Religions > Atheism > Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required
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Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required |
"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you can
look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
- Pol Pot
Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole atheist
thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
smart-asses?
H.B.
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29 May 2004 02:02:13 PM |
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On 28-May-2004, (William) wrote:
It's something ordinary decent humans know without having to be told.
It is the ordinary human characteristic of empathy and sensitivity to
others which is the basis of a working society.
what about the hangover? I suppose that it would last longer than the guilt
from listening to the sermon...
H.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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29 May 2004 03:15:28 PM |
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 19:02:13 GMT, wrote:
On 28-May-2004, (William) wrote:
It's something ordinary decent humans know without having to be told.
It is the ordinary human characteristic of empathy and sensitivity to
others which is the basis of a working society.
what about the hangover? I suppose that it would last longer than the guilt
What about the hangover? Never had one & have been told I should have.
from listening to the sermon...
Now why should anyone let anybody else lay a guilt trip on them when they
have done nothing to earn one? Bizarre indeed that animal called xianity, &
it has spawned some bizarre personality's on the news groups.
H.
walksalone who has never understood why bleaters insist on staying were
their claimed god told them not to, but then, he is not a bleater.
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Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the
wicked for the day of evil.
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29 May 2004 02:57:35 PM |
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On 29-May-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
What about the hangover? Never had one & have been told I should have.
Have you just stayed *drunk* for all that time?
Now why should anyone let anybody else lay a guilt trip on them when they
have done nothing to earn one? Bizarre indeed that animal called xianity,
&
it has spawned some bizarre personality's on the news groups.
Guilt is just your conscience telling you that you're doing something wrong.
It's pain for your soul, just like physical pain telling you that it's about
time you stopped leaning on the hot stove. It's a healthy response. However,
like physical pain, some guilt is inappropriate and should be uh... treated.
Bizarre? Anyone I know?
H.
"Why are the nations in an uproar
And the peoples devising a vain thing?
The kings of the earth take their stand
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
'Let us tear their fetters apart
And cast away their cords from us!'
He who sits in the heavens laughs,
The Lord scoffs at them."
(Psalm 2)
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| User: "walksalone" |
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29 May 2004 03:41:58 PM |
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 19:57:35 GMT, wrote:
On 29-May-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
What about the hangover? Never had one & have been told I should have.
Have you just stayed *drunk* for all that time?
No, & you?
Now why should anyone let anybody else lay a guilt trip on them when they
have done nothing to earn one? Bizarre indeed that animal called xianity,
&
it has spawned some bizarre personality's on the news groups.
Guilt is just your conscience telling you that you're doing something wrong.
Like I said, why let anyone lay a guilt rip on you, especially if it is
not yours. As in this case. What you think of as wrong works for you, but
you are not the metronome for society, any society.
You are not even the weathervane.
It's pain for your soul, just like physical pain telling you that it's about
time you stopped leaning on the hot stove. It's a healthy response. However,
Now, there is a thought, so, when did you stop leaning on hot stoves? Never
needed told myself.
like physical pain, some guilt is inappropriate and should be uh... treated.
Ya know, I don't think you meant what I just read. As to my conscience, it
will let me know what it thinks, & I will take action required, if any, on
my own like I have always done since adulthood.
Bizarre? Anyone I know?
If you haven't spotted them by now, you may well be one of them.
H.
snip grimorie babble.
Let's try for something pleasant for a change.
Sir Robert seems about right.
Can you do this, not do you think you can, but can you?
The Soldier of Fortune
"Deny your God!" they ringed me with their spears;
Blood-crazed were they, and reeking from the strife;
Hell-hot their hate, and venom-fanged their sneers,
And one man spat on me and nursed a knife.
And there was I, sore wounded and alone,
I, the last living of my slaughtered band.
Oh sinister the sky, and cold as stone!
In one red laugh of horror reeled the land.
And dazed and desperate I faced their spears,
And like a flame out-leaped that naked knife,
And like a serpent stung their bitter jeers:
"Deny your God, and we will give you life."
Deny my God! Oh life was very sweet!
And it is hard in youth and hope to die;
And there my comrades dear lay at my feet,
And in that blear of blood soon must I lie.
And yet . . . I almost laughed, it seemed so odd,
For long and long had I not vainly tried
To reason out and body forth my God,
And prayed for light, and doubted, and DENIED:
Denied the Being I could not conceive,
Denied a life-to-be beyond the grave. . . .
