Religions > Atheism > Secularists Do Not Want To Defend West, But To Suppress All Religions, Particularly Christianity
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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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24 Aug 2006 10:21:56 AM |
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Secularists Do Not Want To Defend West, But To Suppress All Religions, Particularly Christianity |
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004855.html
Hirsi Ali is not just anti-Muslim, she's anti-Christian
Paul Belien at The Brussels Journal is a kindred spirit to VFR, noting
with some bemusement that Hirsi Ali, the Somalian immigrant, Dutch
Parliamentarian, and crusader for women's and homosexual rights, has
been named European of the Year by the Reader's Digest. While Belien
respects Ali for her advocacy of reforming Islam and her courage in the
face of continual death threats from Muslims in the Netherlands, he
draws a line when she attacks religion in general. Like me, Belien
understands that many Western secularists see the fight against Islam
as an opportunity to advance their own agenda, which is not just to
protect Western society from Muslim oppression, but to suppress all
religions, particularly Christianity. This is something Belien won't
stand for, even if the person doing it is a brave individual like Hirsi
Ali (and even if Ali's main focus remains combatting Islam, not
combatting Christianity).
It would be hard to sum up Belien's points so I'll provide extended
quotes from his article instead.
Last September a Dutch court prohibited the Dutch government from
subsidizing the Reformed Political Party (SGP), a small so-called
"fundamentalist" Christian party, opposed to abortion, euthanasia,
gay marriage and trio-marriages. While the Dutch state subsidizes all
other political parties, the courts have ruled that the SGP should be
deprived of government subsidies because it is said to violate
women's rights by not putting forward women candidates for elections.
The Dutch government decided to appeal the verdict, but Hirsi Ali, as
we reported at the time, applauded it, saying that any political party
discriminating against women or homosexuals should be deprived of
funding and, hence, effectively banned. Are these "the values of
tolerance and justice" that Reader's Digest wants "a young woman
born outside Europe" to "show Europeans"?...
But the question must be asked whether, by fighting religion in general
through state imposed "measures," she and other liberal European
secularist religion-haters, are not undermining Europe's capacity to
counter Muslim extremism from a healthy Christian foundation.
"She believes that she can help change the lives of Muslim women and,
ultimately, the climate that breeds extremism," RD writes. It is,
however, the religious vacuum created by the secularist iconoclasts of
Europe's Christian civilisation, that provides the breeding ground
for Muslim radicals. Europe has almost ceased to be Christian. Perhaps,
as an inevitable consequence of this, Europe will become Muslim because
a religious vacuum will inevitably be filled by a religion - no
matter how hard secularists like Hirsi Ali may try to prevent it.
We always thought RD was a conservative publication, in line with the
values of the Christian American heartland. Apparently, we were
wrong....
Two observationns about the above. First, the very presence of Muslims
in a Western society inevitably necessitates restrictions on Islam,
because Islam is so dangerous, but this leads to attempts to secularize
the entire society, and thus to restrict Christianity as well as Islam.
The power of the secularizing dynamic that arises in response to the
large-scale presence of Muslims in any given society is shown by the
fact that a secularizer like Ali is being endorsed by the
once-conservative Reader's Digest, proving again my point that under
Bush and post 9/11, conservatism has shifted massively to the left.
There are only two ways to avoid the further radical secularizing of
society: either not to have any Muslims in the West, period, or to
classify Islam as a political expansionist movement seeking power over
society, and therefore not deserving of ordinary religious freedoms.
I also note a disturbing fact that Belien mentions in passing, that in
Netherlands political parties are subsidized by the state, and are
either approved or rejected for funding based on their beliefs. Nothing
could better illustrate Europe's profound political differences from
the United States. A country in which political parties are creatures
of the state is not a free country; its people must have at least
partially a slave mentality.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Secularists Do Not Want To Defend West, But To Suppress All Religions, Particularly Christianity |
24 Aug 2006 10:29:22 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004855.html
Hirsi Ali is not just anti-Muslim, she's anti-Christian
Good for her. Your point?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Secularists Do Not Want To Defend West, But To Suppress All Religions, Particularly Christianity |
24 Aug 2006 11:46:05 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1156432916.543595.164180@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004855.html
Hirsi Ali is not just anti-Muslim, she's anti-Christian
Good for her. Your point?
"Help, help, I'm being repressed!"
PDW
http://www.geocities.com/incognito_press
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Secularists Do Not Want To Defend West, But To Suppress AllReligions, Particularly Christianity |
24 Aug 2006 12:49:05 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1156432916.543595.164180@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004855.html
Hirsi Ali is not just anti-Muslim, she's anti-Christian
Good for her. Your point?
His "point" is to whine, "I can't supress people because of their
religion; therefore you are supressing me because of my religion!!"
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
Help defend marriage in Washington state!
http://www.wa-doma.org
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Secularists Do Not Want To Defend West, But To Suppress All Religions, Particularly Christianity |
25 Aug 2006 09:14:55 PM |
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On 24 Aug 2006 08:21:56 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
Hirsi Ali is not just anti-Muslim, she's anti-Christian
But Hirsi Ali *does* want to defend the west.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "* US *" |
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| Title: Re: Secularists Do Not Want To Defend West, But To Suppress All Religions, Particularly Christianity |
26 Aug 2006 09:27:17 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:14:55 +1000, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
On 24 Aug 2006 08:21:56 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
Hirsi Ali is not just anti-Muslim, she's anti-Christian
But Hirsi Ali *does* want to defend the west.
She was okay in "Cheers", too.
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