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User:	""
Date:	25 May 2004 07:36:52 PM
Object:	Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required

"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you can
look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
- Pol Pot
Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole atheist
thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
smart-asses?
H.B.
.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	01 Jun 2004 05:56:43 PM

<hughbetcha@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
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On 31-May-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

This is not an apology. "The document said the church was holy and

cannot

sin, but that its members have sinned through the ages."

4) The church is always innocent, but there may be some sinners in the
church. So even if the church officially approved of evil activities,

is
the people of the church who are sinners. The church can never sin.

So where is the apology that you claim exists for the inquisition and
slavery?

Let's see... "For all have sinned..." That's right, every Catholic in the
Church from the top on down, every living human being for that matter,

falls

short of perfection. If you want to inspect the Church for flaws in the
light of the utter perfection of God, yes, you will find quite a few.
However, you don't believe in God, therefore you can't believe in

perfection

either. That makes your criticism of the Church (especially considering

the

effort you put into it) somewhat hypocritical.

You see, you're crossing the line between ligitimate criticism (which I'm
not denying that there is room for) and vain rationalizing...

You are avoiding the question. You claimed that the Catholic church
apologized for the inquisition and slavery, and I asked when did they
apologize? I do not see an apology in this document from the Vatican.

3) They falsely blamed Hitler's holocaust on Hitler being a Pagan when

the

truth is that he was a Catholic whose hatred of the Jews was fueled by

the

Vatican and other Christian religions.

See? You'll cling to the fact that Hitler was Catholic right down to the
nubs of your fingernails. Fact is, the guy was deranged, and he learned
anti-Semitism in the gutters of Vienna, not from Catechism.

The Catholic church was a major instigator of anti-Semitism in Europe.
Hitler was a Catholic and was never excommunicated by the Church. The
Vatican has also admitted that it has unfairly condemned the Jews. The
Vatican is also lying through it teeth when it claims that Hitler was a
pagan. You need to read some history and stop believing the lies of the
Vatican.
There is more about Hitler at my web page
http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

2) They never apologized for the approval of slavery that the church has

provided many times

And again... I remember going over this issue before. The Church expressly
FORBADE slavery time and time again, but you want to ignore that fact and
focus on a few vague references that can be misconstrued as tacit

approval.
We did go over this before. The Vatican has explicitly approved of slavery
and has also explicitly disapproved of slavery. You are lying when you
claim there are only "a few vague references that can be misconstrued as
tacit approval." But I guess you figure that if the Vatican can lie, you
can too.
See Page 14 in the following link:
http://vision.cangoul.catholic.edu.au/re/tno/stage_6/church_developing_tradition.pdf
Gregory I, Exposito in Librum B. Job, c 600: "All men are equal by nature
but.a hidden dispensation of providence has arranged a hierarchy of merit
and rulership, in that the differences between classes of men have arisen as
a result of sin and are ordained by divine justice."
Medieval Church
Nicholas V, Dum Diversas, 1452/54: "We grant you [Kings of Spain and
Portugal] by these present documents, with our Apostolic authority, full and
free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens
and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may
be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other
property.and to reduce their persons into perpetual slavery."
Counter-Reformation
Paul III, Motu Proprio, 1548: "Each and every person of either sex, whether
Roman or non-Roman, whether secular or clerical.may freely and lawfully buy
and sell publicly any slaves whatsoever of either sex.and publicly hold them
as slaves and make use of their work, and compel them to do the work
assigned to them.Slaves who flee to the Capitol and appeal for their liberty
shall in no wise be freed from the bondage of their servitude, but.shall be
returned in slavery to their owners and if it seems proper.punished as
runaways."

Anyhow, you should hold your 'righteous light' up to other institutions to
see how they compare, and maybe yourself, too.

Let me try a little bit of self examination:
Me | Vatican
----------------------
1) Did I ever approve of Slavery? No. |
Yes
2) Did I ever say the Jews were evil? No. |
Yes
3) Did I ever kill people for not believing the way I do? No. | Yes
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	01 Jun 2004 09:14:14 PM

On 1-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Gregory I, Exposito in Librum B. Job, c 600: "All men are equal by nature
but.a hidden dispensation of providence has arranged a hierarchy of merit
and rulership, in that the differences between classes of men have arisen
as a result of sin and are ordained by divine justice."

Essentially, the belief that servitude can be considered a natural and happy
state for some people. Something that was common belief all the way from
Aristotle to Aquinas.

Nicholas V, Dum Diversas, 1452/54: "We grant you [Kings of Spain and
Portugal] by these present documents, with our Apostolic authority, full
and
free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens
and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they
may
be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and
other
property.and to reduce their persons into perpetual slavery."

From a Bull of Crusade. A declaration of war, and a call for Christiandom to
stand up and defend it's very existance. War is hell, especially in the dark
ages. I don't think it was limited to Spain and Portugal, either.

Paul III, Motu Proprio, 1548: "Each and every person of either sex,
whether
Roman or non-Roman, whether secular or clerical.may freely and lawfully
buy
and sell publicly any slaves whatsoever of either sex.and publicly hold
them
as slaves and make use of their work, and compel them to do the work
assigned to them.Slaves who flee to the Capitol and appeal for their
liberty
shall in no wise be freed from the bondage of their servitude, but.shall
be
returned in slavery to their owners and if it seems proper.punished as
runaways."