And now they ask me, who do not believe,
Just to deny, to voice my doubt, to save
This life of mine that sings so in the sun,
The bloom of youth yet red upon my cheek,
My only life!, O fools! 'tis easy done,
I will deny . . . and yet I do not speak.
"Deny your God!" their spears are all agleam,
And I can see their eyes with blood-lust shine;
Their snarling voices shrill into a scream,
And, mad to slay, they quiver for the sign.
Deny my God! yes, I could do it well;
Yet if I did, what of my race, my name?
How they would spit on me, these dogs of hell!
Spurn me, and put on me the brand of shame.
A white man's honour! what of that, I say?
Shall these black curs cry "Coward" in my face?
They who would perish for their gods of clay --
Shall I defile my country and my race?
My country! what's my country to me now?
Soldier of Fortune, free and far I roam;
All men are brothers in my heart, I vow;
The wide and wondrous world is all my home.
My country! reverent of her splendid Dead,
Her heroes proud, her martyrs pierced with pain:
For me her puissant blood was vainly shed;
For me her drums of battle beat in vain,
And free I fare, half-heedless of her fate:
No faith, no flag I owe, then why not seek
This last loop-hole of life? Why hesitate?
I will deny . . . and yet I do not speak.
"Deny your God!" their spears are poised on high,
And tense and terrible they wait the word;
And dark and darker glooms the dreary sky,
And in that hush of horror no thing stirred.
Then, through the ringing terror and sheer hate
Leaped there a vision to me, Oh, how far!
A face, Her face . . . through all my stormy fate
A joy, a strength, a glory and a star.
Beneath the pines, where lonely camp-fires gleam,
In seas forlorn, amid the deserts drear,
How I had gladdened to that face of dream!
And never, never had it seemed so dear.
O silken hair that veils the sunny brow!
O eyes of grey, so tender and so true!
O lips of smiling sweetness! must I now
For ever and for ever go from you?
Ah, yes, I must . . . for if I do this thing,
How can I look into your face again?
Knowing you think me more than half a king,
I with my craven heart, my honour slain.
No! no! my mind's made up. I gaze above,
Into that sky insensate as a stone;
Not for my creed, my country, but my Love
Will I stand up and meet my death alone.
Then though it be to utter dark I sink,
The God that dwells in me is not denied;
"Best" triumphs over "Beast",, and so I think
Humanity itself is glorified. . . .
"And now, my butchers, I embrace my fate.
Come! let my heart's blood slake the thirsty sod.
Curst be the life you offer! Glut your hate!
Strike! Strike, you dogs! I'll NOT deny my God."
I saw the spears that seemed a-leap to slay,
All quiver earthward at the headman's nod;
And in a daze of dream I heard him say:
"Go, set him free who serves so well his God!"
walksalone who doubts many, if any, xians can do that.
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"You know you have created God in your own image, when you find
that your God hates the same people that you do."
Author unknown?
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29 May 2004 05:21:57 PM |
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On 29-May-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Have you just stayed *drunk* for all that time?
No, & you?
No, I get hangovers. Talk about a guilty conscience...
Like I said, why let anyone lay a guilt rip on you, especially if it is
not yours.
I, acknowledging the fact that *I*, myself am not omnipotent, respect and
value the thoughts, knowledge and experience of others. And, believing in a
source of wisdom and love that trancends this life, I especially respect the
input of those who have studied and sacrificed to become authorities in that
source.
Now, there is a thought, so, when did you stop leaning on hot stoves?
Never
needed told myself.
Surely you've learned things by trial and error? Where you born all-knowing?
What did you need parents for?
Ya know, I don't think you meant what I just read. As to my conscience, it
will let me know what it thinks, & I will take action required, if any, on
my own like I have always done since adulthood.
Our moral consciences are formed by our experiences, our educations. We hope
that we all turn out with one that keeps us on a good path through life.
Everyone's conscience is underpinned by the natural law, but for some folks,
that isn't enough, they learn how to file certain things (like guilt) away
and forget about them. These are called 'bad people'
"Go, set him free who serves so well his God!"
walksalone who doubts many, if any, xians can do that.
Nice! I like that!
And, you shouldn't doubt, because history is crowded with Christian martyrs
who did just that.
Hey, let's turn it around. Sure, a good Christian would go to his death
before he renounced his faith, but would an atheist proclaim faith to save
his hide? If no, then, why the heck not? It's all meaningless drivel... or
does *not* believing become a faith unto itself? Or, is it a matter of
honor? Elighten me. Thanks.
