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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Fred Stone"
Date: 10 Jul 2007 07:14:17 PM
Object: Seeing the Pattern
http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments
Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike
So let’s see if I have this all figured out here.
After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous, terror-sponsoring
dictator — a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies. Terrorist attacks against American interests were
increasing in scope, audacity, and deadliness. Clinton continued his
bumptious shadowboxing routine, with no discernible result. He did manage
to lock up a meager handful of those who had attacked us — after the fact,
naturally; Democrats strongly disapprove of preemptive defense — but as far
as doing any real damage to the continuing ability of radical
Islamofascists to execute their nefarious plans against us, Clinton was the
usual empty-suit Democrat, with no real understand of or empathy for the
military option, and a visceral loathing not only for the prospect of using
it, but for those in uniform who would be charged with carrying out any
order for such he might give. That loathing assuredly went both ways,
soldiers not being nearly as stupid or childlike as Democrats like The
Creep generally assume.
Then, as a direct result of the failure of Clinton’s feeble charade of
concern for national defense to fool a living soul, Osama bin Laden, having
witnessed first-hand in Somalia how empty The Creep’s turgid rhetoric was,
plotted the attack that would establish once and for all the hollowness of
America’s justly vaunted military, absent the will and intelligence to make
proper use of it. No insult to that military is expressed or implied here;
the fault lies entirely with the political class, and with the people who
twice elected these Pecksniffian frauds to high office. Osama was
essentially correct in his assessment.
And he rewarded our timorous reluctance to face down our enemies with 9/11.
Bush, having surrounded himself with at least a few close advisors who don’t
suffer from the Liberal Disease of unswerving reliance on foreign-aid
bribery, pointless UN resolutions, and cringing, supplicatory diplomacy to
achieve American foreign-policy and national-defense goals — with never
anything but a limp wrist reinforcing the velvet glove — momentarily did
and said the right things in immediate response, to the shock and horror of
a Muslim world grown accustomed to seeing the US retreat again and again in
the manner of an old, tired hound fleeing the bite of a horsefly. We
quickly removed the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, then turned our
attention to the festering sore that was Saddam’s unpredictable and
threatening regime.
Saddam, in contrast to liberals’ perfectly typical dark, whimpering
predictions of doom and defeat, went down like a ton of bricks, and in
almost incredibly short order was being dragged from his last sanctuary:
crouching in a cesspool, disheveled, humiliated, and with his lip bloodied.
He’d undeniably come a long, long way from his golden palaces and
unquestioned sovereignty, and the Muslim world took note of who it was that
dragged him there.
In the wake of that unexpected show of will and national self-respect,
Qadafy suddenly had a change of heart about his WMD programs and came clean
for the first time about them, leaving aghast a Western world that had
previously had no idea how far along he was in his pursuit of nuclear
weapons. Egypt promised free and open elections. Even Saudi Arabia made
some slight (albeit probably insincere) nods in the direction of
liberalization and the checking of the terrorist threat, for the first time
in memory. Real progress was undeniably being made.
And the only prodding required to achieve these goals was a fit and proper
embrace of the idea that, when viciously attacked by primeval savages, the
United States reserved the right to destroy any regime that countenanced
aiding and abetting them. The only truly surprising thing about it all
should have been that it had taken us so long to decipher Osama’s “weak
horse, strong horse” message — to figure out that strength is father to
cooperation and respect, whereas weakness and vacillation breed only
contempt.
And then, the retreat began.
In the face of relentless baying from the mainstream press, spurred on by
same from a left wing that objectively despises everything America stands
for and yearns only for its defeat and diminishment, Bush returned with
forlorn alacrity the spine he had borrowed from his closest advisers and
began backtracking. The “Axis of Evil” became not an assemblage of
blackguard states to be dealt with sternly and with clarity of vision,
but “partners in peace” to be fecklessly negotiated with. Hamas became not
a terrorist organization dedicated with an ironclad fidelity to genocide
and the destruction of the only true Mideast democracy, but the legitimate
government of the all-but-formally-recognized State of Palestine. Hezbollah
lobbed Katyusha rockets into Israel, and Israel’s response was eyed warily
for the remotest sign of “disproportionality.” The promises garnered from
meetings with thuggish crypto-fascist religious dictatorships were to be
viewed not with a seemly suspicion but with child-like naivete and blind,
over-optimistic trust. And always, always, always, the plaintive note could
be faintly discerned underneath Bush’s increasingly Clintonesque
bravado: “just don’t hurt us anymore — please.”
And now Syria has invaded Lebanon, and Iran careens along utterly unchecked
on its way to becoming a sort of terrorist superstate, and Democrats
continue squealing like Ned Beatty in Deliverance for an immediate and
unconditional surrender and generally dancing to the Islamist tune, shrilly
advocating for “fighting” terrorists in any place other than where we know
for sure they now are. And now some Republicans are joining them.
But who can blame them, really? From the opening moments of the Iraq
campaign, when “shock and awe” were abandoned for something a whole lot
more quotidian and supposedly “humane,” Bush has allowed the slow, sure
Democratization of this war through his own ineptness and lack of vision,
and it’s almost complete. The only thing lacking now from full realization
of the same old high-handed Democrat war-losing strategy is humiliating
news footage of American helicopters leaving embassy roofs, with desperate
locals falling from the skids like raindrops. But we’ll see that soon
enough.
Anybody else noticing the pattern here? Because more of us had better do so,
and quick. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to etc.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"
.

User: "Pt. Lurk Pt."

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 10 Jul 2007 09:15:03 PM
"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than

40 years

of

being a valued CIA asset endlessly assisted and whitewashed by the USA,

Saddam

made a mistake and stopped following orders -- with the result that
Washington and all its little wind-up toys suddenly noticed that he was a
dastardly, awful man who had been committing terrible crimes for decades.
And they all died, in their hundreds of thousands, ever after.
The End.
L.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 10 Jul 2007 09:48:59 PM
Pt. Lurk wrote:
<the same useless old pattern of denial>
Dismissed.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 11 Jul 2007 05:32:40 AM
"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:01d4defa$0$16776$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

Pt. Lurk wrote:

<the same useless old pattern of denial>

Dismissed.

Knowing you, it must have been something that
you were unable or unwilling to reply to.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis


--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 11 Jul 2007 07:44:32 AM
Michelle Malkin wrote:

"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:01d4defa$0$16776$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

Pt. Lurk wrote:

<the same useless old pattern of denial>

Dismissed.


