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Lars Eighner wrote:

In our last episode,
<W46dneDSS71tFWvbnZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d@comcast.com>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:

From;

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/worship.html

Masters of Existence
Description, Justification, Philosophies Satanism

"Everything I have created myself, through my sensors,
stored in my brain, effected by my mechanics and is only
imagined and recalled within my own self. My entire
subjective universe is created by me, no one else! I am the
one who chooses what I label as good or bad, I am the
designator of morality and existence, I am God."

If you are looking for defenders of solipsism in
alt.atheism, you are
barking up the wrong tree. Satan is a xtian diety and is as
big a zero to
atheists as any of the other xtian gods.

The atheist god is self... no denying it.

Well, at least there's more evidence for the existence of that
god than yours.

Hardly.

There's more evidence for the existence of the chair I'm sitting
in than for the existence of your god.

That chair you're squatting in is evidence of God.

Really? So why do you hate faith so much?

I don't.

But you have no faith in god. I thought faith was supposed to be a
big thing with you guys, but apparently you're surrounded with
concrete evidence of god so you have no need of faith. I mean, if a
chair proves that god exists, then faith is utterly moot. >
In finding evidence of god everywhere you look, you've eliminated
faith in favor of empirical evidence.

Nonsense. I have faith that God fulfills His promises.

But not in his existence. You KNOW god exists, so you need no faith
for that, right?

Right. I await the sick twist you will now attempt.

Is it sick, or is it simply logical?

Ah, the old if its logic it has to be logical ploy.
Logic's achilles' heel is in its prime maxim: any true positive argument
can be countered by an equally true negative one. Live and learn, eh?

And your equally true negative one is...?

You.

So basically you don't have a negative one. Ok.

Why do you have faith the god fulfills its promises? I assume you have
no evidence that it does.

One example: God promised that if the people Israel disobeyed His
commandments He'd send them into exile... promise fulfilled.

So you have evidence that the god fulfills its promises too. Is that the
only piece of evidence you have?

Hardly but its more than enough.

Enough for what? Proof?

U betcha.

Ok.

Then what need have you for faith if you have proof?

Without faith progres comes to a screeching halt.

That's a big non-sequiter, unless you have some kind of rational to back
that assertion up. As it is, it doesn't make any sense.

But wait, isn't fulfilling its promises part of your definition of
god, and so if my chair proves that god exists, it also by definition
proves that the god fulfills its promises? I don't see where you need
faith at all.

I have faith that the chair you're sitting on will rise up and lop your
moronic head off. Now gather up your straw man and take a hike.

Well, granted, it may be a strawman, but only because you're irrational.

Projection is your strong suit.

You have not shown that yet.

So you pray.

No, that's your job. You can pray that I'm projecting, but I doubt that
makes it so.

Logically it's sound, but you can apparently hold contradictory beliefs,
so logic doesn't apply.

Above.

Neither does reason.

Reason lies and yours seems to be working overtime.

"Reason lies."

Does that mean you eschew reason?

No. That is impossible to do.

So, are you saying it's impossible for you to not lie?

you're saying, but that's the logical result of claiming that reason lies,
and that you employ reason. You must also think that rational people lie
because they're rational.>
Is this the case?

Perhaps you don't hate faith, but just have no use for it?

There is no choice. Faith is inherent in the human condition.

But you do have a choice whether you view faith as an unfortunate
necessity, or as a glorious thing in and of itself.

Irrelevant. Like your moronic fantasy trips into the world of twisted
logic.

The logic is sound.

Oxymoron.

No.

So you pray.

Again, that's your job. You may pray that I've uttered an oxymoron, but that
doesn't make it so.

It says volumes that you can't actually point out where

it's wrong.

Pointed out above.

Actually no such thing occurred.

So you pray.

No, so any unbiased observer can attest.