H.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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29 May 2004 06:30:19 PM |
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 22:21:57 GMT, wrote:
On 29-May-2004, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
Have you just stayed *drunk* for all that time?
No, & you?
No, I get hangovers. Talk about a guilty conscience...
Then why the question?
Like I said, why let anyone lay a guilt rip on you, especially if it is
not yours.
I, acknowledging the fact that *I*, myself am not omnipotent, respect and
value the thoughts, knowledge and experience of others. And, believing in a
source of wisdom and love that trancends this life, I especially respect the
input of those who have studied and sacrificed to become authorities in that
source.
Hum, IOW, if they *the PTB of your mythology* proclaim something your good
sense knows is really weird, but possible, you sign off on it without
question. Say something like the lament of Innana, xian style.
Now, there is a thought, so, when did you stop leaning on hot stoves?
Never
needed told myself.
Surely you've learned things by trial and error? Where you born all-knowing?
I found that paying attention to what harmed others or benefited others was
a god way to learn. Never needed to stick my pecker in a light socket,
never had the urge.
IOW, once I considered an action & its likely outcome, I did not have to
play stupid.
Did I fall out of trees, several times.
What did you need parents for?
Protection, nurturing, the usual. & you?
Ya know, I don't think you meant what I just read. As to my conscience, it
will let me know what it thinks, & I will take action required, if any, on
my own like I have always done since adulthood.
Our moral consciences are formed by our experiences, our educations. We hope
You mean you have two consciences then? I only have one& it is based on &
guided by possibly the oldest ethic known to man. Enlightened self
interest. Tribal law is not apropos to the white mans world anymore.
Appropriate, just antiquated.
that we all turn out with one that keeps us on a good path through life.
Everyone's conscience is underpinned by the natural law, but for some folks,
What natural law, Natural law as Locke thought of it, or your version. I
don't trust your version.
that isn't enough, they learn how to file certain things (like guilt) away
and forget about them. These are called 'bad people'
According to you. But with your narrow perspective on reality as well as
life, I suspect you have many limiting definitions like the above.
"Go, set him free who serves so well his God!"
walksalone who doubts many, if any, xians can do that.
Nice! I like that!
And, you shouldn't doubt, because history is crowded with Christian martyrs
who did just that.
Figures you would miss what was going on with that poem.
Hey, let's turn it around. Sure, a good Christian would go to his death
Would he now, I don't think so any more. Several reasons, but with supposed
suicide a big no no, I am just not so sure.
before he renounced his faith, but would an atheist proclaim faith to save
his hide? If no, then, why the heck not? It's all meaningless drivel... or
You will have to ask individuals, I can not, nor will I try to speak for
all atheists like you did for all bleaters & others that follow the xian
myth.
does *not* believing become a faith unto itself? Or, is it a matter of
honor? Elighten me. Thanks.
Honor, is a personal perspective that seems sadly lacking in the xian
world. Not just the RCC, all xianity. Ever hear of a xian businessman,
avoid them like th plague they are. Ever hear of a xian charity that
did/does not siphon off donations, why not, can't their god provide for
them so they can get on with its work, work it has to have humans do for
it?
No, it seems by & large xianity derives from the loss of personal honor
anymore. Sad, but then, it never was based on it, it is based on a hollow
claim that someday xians can kiss their gods asses for eternity. I suspect
the other revealed gods of the desert have the same problem with their
followers.
BTW, do you know of any passage in the xian grimorie, up to the KJV, that
forbids ***** kissing by xians? I know there is a Sutra[sp] in Islam that
forbids martyrs, but I suspect that is not mentioned very often.
H.
walksalone who has known days that were not good days for dieing, & nefer
called on any god. The ammo bearer, hell yes, gods, no.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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29 May 2004 10:20:15 PM |
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 14:15:28 -0600, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2004 19:02:13 GMT, wrote:
On 28-May-2004, (William) wrote:
It's something ordinary decent humans know without having to be told.
It is the ordinary human characteristic of empathy and sensitivity to
others which is the basis of a working society.
what about the hangover? I suppose that it would last longer than the guilt
What about the hangover? Never had one & have been told I should have.
Lucky boy!