Knowing you, it must have been something that
you were unable or unwilling to reply to.

No, just something that I've replied to a few dozen times before.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"
.


User: "Pt. Lurk Pt."

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 10 Jul 2007 10:44:01 PM
"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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Pt. Lurk wrote:

<the same useless old pattern of denial>

The Bushista way: facts are 'denial'.

Dismissed.

Huh.
The Court of History is now is session, Gomer. And you lying sad-arses
*lost* before anyone *even turned up*....
L.
.
User: "Yang, AthD h.c"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 11 Jul 2007 01:07:18 AM
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:44:01 GMT, "Pt. Lurk" <Pt. Lurk@renvcom.net>
wrote:

"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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Pt. Lurk wrote:

<the same useless old pattern of denial>


The Bushista way: facts are 'denial'.

And Iraqis are "liberated" by getting bombed back to the stone ages.

Dismissed.


Huh.

The Court of History is now is session, Gomer. And you lying sad-arses
*lost* before anyone *even turned up*....

L.

--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
.




User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 10 Jul 2007 11:14:34 PM
"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous, terror-sponsoring
dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies.

Well, Fred, if you had been clever enough to write this garbage yourself, I
would take issue with you. But since you have defaulted to cut-and-paste
innuendo and half-truths of the manipulative Fascists, I will hardly bother
to point out that 9/11 happened when GWB was presidentg, and that
Islamo-Fascist was a term coined by Rove & Co. about the time that a lot of
people were starting to wake up to the fact that GWB's is a Fascist regime
in the true sense, unlike the Islamists'. Just because they are trying to
kill us and all the Jews doesn't make them Fascists. Fascists are more
particular about whom they kill than Islamists are. But killers all and
disconcerrtingly prolific.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 11 Jul 2007 07:43:56 AM
ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:46942064$0$26068$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous, terror-sponsoring
dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies.


Well, Fred, if you had been clever enough to write this garbage yourself,
I would take issue with you. But since you have defaulted to cut-and-paste
innuendo and half-truths of the manipulative Fascists, I will hardly
bother to point out that 9/11 happened when GWB was presidentg, and that
Islamo-Fascist was a term coined by Rove & Co. about the time that a lot
of people were starting to wake up to the fact that GWB's is a Fascist
regime in the true sense, unlike the Islamists'. Just because they are
trying to kill us and all the Jews doesn't make them Fascists. Fascists
are more particular about whom they kill than Islamists are. But killers
all and disconcerrtingly prolific.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Islamofascists fit the definition
of "Fascist" quite neatly, by appropriating the oil industry to the state.
But once again, your moral equivocation fails. I hardly need to point out
that if GWB were the fascist you make him out to be, you'd be up against a
wall somewhere instead of posting diatribes on USENET.
And since you agree that, labels aside, the Islamists are trying to kill us
all, what's your problem anyway? Do you *want* to be killed? You'd rather
be killed by Islamists than fight for The Eeeeeevil Rovian Conspiracy?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"
.
User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 11 Jul 2007 10:22:00 PM
"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:00e0158b$0$28033$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:46942064$0$26068$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous,
terror-sponsoring
dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies.


Well, Fred, if you had been clever enough to write this garbage yourself,
I would take issue with you. But since you have defaulted to
cut-and-paste
innuendo and half-truths of the manipulative Fascists, I will hardly
bother to point out that 9/11 happened when GWB was presidentg, and that
Islamo-Fascist was a term coined by Rove & Co. about the time that a lot
of people were starting to wake up to the fact that GWB's is a Fascist
regime in the true sense, unlike the Islamists'. Just because they are
trying to kill us and all the Jews doesn't make them Fascists. Fascists
are more particular about whom they kill than Islamists are. But killers
all and disconcerrtingly prolific.


I hate to burst your bubble, but the Islamofascists fit the definition
of "Fascist" quite neatly, by appropriating the oil industry to the state.

Fascism is more than Socialism, and what you call Islamofascists, if you
mean Al Qaeda, are not sancrtioned officially by any governmnet, as Fascists
would have to be, and they don't control the oil industry.

But once again, your moral equivocation fails. I hardly need to point out
that if GWB were the fascist you make him out to be, you'd be up against a
wall somewhere instead of posting diatribes on USENET.

Fascism is not guaranteed to kill every person who criticizes it, and in any
case not the next day.


And since you agree that, labels aside, the Islamists are trying to kill
us
all, what's your problem anyway? Do you *want* to be killed? You'd rather
be killed by Islamists than fight for The Eeeeeevil Rovian Conspiracy?

There is no problem, except they are trying to kill us. You seem to be the
one with a problem, how you rationalize it. This warped thinking is of the
type that typifies the incompetence and weirdness of the Bush
administration. They have totally screwed up the so-called War on Terror to
the extent that the populace of the U.S. is in more danger than ever before.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 12 Jul 2007 06:36:02 AM
ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:00e0158b$0$28033$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:46942064$0$26068$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous,
terror-sponsoring
dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies.


Well, Fred, if you had been clever enough to write this garbage
yourself, I would take issue with you. But since you have defaulted to
cut-and-paste
innuendo and half-truths of the manipulative Fascists, I will hardly
bother to point out that 9/11 happened when GWB was presidentg, and that
Islamo-Fascist was a term coined by Rove & Co. about the time that a lot
of people were starting to wake up to the fact that GWB's is a Fascist
regime in the true sense, unlike the Islamists'. Just because they are
trying to kill us and all the Jews doesn't make them Fascists. Fascists
are more particular about whom they kill than Islamists are. But killers
all and disconcerrtingly prolific.


I hate to burst your bubble, but the Islamofascists fit the definition
of "Fascist" quite neatly, by appropriating the oil industry to the
state.

Fascism is more than Socialism, and what you call Islamofascists, if you
mean Al Qaeda, are not sancrtioned officially by any governmnet, as
Fascists would have to be, and they don't control the oil industry.

I mean the governments of the Arab States and Iran. They *support* al Qaeda
and other terrorist groups and use them against their enemies in the West.

But once again, your moral equivocation fails. I hardly need to point out
that if GWB were the fascist you make him out to be, you'd be up against
a wall somewhere instead of posting diatribes on USENET.