Paul III was referring to prisoners of war, mainly Turks, and unfortunatly,
there was no Geneva convention back then. Paul III by the way, was the
author of 'Sublimis Deus' which condemns slavery. Sample:
"Therefore, We, . . . noting that the Indians themselves indeed are true men
and are not only capable of the Christian faith, but, as has been made known
to us, promptly hasten to the faith' and wishing to provide suitable
remedies for them, by our Apostolic Authority decree and declare by these
present letters that the same Indians and all other peoples-even though they
are outside the faith-who shall hereafter come to the knowledge of
Christians have not been deprived or should not be deprived of their liberty
or of their possessions. Rather they are to be able to use and enjoy this
liberty and this ownership of property freely and licitly, and are not to be
reduced to slavery, and that whatever happens to the contrary is to be
considered null and void. These same Indians and other peoples are to be
invited to the said faith in Christ by preaching and the example of a good
life."
Obviously, Paul III condemned the forced servitude of Africans and Native
Americans. His teaching was continued by Gregory XIV in 1591 and by Urban
VIII in 1639. Urban, in his document 'Commissum Nobis', referred to the
teaching of Paul III. This official stand against slavery was repeated in
1686, by Innocent XI, and by Benedict XIV, in his 'Immensa Pastorum', in
1741. Pius VII at the Congress of Vienna in 1815 insured that the victors in
the Napoleanic wars rembered that slavery was not permissable.

Let me try a little bit of self examination:

Me | Vatican

----------------------
1) Did I ever approve of Slavery? No.
|
Yes

Well, I suppose that you can claim that the Church approved of indentured
servitude for debtors and prisoners of war, but the forced servitude of
people because of their race or faith? Never.

2) Did I ever say the Jews were evil? No. |
Yes

Ha! The Jews believe in the same 'evil' old testament as the Christians do.
And by your logic, that makes them evil, too. When are you going to add a
bloody Star of David to your website?

3) Did I ever kill people for not believing the way I do? No.

....but you sure put them down.
H.
.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 01:08:32 AM

<hughbetcha@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
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On 1-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Gregory I, Exposito in Librum B. Job, c 600: "All men are equal by

nature

but.a hidden dispensation of providence has arranged a hierarchy of

merit

and rulership, in that the differences between classes of men have

arisen

as a result of sin and are ordained by divine justice."

Essentially, the belief that servitude can be considered a natural and

happy

state for some people. Something that was common belief all the way from
Aristotle to Aquinas.

What the ***** are you bullshitting about now??? This is saying that slavery
is approved by "divine justice". Only an ***** like you would suggest
that this says that slaves are "natural and happy"!

Saracens

and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they
may
be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and
other
property.and to reduce their persons into perpetual slavery."

From a Bull of Crusade. A declaration of war, and a call for Christiandom

stand up and defend it's very existance. War is hell, especially in the

dark

ages. I don't think it was limited to Spain and Portugal, either.

War is hell, especially for the people who were reduced to slavery with the
full and explicit approval of the Pope. This proves that you are just
another idiotic "liar for God".

Paul III was referring to prisoners of war, mainly Turks, and

unfortunatly,

there was no Geneva convention back then. Paul III by the way, was the
author of 'Sublimis Deus' which condemns slavery. Sample:

Why do you continue to lie through your teeth??? What part of "any slaves"
and "either sex" don't you understand???

"Therefore, We, . . . noting that the Indians themselves indeed are true

men

and are not only capable of the Christian faith, but, as has been made

known

to us, promptly hasten to the faith' and wishing to provide suitable
remedies for them, by our Apostolic Authority decree and declare by these
present letters that the same Indians and all other peoples-even though

they

are outside the faith-who shall hereafter come to the knowledge of
Christians have not been deprived or should not be deprived of their

liberty

or of their possessions. Rather they are to be able to use and enjoy this
liberty and this ownership of property freely and licitly, and are not to

reduced to slavery, and that whatever happens to the contrary is to be
considered null and void. These same Indians and other peoples are to be
invited to the said faith in Christ by preaching and the example of a good
life."

Obviously, Paul III condemned the forced servitude of Africans and Native
Americans. His teaching was continued by Gregory XIV in 1591 and by Urban
VIII in 1639. Urban, in his document 'Commissum Nobis', referred to the
teaching of Paul III. This official stand against slavery was repeated in
1686, by Innocent XI, and by Benedict XIV, in his 'Immensa Pastorum', in
1741. Pius VII at the Congress of Vienna in 1815 insured that the victors

the Napoleanic wars rembered that slavery was not permissable.

Why not just condemn all forms of slavery, of all races? Obviously they
didn't because they approved of some forms of slavery.

Let me try a little bit of self examination:

Me | Vatican

----------------------
1) Did I ever approve of Slavery? No.
|
Yes

Well, I suppose that you can claim that the Church approved of indentured
servitude for debtors and prisoners of war, but the forced servitude of
people because of their race or faith? Never.

You lie! I'm not surprised. Slavery is slavery. Look up the definition in
a dictionary. The Vatican approved of slavery and you lied about it. Go to
hell. Go straight to hell. Do not collect $200.

2) Did I ever say the Jews were evil? No.

Yes

Ha! The Jews believe in the same 'evil' old testament as the Christians

do.

And by your logic, that makes them evil, too. When are you going to add a
bloody Star of David to your website?

Actually, people of Jewish descent ("Jews" as a race, not a religion) are
one of the most atheistic group of people in the world. And I never met
anyone who actually believes the Old Testament is literally true. Many
people claim that it is, but they really don't believe it.

3) Did I ever kill people for not believing the way I do? No.

...but you sure put them down.

Since when is "putting people down" the moral equivalent of murder?
.

User: "flymx"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	09 Jun 2004 10:45:47 AM

"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
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<hughbetcha@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
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On 1-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Gregory I, Exposito in Librum B. Job, c 600: "All men are equal by

nature

but.a hidden dispensation of providence has arranged a hierarchy of

merit

and rulership, in that the differences between classes of men have

arisen

as a result of sin and are ordained by divine justice."

Essentially, the belief that servitude can be considered a natural and

happy

state for some people. Something that was common belief all the way from
Aristotle to Aquinas.

What the ***** are you bullshitting about now??? This is saying that

slavery

is approved by "divine justice". Only an ***** like you would suggest
that this says that slaves are "natural and happy"!

