by your interest. For a starter, please detail _one_
failure of biblical scholarship that we can discuss.
The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God
forbids
such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
JP
That is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do
with biblical texts.
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by
sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
. . .
€€ Jerry plays on Ad Hominem Card.
He's not playing with a full deck.
JP
Some are unable to identify the self-evident. That is not an attack;
that is reality!
Talking critically about another in the other's presence is ill
mannered. That is a matter of accepted civility and is not is not open
to conditional alterations.
Jerry
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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05 Dec 2005 02:23:09 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:29:04 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
snip
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
What was uncivil about the post? An objective fact was stated. The
mass is a ritual blood sacrifice and a consumption of the victim.
According to Catholic doctrine real flesh and blood are being
consumed. So, once again, what is uncivil about mentioning it?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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09 Dec 2005 01:58:01 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:23:09 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:29:04 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
snip
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
What was uncivil about the post? An objective fact was stated. The
mass is a ritual blood sacrifice and a consumption of the victim.
According to Catholic doctrine real flesh and blood are being
consumed. So, once again, what is uncivil about mentioning it?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
JP
Read the two sentences above my reply. Catholic ritual is Satanic???
You are unable to recognize that as uncivil. To be otherwise requires
proof.
If you would read the Catechism of The Catholic Church, your knowledge
would include the recognition of the utter error and insulting nature
of the words used.
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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09 Dec 2005 03:07:28 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:58:01 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:23:09 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:29:04 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
snip
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
What was uncivil about the post? An objective fact was stated. The
mass is a ritual blood sacrifice and a consumption of the victim.
According to Catholic doctrine real flesh and blood are being
consumed. So, once again, what is uncivil about mentioning it?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
JP
Read the two sentences above my reply. Catholic ritual is Satanic???
You are unable to recognize that as uncivil. To be otherwise requires
proof.
It was said that ritualistic cannibalistic sacrifice was not
exclusively Satanic. It did not say Catholic ritual was Satanic.
Perhaps you misread it.
If you would read the Catechism of The Catholic Church, your knowledge
would include the recognition of the utter error and insulting nature
of the words used.
I have read the Catechism many, many times. It is no error to say
that the mass is a ritual blood sacrifice. It is not uncivil to point
out that fact, and it is a fact perfectly in keeping with the
teachings of the Church. The Church says that, in the mass, the flesh
and blood of Jesus are consumed, so in what way is that not a blood
sacrifice and ritual cannibalism?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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11 Dec 2005 04:21:14 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:07:28 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:58:01 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:23:09 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:29:04 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
snip
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
What was uncivil about the post? An objective fact was stated. The
mass is a ritual blood sacrifice and a consumption of the victim.
According to Catholic doctrine real flesh and blood are being
consumed. So, once again, what is uncivil about mentioning it?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
JP
Read the two sentences above my reply. Catholic ritual is Satanic???
You are unable to recognize that as uncivil. To be otherwise requires
proof.
It was said that ritualistic cannibalistic sacrifice was not
exclusively Satanic. It did not say Catholic ritual was Satanic.
Perhaps you misread it.
JP
Oh? Then for what purpose did you change the subject?
If you would read the Catechism of The Catholic Church, your knowledge
would include the recognition of the utter error and insulting nature
of the words used.
I have read the Catechism many, many times. It is no error to say
that the mass is a ritual blood sacrifice. It is not uncivil to point
out that fact, and it is a fact perfectly in keeping with the
teachings of the Church. The Church says that, in the mass, the flesh
and blood of Jesus are consumed, so in what way is that not a blood
sacrifice and ritual cannibalism?
JP
Since you claim to know the teaching of the Church, and still insist
the teaching of the Mass is cannibalistic, you must now explicitly
show why the Church's teaching is in error! Of course, if you decline
to do so, all will recognize your assertion to be of quackery.
.. . .
Be in peace.
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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12 Dec 2005 02:14:09 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:21:14 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:07:28 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:58:01 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:23:09 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:29:04 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:6bs1p1tvbkagau2b4o5l06r9omher90mcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
snip
Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
What was uncivil about the post? An objective fact was stated. The
mass is a ritual blood sacrifice and a consumption of the victim.
According to Catholic doctrine real flesh and blood are being
consumed. So, once again, what is uncivil about mentioning it?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
JP
Read the two sentences above my reply. Catholic ritual is Satanic???
You are unable to recognize that as uncivil. To be otherwise requires
proof.
It was said that ritualistic cannibalistic sacrifice was not
exclusively Satanic. It did not say Catholic ritual was Satanic.
Perhaps you misread it.
JP
Oh? Then for what purpose did you change the subject?
I truly have no idea what you are talking about. I did not change any
subject. I responded to what you wrote.
If you would read the Catechism of The Catholic Church, your knowledge
would include the recognition of the utter error and insulting nature
of the words used.