Fascism is not guaranteed to kill every person who criticizes it, and in
any case not the next day.

Fascism was pretty good at killing critics, and GWB hasn't killed anybody.
He hasn't even jailed any of his critics. Hell, they get Pulitzer prizes
for committing high treason!


And since you agree that, labels aside, the Islamists are trying to kill
us all, what's your problem anyway? Do you *want* to be killed? You'd
rather be killed by Islamists than fight for The Eeeeeevil Rovian
Conspiracy?

There is no problem, except they are trying to kill us. You seem to be
the one with a problem, how you rationalize it. This warped thinking is
of the type that typifies the incompetence and weirdness of the Bush
administration. They have totally screwed up the so-called War on Terror
to the extent that the populace of the U.S. is in more danger than ever
before.

I agree that there have been some serious mistakes made in the prosecution
of the war. There have been mistakes made in every war ever fought. THere
is reason to believe that the current strategy being pursued in Iraq has
some chance of success if it is allowed to proceed.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"
.
User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 12 Jul 2007 10:47:31 PM
"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:01f186e8$0$9152$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:00e0158b$0$28033$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:46942064$0$26068$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous,
terror-sponsoring
dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of
neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies.


Well, Fred, if you had been clever enough to write this garbage
yourself, I would take issue with you. But since you have defaulted to
cut-and-paste
innuendo and half-truths of the manipulative Fascists, I will hardly
bother to point out that 9/11 happened when GWB was presidentg, and
that
Islamo-Fascist was a term coined by Rove & Co. about the time that a
lot
of people were starting to wake up to the fact that GWB's is a Fascist
regime in the true sense, unlike the Islamists'. Just because they are
trying to kill us and all the Jews doesn't make them Fascists. Fascists
are more particular about whom they kill than Islamists are. But
killers
all and disconcerrtingly prolific.


I hate to burst your bubble, but the Islamofascists fit the definition
of "Fascist" quite neatly, by appropriating the oil industry to the
state.

Fascism is more than Socialism, and what you call Islamofascists, if you
mean Al Qaeda, are not sancrtioned officially by any governmnet, as
Fascists would have to be, and they don't control the oil industry.


I mean the governments of the Arab States and Iran. They *support* al
Qaeda
and other terrorist groups and use them against their enemies in the West.

Perhaps by *support* you mean they don't go into neighborhoods and bomb the
***** out of people just because there are a few terrorists in there. OTOH
Syria is a Fascist state and so is Iran. Iran is trying to kill Americans.
Syria is letting Hamas use an airfield there. Saudi Arabia has proved that
it can fight terorists using existing laws witout resorting to extra-legal
means against its own people. The terrorists are not agents of the Fascist
regimes, but a separate movement. Therefore Islamo-fascism as applied to
terrorists is a misnomer. The origin of the term is in the spin propaganda
of the Bush administration, to draw attention away from the Fascist nature
of the neo-con movement.

But once again, your moral equivocation fails. I hardly need to point
out
that if GWB were the fascist you make him out to be, you'd be up against
a wall somewhere instead of posting diatribes on USENET.


Fascism is not guaranteed to kill every person who criticizes it, and in
any case not the next day.


Fascism was pretty good at killing critics, and GWB hasn't killed anybody.
He hasn't even jailed any of his critics. Hell, they get Pulitzer prizes
for committing high treason!


And since you agree that, labels aside, the Islamists are trying to kill
us all, what's your problem anyway? Do you *want* to be killed? You'd
rather be killed by Islamists than fight for The Eeeeeevil Rovian
Conspiracy?

There is no problem, except they are trying to kill us. You seem to be
the one with a problem, how you rationalize it. This warped thinking is
of the type that typifies the incompetence and weirdness of the Bush
administration. They have totally screwed up the so-called War on Terror
to the extent that the populace of the U.S. is in more danger than ever
before.


I agree that there have been some serious mistakes made in the prosecution
of the war. There have been mistakes made in every war ever fought. THere
is reason to believe that the current strategy being pursued in Iraq has
some chance of success if it is allowed to proceed.

Not only mistakes in the prosecution, but grave strategic errors over an
extended period. The current strategy in Iraq was developed for political
reasons, to save face. Whatever theoretical chance it may have, can't come
to fruition because of the political errors of the Neo-cons preemptd popular
support in the U.S. True, the Democratic majority in Congress is looking
very foolish by trying to dictate an end to the occupation. The President is
the commander, and the correct course would be impeachment of him and the
Vice President. The problem the Democrats have, is that they didn't run on
impeachment in the election, but on the constitutionally futile idea of
running the military, in the sense of promising to try to end the
occupation. But there is no popular support, and eventually that chicken
will come home to roost, making the victory (whatever that is) impossible.
These days you can't fight a successful war based on lies. That idea only
worked in the early days of the Republic, and against militarily vastly
inferior opponents. I am speaking mainly of the war against the Native
Americans. The terrorists are very sophisticated, and have access to all
manner of technology. They also have an extreme political advantage, due to
the indiscriminate killings by the Americans, and the great cultural divide.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 13 Jul 2007 08:08:44 AM
ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:01f186e8$0$9152$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:00e0158b$0$28033$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:46942064$0$26068$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous,
terror-sponsoring
dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of
neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies.


Well, Fred, if you had been clever enough to write this garbage
yourself, I would take issue with you. But since you have defaulted to
cut-and-paste
innuendo and half-truths of the manipulative Fascists, I will hardly
bother to point out that 9/11 happened when GWB was presidentg, and
that
Islamo-Fascist was a term coined by Rove & Co. about the time that a
lot
of people were starting to wake up to the fact that GWB's is a Fascist
regime in the true sense, unlike the Islamists'. Just because they are
trying to kill us and all the Jews doesn't make them Fascists.
Fascists are more particular about whom they kill than Islamists are.
But killers
all and disconcerrtingly prolific.


I hate to burst your bubble, but the Islamofascists fit the definition
of "Fascist" quite neatly, by appropriating the oil industry to the
state.

Fascism is more than Socialism, and what you call Islamofascists, if you
mean Al Qaeda, are not sancrtioned officially by any governmnet, as
Fascists would have to be, and they don't control the oil industry.


I mean the governments of the Arab States and Iran. They *support* al
Qaeda and other terrorist groups and use them against their enemies in

the West.