Nicholas V, Dum Diversas, 1452/54: "We grant you [Kings of Spain and
Portugal] by these present documents, with our Apostolic authority,

full

and
free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the

Saracens

and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever

they

may
be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and
other
property.and to reduce their persons into perpetual slavery."

From a Bull of Crusade. A declaration of war, and a call for

Christiandom

stand up and defend it's very existance. War is hell, especially in the

dark

ages. I don't think it was limited to Spain and Portugal, either.

War is hell, especially for the people who were reduced to slavery with

the

full and explicit approval of the Pope. This proves that you are just
another idiotic "liar for God".

Paul III, Motu Proprio, 1548: "Each and every person of either sex,
whether
Roman or non-Roman, whether secular or clerical.may freely and

lawfully

buy
and sell publicly any slaves whatsoever of either sex.and publicly

hold

them
as slaves and make use of their work, and compel them to do the work
assigned to them.Slaves who flee to the Capitol and appeal for their
liberty
shall in no wise be freed from the bondage of their servitude,

but.shall

be
returned in slavery to their owners and if it seems proper.punished as
runaways."

Paul III was referring to prisoners of war, mainly Turks, and

unfortunatly,

there was no Geneva convention back then. Paul III by the way, was the
author of 'Sublimis Deus' which condemns slavery. Sample:

Why do you continue to lie through your teeth??? What part of "any

slaves"

and "either sex" don't you understand???

"Therefore, We, . . . noting that the Indians themselves indeed are true

men

and are not only capable of the Christian faith, but, as has been made

known

to us, promptly hasten to the faith' and wishing to provide suitable
remedies for them, by our Apostolic Authority decree and declare by

these

present letters that the same Indians and all other peoples-even though

they

are outside the faith-who shall hereafter come to the knowledge of
Christians have not been deprived or should not be deprived of their

liberty

or of their possessions. Rather they are to be able to use and enjoy

this

liberty and this ownership of property freely and licitly, and are not

good

life."

Obviously, Paul III condemned the forced servitude of Africans and

Native

Americans. His teaching was continued by Gregory XIV in 1591 and by

Urban

VIII in 1639. Urban, in his document 'Commissum Nobis', referred to the
teaching of Paul III. This official stand against slavery was repeated

1686, by Innocent XI, and by Benedict XIV, in his 'Immensa Pastorum', in
1741. Pius VII at the Congress of Vienna in 1815 insured that the

victors

the Napoleanic wars rembered that slavery was not permissable.

Why not just condemn all forms of slavery, of all races? Obviously they
didn't because they approved of some forms of slavery.

Let me try a little bit of self examination:

Me | Vatican

----------------------
1) Did I ever approve of Slavery?

No.

|
Yes

Well, I suppose that you can claim that the Church approved of

indentured

servitude for debtors and prisoners of war, but the forced servitude of
people because of their race or faith? Never.

You lie! I'm not surprised. Slavery is slavery. Look up the definition

a dictionary. The Vatican approved of slavery and you lied about it. Go

hell. Go straight to hell. Do not collect $200.

2) Did I ever say the Jews were evil?

No.

Yes

Ha! The Jews believe in the same 'evil' old testament as the Christians

do.

And by your logic, that makes them evil, too. When are you going to add

bloody Star of David to your website?

3) Did I ever kill people for not believing the way I do? No.

...but you sure put them down.

Since when is "putting people down" the moral equivalent of murder?

Editor:
For what its worth, I applaud you for your efforts.. the more this
information gets into the main stream of societies the easier it is for the
average Joe to answer to the evils of religions hate and dictatorship ..
I am sure you know this , but the more this guy rants the better for all ...
he's obviously an easy target.. maybe you should send him a gift basket
every christmas ...
"kill all the gods and let people sort it out"..
.

User: "Scott"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	09 Jun 2004 10:52:59 AM

"flymx" <ya@right.ca> wrote in message
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Editor:
For what its worth, I applaud you for your efforts.. the more this
information gets into the main stream of societies the easier it is for

the

average Joe to answer to the evils of religions hate and dictatorship ..
I am sure you know this , but the more this guy rants the better for all

....

he's obviously an easy target.. maybe you should send him a gift basket
every christmas ...

"kill all the gods and let people sort it out"..

Maybe you should send Chris Baba some beer money.
<as if baba doesn't rant himself shhhh>
Scott
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 07:40:02 PM

On 2-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

What the ***** are you bullshitting about now??? This is saying that
slavery
is approved by "divine justice". Only an ***** like you would suggest
that this says that slaves are "natural and happy"!

It was a commonly held belief throughout most of history... is all I'm
saying.
Sheesh.

War is hell, especially for the people who were reduced to slavery with
the
full and explicit approval of the Pope. This proves that you are just
another idiotic "liar for God".

Check my response to George Tirechewer on that issue.

Why do you continue to lie through your teeth??? What part of "any
slaves"
and "either sex" don't you understand???

Birds n' Bees, EvilEd. People come as boys and girls. So do Turks.

You lie! I'm not surprised. Slavery is slavery. Look up the definition
in
a dictionary. The Vatican approved of slavery and you lied about it. Go
to
hell. Go straight to hell. Do not collect $200.

Thank you Pastor Ed. But, the Popes flat out condemned it many times, except
for some specific instances in the dark ages... which were dark for
everyone. Like I said to George Rubberbiter, use your 20/20 hindsight and
judge them by whatever standard you want to....

Catholics don't believe that it's literally true, but you pick on us. I'm
sure some Jews are atheists, but most are religious, and hold the old
testament as sacred text.
Hey, I know! A bloody Menorah... that would be cool!

Since when is "putting people down" the moral equivalent of murder?

Woah! I didn't say that! I said: "BUT" you sure put them down.
H.
.

User: "George Tirebiter"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 08:36:07 AM

In article <KIidnZMh46x-qiDdRVn2jQ@giganews.com>,

wrote:

On 1-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Essentially, the belief that servitude can be considered a natural and happy
state for some people. Something that was common belief all the way from
Aristotle to Aquinas.