I have read the Catechism many, many times. It is no error to say
that the mass is a ritual blood sacrifice. It is not uncivil to point
out that fact, and it is a fact perfectly in keeping with the
teachings of the Church. The Church says that, in the mass, the flesh
and blood of Jesus are consumed, so in what way is that not a blood
sacrifice and ritual cannibalism?
JP
Since you claim to know the teaching of the Church, and still insist
the teaching of the Mass is cannibalistic,
Since you imply that it is not ritual cannibalism, please explain why
the ritual consumption of human flesh and blood is not ritual
cannibalism.
you must now explicitly
show why the Church's teaching is in error!
I accurately described the teaching of the Church. The teaching can
be found in the Catholic Catechism. The Eucharist is, according to
that teaching, the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ, and the
Church teaches that those who consume the host consume the body and
blood of Jesus Christ.
Of course, if you decline
to do so, all will recognize your assertion to be of quackery.
I do not understand why you insist that a standard doctrine of your
Church is quackery, but I do agree with you.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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23 Dec 2005 01:28:17 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:14:09 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:21:14 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:07:28 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:58:01 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:23:09 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:29:04 -0800, Jerry Patterson
<jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0800, (€€R.L.Measures)
wrote:
In article <zoqdncByyvKdZA3eRVn-rQ@rcn.net>, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
"Jerry Patterson" <jerry@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:46:26 -0500, "Tyrone Robinson"
<tyrone@tyrone.com> wrote:
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Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
*** Ritual cannibalistic sacrifice is not exclusively Satanic.
JP
You too have an emotional disorder which embargoes your intellect?
Well, when you recover your stability and are able to dialogue with
civility perhaps we will be able to have another discussion.
What was uncivil about the post? An objective fact was stated. The
mass is a ritual blood sacrifice and a consumption of the victim.
According to Catholic doctrine real flesh and blood are being
consumed. So, once again, what is uncivil about mentioning it?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
JP
Read the two sentences above my reply. Catholic ritual is Satanic???
You are unable to recognize that as uncivil. To be otherwise requires
proof.
It was said that ritualistic cannibalistic sacrifice was not
exclusively Satanic. It did not say Catholic ritual was Satanic.
Perhaps you misread it.
JP
Oh? Then for what purpose did you change the subject?
I truly have no idea what you are talking about. I did not change any
subject. I responded to what you wrote.
JP
I will cut and paste immediately below:
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Neither does anything else of the RCC have to do with biblical texts. Your
screwed up cult perverts the Bible and damns millions and millions by sucking
them in to your satanic rituals and beliefs. ...
**************
You see, you did write that Catholic liturgies are Satanic. You
changed the subject when you claimed that you did not say that such
was the case.
If you would read the Catechism of The Catholic Church, your knowledge
would include the recognition of the utter error and insulting nature
of the words used.
I have read the Catechism many, many times. It is no error to say
that the mass is a ritual blood sacrifice. It is not uncivil to point
out that fact, and it is a fact perfectly in keeping with the
teachings of the Church. The Church says that, in the mass, the flesh
and blood of Jesus are consumed, so in what way is that not a blood
sacrifice and ritual cannibalism?
JP
Since you claim to know the teaching of the Church, and still insist
the teaching of the Mass is cannibalistic,
Since you imply that it is not ritual cannibalism, please explain why
the ritual consumption of human flesh and blood is not ritual
cannibalism.
JP
See, you did it again! If you the truth of what you criticize, you
would know what is meant by a sacrament and so would never, never,
assert, even in the most remote sense, that it is cannibalistic. That
is like insisting that water is dry!
you must now explicitly
show why the Church's teaching is in error!
I accurately described the teaching of the Church. The teaching can
be found in the Catholic Catechism. The Eucharist is, according to
that teaching, the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ, and the
Church teaches that those who consume the host consume the body and
blood of Jesus Christ.
JP
You have a superficial knowledge of what is the Eucharist. The
Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ under the appearance of
bread and wine. That means it is of the substance of Christ.
The Merriam-WebsterThird International Dictionary, Unabridged,
provides the following first definition of cannibalism:
"1 : the eating of human flesh by a human being seldom done for
nutritional purposes but among cannibals done in conjunction with
religious or sacramental rites and usually including the eating of
certain organs believed to be the seat of desired virtues or powers".
The other elements don't apply too. A Sacrament is _never_ of the
material.
I hope you now understand that the sense(s) of bread and wine cannot
be cannibalistic! The Eucharist is a "Sacrament," the is, the "S" is
capitalized. .
Of course, if you decline
to do so, all will recognize your assertion to be of quackery.
I do not understand why you insist that a standard doctrine of your
Church is quackery, but I do agree with you.
JP
Your assertion, not the practice of the Church, is quackery!
If you wish to criticize the Church with even a modicum of
credibility, then learn what the Church teaches - get The Catechism of
the Catholic Church.
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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