I had two major hangovers in my roaring twenties, and didn't drink
much ever after. Not worth it.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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02 Jun 2004 04:25:02 AM |
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 10:20:15 +0700, Jos Flachs wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2004 14:15:28 -0600, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2004 19:02:13 GMT, wrote:
On 28-May-2004, (William) wrote:
It's something ordinary decent humans know without having to be told.
It is the ordinary human characteristic of empathy and sensitivity to
others which is the basis of a working society.
what about the hangover? I suppose that it would last longer than the guilt
What about the hangover? Never had one & have been told I should have.
Lucky boy!
Boy? <opens shirt, checks> Boy, I'll have you know I have three hairs on my
chest. Boy indeed.
I had two major hangovers in my roaring twenties, and didn't drink
much ever after. Not worth it.
Like I used to tell my troops, it is my *pure heart & purity of thought*
that permitted that. Actually it was just a damn high metabolism.
Yes, I used to walk barefooted in the winter in Iowa, & Montana, USA.
Wasn't bad if the wind was still, usually. Great for ice skating on a farm
pond. Now, if you let them get soaked, it was not so much fun I can assure
you.
walksalone who thanks Jos for the consideration he just showed a old geezer
who has worn out several odometers.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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28 May 2004 04:31:03 AM |
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On Fri, 28 May 2004 00:13:59 GMT, Paul Duca <tomservo@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 26-May-2004, Paul Duca <tomservo@comcast.net> wrote:
Alcohol does a better job of TEMPORARY escape from miserable
reality...
A good drunk lasts longer than a church service...
And don't forget the hangover! Better than any fire and brimstone
preacher can dream up. Not to mention it outlasts such a preacher by
many hours.
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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26 May 2004 07:41:06 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 wrote:
On 25-May-2004, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
True, a bit like the farmer in Afganistan about 16 years ago, his whole
village
was wiped out includung his wife and family. asked for his thoughs about
him
suviving he said "It was the will of allah" religion is mass hypnosis.
Yes it
does good and attracts many good people, but at the end of the day it is
pure
mythology, it is now 2004!
Ah. He had faith and hope! What wonderful, comfort- ...oops, sorry, I
forgot, those are *bad* things. I'll just shut up right now, yep.
Thank you.
Of course, we know you are lying.
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
-- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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| Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required |
25 May 2004 10:20:49 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:15:25 GMT, Mark Richardson
<mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:59:58 -0700, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
In article <FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com>,
says...
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Communists do not = atheists.
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world - It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
Just because Karl was sometimes wrong does not mean he was always wrong.
Argue against his point, don't assume he's proven wrong because he's
Karl Marx.
Was he wrong?
People get no comfort from religion?
You sure of that?
I think he meant that because he was wrong with Communism, he is not
neccecarily wrong with everything else.
That's how I read it, anyway.
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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25 May 2004 10:29:33 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:20:49 GMT, W. Syme
<Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:15:25 GMT, Mark Richardson
<mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:59:58 -0700, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
In article <FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com>,
says...
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Communists do not = atheists.
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world - It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
Just because Karl was sometimes wrong does not mean he was always wrong.
Argue against his point, don't assume he's proven wrong because he's
Karl Marx.
Was he wrong?
People get no comfort from religion?
You sure of that?
I think he meant that because he was wrong with Communism, he is not
neccecarily wrong with everything else.
That's how I read it, anyway.
You may be right.
It's ambiguous.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 May 2004 10:00:28 AM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
<FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin
killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an *absolute*
morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad as?"
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "George Tirebiter" |
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26 May 2004 10:09:51 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.00.27.680696@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
<FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin
killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an *absolute*
morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad as?"
Especially when they set the bar so low an ant can get over it. Gee, the
church wasn't as bad as a monster like Stalin. Wow! I think I'll worship at
that church. They must be god's true representatives because they aren't as
bad as Stalin.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 May 2004 06:23:03 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:09:51 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-22A7A4.10095126052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.00.27.680696@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
<FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
30,000 people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like
Stalin killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an *absolute*
morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad as?"
Especially when they set the bar so low an ant can get over it. Gee, the
church wasn't as bad as a monster like Stalin. Wow! I think I'll worship
at that church. They must be god's true representatives because they
aren't as bad as Stalin.
Really. How hard is it to be "not as bad as Stalin?" Wow. Impressive eh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "George Tirebiter" |
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26 May 2004 06:39:23 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.05.26.23.23.03.195955@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:09:51 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-22A7A4.10095126052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.00.27.680696@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
<FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
30,000 people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like
Stalin killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an *absolute*
morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad as?"