So what? The pope is explicitly endorsing slavery here, which you claim the
church never did. Where are the great christian principles here?

Paul III was referring to prisoners of war, mainly Turks, and unfortunatly,
there was no Geneva convention back then.

Exactly, the church wasn't enlightened by secular humanism at that time, so
its policies were barbaric.

Paul III by the way, was the
author of 'Sublimis Deus' which condemns slavery. Sample:

"Therefore, We, . . . noting that the Indians themselves indeed are true men
and are not only capable of the Christian faith, but, as has been made known
to us, promptly hasten to the faith' and wishing to provide suitable
remedies for them, by our Apostolic Authority decree and declare by these
present letters that the same Indians and all other peoples-even though they
are outside the faith-who shall hereafter come to the knowledge of
Christians have not been deprived or should not be deprived of their liberty
or of their possessions. Rather they are to be able to use and enjoy this
liberty and this ownership of property freely and licitly, and are not to be
reduced to slavery, and that whatever happens to the contrary is to be
considered null and void. These same Indians and other peoples are to be
invited to the said faith in Christ by preaching and the example of a good
life."

Obviously, Paul III condemned the forced servitude of Africans and Native
Americans.

While ordering slavery for saracens. So, we can agree that he was not
opposed to slavery in principle and he was inconsistent in his application
of morality. Situational ethics at its worst.

His teaching was continued by Gregory XIV in 1591 and by Urban
VIII in 1639. Urban, in his document 'Commissum Nobis', referred to the
teaching of Paul III. This official stand against slavery was repeated in
1686, by Innocent XI, and by Benedict XIV, in his 'Immensa Pastorum', in
1741. Pius VII at the Congress of Vienna in 1815 insured that the victors in
the Napoleanic wars rembered that slavery was not permissable.

Again, these were not condemnation of slavery in general but were
particular situations. Here's a little quiz: Who was the first pope to
declare that slavery was an intrinsic evil, always and everywhere wrong?
I'll give you a hint: that pope is still alive.

Let me try a little bit of self examination:

Me | Vatican

----------------------
1) Did I ever approve of Slavery? No.
|
Yes

Well, I suppose that you can claim that the Church approved of indentured
servitude for debtors and prisoners of war, but the forced servitude of
people because of their race or faith? Never.

You are a scum sucking liar. "We grant you [Kings of Spain and Portugal] by
these present documents, with our Apostolic authority, full and free
permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and
pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may
be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other
property.and to reduce their persons into perpetual slavery."
Saracens and pagans. Race and religion are the basis for enslaving these
people.

2) Did I ever say the Jews were evil? No. |
Yes

Ha! The Jews believe in the same 'evil' old testament as the Christians do.
And by your logic, that makes them evil, too. When are you going to add a
bloody Star of David to your website?

Who was it that decreed that jews should wear a star of david in public?
Who declared that they must live in ghettoes? Who declared that they may
not hold any public office? Who declared that christians may not work for
jews? Sounds like the nuremburg laws, right? Actually, these were papal
decrees.

3) Did I ever kill people for not believing the way I do? No.

...but you sure put them down.

H.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 09:56:07 AM

"George Tirebiter" <Tirebiter7@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:Tirebiter7-D6B95B.08360702062004@individual.net...

Do you have a reference for these decrees?
.

User: "George Tirebiter"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 10:57:06 AM

In article <BYydnc7u1okGdyDdRVn_iw@adelphia.com>,
"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

"George Tirebiter" <Tirebiter7@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:Tirebiter7-D6B95B.08360702062004@individual.net...

Do you have a reference for these decrees?

Check these out:
"Dudum ad nostram audientiam" issued by Eugene IV in 1442, jews were
forbidden to live with Christians or fill public functions.
"***** nimis absurdum," issued by Paul IV in 1555. It required Jews to wear
badges, and live in ghettos. This was reiterated by Pius IV in "dudum e
felicis recordationis" 1556; and on several occasions by "Saint" Pius V
1566-1569.
"Caeca et obdurata" Clement VIII, 1593, jews in papal lands must live in
ghettoes.
"A quo primum" 1751, Benedict XIV forbids freedoms for jews in poland in a
particularly nasty encyclical.
The roman ghetto was briefly abolished by Pius IX in 1848, but reinstated
it shortly thereafter. It wasn't closed until the popes lost the papal
states in 1870.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 06:16:43 PM

On 2-Jun-2004, George Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net> wrote:

So what? The pope is explicitly endorsing slavery here, which you claim
the
church never did. Where are the great christian principles here?

Okay, nitty gritty is, it goes against what Jesus taught. Bad Pope! But,
that's how wars were fought in the dark ages... and the Church then was a
human institution sunk into the dark ages along with everybody else. What
moral light shall we hold them up to?

Exactly, the church wasn't enlightened by secular humanism at that time,
so
its policies were barbaric.
While ordering slavery for saracens. So, we can agree that he was not
opposed to slavery in principle and he was inconsistent in his application

of morality. Situational ethics at its worst.

Again, it's the middle ages, and the Pope has consigned the prisoners to
slavery instead of torture and death. And no, there was no secular humanism
to rationalize that the Turks invaded Europe because they were
misunderstood, impoverished, or frustrated. With your 20/20 hindsight, you
will have to be the judge.

The Pope apologized, the Jews accepted. We're buddies now. EvilEd should now
apologise for mocking their holy scriptures and calling them evil.
H.

.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 07:05:45 PM

<hughbetcha@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
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On 2-Jun-2004, George Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@netscape.net> wrote:

So what? The pope is explicitly endorsing slavery here, which you claim
the
church never did. Where are the great christian principles here?

Jesus never said anything against slavery in the Bible. And there are
plenty of places in the New Testament were it says that slaves are supposed
to obey their masters.

application

of morality. Situational ethics at its worst.