Perhaps by *support* you mean they don't go into neighborhoods and bomb
the ***** out of people just because there are a few terrorists in there.
OTOH Syria is a Fascist state and so is Iran. Iran is trying to kill
Americans. Syria is letting Hamas use an airfield there. Saudi Arabia has
proved that it can fight terorists using existing laws witout resorting to
extra-legal means against its own people.

Bwahahaha.

The terrorists are not agents of
the Fascist regimes, but a separate movement. Therefore Islamo-fascism as
applied to terrorists is a misnomer. The origin of the term is in the spin
propaganda of the Bush administration, to draw attention away from the
Fascist nature of the neo-con movement.

Your turnspeak is so lame it's not even funny any more, ike.

But once again, your moral equivocation fails. I hardly need to point
out
that if GWB were the fascist you make him out to be, you'd be up
against a wall somewhere instead of posting diatribes on USENET.


Fascism is not guaranteed to kill every person who criticizes it, and in
any case not the next day.


Fascism was pretty good at killing critics, and GWB hasn't killed
anybody. He hasn't even jailed any of his critics. Hell, they get
Pulitzer prizes for committing high treason!

I see you completely ignored the refutation of your claims about
the "fascist nature of the neo-con movement".


And since you agree that, labels aside, the Islamists are trying to
kill us all, what's your problem anyway? Do you *want* to be killed?
You'd rather be killed by Islamists than fight for The Eeeeeevil Rovian
Conspiracy?

There is no problem, except they are trying to kill us. You seem to be
the one with a problem, how you rationalize it. This warped thinking is
of the type that typifies the incompetence and weirdness of the Bush
administration. They have totally screwed up the so-called War on Terror
to the extent that the populace of the U.S. is in more danger than ever
before.


I agree that there have been some serious mistakes made in the
prosecution of the war. There have been mistakes made in every war ever
fought. THere is reason to believe that the current strategy being
pursued in Iraq has some chance of success if it is allowed to proceed.

Not only mistakes in the prosecution, but grave strategic errors over an
extended period. The current strategy in Iraq was developed for political
reasons, to save face. Whatever theoretical chance it may have, can't come
to fruition because of the political errors of the Neo-cons preemptd
popular support in the U.S. True, the Democratic majority in Congress is
looking very foolish by trying to dictate an end to the occupation. The
President is the commander, and the correct course would be impeachment of
him and the Vice President. The problem the Democrats have, is that they
didn't run on impeachment in the election, but on the constitutionally
futile idea of running the military, in the sense of promising to try to
end the occupation. But there is no popular support, and eventually that
chicken will come home to roost, making the victory (whatever that is)
impossible. These days you can't fight a successful war based on lies.
That idea only worked in the early days of the Republic, and against
militarily vastly inferior opponents. I am speaking mainly of the war
against the Native Americans. The terrorists are very sophisticated, and
have access to all manner of technology. They also have an extreme
political advantage, due to the indiscriminate killings by the Americans,
and the great cultural divide.

Sorry, ike, but the terrorists' own indiscriminate killings have cost them
the support they need in the territory they're trying to take away from the
legitimate Iraqi government. The current counterterrorist strategy is
working, and is gaining enormous popular support in Iraq among the people
who count, in Iraq. The "cultural divide" doesn't exist except in the minds
of liberals who insist on maintaining their outdated 19th century class war
rhetoric.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"
.
User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 14 Jul 2007 09:51:13 PM
"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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ike milligan wrote:


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ike milligan wrote:


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http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous,
terror-sponsoring
dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of
neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies.


Well, Fred, if you had been clever enough to write this garbage
yourself, I would take issue with you. But since you have defaulted
to
cut-and-paste
innuendo and half-truths of the manipulative Fascists, I will hardly
bother to point out that 9/11 happened when GWB was presidentg, and
that
Islamo-Fascist was a term coined by Rove & Co. about the time that a
lot
of people were starting to wake up to the fact that GWB's is a
Fascist
regime in the true sense, unlike the Islamists'. Just because they
are
trying to kill us and all the Jews doesn't make them Fascists.
Fascists are more particular about whom they kill than Islamists are.
But killers
all and disconcerrtingly prolific.


I hate to burst your bubble, but the Islamofascists fit the definition
of "Fascist" quite neatly, by appropriating the oil industry to the
state.

Fascism is more than Socialism, and what you call Islamofascists, if
you
mean Al Qaeda, are not sancrtioned officially by any governmnet, as
Fascists would have to be, and they don't control the oil industry.


I mean the governments of the Arab States and Iran. They *support* al
Qaeda and other terrorist groups and use them against their enemies in

the West.



Perhaps by *support* you mean they don't go into neighborhoods and bomb
the ***** out of people just because there are a few terrorists in there.
OTOH Syria is a Fascist state and so is Iran. Iran is trying to kill
Americans. Syria is letting Hamas use an airfield there. Saudi Arabia has
proved that it can fight terorists using existing laws witout resorting
to
extra-legal means against its own people.


Bwahahaha.

The terrorists are not agents of
the Fascist regimes, but a separate movement. Therefore Islamo-fascism as
applied to terrorists is a misnomer. The origin of the term is in the
spin
propaganda of the Bush administration, to draw attention away from the
Fascist nature of the neo-con movement.


Your turnspeak is so lame it's not even funny any more, ike.

But once again, your moral equivocation fails. I hardly need to point
out
that if GWB were the fascist you make him out to be, you'd be up
against a wall somewhere instead of posting diatribes on USENET.


Fascism is not guaranteed to kill every person who criticizes it, and
in
any case not the next day.


Fascism was pretty good at killing critics, and GWB hasn't killed
anybody. He hasn't even jailed any of his critics. Hell, they get
Pulitzer prizes for committing high treason!


I see you completely ignored the refutation of your claims about
the "fascist nature of the neo-con movement".


And since you agree that, labels aside, the Islamists are trying to
kill us all, what's your problem anyway? Do you *want* to be killed?
You'd rather be killed by Islamists than fight for The Eeeeeevil
Rovian
Conspiracy?

There is no problem, except they are trying to kill us. You seem to be
the one with a problem, how you rationalize it. This warped thinking
is
of the type that typifies the incompetence and weirdness of the Bush
administration. They have totally screwed up the so-called War on
Terror
to the extent that the populace of the U.S. is in more danger than ever
before.