Especially when they set the bar so low an ant can get over it. Gee, the
church wasn't as bad as a monster like Stalin. Wow! I think I'll worship
at that church. They must be god's true representatives because they
aren't as bad as Stalin.
Really. How hard is it to be "not as bad as Stalin?" Wow. Impressive eh?
Not too hard. In all of recorded history, only a handful of people made it.
Perhaps, this kind of standard will now be the measure of holiness: We
canonized this guy a saint because he wasn't as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer. He
was a man of great compassion, more than Charles Manson.
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26 May 2004 09:10:04 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 18:39:23 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-5A66C2.18392326052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.23.23.03.195955@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:09:51 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-22A7A4.10095126052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.00.27.680696@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
<FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
30,000 people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy
like Stalin killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an
*absolute* morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad
as?"
Especially when they set the bar so low an ant can get over it. Gee,
the church wasn't as bad as a monster like Stalin. Wow! I think I'll
worship at that church. They must be god's true representatives
because they aren't as bad as Stalin.
Really. How hard is it to be "not as bad as Stalin?" Wow. Impressive eh?
Not too hard. In all of recorded history, only a handful of people made
it.
Perhaps, this kind of standard will now be the measure of holiness: We
canonized this guy a saint because he wasn't as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer. He
was a man of great compassion, more than Charles Manson.
Wow. With the bar that low, we'll be up to our ears in saints...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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26 May 2004 09:23:59 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.05.27.02.10.04.49258@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 18:39:23 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-5A66C2.18392326052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.23.23.03.195955@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:09:51 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-22A7A4.10095126052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.00.27.680696@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
<FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
30,000 people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy
like Stalin killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an
*absolute* morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad
as?"
Especially when they set the bar so low an ant can get over it. Gee,
the church wasn't as bad as a monster like Stalin. Wow! I think I'll
worship at that church. They must be god's true representatives
because they aren't as bad as Stalin.
Really. How hard is it to be "not as bad as Stalin?" Wow. Impressive eh?
Not too hard. In all of recorded history, only a handful of people made
it.
Perhaps, this kind of standard will now be the measure of holiness: We
canonized this guy a saint because he wasn't as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer. He
was a man of great compassion, more than Charles Manson.
Wow. With the bar that low, we'll be up to our ears in saints...
We already are. The current winner of the sistine chapel circle jerk has
appointed more saints than all the previous popes in history. In order to
become a saint, there have to be miracles attributed to the person.
Apparently, that has been relaxed to allow card tricks and people finding
lost keys.
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26 May 2004 09:30:26 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 21:23:59 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-1246DC.21235926052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@nospam.netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.27.02.10.04.49258@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 18:39:23 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-5A66C2.18392326052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.23.23.03.195955@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:09:51 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-22A7A4.10095126052004@individual.net> we saw our hero
George Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.00.27.680696@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
<FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
30,000 people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy
like Stalin killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an
*absolute* morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad
as?"
Especially when they set the bar so low an ant can get over it.
Gee, the church wasn't as bad as a monster like Stalin. Wow! I
think I'll worship at that church. They must be god's true
representatives because they aren't as bad as Stalin.
Really. How hard is it to be "not as bad as Stalin?" Wow. Impressive
eh?
Not too hard. In all of recorded history, only a handful of people
made it.
Perhaps, this kind of standard will now be the measure of holiness: We
canonized this guy a saint because he wasn't as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer.
He was a man of great compassion, more than Charles Manson.
Wow. With the bar that low, we'll be up to our ears in saints...
We already are. The current winner of the sistine chapel circle jerk has
appointed more saints than all the previous popes in history. In order to
become a saint, there have to be miracles attributed to the person.
Apparently, that has been relaxed to allow card tricks and people finding
lost keys.
The man put in a holy express lane...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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26 May 2004 10:57:00 AM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:09:51 -0500 in episode
<Tirebiter7-22A7A4.10095126052004@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.00.27.680696@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
<FrCdnUzxQ8rpnCndRVn2hw@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughbetcha@yessiree.ca:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
30,000 people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like
Stalin killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an *absolute*
morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad as?"
Especially when they set the bar so low an ant can get over it. Gee, the
church wasn't as bad as a monster like Stalin. Wow! I think I'll worship
at that church. They must be god's true representatives because they
aren't as bad as Stalin.