Again, it's the middle ages, and the Pope has consigned the prisoners to
slavery instead of torture and death. And no, there was no secular

humanism

to rationalize that the Turks invaded Europe because they were
misunderstood, impoverished, or frustrated. With your 20/20 hindsight, you
will have to be the judge.

So your excuse is that slavery is better than torture and death??? That
pretty much includes any and every action. Rape is better than torture and
death. Do you approve of rape? And who the hell was going to torture and
kill these people? It was the same ones who enslaved them! Try thinking
before posting next time.

for

jews? Sounds like the nuremburg laws, right? Actually, these were papal
decrees.

The Pope apologized, the Jews accepted. We're buddies now. EvilEd should

now

apologise for mocking their holy scriptures and calling them evil.

The Pope never apologized. He said a bunch of mumble-jumble, but he never
apologized. Point out the exact words where you think the Pope apologized.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 08:05:33 PM

On 2-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Jesus never said anything against slavery in the Bible. And there are
plenty of places in the New Testament were it says that slaves are
supposed
to obey their masters.

Well, Jesus said all that 'love each other' and 'do unto others' stuff.

So your excuse is that slavery is better than torture and death???

Well, torture and death was kind of the standard procedure in the dark ages.

That
pretty much includes any and every action. Rape is better than torture
and
death. Do you approve of rape? And who the hell was going to torture and
kill these people? It was the same ones who enslaved them! Try thinking
before posting next time.

Like I said, EvilEd, 20/20 hindsight... which I hope you apply consistantly
in all issues...

The Pope never apologized. He said a bunch of mumble-jumble, but he never
apologized. Point out the exact words where you think the Pope
apologized.

"We are asking pardon for the divisions among Christians, for the use of
violence that some have committed in the service of truth, and for attitudes
of mistrust and hostility assumed toward followers of other religions...
Christians will acknowledge the sins committed by a not a few of their
number against the people of the Covenant. We are deeply saddened by the
behaviour of those who in the course of history have caused these children
of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness, we wish to commit ourselves
to genuine brotherhood,"
Well?
Is it your turn? No? Okay then. How about a wild eyed Moses chasing people
with a bloody axe?
H.
.

User: "George Tirebiter"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 09:06:11 PM

In article <8rednbTMi7vN5CPdRVn2hw@giganews.com>,

wrote:

On 2-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Jesus never said anything against slavery in the Bible. And there are
plenty of places in the New Testament were it says that slaves are
supposed
to obey their masters.

Well, Jesus said all that 'love each other' and 'do unto others' stuff.

So, why is that behavior so rare by the church that is supposed to be
spreading this message?

So your excuse is that slavery is better than torture and death???

Well, torture and death was kind of the standard procedure in the dark ages.

And what was the dominant organization in those terrible times? Why did
they set such an awful example?

Like I said, EvilEd, 20/20 hindsight... which I hope you apply consistantly
in all issues...

Yes. And the conclusion is that the catholic church is always behind the
curve when it comes to moral behavior. They're still behind the curve.
Maybe when the current pope finally goes to hell, the next one will get a
clue that priests fucking altar boys is wrong. The current hierarchy
certainly doesn't think so.

The Pope never apologized. He said a bunch of mumble-jumble, but he never
apologized. Point out the exact words where you think the Pope
apologized.

Yeah, there is no apology there. First off, as any kid in catechism class
knows, an act of contrition requires accepting responsibility for one's
action. The pope basically puts the blame on others. He doesn't admit the
truth, which is that the church actively persecuted jews for centuries.
That's not an apology.
Bless me father, for mistrust existed. Some people caused suffering. Others
have sinned and I regret that. But I am firmly resolved to let bygones be
bygones.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	02 Jun 2004 10:08:43 PM

On 2-Jun-2004, George Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@nospam.netscape.net> wrote:

So, why is that behavior so rare by the church that is supposed to be
spreading this message?

Not so rare. You have just been focusing on the negative.

And what was the dominant organization in those terrible times? Why did
they set such an awful example?

Are you kidding? If anyone kept their heads above water it was the Church.

Ah, yes. Moral behavior.
No capital punishment.- Waaaaaay behind.
Marriage should be 1 man and 1 woman. -Oh, how medieval!
Adultery is bad. -What a bunch of prudes.
You still can't kill. -But what if you're a member of a repressed minority?
Bastards.
Live together in peace and brotherhood. -And not have sex? Sickos!
Contraception is bad. -Oh please... next they'll tell us the age of consent
is too low.
Pedophilia is bad. -See? They're so repressive.
Be honest in your business dealings. -Riiiiight. Just how are you supposed
to get ahead?
All people are equal in dignity. -You can't possibly inlcude white males in
that.
Freaky 5-way carnival sex is to be avoided. -Oh, they expect everyone to
live like freakin' monks!
Abortion is wrong. -Oh, give me a break! Next they'll be expecting us to
take responsibility for our actions!
Take responsibility for... -That's it! You people are immoral! Sick! Get
away from me!
I think some things are better left 'behind the curve'

Yeah, there is no apology there.

We are asking pardon...
Christians will acknowledge the sins committed...
....and asking your forgiveness...
Yeah. What the heck was I thinking? Good thing 'ol George Tireeater was here
to correct me...

The pope basically puts the blame on others.

Are you suggesting that John Paul II personally committed all those crimes?
(he doesn't look *that* old)

any kid in catechism class
knows, an act of contrition requires accepting responsibility for one's
action.

Christians will acknowledge the sins committed by a not a few of their
number...

That's not an apology.

You wouldn't be trying to be intentionally *difficult* because of your uh...
shall we say, 'prejudice' would you?
H.
.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	03 Jun 2004 11:07:30 AM

<hughbetcha@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
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On 2-Jun-2004, George Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@nospam.netscape.net> wrote:

So, why is that behavior so rare by the church that is supposed to be
spreading this message?

