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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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18 Oct 2003 12:53:59 PM |
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See the Democrat's Plame ad |
http://tinyurl.com/rf78
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"The concept of military necessity is seductively broad, and
has a dangerous plasticity. Because they invariably have the
visage of overriding importance, there is always a temptation
to invoke security "necessities" to justify an encroachment
upon civil liberties. For that reason, the military-security
argument must be approached with a healthy skepticism."
--Justice William Brennan
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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| Title: Re: See the Democrat's Plame ad |
21 Oct 2003 03:28:49 PM |
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jwk wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message news:<3F9433A7.FD13E47E@backpacker.com>...
jwk wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message news:<3F93674F.CAF51E10@backpacker.com>...
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:23:57 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
z wrote:
Overlooked in this debate is how hot the rest of operatives in the field are
feeling. They know their protective cover can be blown by the White House
any time when it suits them, that the Bush administration doesn't care *****
about them.
How do you think that the Republicans whose FBI files were illegally
sitting in the Clinton White House felt?
A known agent's files sitting in the White House doesn't endanger
anyone's life.
What was it something like 900 FBI files on people of the opposite
party? Don't you think that was wrong?
Why is it every time Bush commits a crime Republicans say something
like "OK, but it isn't as bad as what Clinton did that time..."? You
don't get a free pass on a crime you committed if you can demonstrate
someone else committed a bigger one. Can that concept penetrate your
thick head?
There is no evidence that Bush committed any crime. It can be shown that
Plame was outed back in 1994.
Sorry, but claiming that someone else gave up the secret first is not
a valid defense in national security matters.
If you want to argue that, fine, but that means that the five months of
Democrats re-outing Plame, until finally major papers and the world paid
attention to what had been a single isolated and pretty much forgotten
story, is also something that should be investigated. And who was the
main man behind the relentless post Novak outing of Plame? Her husband.
Jean Kirkpatrick gave
up some secrets once, but years later people with clearances were
still admonished not to talk about them. Bush (or whichever of his
staff) released information that was classified. It is entirely
besides the point if that information had been illegally released
previously.
Not only was she outed pre-1994 by Aldrich Ames but according to the New
York Times and others, the inside the beltway types had been talking
about who she was before Novak published anything. Her movement up the
power ladder in Washington DC and her husband's wild and public
behaviour brought attention on Plame. Novak even says that he thought it
was important to point out why CIA would choose Mr Wilson, a man with no
known ties to CIA, for such an important operation.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: See the Democrat's Plame ad |
20 Oct 2003 08:59:32 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:12:39 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
There is no evidence that Bush committed any crime. It can be shown that
Plame was outed back in 1994.
Outing an undercover operative is a felony. It happened in Bush's
White House. I just posted evidence that Bush is legally responsible
for a crime that was committed.
Go back to your play pen, Bill, you're in WAY over your head.
--
"Creationists are the best evidence we have that there is no intelligent design."
-Josef Balluch
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: See the Democrat's Plame ad |
20 Oct 2003 02:01:45 PM |
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jwk wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message news:<3F93674F.CAF51E10@backpacker.com>...
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:23:57 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
z wrote:
Overlooked in this debate is how hot the rest of operatives in the field are
feeling. They know their protective cover can be blown by the White House
any time when it suits them, that the Bush administration doesn't care *****
about them.
How do you think that the Republicans whose FBI files were illegally
sitting in the Clinton White House felt?
A known agent's files sitting in the White House doesn't endanger
anyone's life.
What was it something like 900 FBI files on people of the opposite
party? Don't you think that was wrong?
Why is it every time Bush commits a crime Republicans say something
like "OK, but it isn't as bad as what Clinton did that time..."? You
don't get a free pass on a crime you committed if you can demonstrate
someone else committed a bigger one. Can that concept penetrate your
thick head?
It's the new "hypocrisy" standard. Anything is OK if you can accuse your
accuser of being a hypocrite.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: See the Democrat's Plame ad |
21 Oct 2003 07:55:58 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vp8c8o431g16f8@news.supernews.com>...
jwk wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message news:<3F93674F.CAF51E10@backpacker.com>...
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:23:57 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
z wrote:
Overlooked in this debate is how hot the rest of operatives in the field are
feeling. They know their protective cover can be blown by the White House
any time when it suits them, that the Bush administration doesn't care *****
about them.
How do you think that the Republicans whose FBI files were illegally
sitting in the Clinton White House felt?
A known agent's files sitting in the White House doesn't endanger
anyone's life.
What was it something like 900 FBI files on people of the opposite
party? Don't you think that was wrong?
Why is it every time Bush commits a crime Republicans say something
like "OK, but it isn't as bad as what Clinton did that time..."? You
don't get a free pass on a crime you committed if you can demonstrate
someone else committed a bigger one. Can that concept penetrate your
thick head?
