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Date: 19 Dec 2005 09:46:54 AM
Object: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker
Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker
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User: "cpt banjo"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 19 Dec 2005 10:01:50 AM
The original motto on our money was appropriate:
"Mind Your Business"
.
User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 19 Dec 2005 10:48:23 AM
cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"
.
User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 24 Dec 2005 07:59:50 AM
Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Spoken like a true Neo.
Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.
Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;
John 6:1-14 (KJV)
.
User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 24 Dec 2005 08:30:02 AM
"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)

Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!
.
User: "Unpleasant Truth"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 26 Dec 2005 02:06:15 AM
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"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)


Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!

If we want fables and fairy tales, we'll look to things like the idea that
liberalism helps people instead of enslaving them, that the constitution
requires "separation of church and state," that Al Gore won, etc.
.

User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 24 Dec 2005 12:04:32 PM
ZenIsWhen wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"


How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)



Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!


Actually that's rather a foolish thing to say. They mean what ever they
mean. They just have even less legal significance than quotations of
Thomas Jefferson taken out of context.
In the case of the above quoted scripture, it at least means you need to
plan your menu carefully for large gatherings unless you are the Prince
of Peace. I'm sure someone well versed in scripture can tell you several
things that it is supposed to mean. My point is the quotation means
something to everyone who reads it, even if the meaning is "balderdash"
as it seems to be for you.
Tuck in your hate and intolerance and someone might take what you have
to say seriously.
.

User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 28 Dec 2005 01:56:50 PM
ZenIsWhen wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)


Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!


Hi Zen,
The point to the post was that today's neo-christian-conservative
doesn't even adhere to what Christ was all about. He gave freely. That
means he was a liberal in heart and action.
It was a retort to "there's no free lunch."
Today's christian supports the conservative philosophy of "give to the
rich" and "take from the poor". As large companies get welfare and tax
relief well beyond that of the individual, I think Jesus was certainly
not a neo-con man like those of today.
Yes, it may be a fable...but they believe it. So by all means, teach
them that they aren't even true to their own beliefs except when it
benefits the prevailing political winds.
That's all.
.
User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 28 Dec 2005 03:15:19 PM
AcesLucky wrote:

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:Gucrf.811$TI6.385@fed1read03...

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)



Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!


Hi Zen,

The point to the post was that today's neo-christian-conservative
doesn't even adhere to what Christ was all about. He gave freely. That
means he was a liberal in heart and action.

It was a retort to "there's no free lunch."

Today's christian supports the conservative philosophy of "give to the
rich" and "take from the poor". As large companies get welfare and tax
relief well beyond that of the individual, I think Jesus was certainly
not a neo-con man like those of today.

I see your familiarity with Christian principles is nearly as complete
as your knowledge of the constitution. Christ said something to the
effect of rendering unto Caesar that which was Caesar's. The
pseudo-liberal mantra being render unto my constituents enough to buy
their vote in the next election cycle. Christ promoted the Golden Rule
treating others as one would wish to be treated. The pseudo-liberal
mantra do unto to others so they can't do unto you.
Modern Christian principles include the belief that any money given to
the government and targetted for the truly needy has a much chance of
getting to them as a camel does of passing through the eye of a needle.
Big government social programs are the problem not the solution.


Yes, it may be a fable...but they believe it. So by all means, teach
them that they aren't even true to their own beliefs except when it
benefits the prevailing political winds.

That's all.

.
User: "wbarwell"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 28 Dec 2005 10:16:15 PM
Mickey wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:Gucrf.811$TI6.385@fed1read03...

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)



Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!


Hi Zen,

The point to the post was that today's neo-christian-conservative
doesn't even adhere to what Christ was all about. He gave freely.
That means he was a liberal in heart and action.

It was a retort to "there's no free lunch."

Today's christian supports the conservative philosophy of "give to
the rich" and "take from the poor". As large companies get welfare
and tax relief well beyond that of the individual, I think Jesus
was certainly not a neo-con man like those of today.


I see your familiarity with Christian principles is nearly as
complete as your knowledge of the constitution.


God is a commie. Any questions?
Acts 4
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were
assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and
they spake the word of God with boldness.
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of
one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he
possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection
of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were
possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of
the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made
unto every man according as he had need.
You also don't know what christ preached, despite your stupid right
winged take on helping the poor.
Luke 14:26
"So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he
hath, he cannot be my disciple.
--
Happy Hogmanay!
Cheerful Charlie
.
User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 29 Dec 2005 03:35:18 PM
wbarwell wrote:

Mickey wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:Gucrf.811$TI6.385@fed1read03...

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)


Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!

Hi Zen,

The point to the post was that today's neo-christian-conservative
doesn't even adhere to what Christ was all about. He gave freely.
That means he was a liberal in heart and action.

It was a retort to "there's no free lunch."