Not so rare. You have just been focusing on the negative.

And what was the dominant organization in those terrible times? Why did
they set such an awful example?

Are you kidding? If anyone kept their heads above water it was the Church.

clue that priests fucking altar boys is wrong. The current hierarchy
certainly doesn't think so.

Ah, yes. Moral behavior.
No capital punishment.- Waaaaaay behind.

Sorry, but I think a total ban on capital punishment is immoral. I think it
is immoral to say that mass murderers like Hitler and Osama bin Laden do not
(or did not) deserve to die.
When is the Vatican going to condemn the allies for executing Nazi war
criminals? Are you willing to do the same?

Marriage should be 1 man and 1 woman. -Oh, how medieval!

That works for me, but it obviously doesn't work for the 5 to 10% of the
population that are homosexuals.

Adultery is bad. -What a bunch of prudes.

It's not as bad as torturing and killing people.

You still can't kill. -But what if you're a member of a repressed

minority?

Bastards.

Hey, they got one right! I wonder if they had a long debate before they
figured out that murder was wrong. Oh that's right, they didn't know this
until their god told them it was wrong.

Live together in peace and brotherhood.

Sounds good in theory.
-And not have sex? Sickos!
You forgot to add "...except with little altar boys".

Contraception is bad. -Oh please...

Contraception is good. It saves the world from the horrors of
overpopulation. Just look at all the starvation and disease in the many
largely Catholic third world countries.

next they'll tell us the age of consent
is too low.

Pedophilia is bad. -See? They're so repressive.

I have seen quite a few Catholic writings lately saying that pedophilia only
applies to sex with pre-pubescent children, not teen-agers.

Be honest in your business dealings. -Riiiiight. Just how are you supposed
to get ahead?
All people are equal in dignity. -You can't possibly inlcude white males

that.

The Vatican didn't feel that all people are equal for most of it's
existence. They were constantly condemning, and sometimes killing, the Jews
and still condemn atheists at nearly every chance they get.

Freaky 5-way carnival sex is to be avoided. -Oh, they expect everyone to
live like freakin' monks!

If no one is getting hurt, and they all want to do it, I don't see where
it's any of my business to be breaking up wild orgies. Many people think
that sex is a natural and wonderful thing even between multiple people, or
God forbid, people of the same sex! I think it is totally immoral to tell
consenting adults what they can or can't do in the privacy of their
bedrooms.

Abortion is wrong. -Oh, give me a break! Next they'll be expecting us to
take responsibility for our actions!

What about stem cell research? The Vatican is against that and real live
people are going to be harmed and killed because of your stupid religion and
the insane belief in the existence of a soul.

Take responsibility for... -That's it! You people are immoral! Sick! Get
away from me!

People should take responsibility for their actions. When is the Vatican
and it's brainless followers going to take responsibility for their actions?

I think some things are better left 'behind the curve'

Yeah, there is no apology there.

We are asking pardon...
Christians will acknowledge the sins committed...
...and asking your forgiveness...

The Pope made it very clear that the Vatican can never sin. He is blaming a
few nameless Catholics and refusing to accept the role of the entire
organization in these crimes. This is equivalent to a governor of South
Carolina blaming slavery in their state on a few unnamed "sinners" and
saying that the state did nothing wrong.

Yeah. What the heck was I thinking? Good thing 'ol George Tireeater was

here

to correct me...

The pope basically puts the blame on others.

Are you suggesting that John Paul II personally committed all those

crimes?

(he doesn't look *that* old)

The Church as an organization committed all these crimes. The Pope was very
clear when he said the Church can not sin. I don't see an apology here, do
you?

any kid in catechism class
knows, an act of contrition requires accepting responsibility for one's
action.

Christians will acknowledge the sins committed by a not a few of their
number...

The Pope has not accepted that the Church, as an organization, has done
anything wrong. In fact he has said the exact opposite.

That's not an apology.

You wouldn't be trying to be intentionally *difficult* because of your

uh...

shall we say, 'prejudice' would you?

An apology requires an acknowledgment of the offense, along with expressing
regret or asking pardon. The Pope never acknowledged the fault of the
Church in these offensives. He only blamed sinners in the Church. This
sounds like the "few bad apples" defense that the Church likes to use all
the time. Look at the pedophilia scandal. The Church never took any
responsibility for it's actions and always blamed it on a few bad apples.
.

User: "Scott"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	03 Jun 2004 02:10:54 PM

"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
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<hughbetcha@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
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On 2-Jun-2004, George Tirebiter <Tirebiter7@nospam.netscape.net> wrote:

So, why is that behavior so rare by the church that is supposed to be
spreading this message?

Not so rare. You have just been focusing on the negative.

And what was the dominant organization in those terrible times? Why

did

they set such an awful example?

Are you kidding? If anyone kept their heads above water it was the

Church.

Yes. And the conclusion is that the catholic church is always behind

the

curve when it comes to moral behavior. They're still behind the curve.
Maybe when the current pope finally goes to hell, the next one will

get

clue that priests fucking altar boys is wrong. The current hierarchy
certainly doesn't think so.

Ah, yes. Moral behavior.
No capital punishment.- Waaaaaay behind.

Sorry, but I think a total ban on capital punishment is immoral. I think

is immoral to say that mass murderers like Hitler and Osama bin Laden do

not

(or did not) deserve to die.

hell yea. those genes shouldn't be pass'n anything along.....cuz their a
threat to the survial of other genes.

When is the Vatican going to condemn the allies for executing Nazi war
criminals? Are you willing to do the same?

doesn't matter...cuz those genes are too old or too dead to pass along their
defects.

Marriage should be 1 man and 1 woman. -Oh, how medieval!

That works for me, but it obviously doesn't work for the 5 to 10% of the
population that are homosexuals.

Kill them too...cuz we don't want them pass'n along their genes,
either....ah never mind. They don't pass them on. Oh wait, they suck
resources away from the populating gene pool. Hell, kill them anyway.