It's the new "hypocrisy" standard. Anything is OK if you can accuse your
accuser of being a hypocrite.
Exactly. I apologise for any nasty things I said about you Fred. :)
I didn't think you would acknowledge this. (I know Bill won't.)
jwk
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: See the Democrat's Plame ad |
21 Oct 2003 10:11:04 AM |
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jwk wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vp8c8o431g16f8@news.supernews.com>...
jwk wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message news:<3F93674F.CAF51E10@backpacker.com>...
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:23:57 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
z wrote:
Overlooked in this debate is how hot the rest of operatives in the field are
feeling. They know their protective cover can be blown by the White House
any time when it suits them, that the Bush administration doesn't care *****
about them.
How do you think that the Republicans whose FBI files were illegally
sitting in the Clinton White House felt?
A known agent's files sitting in the White House doesn't endanger
anyone's life.
What was it something like 900 FBI files on people of the opposite
party? Don't you think that was wrong?
Why is it every time Bush commits a crime Republicans say something
like "OK, but it isn't as bad as what Clinton did that time..."? You
don't get a free pass on a crime you committed if you can demonstrate
someone else committed a bigger one. Can that concept penetrate your
thick head?
It's the new "hypocrisy" standard. Anything is OK if you can accuse your
accuser of being a hypocrite.
Exactly. I apologise for any nasty things I said about you Fred. :)
I didn't think you would acknowledge this. (I know Bill won't.)
I've been a realist longer than I've been a conservative. :-)
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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| Title: Re: See the Democrat's Plame ad |
20 Oct 2003 02:10:58 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
jwk wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message news:<3F93674F.CAF51E10@backpacker.com>...
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:23:57 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
z wrote:
Overlooked in this debate is how hot the rest of operatives in the field are
feeling. They know their protective cover can be blown by the White House
any time when it suits them, that the Bush administration doesn't care *****
about them.
How do you think that the Republicans whose FBI files were illegally
sitting in the Clinton White House felt?
A known agent's files sitting in the White House doesn't endanger
anyone's life.
What was it something like 900 FBI files on people of the opposite
party? Don't you think that was wrong?
Why is it every time Bush commits a crime Republicans say something
like "OK, but it isn't as bad as what Clinton did that time..."? You
don't get a free pass on a crime you committed if you can demonstrate
someone else committed a bigger one. Can that concept penetrate your
thick head?
It's the new "hypocrisy" standard. Anything is OK if you can accuse your
accuser of being a hypocrite.
The people who defended Clinton no matter what he did now want to blame
Bush no matter what. Plame was outed in 1994. There is no evidence that
anyone did anything intentionally wrong with regards to Plame's status
working for CIA. The New York Times says that information about her got
out a bit with inside the beltway types as she rose in the ranks of
official Washington. Given the high profile of her husband, it is no
wonder that a reporter thought it reasonable to use this information to
answer a very reasonable question.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: See the Democrat's Plame ad |
20 Oct 2003 08:57:05 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:40:47 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
A known agent's files sitting in the White House doesn't endanger
anyone's life.
What was it something like 900 FBI files on people of the opposite
party?
Whose life did it endanger?
Meanwhile, in this case, we have
an agent who was outed, it now seems, in 1994. She was taken off
undercover out of country operations back then because Aldrich Ames was
thought to have outed her.
Thought to maybe have outed her. That still makes it a felony to out
her at a later date.
But I wouldn't expect you to understand the gravity of
the difference between a serious felony and a possible lack of
rectitude.
Her own actions, moving up in the Washington elite circles were outing
her.
Learn something before you make such a fool of yourself. What you
don't know about the subject would fill a few large libraries.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "The Fair and Balanced Weasel" |
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| Title: Re: See the Democrat's Plame ad |
20 Oct 2003 07:41:59 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:40:47 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:23:57 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
z wrote:
Overlooked in this debate is how hot the rest of operatives in the field are
feeling. They know their protective cover can be blown by the White House
any time when it suits them, that the Bush administration doesn't care *****
about them.
How do you think that the Republicans whose FBI files were illegally
sitting in the Clinton White House felt?
A known agent's files sitting in the White House doesn't endanger
anyone's life.
What was it something like 900 FBI files on people of the opposite
party? Don't you think that was wrong? Meanwhile, in this case, we have
an agent who was outed, it now seems, in 1994. She was taken off
undercover out of country operations back then because Aldrich Ames was
thought to have outed her.
Nothing likes longer than a totally discredited rumor on Usenet.
The "900 files" in question were in the White House, but not on
Clinton's desk. They were compiled by the Bush administration, not
the Clinton administration, and the seals on the files were intact,
which means that the Clinton people hadn't even opened them.
But I wouldn't expect you to understand the gravity of
the difference between a serious felony and a possible lack of
rectitude.
Her own actions, moving up in the Washington elite circles were outing
her. The actions of her husband just made it happen faster.
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