Reminds me of how the administration is defending itself over the prison
abuse scandal with "not as bad as Saddam!"
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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25 May 2004 10:01:41 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Communists do not = atheists.
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world - It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
It's true.
Its true that he said it and he said a true thing.
Do you actually know what he meant by that?
Do you think Opium (and pain relieving drugs in general) are a
purely/wholy evil thing?
If you ever require surgery or suffer massive trauma in a car accident
- you will refuse all pain relief - yes?
Morons (christian morons generally) who quote Marx usually don't
understand the meaning of this passage.
They "think" (if that is the appropriate word) that "drugs are bad" -
so Marx is saying religion is like drugs - "like a bad thing".
This is what Marx is *actually* saying:
People are hurting, they are oppressed, they are down trodden, cannon
and factory fodder, they watch their children die from malnutrition
and disease - they take to religion because it *relieves* *their*
*pain*.
Marx is advocating that the poor rise up and take over the world and
free themselves of their poverty and their status as a resource to be
used by the rich and powerful and then discarded. Then they will not
need "the Opiate of the people" - they can go to a free government
hospital and get the real thing like the rich folks do.
Here endeth the leason.
Mark.
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
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26 May 2004 06:04:19 PM |
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On 25-May-2004, Mark Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world - It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
It's true.
Its true that he said it and he said a true thing.
Then, communism does = atheism.
Do you actually know what he meant by that?
Do you think Opium (and pain relieving drugs in general) are a
purely/wholy evil thing?
I think Marx's connotation was negative. "sigh of the oppressed creature,"
sounds negative.
If you ever require surgery or suffer massive trauma in a car accident
- you will refuse all pain relief - yes?
Heck, no.
Morons (christian morons generally) who quote Marx usually don't
understand the meaning of this passage.
They "think" (if that is the appropriate word) that "drugs are bad" -
so Marx is saying religion is like drugs - "like a bad thing".
This is what Marx is *actually* saying:
People are hurting, they are oppressed, they are down trodden, cannon
and factory fodder, they watch their children die from malnutrition
and disease - they take to religion because it *relieves* *their*
*pain*.
Like I said, it sounds negative. How come Marx can be intrepreted other than
literally, but the Bible can't?
H.
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26 May 2004 08:49:15 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 23:04:19 GMT, wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Mark Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world - It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
It's true.
Its true that he said it and he said a true thing.
Then, communism does = atheism.
Non sequitur.
Do you actually know what he meant by that?
Do you think Opium (and pain relieving drugs in general) are a
purely/wholy evil thing?
I think Marx's connotation was negative. "sigh of the oppressed creature,"
sounds negative.
Then you cannot comprehend what you read.
I am glad we have established that beyond reasonable doubt.
Mark.
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
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26 May 2004 09:43:45 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 23:04:19 GMT, wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Mark Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world - It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
It's true.
Its true that he said it and he said a true thing.
Then, communism does = atheism.
No, one person does not speak for all, not even the bleater brigades
fearful leaders can do that 100% of the time, though they act like they
can.
You see, atheism teaches nothing, makes no claims, & sets no standards.
That is up to the individual. Granted, you are used to being part of the
flock, & sad to relate, sheep are possibly the stupidest animals in the
animal kingdom. No joke either.
Do you actually know what he meant by that?
Do you think Opium (and pain relieving drugs in general) are a
purely/wholy evil thing?
I think Marx's connotation was negative. "sigh of the oppressed creature,"
sounds negative.
To you, to me it is neutral until I read everything that is related to it.
If you ever require surgery or suffer massive trauma in a car accident
- you will refuse all pain relief - yes?
Heck, no.
Why not, are you against accepting what your gods want you to have. After
all, they gave you the accident & the pain, why would you fight them? Why
would you deny your gods what they want for you [which hopefully will never
happen].
Morons (christian morons generally) who quote Marx usually don't
understand the meaning of this passage.
They "think" (if that is the appropriate word) that "drugs are bad" -
so Marx is saying religion is like drugs - "like a bad thing".
This is what Marx is *actually* saying:
People are hurting, they are oppressed, they are down trodden, cannon
and factory fodder, they watch their children die from malnutrition
and disease - they take to religion because it *relieves* *their*
*pain*.
Like I said, it sounds negative. How come Marx can be intrepreted other than
literally, but the Bible can't?