Today's christian supports the conservative philosophy of "give to
the rich" and "take from the poor". As large companies get welfare
and tax relief well beyond that of the individual, I think Jesus
was certainly not a neo-con man like those of today.

I see your familiarity with Christian principles is nearly as
complete as your knowledge of the constitution.



God is a commie. Any questions?

Acts 4
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were
assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and
they spake the word of God with boldness.
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of
one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he
possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection
of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were
possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of
the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made
unto every man according as he had need.

You also don't know what christ preached, despite your stupid right
winged take on helping the poor.


Luke 14:26
"So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he
hath, he cannot be my disciple.



Now THAT was righteous!
Amen.
.


User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 29 Dec 2005 03:33:07 PM
Mickey wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:Gucrf.811$TI6.385@fed1read03...

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)



Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!


Hi Zen,

The point to the post was that today's neo-christian-conservative
doesn't even adhere to what Christ was all about. He gave freely. That
means he was a liberal in heart and action.

It was a retort to "there's no free lunch."

Today's christian supports the conservative philosophy of "give to the
rich" and "take from the poor". As large companies get welfare and tax
relief well beyond that of the individual, I think Jesus was certainly
not a neo-con man like those of today.


I see your familiarity with Christian principles is nearly as complete
as your knowledge of the constitution. Christ said something to the
effect of rendering unto Caesar that which was Caesar's. The

something to the effect? Your OWN familiarity is showing...

pseudo-liberal mantra being render unto my constituents enough to buy

Is that why the former republican house speaker is under indictment?

their vote in the next election cycle. Christ promoted the Golden Rule
treating others as one would wish to be treated. The pseudo-liberal
mantra do unto to others so they can't do unto you.

Thus the cuts to the needy while giving welfare to corporations? Do you
realize that oil companies have had extremely high profits AND
preferential tax breaks? Do you realize that low interest loans for
needy (but qualified) college kids have been drastically cut?
Is your head completely buried? Tax breaks for the rich doesn't sound
like "do unto others" to me. It sounds like "render unto my
"constituents". And it damn sure doesn't sound like Jesus. More like Rush.


Modern Christian principles include the belief that any money given to
the government and targetted for the truly needy has a much chance of
getting to them as a camel does of passing through the eye of a needle.
Big government social programs are the problem not the solution.

Riiiight. So give it to the rich instead. Brilliant!
That just about sums up everything you've said. It won't get to those
who need it, so give it to those who don't! You must be an Ace in Hole
for the Repugnican party because your thinking is bassackwards.
Just like a neo. Yea, Jesus would be proud to know you.
NOT!



Yes, it may be a fable...but they believe it. So by all means, teach
them that they aren't even true to their own beliefs except when it
benefits the prevailing political winds.

That's all.

.
User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 29 Dec 2005 08:33:33 PM
AcesLucky wrote:

Mickey wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:Gucrf.811$TI6.385@fed1read03...

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"



Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)




Fables and fairy tales mean nothing!


Hi Zen,

The point to the post was that today's neo-christian-conservative
doesn't even adhere to what Christ was all about. He gave freely.
That means he was a liberal in heart and action.

It was a retort to "there's no free lunch."

Today's christian supports the conservative philosophy of "give to
the rich" and "take from the poor". As large companies get welfare
and tax relief well beyond that of the individual, I think Jesus was
certainly not a neo-con man like those of today.



I see your familiarity with Christian principles is nearly as complete
as your knowledge of the constitution. Christ said something to the
effect of rendering unto Caesar that which was Caesar's. The



something to the effect? Your OWN familiarity is showing...

pseudo-liberal mantra being render unto my constituents enough to buy



Is that why the former republican house speaker is under indictment?

their vote in the next election cycle. Christ promoted the Golden Rule
treating others as one would wish to be treated. The pseudo-liberal
mantra do unto to others so they can't do unto you.



Thus the cuts to the needy while giving welfare to corporations? Do you
realize that oil companies have had extremely high profits AND
preferential tax breaks? Do you realize that low interest loans for
needy (but qualified) college kids have been drastically cut?

A cut to a Washington Dem is any retraint in the growth of any program
that buys him or her more votes.
You seem to be ignorant of one of the first rules of accounts. The truly
rich can afford better ones than the government. So all the feel good
social programs, which don't work anyway, are paid for by the middle
class and the working lower class.
By the way, do you know who owns corporations? Try pension plans,
retirees and people planning for their retirement. Try the employees of
the companies. You seem to have no understanding of basic economics.
You also seem to have failed your history class. Socialism doesn't work.
The Soviet Union is gone and China is moving away from socialism, if
slowly. The two most notable socialist hold out countries are N. Korea
and Cuba, which are not known as wonderful places to live. The plight of
Europe, unfortunately is a slide toward socialism which will turn
France, Germany, and Italy into third world countries, if their Muslim
under classes don't destroy them first.