Adultery is bad. -What a bunch of prudes.

It's not as bad as torturing and killing people.

Unless they happen to be Osama bin Laden's genes

You still can't kill. -But what if you're a member of a repressed

minority?

Bastards.

Hey, they got one right! I wonder if they had a long debate before they
figured out that murder was wrong. Oh that's right, they didn't know this
until their god told them it was wrong.

Who told you?

Live together in peace and brotherhood.

Sounds good in theory.

You have a moral theory?

-And not have sex? Sickos!

You forgot to add "...except with little altar boys".

Contraception is bad. -Oh please...

Contraception is good. It saves the world from the horrors of
overpopulation. Just look at all the starvation and disease in the many
largely Catholic third world countries.

hell yea. Genes don't want everybody populating other genes cuz there ain't
enough planet to go around. Kill 'em. Make room for the other species.....to
be eaten.

next they'll tell us the age of consent
is too low.

Pedophilia is bad. -See? They're so repressive.

I have seen quite a few Catholic writings lately saying that pedophilia

only

applies to sex with pre-pubescent children, not teen-agers.

That is how it's defined:
http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355
According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by
an adult with a prepubescent child.

Be honest in your business dealings. -Riiiiight. Just how are you

supposed

to get ahead?
All people are equal in dignity. -You can't possibly inlcude white males

that.

The Vatican didn't feel that all people are equal for most of it's
existence. They were constantly condemning, and sometimes killing, the

Jews

and still condemn atheists at nearly every chance they get.

Freaky 5-way carnival sex is to be avoided. -Oh, they expect everyone to
live like freakin' monks!

Unless it's Osama bin Laden try'n to pass along his genes.

Abortion is wrong. -Oh, give me a break! Next they'll be expecting us to
take responsibility for our actions!

What about stem cell research? The Vatican is against that and real live
people are going to be harmed and killed because of your stupid religion

and

the insane belief in the existence of a soul.

helps keep the planet from be'n over populated.

Take responsibility for... -That's it! You people are immoral! Sick! Get
away from me!

People should take responsibility for their actions. When is the Vatican
and it's brainless followers going to take responsibility for their

actions?
Genes are selfish and have no use for responsibility

I think some things are better left 'behind the curve'

Yeah, there is no apology there.

We are asking pardon...
Christians will acknowledge the sins committed...
...and asking your forgiveness...

The Pope made it very clear that the Vatican can never sin. He is blaming

few nameless Catholics and refusing to accept the role of the entire
organization in these crimes. This is equivalent to a governor of South
Carolina blaming slavery in their state on a few unnamed "sinners" and
saying that the state did nothing wrong.

Since many a government official has been outside the law does this mean the
principles of the Union is as fault?

Yeah. What the heck was I thinking? Good thing 'ol George Tireeater was

here

to correct me...

The pope basically puts the blame on others.

Are you suggesting that John Paul II personally committed all those

crimes?

(he doesn't look *that* old)

The Church as an organization committed all these crimes. The Pope was

very

clear when he said the Church can not sin. I don't see an apology here,

you?

any kid in catechism class
knows, an act of contrition requires accepting responsibility for

one's

action.

Christians will acknowledge the sins committed by a not a few of their
number...

The Pope has not accepted that the Church, as an organization, has done
anything wrong. In fact he has said the exact opposite.

Is it the Constittutions falt that Nixon lied.
Scott
damn. my replies are starting to look like those to Dan Fake. I wonder why
that's so. Prolly, cuz Baba is like Fake.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	03 Jun 2004 04:22:11 PM

On 3-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Sorry, but I think a total ban on capital punishment is immoral. I think
it
is immoral to say that mass murderers like Hitler and Osama bin Laden do
not
(or did not) deserve to die.

When is the Vatican going to condemn the allies for executing Nazi war
criminals? Are you willing to do the same?

It's not easy being Christian. The ends do not justify the means (I struggle
with this one, myself) mass murderers should not be killed. It's the old 2
wrongs and a right thing...

Marriage should be 1 man and 1 woman. -Oh, how medieval!

That works for me, but it obviously doesn't work for the 5 to 10% of the
population that are homosexuals.

(I was comparing Catholic values with secular values in a sarcastic
fashion... just in case you didn't get it.) 5-10% of folks are homosexual.
They can't marry. Being a man, I can't bear children. My daughter cannot be
a priest. That's life.

Adultery is bad. -What a bunch of prudes.

It's not as bad as torturing and killing people.

Torturing is bad. -Not if it's consensual!

Hey, they got one right! I wonder if they had a long debate before they
figured out that murder was wrong. Oh that's right, they didn't know this
until their god told them it was wrong.

Natural law and divine law are in agreement on this issue.

Live together in peace and brotherhood.

Sounds good in theory.

-And not have sex? Sickos!

You forgot to add "...except with little altar boys".

Such hypocrisy! 85% of the sexual abuse cases that have occured were between
homsexual priests and teenage boys. Something secular, atheistic society
would call a 'normal, consensual relationship.'

Contraception is good. It saves the world from the horrors of
overpopulation. Just look at all the starvation and disease in the many
largely Catholic third world countries.

Reality check! Ready? Here it comes...
A) Those countries have little government, and what they do have is
incompetent or corrupt, they are torn by continuous civil, ethnic and
religious warfare, they have little or no civil liberties, no
infrastructure, no power, no clean water. To blame their problems on the
Church's contraceptive policy is beyond absurd.
B) The Church also bans fornication, and it's a much worse sin than using
contraception. It's just as absurd to say that there are millions of people
ignoring the 'ban' on fornication, but for some strange reason are *obeying*
the ban on contraception.
C) Which countries are suffering from overpopulation? India? China?
Bangladesh? Not Catholic countries. It would this is not exclusively a
'Catholic problem.'