The grimorie frequently is by xians, especially the bad parts. But Marx
never claimed to be god, or speaking for a set of gods. The grimorie makes
that clam, or is it no longer called * The Word Of God[tm]*
But of course, you already knew that had you thought about it for say,
..000000017 picosecond's.
walksalone who suspects Hugh is not as foolish as he is playing at, but
with xians one can never be certain.
H.
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26 May 2004 07:43:15 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Mark Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
-Karl Marx
It's true.
Its true that he said it and he said a true thing.
Then, communism does = atheism.
ACTS 4:32
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one
soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he
possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the
resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as
were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices
of the things that were sold,
4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was
made unto every man according as he had need.
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26 May 2004 03:31:50 AM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Communists do not = atheists.
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world - It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
Correct. Now do tell me: when did communists prosecuted in the name of
atheism? Never? Right in one!
Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
Crusades
An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
But a religious conflict nevertheless.
Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin killed
that many before breakfast.
I beg to differ. I got very different figures. Where did you find
yours? www.vatican.com ?
Pogroms
Most of which were politically motivated... and the worst of which were
carried out by the communists... er... like Pol Pot.
Sorry, bub. Pogrom is another word for jew-hunt. Narry a jew in
Cambodia. Pogroms were invented by xtians. And committed by xtians.
Holocausts
I assume you mean 'the' holocaust. Now, the National Socialist Party (Nazis)
was hardly a religious organization, but a decidedly atheist one.
Again, wrong. Hitler was in full support of the church. Any church.
You couldn't join the NSDAP or the SS if you professed to be atheist.
Atheists got those striped jogging suits and one way tickets.
Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
Does it really? Tell that to the accounting agency of the RCC. They
could use some good news.
9/11
I can't speak for Islamic fundamentalists, but fundamentalism of any sort is
bad. (As we have seen...)
True. And the worst of all, so far, has been xtian fundamentalism. Not
because it is inherently more bad than muslim fundamentalism, but they
had the technical advantages.
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26 May 2004 10:24:49 AM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 15:31:50 +0700 in episode
<8p88b0lim9cegvsbbje0e1kc21qldkmqkj@4ax.com> we saw our hero Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com>:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
Does it really? Tell that to the accounting agency of the RCC. They could
use some good news.
I'm not even inclined any more to bother with numbers disputes. I want to
know how "not as bad as" is a valid defense of an "absolute morality." I'm
not sure what good an "absolute morality" is when it's billed as "somewhat
less evil." A lot of moral systems are *less evil than Stalin (Hitler, Pol
Pot, whoever they pick this week to smear atheism with).
Given that Canada and Europe are fast approaching a wholly secular society
and are quite peaceful and civilized, I'm not sure the "less evil than
Stalin" argument is much of a sales pitch. We have example now of *secular
societies that are "less evil" so why bother with this "absolute morality"
anyway?
And they *are engaging in questionable comparisons. Fact is, the main
candidates for smearing atheism and secularism are from more
technologically advanced periods in history. We don't actually *know what
the crusades or the inquisitions might have been like had they possessed
comparable technology.
Finally, what may be THE holocaust of all human history was here in the
Americas. It's glossed over a great deal because the inheritors of the
conquest are the ones most prone to whining and bitching about "atheism"
or "secular humanism." But it's simple historical fact that christianity
was one of the major components in the conquest of the Americas. A
conquest that resulted in one of the most spectacular depopulations in
known history.
Granted, the epidemics figure in for an estimated 70 to 90% of the
population crash starting in the 16th century. But there was a great deal
more systematic extermination than people are comfortable discussing. Not
to mention policies that may not have been direct extermination but
brought about widespread disease and death.
Some days, I've thought about doing a book that gathers every document I
can find (and I've seen a number over the years) in which the christians
used their god and bible to justify the conquest. Even advocated
*extermination. But then I wonder if years of work would be worth the
lynching (in Jesus' love) I'd be up for...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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26 May 2004 01:07:09 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.05.26.15.24.47.452221@hoo.com-amikchi...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 15:31:50 +0700 in episode
<8p88b0lim9cegvsbbje0e1kc21qldkmqkj@4ax.com> we saw our hero Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com>:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
Does it really? Tell that to the accounting agency of the RCC. They
could
use some good news.