Is your head completely buried? Tax breaks for the rich doesn't sound
like "do unto others" to me. It sounds like "render unto my
"constituents". And it damn sure doesn't sound like Jesus. More like Rush.



Modern Christian principles include the belief that any money given to
the government and targetted for the truly needy has a much chance of
getting to them as a camel does of passing through the eye of a needle.
Big government social programs are the problem not the solution.



Riiiight. So give it to the rich instead. Brilliant!

That just about sums up everything you've said. It won't get to those
who need it, so give it to those who don't! You must be an Ace in Hole
for the Repugnican party because your thinking is bassackwards.

Inspect and compare the books of any private organization doing 'good
works' to comparable government programs. The government loses
everytime, and the bureaocracy responsible for this waste votes solidly
Dem. Please to remove thy head from thy buttocks and do a little research.
.





User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 24 Dec 2005 11:56:28 AM
AcesLucky wrote:

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"



Spoken like a true Neo.

Neo?
How does a prefix speak?
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 25 Dec 2005 10:12:57 PM
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:56:28 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"



Spoken like a true Neo.


Neo?

How does a prefix speak?

Like Geo
.
User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 26 Dec 2005 01:12:22 AM
Michael Gray wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:56:28 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


AcesLucky wrote:


Mickey wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"


How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"



Spoken like a true Neo.


Neo?

How does a prefix speak?



Like Geo

Dio, mio
.



User: "wbarwell"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 24 Dec 2005 06:02:29 PM
AcesLucky wrote:

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)

Which of course did not happen.
See John 14:12-4.
Jesus promises you yo can work bigger miracles than
he did, in order to Glorify his father.
No free lunch ala John 14 unfortunately.
--
Wassail, Happy Holidays, Merry Solstice, Happy
Saturnalia, mull the wine and pass the eggnog.
Cheerful Charlie
.
User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 28 Dec 2005 02:32:58 PM
wbarwell wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)



Which of course did not happen.

You gotta admit, it makes for great movies!


See John 14:12-4.

Jesus promises you yo can work bigger miracles than
he did, in order to Glorify his father.

Yea, I keep asking for someone to show me their "immortality via belief"
but I can find no true Christians with faith the size of a mustard seed.
It's sad.


No free lunch ala John 14 unfortunately.


.
User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 28 Dec 2005 03:21:00 PM
AcesLucky wrote:



Yea, I keep asking for someone to show me their "immortality via belief"
but I can find no true Christians with faith the size of a mustard seed.

Then stop hanging out in leather bars.


It's sad.

True. Anybody else remember a joke about a one-eyed, three legged,
castrated dog named Lucky.
.

User: "wbarwell"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 28 Dec 2005 10:10:38 PM
AcesLucky wrote:

wbarwell wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)



Which of course did not happen.


You gotta admit, it makes for great movies!


See John 14:12-4.

Jesus promises you yo can work bigger miracles than
he did, in order to Glorify his father.


Yea, I keep asking for someone to show me their "immortality via
belief" but I can find no true Christians with faith the size of a
mustard seed.

It's sad.


No free lunch ala John 14 unfortunately.

Every once in a while I ask the christians, could
it be that the promises of great miracle working abilities
for christians is true but we just don't have any?
To be a Christian one should follow the commands
of Jesus and most of the Christians I know sure won't.
I haven't gotten a good answer to that yet.
John 14:12-14
12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works
that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.
13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Either these verses are not true or there are no real
christians anymore.
--
Happy Hogmanay!
Cheerful Charlie
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 29 Dec 2005 02:27:50 AM
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:10:38 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
:


John 14:12-14
12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works
that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.
13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Either these verses are not true or there are no real
christians anymore.

There never were any to start with.
.

User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 29 Dec 2005 03:51:13 PM
wbarwell wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

wbarwell wrote:

AcesLucky wrote:

Mickey wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Spoken like a true Neo.

Here's a little something (a free lunch) from the Old school.

Christ feeds five thousand men with five loaves and two fishes;

John 6:1-14 (KJV)


Which of course did not happen.

You gotta admit, it makes for great movies!

See John 14:12-4.

Jesus promises you yo can work bigger miracles than
he did, in order to Glorify his father.

Yea, I keep asking for someone to show me their "immortality via
belief" but I can find no true Christians with faith the size of a
mustard seed.

It's sad.

No free lunch ala John 14 unfortunately.


Every once in a while I ask the christians, could
it be that the promises of great miracle working abilities
for christians is true but we just don't have any?

To be a Christian one should follow the commands
of Jesus and most of the Christians I know sure won't.

I haven't gotten a good answer to that yet.

You're easier than I am. I don't want an answer, I want a demonstration.


John 14:12-14
12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works
that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.
13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Either these verses are not true or there are no real
christians anymore.

I was alluding to that to Mickey but it he missed it. But maybe he'll
give us a demonstration and prove us both wrong.
.