I agree that there have been some serious mistakes made in the
prosecution of the war. There have been mistakes made in every war ever
fought. THere is reason to believe that the current strategy being
pursued in Iraq has some chance of success if it is allowed to proceed.

Not only mistakes in the prosecution, but grave strategic errors over an
extended period. The current strategy in Iraq was developed for political
reasons, to save face. Whatever theoretical chance it may have, can't
come
to fruition because of the political errors of the Neo-cons preemptd
popular support in the U.S. True, the Democratic majority in Congress is
looking very foolish by trying to dictate an end to the occupation. The
President is the commander, and the correct course would be impeachment
of
him and the Vice President. The problem the Democrats have, is that they
didn't run on impeachment in the election, but on the constitutionally
futile idea of running the military, in the sense of promising to try to
end the occupation. But there is no popular support, and eventually that
chicken will come home to roost, making the victory (whatever that is)
impossible. These days you can't fight a successful war based on lies.
That idea only worked in the early days of the Republic, and against
militarily vastly inferior opponents. I am speaking mainly of the war
against the Native Americans. The terrorists are very sophisticated, and
have access to all manner of technology. They also have an extreme
political advantage, due to the indiscriminate killings by the Americans,
and the great cultural divide.


Sorry, ike, but the terrorists' own indiscriminate killings have cost them
the support they need in the territory they're trying to take away from
the
legitimate Iraqi government. The current counterterrorist strategy is
working, and is gaining enormous popular support in Iraq among the people
who count, in Iraq. The "cultural divide" doesn't exist except in the
minds
of liberals who insist on maintaining their outdated 19th century class
war
rhetoric.

That remains to be seen. and on the subject of Iran, let's not forget that
Iran was helping against Al Qaeda, until Bush enraged them with his Axis of
Evil speech. The current counterterrorist startegy may be working or not,
but it should have been used long ago, and now America is tired of the
incompetent Bush administration, and many even fear it. This fact could
easily make the new strategy (to the extent that it may be new) useless, or
worse, when the Democrats win in 2008 and pull out the troops, or even
sooner, if they impeach Bush and Cheney, which they should have done
already, together with Justice Scalia (who gave us Bush), and the Bush
appointees the the SCOTUS, and Clarence Thomas; don't forget his sorry Uncle
Tom *****.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 15 Jul 2007 12:09:18 PM
ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:46977846$0$672$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:

<...>

Sorry, ike, but the terrorists' own indiscriminate killings have cost
them the support they need in the territory they're trying to take away
from the legitimate Iraqi government. The current counterterrorist
strategy is working, and is gaining enormous popular support in Iraq
among the people who count, in Iraq. The "cultural divide" doesn't exist
except in the minds of liberals who insist on maintaining their outdated
19th century class warrhetoric.

That remains to be seen. and on the subject of Iran, let's not forget that
Iran was helping against Al Qaeda, until Bush enraged them with his Axis
of Evil speech.

They were playing both sides against the middle, giving sanctuary to al
Qaeda terrorists at the same time that they were fighting Taleban
extremists in Afghanistan.

The current counterterrorist startegy may be working or
not, but it should have been used long ago, and now America is tired of
the incompetent Bush administration, and many even fear it.

Due in large part to the fearmongering of you and your Democrat allies.

This fact could easily make the new strategy (to the extent that it may be
new) useless, or worse, when the Democrats win in 2008

IF, not when.

and pull out the
troops, or even sooner, if they impeach Bush and Cheney, which they should
have done already, together with Justice Scalia (who gave us Bush),

Who kept Gore from stealing the election.

and
the Bush appointees the the SCOTUS, and Clarence Thomas; don't forget his
sorry Uncle Tom *****.

Thank you, ike, for reminding me of why I think liberals are stupid,
gullible fools who should never be trusted with power.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"
.
User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 16 Jul 2007 11:00:35 PM
"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:469a5437$0$26869$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:46977846$0$672$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


<...>

Sorry, ike, but the terrorists' own indiscriminate killings have cost
them the support they need in the territory they're trying to take away
from the legitimate Iraqi government. The current counterterrorist
strategy is working, and is gaining enormous popular support in Iraq
among the people who count, in Iraq. The "cultural divide" doesn't exist
except in the minds of liberals who insist on maintaining their outdated
19th century class warrhetoric.

That remains to be seen. and on the subject of Iran, let's not forget
that
Iran was helping against Al Qaeda, until Bush enraged them with his Axis
of Evil speech.


They were playing both sides against the middle, giving sanctuary to al
Qaeda terrorists at the same time that they were fighting Taleban
extremists in Afghanistan.

The current counterterrorist startegy may be working or
not, but it should have been used long ago, and now America is tired of
the incompetent Bush administration, and many even fear it.


Due in large part to the fearmongering of you and your Democrat allies.

This fact could easily make the new strategy (to the extent that it may
be
new) useless, or worse, when the Democrats win in 2008


IF, not when.

and pull out the
troops, or even sooner, if they impeach Bush and Cheney, which they
should
have done already, together with Justice Scalia (who gave us Bush),


Who kept Gore from stealing the election.

and
the Bush appointees the the SCOTUS, and Clarence Thomas; don't forget his
sorry Uncle Tom *****.


Thank you, ike, for reminding me of why I think liberals are stupid,
gullible fools who should never be trusted with power.

Only problem is, that you trust anyone with power. I haven't seen that the
people you seem to trust have done so well, and that's why they are losing
their jobs. Look at the melstdown of the McCain campaign and that;s a
microcosm of what all your neo-Republicons are going to look like soon.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 17 Jul 2007 08:50:37 AM
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:46977846$0$672$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

ike milligan wrote:


<...>

Sorry, ike, but the terrorists' own indiscriminate killings have
cost them the support they need in the territory they're trying to
take away from the legitimate Iraqi government. The current
counterterrorist strategy is working, and is gaining enormous
popular support in Iraq among the people who count, in Iraq. The
"cultural divide" doesn't exist except in the minds of liberals who
insist on maintaining their outdated 19th century class
warrhetoric.

That remains to be seen. and on the subject of Iran, let's not
forget that
Iran was helping against Al Qaeda, until Bush enraged them with his
Axis of Evil speech.


They were playing both sides against the middle, giving sanctuary to
al Qaeda terrorists at the same time that they were fighting Taleban
extremists in Afghanistan.