I'm not even inclined any more to bother with numbers disputes. I want to
know how "not as bad as" is a valid defense of an "absolute morality." I'm
not sure what good an "absolute morality" is when it's billed as "somewhat
less evil." A lot of moral systems are *less evil than Stalin (Hitler, Pol
Pot, whoever they pick this week to smear atheism with).
Given that Canada and Europe are fast approaching a wholly secular society
and are quite peaceful and civilized, I'm not sure the "less evil than
Stalin" argument is much of a sales pitch. We have example now of *secular
societies that are "less evil" so why bother with this "absolute morality"
anyway?
And they *are engaging in questionable comparisons. Fact is, the main
candidates for smearing atheism and secularism are from more
technologically advanced periods in history. We don't actually *know what
the crusades or the inquisitions might have been like had they possessed
comparable technology.
Finally, what may be THE holocaust of all human history was here in the
Americas. It's glossed over a great deal because the inheritors of the
conquest are the ones most prone to whining and bitching about "atheism"
or "secular humanism." But it's simple historical fact that christianity
was one of the major components in the conquest of the Americas. A
conquest that resulted in one of the most spectacular depopulations in
known history.
Granted, the epidemics figure in for an estimated 70 to 90% of the
population crash starting in the 16th century. But there was a great deal
more systematic extermination than people are comfortable discussing. Not
to mention policies that may not have been direct extermination but
brought about widespread disease and death.
Those epidemics were helped along by purposeful distribution of infected
blankets.
Some days, I've thought about doing a book that gathers every document I
can find (and I've seen a number over the years) in which the christians
used their god and bible to justify the conquest. Even advocated
*extermination. But then I wonder if years of work would be worth the
lynching (in Jesus' love) I'd be up for...
Go for it, I'll buy it.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Pubba, EAC Department of Oxygen Deprivation
Gary Bohn
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority of
the wealthy.
Greg Bear
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| Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required |
26 May 2004 06:22:31 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:07:09 -0600 in episode
<10b9n4v5nie8d8b@corp.supernews.com> we saw our hero "Gary Bohn"
<garybohn@sasktel.net>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.05.26.15.24.47.452221@hoo.com-amikchi...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 15:31:50 +0700 in episode
<8p88b0lim9cegvsbbje0e1kc21qldkmqkj@4ax.com> we saw our hero Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com>:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
Does it really? Tell that to the accounting agency of the RCC. They
could
use some good news.
I'm not even inclined any more to bother with numbers disputes. I want
to know how "not as bad as" is a valid defense of an "absolute
morality." I'm not sure what good an "absolute morality" is when it's
billed as "somewhat less evil." A lot of moral systems are *less evil
than Stalin (Hitler, Pol Pot, whoever they pick this week to smear
atheism with).
Given that Canada and Europe are fast approaching a wholly secular
society and are quite peaceful and civilized, I'm not sure the "less
evil than Stalin" argument is much of a sales pitch. We have example now
of *secular societies that are "less evil" so why bother with this
"absolute morality" anyway?
And they *are engaging in questionable comparisons. Fact is, the main
candidates for smearing atheism and secularism are from more
technologically advanced periods in history. We don't actually *know
what the crusades or the inquisitions might have been like had they
possessed comparable technology.
Finally, what may be THE holocaust of all human history was here in the
Americas. It's glossed over a great deal because the inheritors of the
conquest are the ones most prone to whining and bitching about "atheism"
or "secular humanism." But it's simple historical fact that christianity
was one of the major components in the conquest of the Americas. A
conquest that resulted in one of the most spectacular depopulations in
known history.
Granted, the epidemics figure in for an estimated 70 to 90% of the
population crash starting in the 16th century. But there was a great
deal more systematic extermination than people are comfortable
discussing. Not to mention policies that may not have been direct
extermination but brought about widespread disease and death.
Those epidemics were helped along by purposeful distribution of infected
blankets.
Some days, I've thought about doing a book that gathers every document I
can find (and I've seen a number over the years) in which the christians
used their god and bible to justify the conquest. Even advocated
*extermination. But then I wonder if years of work would be worth the
lynching (in Jesus' love) I'd be up for...
Go for it, I'll buy it.
Heh. You'd probably have to snatch one out the bonfire...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required |
26 May 2004 03:59:10 AM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, wrote:
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
In reply to Mr Huge Belcher's apologist ramblings,
How many innocent women have been horribly killed in great suffering due to your
holy book's command "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?
What is even more tragic is that "witch" may be an early mistranslation of
"poisoner".
JPG
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