User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 19 Dec 2005 07:07:10 PM
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

cpt banjo wrote:

The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Or the Republican's proposal:
"Ignorance is Strength"
.
User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 19 Dec 2005 11:45:41 PM
Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"


How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"



Or the Republican's proposal:

"Ignorance is Strength"

Or the DNC motto
"Our Constituants are too Stupid to Notice That We've Been the Ones
Screwing Them All Along."
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 20 Dec 2005 01:47:38 AM
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:45:41 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"


How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"



Or the Republican's proposal:

"Ignorance is Strength"


Or the DNC motto

"Our Constituants are too Stupid to Notice That We've Been the Ones
Screwing Them All Along."

Nah. Would use too much metal.
They need that for cluster bombs to bring democracy to the world.
.
User: "Unpleasant Truth"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 20 Dec 2005 05:42:38 AM
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:gndfq1lhvnbtg89811buacgfp8a3pon3e3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:45:41 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"


How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"



Or the Republican's proposal:

"Ignorance is Strength"


Or the DNC motto

"Our Constituants are too Stupid to Notice That We've Been the Ones
Screwing Them All Along."


Nah. Would use too much metal.
They need that for cluster bombs to bring democracy to the world.

I guess we need to be more like Democrats and use massive fire bombing and
nukes. It worked in Germany and Japan.
.
User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 24 Dec 2005 08:18:06 AM
Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:gndfq1lhvnbtg89811buacgfp8a3pon3e3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:45:41 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Or the Republican's proposal:

"Ignorance is Strength"

Or the DNC motto

"Our Constituants are too Stupid to Notice That We've Been the Ones
Screwing Them All Along."

Nah. Would use too much metal.
They need that for cluster bombs to bring democracy to the world.


I guess we need to be more like Democrats and use massive fire bombing and
nukes. It worked in Germany and Japan.


Or better still, just keep racking up trillion dollar debts, (much of
which is now owed to China), while the REAL enemy continues to make home
videos at leisure, and we will have effectively nuked ourselves!
Ain't this Repugnant leadership, devoid of our traditional checks and
balances, great?
.
User: "Unpleasant Truth"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 26 Dec 2005 01:48:28 AM
"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:PLcrf.813$TI6.261@fed1read03...

Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:gndfq1lhvnbtg89811buacgfp8a3pon3e3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:45:41 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"


Or the Republican's proposal:

"Ignorance is Strength"

Or the DNC motto

"Our Constituants are too Stupid to Notice That We've Been the Ones
Screwing Them All Along."

Nah. Would use too much metal.
They need that for cluster bombs to bring democracy to the world.


I guess we need to be more like Democrats and use massive fire bombing

and

nukes. It worked in Germany and Japan.



Or better still, just keep racking up trillion dollar debts, (much of
which is now owed to China), while the REAL enemy continues to make home
videos at leisure, and we will have effectively nuked ourselves!

So you support drilling in ANWR and off our coasts to cut our trade
deficits? And you support serious Social Security and Medicare reform?
If you don't, you have no standing to complain about our debts.

Ain't this Repugnant leadership, devoid of our traditional checks and
balances, great?

Oh, we have more than enough "checks and balances" that the left wing
Democrats, joined by a handful of moron Republicans, were able to take
huge strides toward rebuilding the Clinton/Gorelick Wall which ensured
9/11 could not be prevented, and to try to make the case that American
"citizens" who are working with al Qaeda have the "constitutional right"
to get their marching orders without being eavesdropped on.
The ironic thing is that when the terrorists hit again, the victims will
overwhelmingly be liberal Democrats, who make up a large majority of our
biggest cities - and biggest targets. And afterwards, no Democrat will
ever win another federal election and our civil liberties will REALLY be
jeopardized. All thanks to the deranged, left wing Bush haters.
.
User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 28 Dec 2005 02:27:37 PM
Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:PLcrf.813$TI6.261@fed1read03...

Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:gndfq1lhvnbtg89811buacgfp8a3pon3e3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:45:41 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Or the Republican's proposal:

"Ignorance is Strength"

Or the DNC motto

"Our Constituants are too Stupid to Notice That We've Been the Ones
Screwing Them All Along."

Nah. Would use too much metal.
They need that for cluster bombs to bring democracy to the world.

I guess we need to be more like Democrats and use massive fire bombing

and

nukes. It worked in Germany and Japan.


Or better still, just keep racking up trillion dollar debts, (much of
which is now owed to China), while the REAL enemy continues to make home
videos at leisure, and we will have effectively nuked ourselves!


So you support drilling in ANWR and off our coasts to cut our trade
deficits? And you support serious Social Security and Medicare reform?
If you don't, you have no standing to complain about our debts.

Really? The debts came from unchecked spending. See, all three branches
of government are now republican and so there is no oversight.
The debt is the result of OVER SPENDING while significantly reducing
revenues from the wealthy and corporate base.
The government got a big pay cut, while the wealthy got a big pay raise.
It's that simple. There is no trickle down effect.