The current counterterrorist startegy may be working or
not, but it should have been used long ago, and now America is tired
of the incompetent Bush administration, and many even fear it.


Due in large part to the fearmongering of you and your Democrat
allies.

This fact could easily make the new strategy (to the extent that it
may be
new) useless, or worse, when the Democrats win in 2008


IF, not when.

and pull out the
troops, or even sooner, if they impeach Bush and Cheney, which they
should
have done already, together with Justice Scalia (who gave us Bush),


Who kept Gore from stealing the election.

and
the Bush appointees the the SCOTUS, and Clarence Thomas; don't
forget his sorry Uncle Tom *****.


Thank you, ike, for reminding me of why I think liberals are stupid,
gullible fools who should never be trusted with power.


Only problem is, that you trust anyone with power. I haven't seen that
the people you seem to trust have done so well, and that's why they
are losing their jobs.

Ah, there's your mistake. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Look at the melstdown of the McCain campaign
and that;s a microcosm of what all your neo-Republicons are going to
look like soon.

How's the Bill and Hill show going lately?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
.
User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 21 Jul 2007 02:01:01 PM
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ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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ike milligan wrote:


<...>

Sorry, ike, but the terrorists' own indiscriminate killings have
cost them the support they need in the territory they're trying to
take away from the legitimate Iraqi government. The current
counterterrorist strategy is working, and is gaining enormous
popular support in Iraq among the people who count, in Iraq. The
"cultural divide" doesn't exist except in the minds of liberals who
insist on maintaining their outdated 19th century class
warrhetoric.

That remains to be seen. and on the subject of Iran, let's not
forget that
Iran was helping against Al Qaeda, until Bush enraged them with his
Axis of Evil speech.


They were playing both sides against the middle, giving sanctuary to
al Qaeda terrorists at the same time that they were fighting Taleban
extremists in Afghanistan.

The current counterterrorist startegy may be working or
not, but it should have been used long ago, and now America is tired
of the incompetent Bush administration, and many even fear it.


Due in large part to the fearmongering of you and your Democrat
allies.

This fact could easily make the new strategy (to the extent that it
may be
new) useless, or worse, when the Democrats win in 2008


IF, not when.

and pull out the
troops, or even sooner, if they impeach Bush and Cheney, which they
should
have done already, together with Justice Scalia (who gave us Bush),


Who kept Gore from stealing the election.

and
the Bush appointees the the SCOTUS, and Clarence Thomas; don't
forget his sorry Uncle Tom *****.


Thank you, ike, for reminding me of why I think liberals are stupid,
gullible fools who should never be trusted with power.


Only problem is, that you trust anyone with power. I haven't seen that
the people you seem to trust have done so well, and that's why they
are losing their jobs.


Ah, there's your mistake. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Look at the melstdown of the McCain campaign
and that;s a microcosm of what all your neo-Republicons are going to
look like soon.


How's the Bill and Hill show going lately?

Wouldn't know. I get all my entertainment from right-wing wackos.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 21 Jul 2007 06:18:29 PM
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in news:NJsoi.9500
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"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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ike milligan wrote:


<...>

Sorry, ike, but the terrorists' own indiscriminate killings have
cost them the support they need in the territory they're trying

to

take away from the legitimate Iraqi government. The current
counterterrorist strategy is working, and is gaining enormous
popular support in Iraq among the people who count, in Iraq. The
"cultural divide" doesn't exist except in the minds of liberals

who

insist on maintaining their outdated 19th century class
warrhetoric.

That remains to be seen. and on the subject of Iran, let's not
forget that
Iran was helping against Al Qaeda, until Bush enraged them with

his

Axis of Evil speech.


They were playing both sides against the middle, giving sanctuary

to

al Qaeda terrorists at the same time that they were fighting

Taleban

extremists in Afghanistan.

The current counterterrorist startegy may be working or
not, but it should have been used long ago, and now America is

tired

of the incompetent Bush administration, and many even fear it.


Due in large part to the fearmongering of you and your Democrat
allies.

This fact could easily make the new strategy (to the extent that

it

may be
new) useless, or worse, when the Democrats win in 2008


IF, not when.

and pull out the
troops, or even sooner, if they impeach Bush and Cheney, which

they

should
have done already, together with Justice Scalia (who gave us

Bush),


Who kept Gore from stealing the election.

and
the Bush appointees the the SCOTUS, and Clarence Thomas; don't
forget his sorry Uncle Tom *****.


Thank you, ike, for reminding me of why I think liberals are

stupid,

gullible fools who should never be trusted with power.


Only problem is, that you trust anyone with power. I haven't seen

that

the people you seem to trust have done so well, and that's why they
are losing their jobs.


Ah, there's your mistake. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Look at the melstdown of the McCain campaign
and that;s a microcosm of what all your neo-Republicons are going to
look like soon.


How's the Bill and Hill show going lately?

Wouldn't know. I get all my entertainment from right-wing wackos.

You're missing out, man.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
.
User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 22 Jul 2007 10:34:58 PM
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ike milligan wrote:


"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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ike milligan wrote:


<...>

Sorry, ike, but the terrorists' own indiscriminate killings have
cost them the support they need in the territory they're trying

to

take away from the legitimate Iraqi government. The current
counterterrorist strategy is working, and is gaining enormous
popular support in Iraq among the people who count, in Iraq. The
"cultural divide" doesn't exist except in the minds of liberals

who

insist on maintaining their outdated 19th century class
warrhetoric.

That remains to be seen. and on the subject of Iran, let's not
forget that
Iran was helping against Al Qaeda, until Bush enraged them with

his

Axis of Evil speech.


They were playing both sides against the middle, giving sanctuary

to

al Qaeda terrorists at the same time that they were fighting

Taleban

extremists in Afghanistan.

The current counterterrorist startegy may be working or
not, but it should have been used long ago, and now America is

tired

of the incompetent Bush administration, and many even fear it.


Due in large part to the fearmongering of you and your Democrat
allies.

This fact could easily make the new strategy (to the extent that

it

may be
new) useless, or worse, when the Democrats win in 2008


IF, not when.

and pull out the
troops, or even sooner, if they impeach Bush and Cheney, which

they

should
have done already, together with Justice Scalia (who gave us

Bush),


Who kept Gore from stealing the election.

and
the Bush appointees the the SCOTUS, and Clarence Thomas; don't
forget his sorry Uncle Tom *****.