Ain't this Repugnant leadership, devoid of our traditional checks and
balances, great?


Oh, we have more than enough "checks and balances" that the left wing
Democrats, joined by a handful of moron Republicans, were able to take
huge strides toward rebuilding the Clinton/Gorelick Wall which ensured
9/11 could not be prevented, and to try to make the case that American
"citizens" who are working with al Qaeda have the "constitutional right"
to get their marching orders without being eavesdropped on.

Huh?


The ironic thing is that when the terrorists hit again, the victims will
overwhelmingly be liberal Democrats, who make up a large majority of our
biggest cities - and biggest targets. And afterwards, no Democrat will
ever win another federal election and our civil liberties will REALLY be
jeopardized. All thanks to the deranged, left wing Bush haters.


Uh, 9-11 happened on Bush's watch, in spite of plenty of warning. And
giving away all our resources to the rich, and spending them on a war
against people who didn't attack us, has nothing to do with democrats.
The man lied, period.
Nothing you say follows any logic.
Put it this way: where would we be if we continue in this same
direction? A few more trillion down the hole? We will have no economy.
We'd be just another third world country except with nukes.
And when the terrorists hit again, the Bush's will probably be spending
the evening with the bin Laden's over dinner the way they were the first
time. Get a clue.
We can't take 4 more years of this crap.
.
User: "Unpleasant Truth"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 01 Jan 2006 12:50:23 PM
"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:cyCsf.6$eR.1@fed1read03...

Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:PLcrf.813$TI6.261@fed1read03...

Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:gndfq1lhvnbtg89811buacgfp8a3pon3e3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:45:41 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Or the Republican's proposal:

"Ignorance is Strength"

Or the DNC motto

"Our Constituants are too Stupid to Notice That We've Been the

Ones

Screwing Them All Along."

Nah. Would use too much metal.
They need that for cluster bombs to bring democracy to the world.

I guess we need to be more like Democrats and use massive fire

bombing

and

nukes. It worked in Germany and Japan.


Or better still, just keep racking up trillion dollar debts, (much of
which is now owed to China), while the REAL enemy continues to make

home

videos at leisure, and we will have effectively nuked ourselves!


So you support drilling in ANWR and off our coasts to cut our trade
deficits? And you support serious Social Security and Medicare

reform?

If you don't, you have no standing to complain about our debts.


Really? The debts came from unchecked spending. See, all three branches
of government are now republican and so there is no oversight.

Do you have to work at being so stupid or does it come naturally?
The Republicans have a bare majority in the House and Senate, especially
considering the number of liberal Republicans in the latter. Have you
been asleep during the past 5 years as Democrats have engaged in totally
unprecedented filibustering to obstruct Bush's judicial nominees? The
Democrats have also blocked meaningful budget cuts, drilling in ANWR (as I
mentioned above - do you even read what you reply to?), Social Security
reform, tort reform, vouchers - all of which would cut spending.
As for the courts, we still have 4 hard left liberals (even if 2 of them
were appointed by moderate Republicans) and 2 left leaning "moderates" on
the Supreme Court. We will soon replace one left leaning "moderate" with
a conservative, but that still leaves us with a left wing court.

The debt is the result of OVER SPENDING while significantly reducing
revenues from the wealthy and corporate base.

You are right that we are grossly overspending on social welfare programs.
But Democrats have NEVER proposed any serious cuts in those programs. And
they squeal like the stuck pigs they are when Republicans propose - not
cuts - but miniscule reductions in the rate of growth.
As for revenues - you're totally wrong. Revenues are up - as almost
always happens when tax rates are cut.

The government got a big pay cut, while the wealthy got a big pay raise.
It's that simple. There is no trickle down effect.

1. You're stuck on stupid. Revenues dropped as a result of the Clinton
recession and 9/11. Almost every sane economist (the "sane" is there to
exclude the likes of Krugman) agrees the tax cuts were instrumental in
bringing the economy back.
2. The government needs a large pay cut, and concomitant cuts in domestic
social welfare spending.
3. Getting to keep your own money is not a pay raise. If you employ a
thief who's been embezzling from your company, when he gets caught, did
you just get a pay raise?
3. Everyone benefited from the tax cuts - the poorest benefited the most
in terms of percentage (which I oppose, since people should be taxed based
on principles of equality not Marxism). The poor also benefit from a
growing economy. The major problem facing the poor is their own bad
behavior - encouraged by the left wing welfare state (drug use,
illegitimacy, boys brought up without fathers) and a ***** poor public
school system - also courtesy of the left, who won't even give the poor
the vouchers they want.

Ain't this Repugnant leadership, devoid of our traditional checks and
balances, great?