Thank you, ike, for reminding me of why I think liberals are

stupid,

gullible fools who should never be trusted with power.


Only problem is, that you trust anyone with power. I haven't seen

that

the people you seem to trust have done so well, and that's why they
are losing their jobs.


Ah, there's your mistake. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Look at the melstdown of the McCain campaign
and that;s a microcosm of what all your neo-Republicons are going to
look like soon.


How's the Bill and Hill show going lately?

Wouldn't know. I get all my entertainment from right-wing wackos.


You're missing out, man.

You're missing the point, dude.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 23 Jul 2007 03:41:32 PM
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<...>

How's the Bill and Hill show going lately?

Wouldn't know. I get all my entertainment from right-wing wackos.


You're missing out, man.


You're missing the point, dude.

I know you are but what am I?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Contempt of Congress is not a crime, it's a duty."
.
User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 23 Jul 2007 10:12:46 PM
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<...>

How's the Bill and Hill show going lately?

Wouldn't know. I get all my entertainment from right-wing wackos.


You're missing out, man.


You're missing the point, dude.


I know you are but what am I?

HAhA
.















User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 10 Jul 2007 10:17:23 PM
*yaaaaaaaaaawn*
Nothing to see here, walk on by, nothing to see... just the reich-wing
standard bullcrap...
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
.
User: "Yang, AthD h.c"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 11 Jul 2007 12:12:26 AM
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:17:23 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecretary@carcosa.de> wrote:

*yaaaaaaaaaawn*

Nothing to see here, walk on by, nothing to see... just the reich-wing
standard bullcrap...

And that's different from standard Fred Stone crap.....?
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User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 11 Jul 2007 12:51:44 PM
Yang, AthD (h.c):

And that's different from standard Fred Stone crap.....?

Umm, it isn't. Why, did I claim otherwise? :)
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But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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User: ""

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 13 Jul 2007 08:41:15 AM
On 11 jul, 02:14, Fred Stone <Nu...@Biznez.net> wrote:

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous, terror-sponsoring
dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing and/or murdering
literally millions of his own hapless subjects and those of neighboring
Islamic kleptocracies. Terrorist attacks against American interests were
increasing in scope, audacity, and deadliness. Clinton continued his
bumptious shadowboxing routine, with no discernible result. He did manage
to lock up a meager handful of those who had attacked us - after the fact,
naturally; Democrats strongly disapprove of preemptive defense - but as far
as doing any real damage to the continuing ability of radical
Islamofascists to execute their nefarious plans against us, Clinton was the
usual empty-suit Democrat, with no real understand of or empathy for the
military option, and a visceral loathing not only for the prospect of using
it, but for those in uniform who would be charged with carrying out any
order for such he might give. That loathing assuredly went both ways,
soldiers not being nearly as stupid or childlike as Democrats like The
Creep generally assume.

Then, as a direct result of the failure of Clinton's feeble charade of
concern for national defense to fool a living soul, Osama bin Laden, having
witnessed first-hand in Somalia how empty The Creep's turgid rhetoric was,
plotted the attack that would establish once and for all the hollowness of
America's justly vaunted military, absent the will and intelligence to make
proper use of it. No insult to that military is expressed or implied here;
the fault lies entirely with the political class, and with the people who
twice elected these Pecksniffian frauds to high office. Osama was
essentially correct in his assessment.

And he rewarded our timorous reluctance to face down our enemies with 9/11.

Bush, having surrounded himself with at least a few close advisors who don't
suffer from the Liberal Disease of unswerving reliance on foreign-aid
bribery, pointless UN resolutions, and cringing, supplicatory diplomacy to
achieve American foreign-policy and national-defense goals - with never
anything but a limp wrist reinforcing the velvet glove - momentarily did
and said the right things in immediate response, to the shock and horror of
a Muslim world grown accustomed to seeing the US retreat again and again in
the manner of an old, tired hound fleeing the bite of a horsefly. We
quickly removed the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, then turned our
attention to the festering sore that was Saddam's unpredictable and
threatening regime.

Saddam, in contrast to liberals' perfectly typical dark, whimpering
predictions of doom and defeat, went down like a ton of bricks, and in
almost incredibly short order was being dragged from his last sanctuary:
crouching in a cesspool, disheveled, humiliated, and with his lip bloodied.
He'd undeniably come a long, long way from his golden palaces and
unquestioned sovereignty, and the Muslim world took note of who it was that
dragged him there.

In the wake of that unexpected show of will and national self-respect,
Qadafy suddenly had a change of heart about his WMD programs and came clean
for the first time about them, leaving aghast a Western world that had
previously had no idea how far along he was in his pursuit of nuclear
weapons. Egypt promised free and open elections. Even Saudi Arabia made
some slight (albeit probably insincere) nods in the direction of
liberalization and the checking of the terrorist threat, for the first time
in memory. Real progress was undeniably being made.

And the only prodding required to achieve these goals was a fit and proper
embrace of the idea that, when viciously attacked by primeval savages, the
United States reserved the right to destroy any regime that countenanced
aiding and abetting them. The only truly surprising thing about it all
should have been that it had taken us so long to decipher Osama's "weak
horse, strong horse" message - to figure out that strength is father to
cooperation and respect, whereas weakness and vacillation breed only
contempt.

And then, the retreat began.

In the face of relentless baying from the mainstream press, spurred on by
same from a left wing that objectively despises everything America stands
for and yearns only for its defeat and diminishment, Bush returned with
forlorn alacrity the spine he had borrowed from his closest advisers and
began backtracking. The "Axis of Evil" became not an assemblage of
blackguard states to be dealt with sternly and with clarity of vision,
but "partners in peace" to be fecklessly negotiated with. Hamas became not
a terrorist organization dedicated with an ironclad fidelity to genocide
and the destruction of the only true Mideast democracy, but the legitimate
government of the all-but-formally-recognized State of Palestine. Hezbollah
lobbed Katyusha rockets into Israel, and Israel's response was eyed warily
for the remotest sign of "disproportionality." The promises garnered from
meetings with thuggish crypto-fascist religious dictatorships were to be
viewed not with a seemly suspicion but with child-like naivete and blind,
over-optimistic trust. And always, always, always, the plaintive note could
be faintly discerned underneath Bush's increasingly Clintonesque
bravado: "just don't hurt us anymore - please."