Oh, we have more than enough "checks and balances" that the left wing
Democrats, joined by a handful of moron Republicans, were able to take
huge strides toward rebuilding the Clinton/Gorelick Wall which ensured
9/11 could not be prevented, and to try to make the case that American
"citizens" who are working with al Qaeda have the "constitutional

right"

to get their marching orders without being eavesdropped on.


Huh?

What exactly do you need explained? You haven't heard of the Democrats'
obstruction of the Patriot Act or Democrat outrage that the NSA monitors
phone calls between Al Qaeda and American traitors?

The ironic thing is that when the terrorists hit again, the victims

will

overwhelmingly be liberal Democrats, who make up a large majority of

our

biggest cities - and biggest targets. And afterwards, no Democrat

will

ever win another federal election and our civil liberties will REALLY

be

jeopardized. All thanks to the deranged, left wing Bush haters.


Uh, 9-11 happened on Bush's watch, in spite of plenty of warning.

Every one of the terrorists who executed the 9/11 attacks was in the
country under Clinton's watch. The plans were all complete under
Clinton's watch. Bin Laden was handed over on a silver platter but
Clinton deliberately let him go. Clinton then deliberately turned down a
number of excellent opportunities to kill bin Laden after he had let him
escape to Afghanistan. Clinton's AG and Deputy AG put up the wall to
protect Clinton from investigation for taking illegal campaign
contributions from our other enemy - the Red Chinese Army (gee, now why do
you think all our enemies wanted Clinton to be in office and not a
Republican, hmm?). That wall made it impossible to prevent 9/11. You
think somehow 9/11 would not have happened if Gore had won instead of
lost? 9/11 would have happened the same. What would have been different
is the Taliban would still be running Afghanistan and Saddam would still
be in power, closer to having nukes than Iran is now.
Does Bush share any of the blame for 9/11? Absolutely. He should have
fired every Clinton appointee he could and reassigned all the rest to
remote outposts around the world where they could not have done any more
harm. He should have rescinded EVERY executive order Clinton ever made,
and directives his underlings made - including putting up the wall.
Unfortunately, Bush was distracted by the attempted coup launched by Gore,
which delayed the transition into office by months. He also had to deal
with the Clinton recession and his stock market crash. (By contrast,
Clinton had NO problems facing him when he entered office. Clinton left
America far worse off than when he came in.)

And
giving away all our resources to the rich, and spending them on a war
against people who didn't attack us, has nothing to do with democrats.
The man lied, period.

Your Marxist ideology is showing again. Letting people keep the money
they EARN is not "giving away all our resources to the rich." The federal
government takes 20% of GDP. That's way too much. And way too little of
our GDP is spent on national security.

Nothing you say follows any logic.

Put it this way: where would we be if we continue in this same
direction? A few more trillion down the hole? We will have no economy.
We'd be just another third world country except with nukes.

Not because of our measly defense spending. It's the unconstitutional,
left wing social welfare programs - Social Security and Medicare - that
are bankrupting us. Just look at what's happening in Old Europe and
Japan. They spend nothing on defense and they're going bankrupt faster
than we are - because they're more leftist than we are.
Apparently you don't pay any attention to the news either. The
Republicans just tried to cut spending. Democrats squealed like the stuck
pigs they are and blocked it.

And when the terrorists hit again, the Bush's will probably be spending
the evening with the bin Laden's over dinner the way they were the first
time. Get a clue.

You're an *****. Why did Clinton keep letting bin Laden go? Maybe he was
taking campaign contributions from al Qaeda, the same way he took them
from the Red Chinese. The Chinese got our nuclear missile technology in
exchange. Maybe bin Laden got his freedom - to kill us.

We can't take 4 more years of this crap.

You're rather have Democrats back in charge? Instead of building our
national security up, the Democrats are trying to dismantle it - the way
they've been doing for 40 years. They want to put Gorelick's wall back up
and they want constitutional protection for American traitors to make
phone calls with al Qaeda without being tapped. (And if we catch any
traitors, the Democrat can just pardon them, like Clinton did.) Is that
what the Democrat constituency has become?
Sadly, it appears so. Democrats - except for a very few exceptions - are
not serious about our national security. That's why we can never trust
them with it again.
.
User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Seeking a God-free America? By Gina Parker 01 Jan 2006 04:28:56 PM
Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:cyCsf.6$eR.1@fed1read03...

Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:PLcrf.813$TI6.261@fed1read03...

Unpleasant Truth wrote:

"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:gndfq1lhvnbtg89811buacgfp8a3pon3e3@4ax.com...

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:45:41 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:48:23 GMT, Mickey
<mickey_and_edith@nomorephishsbcglobal.net> wrote:


cpt banjo wrote:


The original motto on our money was appropriate:

"Mind Your Business"

How about Robert Heinlein's proposed anti-newdeal motto
"There Ain't No Free Lunch"

Or the Republican's proposal:

"Ignorance is Strength"

Or the DNC motto

"Our Constituants are too Stupid to Notice That We've Been the

Ones

Screwing Them All Along."