And now Syria has invaded Lebanon, and Iran careens along utterly unchecked
on its way to becoming a sort of terrorist superstate, and Democrats
continue squealing like Ned Beatty in Deliverance for an immediate and
unconditional surrender and generally dancing to the Islamist tune, shrilly
advocating for "fighting" terrorists in any place other than where we know
for sure they now are. And now some Republicans are joining them.

But who can blame them, really? From the opening moments of the Iraq
campaign, when "shock and awe" were abandoned for something a whole lot
more quotidian and supposedly "humane," Bush has allowed the slow, sure
Democratization of this war through his own ineptness and lack of vision,
and it's almost complete. The only thing lacking now from full realization
of the same old high-handed Democrat war-losing strategy is humiliating
news footage of American helicopters leaving embassy roofs, with desperate
locals falling from the skids like raindrops. But we'll see that soon
enough.

Anybody else noticing the pattern here? Because more of us had better do so,
and quick. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to etc.

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cthulhu for President - why vote for the lesser evil?"

You wanna go back and fight the Vietnamese?
I do not think so,
you do not even want to go back to the times
Reagan actually supported Saddam.
Political bias can be renamed: Fred Stone
(sorry Fred, you were asking for it)
Peter van Velzen
July 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 13 Jul 2007 10:48:38 AM
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1184334075.484230.41820@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

On 11 jul, 02:14, Fred Stone <Nu...@Biznez.net> wrote:

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments

Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike

So let's see if I have this all figured out here.

After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous,
terror-sponsoring dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing
and/or murdering literally millions of his own hapless subjects and
those of neighboring Islamic kleptocracies. Terrorist attacks against
American interests were increasing in scope, audacity, and
deadliness. Clinton continued his bumptious shadowboxing routine,
with no discernible result....

....

Anybody else noticing the pattern here? Because more of us had better
do so, and quick. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to
etc.


You wanna go back and fight the Vietnamese?
I do not think so,
you do not even want to go back to the times
Reagan actually supported Saddam.

I'm aware of the time that Reagan sold Saddam weapons to use against the
Iranians. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're one of those who thinks
that "Realpolitik" is a good thing, so why do you keep claiming that it
was a bad idea when Reagan did it?

Political bias can be renamed: Fred Stone
(sorry Fred, you were asking for it)

Go ahead, call me names, you won't be the first or the last.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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User: ""

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 13 Jul 2007 04:02:46 PM
On 13 jul, 17:48, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:

"pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote innews:1184334075.484230.41820@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

On 11 jul, 02:14, Fred Stone <Nu...@Biznez.net> wrote:

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments


Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike


So let's see if I have this all figured out here.


After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous,
terror-sponsoring dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing
and/or murdering literally millions of his own hapless subjects and
those of neighboring Islamic kleptocracies. Terrorist attacks against
American interests were increasing in scope, audacity, and
deadliness. Clinton continued his bumptious shadowboxing routine,
with no discernible result....


...

Anybody else noticing the pattern here? Because more of us had better
do so, and quick. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to
etc.


You wanna go back and fight the Vietnamese?
I do not think so,
you do not even want to go back to the times
Reagan actually supported Saddam.


I'm aware of the time that Reagan sold Saddam weapons to use against the
Iranians. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're one of those who thinks
that "Realpolitik" is a good thing, so why do you keep claiming that it
was a bad idea when Reagan did it?

I am one of those who thinks that in order to get peace,
one should talk with the enemy.
I am not one who thinks one should fight a madman,
by arming his psychotic neigbour.
When Saddam attacked Iraq - notwithstanding the fact that I dislike
theocraties -
I thought the international comunity should have spoken out against
him,
and at least should have organized an arms boycot against Iraq.
I really had no idea that things would turn out the way they did.
I just thought that would be the moral thing to do.
Alas nobody cares about doing the moral thing,
they just want to kill the enemies of there persanal sky-pixy,
and try to tell us that love is an abomination
and that killing is heroic.
Maybe I should take a lightbeam to K-pax . . . .
Peter van Velzen
July 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Seeing the Pattern 14 Jul 2007 08:07:31 AM
wrote:

On 13 jul, 17:48, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:

"pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote
innews:1184334075.484230.41820@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

On 11 jul, 02:14, Fred Stone <Nu...@Biznez.net> wrote:

http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=8392#comments


Tue, July 10th, 2007 @ 10:19AM by Mike


So let's see if I have this all figured out here.


After more than ten years of empty bluster from both the UN and the
Clintonistas, Saddam remained a swaggering, villainous,
terror-sponsoring dictator - a brutal thug responsible for torturing
and/or murdering literally millions of his own hapless subjects and
those of neighboring Islamic kleptocracies. Terrorist attacks against
American interests were increasing in scope, audacity, and
deadliness. Clinton continued his bumptious shadowboxing routine,
with no discernible result....


...

Anybody else noticing the pattern here? Because more of us had better
do so, and quick. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to
etc.


You wanna go back and fight the Vietnamese?
I do not think so,
you do not even want to go back to the times
Reagan actually supported Saddam.


I'm aware of the time that Reagan sold Saddam weapons to use against the
Iranians. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're one of those who thinks
that "Realpolitik" is a good thing, so why do you keep claiming that it
was a bad idea when Reagan did it?


I am one of those who thinks that in order to get peace,
one should talk with the enemy.
I am not one who thinks one should fight a madman,
by arming his psychotic neigbour.

Jimmy Carter spent four hundred and forty four days talking to the
Ayatollahs and got nothing from them. THAT is what talking to the enemy is
good for unless the enemy knows, with absolute certainty, that you're
prepared to destroy him.

When Saddam attacked Iraq - notwithstanding the fact that I dislike
theocraties -
I thought the international comunity should have spoken out against
him, and at least should have organized an arms boycot against Iraq.

After the 1991 Gulf War the UN did organize a boycott ("sanctions") against
Iraq, providing only "humanitarian aid". Saddam bribed UN officials and
other Western politicians with the humanitarian aid money and spent the
rest of the money on palaces for himself and weapons for his army instead
of feeding his people. Then well-meaning idiots in the West blamed the
United States for holding the boycott because of Saddam's actions.

I really had no idea that things would turn out the way they did.
I just thought that would be the moral thing to do.