Nah. Would use too much metal.
They need that for cluster bombs to bring democracy to the world.

I guess we need to be more like Democrats and use massive fire

bombing

and

nukes. It worked in Germany and Japan.


Or better still, just keep racking up trillion dollar debts, (much of
which is now owed to China), while the REAL enemy continues to make

home

videos at leisure, and we will have effectively nuked ourselves!

So you support drilling in ANWR and off our coasts to cut our trade
deficits? And you support serious Social Security and Medicare

reform?

If you don't, you have no standing to complain about our debts.

Really? The debts came from unchecked spending. See, all three branches
of government are now republican and so there is no oversight.


Do you have to work at being so stupid or does it come naturally?

The Republicans have a bare majority in the House and Senate, especially
considering the number of liberal Republicans in the latter. Have you
been asleep during the past 5 years as Democrats have engaged in totally
unprecedented filibustering to obstruct Bush's judicial nominees? The
Democrats have also blocked meaningful budget cuts, drilling in ANWR (as I
mentioned above - do you even read what you reply to?), Social Security
reform, tort reform, vouchers - all of which would cut spending.

As for the courts, we still have 4 hard left liberals (even if 2 of them
were appointed by moderate Republicans) and 2 left leaning "moderates" on
the Supreme Court. We will soon replace one left leaning "moderate" with
a conservative, but that still leaves us with a left wing court.

The debt is the result of OVER SPENDING while significantly reducing
revenues from the wealthy and corporate base.


You are right that we are grossly overspending on social welfare programs.
But Democrats have NEVER proposed any serious cuts in those programs. And
they squeal like the stuck pigs they are when Republicans propose - not
cuts - but miniscule reductions in the rate of growth.

As for revenues - you're totally wrong. Revenues are up - as almost
always happens when tax rates are cut.

The government got a big pay cut, while the wealthy got a big pay raise.
It's that simple. There is no trickle down effect.


1. You're stuck on stupid. Revenues dropped as a result of the Clinton
recession and 9/11. Almost every sane economist (the "sane" is there to
exclude the likes of Krugman) agrees the tax cuts were instrumental in
bringing the economy back.
2. The government needs a large pay cut, and concomitant cuts in domestic
social welfare spending.
3. Getting to keep your own money is not a pay raise. If you employ a
thief who's been embezzling from your company, when he gets caught, did
you just get a pay raise?
3. Everyone benefited from the tax cuts - the poorest benefited the most
in terms of percentage (which I oppose, since people should be taxed based
on principles of equality not Marxism). The poor also benefit from a
growing economy. The major problem facing the poor is their own bad
behavior - encouraged by the left wing welfare state (drug use,
illegitimacy, boys brought up without fathers) and a ***** poor public
school system - also courtesy of the left, who won't even give the poor
the vouchers they want.

Ain't this Repugnant leadership, devoid of our traditional checks and
balances, great?

Oh, we have more than enough "checks and balances" that the left wing
Democrats, joined by a handful of moron Republicans, were able to take
huge strides toward rebuilding the Clinton/Gorelick Wall which ensured
9/11 could not be prevented, and to try to make the case that American
"citizens" who are working with al Qaeda have the "constitutional

right"

to get their marching orders without being eavesdropped on.

Huh?


What exactly do you need explained? You haven't heard of the Democrats'
obstruction of the Patriot Act or Democrat outrage that the NSA monitors
phone calls between Al Qaeda and American traitors?

The ironic thing is that when the terrorists hit again, the victims

will

overwhelmingly be liberal Democrats, who make up a large majority of

our

biggest cities - and biggest targets. And afterwards, no Democrat

will

ever win another federal election and our civil liberties will REALLY

be

jeopardized. All thanks to the deranged, left wing Bush haters.

Uh, 9-11 happened on Bush's watch, in spite of plenty of warning.


Every one of the terrorists who executed the 9/11 attacks was in the
country under Clinton's watch. The plans were all complete under
Clinton's watch. Bin Laden was handed over on a silver platter but
Clinton deliberately let him go. Clinton then deliberately turned down a
number of excellent opportunities to kill bin Laden after he had let him
escape to Afghanistan. Clinton's AG and Deputy AG put up the wall to
protect Clinton from investigation for taking illegal campaign
contributions from our other enemy - the Red Chinese Army (gee, now why do
you think all our enemies wanted Clinton to be in office and not a
Republican, hmm?). That wall made it impossible to prevent 9/11. You
think somehow 9/11 would not have happened if Gore had won instead of
lost? 9/11 would have happened the same. What would have been different
is the Taliban would still be running Afghanistan and Saddam would still
be in power, closer to having nukes than Iran is now.

Does Bush share any of the blame for 9/11? Absolutely. He should have
fired every Clinton appointee he could and reassigned all the rest to
remote outposts around the world where they could not have done any more
harm. He should have rescinded EVERY executive order Clinton ever made,
and directives his underlings made - including putting up the wall.
Unfortunately, Bush was distracted by the attempted coup launched by Gore,
which delayed the transition into office by months. He also had to deal
with the Clinton recession and his stock market crash. (By contrast,
Clinton had NO problems facing him when he entered office. Clinton left
America far worse off than when he came in.)

And
giving away all our resources to the rich, and spending them on a war
against people who didn't attack us, has nothing to do with democrats.
The man lied, period.


Your Marxist ideology is showing again. Letting people keep the money
they EARN is not "giving away all our resources to the rich." The federal
government takes 20% of GDP. That's way too much. And way too little of
our GDP is spent on national security.

Nothing you say follows any logic.

Put it this way: where would we be if we continue in this same
direction? A few more trillion down the hole? We will have no economy.
We'd be just another third world country except with nukes.


Not because of our measly defense spending. It's the unconstitutional,
left wing social welfare programs - Social Security and Medicare - that
are bankrupting us. Just look at what's happening in Old Europe and
Japan. They spend nothing on defense and they're going bankrupt faster
than we are - because they're more leftist than we are.

Apparently you don't pay any attention to the news either. The
Republicans just tried to cut spending. Democrats squealed like the stuck
pigs they are and blocked it.

And when the terrorists hit again, the Bush's will probably be spending
the evening with the bin Laden's over dinner the way they were the first
time. Get a clue.


You're an *****. Why did Clinton keep letting bin Laden go? Maybe he was
taking campaign contributions from al Qaeda, the same way he took them
from the Red Chinese. The Chinese got our nuclear missile technology in
exchange. Maybe bin Laden got his freedom - to kill us.

We can't take 4 more years of this crap.


You're rather have Democrats back in charge? Instead of building our
national security up, the Democrats are trying to dismantle it - the way
they've been doing for 40 years. They want to put Gorelick's wall back up
and they want constitutional protection for American traitors to make
phone calls with al Qaeda without being tapped. (And if we catch any
traitors, the Democrat can just pardon them, like Clinton did.) Is that
what the Democrat constituency has become?

Sadly, it appears so. Democrats - except for a very few exceptions - are
not serious about our national security. That's why we can never trust
them with it again.


Sounds like you've been listening to too much Rush. You surely think
that what you're saying is the truth. Virtually none of it is. You've
blamed the last 5 years on Clinton! (Are you aware of that?)
You could only get that way by being a ditto head.
Terrorists attack us on Bush's watch, you say it was Clinton's fault.
Ditto head.
The surplus Clinton gave Bush turns to red ink (with the greatest pork
in the last budget this country has ever seen, replete with Republican
special interest programs) and you still blame it on Clinton? Ditto head.
You accuse me of Socialism and Marxism, which I never mentioned, and you
blame social programs to help the less fortunate on Socialism? Ditto head.
You hallucinate that Democrats aren't interested in our national
security??? What the hell? You're so completely brainwashed that you
probably think Democrats and Liberals alike to be unpatriotic. (Did I
guess right?) Ditto head.
It's pure brainwashing, and you're a vacuous victim. Practically
everything you said was false! You could only get that way by allowing
someone else to do your thinking and learning FOR you.
Repeat after me:
Clinton is no longer the President.
Clinton is no longer the President.
Clinton is no longer the President.
(But when he was, we had great prosperity and a balanced budget.)
We are in this morass because there are no checks and balances against
the right wing ideology. And if we continue in this direction we will be
so bankrupt that all this conversation will be moot.. BECAUSE WE WILL NO
LONGER MATTER!
We'll be so bankrupt we may never recover.
By the way, I'm a capitalist. But you're confusing capitalism with
plutocracy by way of Corporatism.
"Corporatism or neo-corporatism is often used popularly as a pejorative
term in reference to perceived tendencies in politics for legislators
and administrations to be influenced or dominated by the interests of
business enterprises."
"In this view, government decisions are seen as being influenced
strongly by which sorts of policies will lead to greater profits for
favored companies."
See how you got mixed up? You're listening to Rush who has brainwashed
you into believing that corporatism is actually capitalism.
Food for thought:
"While communism is the control of business by government, fascism is
the control of government by business,"... "My American Heritage
Dictionary defines fascism as 'a system of government that exercises a
dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of
state and business leadership together with belligerent nationalism.'
Sound familiar?"
--
"It is always simply a matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
Quote from: Hitler's propaganda chief Herman Goerring
--
"...fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it
is the merger of state and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini
Wake up. It's all been done before. And grow up. Us freedom loving
liberals love our country too. We're just not willing to give up our
freedom to religious hallucinations and plutocratic leaders.
PS: Go tell your leader to quit dicking around and get Osama.
Have a nice day.
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