I have seen quite a few Catholic writings lately saying that pedophilia
only
applies to sex with pre-pubescent children, not teen-agers.

Catholic writings? It's a general trend in all of our society, teens seem to
no longer be considered children at all. Besides, if the Church changes it's
position on sex before marriage, or the evil of exploiting children, I'm
sure we'll all hear about it.

The Vatican didn't feel that all people are equal for most of it's
existence. They were constantly condemning, and sometimes killing, the
Jews
and still condemn atheists at nearly every chance they get.

*sigh* Haven't we been over that? Read the Catechism and see what it
condemns.

I couldn't give a rat's arse what consenting adults do to each other either,
BUT, fornication (especially of the 'freaky' sort) is injurious to our
dignity as human beings, and if between same sexes, against the natural law.

What about stem cell research? The Vatican is against that and real live
people are going to be harmed and killed because of your stupid religion
and
the insane belief in the existence of a soul.

It's back to the end not justifying the means. It's wrong to kill a living
being, even if it is to save another. I'm sure you wouldn't murder a child
to save another. Just who decides when a fetus (which, apparently, is not a
person and completely disposable) becomes a person (and is therefore
'worthy' of being allowed to live.)?

An apology requires an acknowledgment of the offense, along with
expressing
regret or asking pardon.

He did that.

. The Pope never acknowledged the fault of the
Church in these offensives. He only blamed sinners in the Church.

The Church is the Christians that form it, and they are all sinners.

Look at the pedophilia scandal. The Church never took any
responsibility for it's actions and always blamed it on a few bad apples.

Well, actually, it was just a few 'bad apples', but the whole affair was
handled in a deplorable way, and that has been recognized, and reforms are
being made. However, the truth is, it was not caused by priestly celibacy,
or by the lack of female priests, as secular society seems to think.
H.
.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	03 Jun 2004 11:07:19 PM

<hughbetcha@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
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On 3-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Sorry, but I think a total ban on capital punishment is immoral. I

think

it
is immoral to say that mass murderers like Hitler and Osama bin Laden do
not
(or did not) deserve to die.

When is the Vatican going to condemn the allies for executing Nazi war
criminals? Are you willing to do the same?

It's not easy being Christian. The ends do not justify the means (I

struggle

with this one, myself) mass murderers should not be killed. It's the old 2
wrongs and a right thing...

Go look at yourself in the mirror and tell us explicitly that the allies
were *wrong* for executing Nazi war criminals. Weren't you the one who was
telling us that people should be responsible for their actions? What sort
of punishment does a person like Hitler deserve, three hots and a cot?

Marriage should be 1 man and 1 woman. -Oh, how medieval!

That works for me, but it obviously doesn't work for the 5 to 10% of the
population that are homosexuals.

a priest. That's life.

A couple of hundred years ago you would be saying the same things about
blacks and slavery, and women and the vote. That's not life, that's
immorality.

Adultery is bad. -What a bunch of prudes.

It's not as bad as torturing and killing people.

Torturing is bad. -Not if it's consensual!

Hey, they got one right! I wonder if they had a long debate before they
figured out that murder was wrong. Oh that's right, they didn't know

this

until their god told them it was wrong.

Natural law and divine law are in agreement on this issue.

Tell it to the graves of the people murdered by your church and religion.

Live together in peace and brotherhood.

Sounds good in theory.

-And not have sex? Sickos!

You forgot to add "...except with little altar boys".

Such hypocrisy! 85% of the sexual abuse cases that have occured were

between

homsexual priests and teenage boys. Something secular, atheistic society
would call a 'normal, consensual relationship.'

If someone has sex with teenage boys who are under the age of consent, we
call that statutory rape and throw them in jail. For some reason the
Catholic Church hides the evidence, forgives the perverts, and transfers the
pervert to a different area where he can do it all over again.

Contraception is good. It saves the world from the horrors of
overpopulation. Just look at all the starvation and disease in the many
largely Catholic third world countries.

people

ignoring the 'ban' on fornication, but for some strange reason are

*obeying*

the ban on contraception.
C) Which countries are suffering from overpopulation? India? China?
Bangladesh? Not Catholic countries. It would this is not exclusively a
'Catholic problem.'

Overpopulation is not exclusively a Catholic problem but it is pretty clear
that Catholicism is at least partially responsible for overpopulation in
many third world countries, especially in Central and South America.

I have seen quite a few Catholic writings lately saying that pedophilia
only
applies to sex with pre-pubescent children, not teen-agers.

Catholic writings? It's a general trend in all of our society, teens seem

no longer be considered children at all. Besides, if the Church changes

it's

position on sex before marriage, or the evil of exploiting children, I'm
sure we'll all hear about it.

When the Vatican starts routinely expelling priests for molesting altar boys
let me know. It hasn't happened yet.

The Vatican didn't feel that all people are equal for most of it's
existence. They were constantly condemning, and sometimes killing, the
Jews
and still condemn atheists at nearly every chance they get.

*sigh* Haven't we been over that? Read the Catechism and see what it
condemns.

It condemns masturbation!

If no one is getting hurt, and they all want to do it, I don't see where
it's any of my business to be breaking up wild orgies. Many people

think

that sex is a natural and wonderful thing even between multiple people,

God forbid, people of the same sex! I think it is totally immoral to

tell

consenting adults what they can or can't do in the privacy of their
bedrooms.

I couldn't give a rat's arse what consenting adults do to each other

either,

BUT, fornication (especially of the 'freaky' sort) is injurious to our
dignity as human beings, and if between same sexes, against the natural

law.
"Injurious to the dignity as human beings", didn't they say the same thing
about inter-racial marriage?

What about stem cell research? The Vatican is against that and real

live

people are going to be harmed and killed because of your stupid religion
and
the insane belief in the existence of a soul.

person and completely disposable) becomes a person (and is therefore
'worthy' of being allowed to live.)?

But only brain-dead religious freaks consider a couple of dozen cells,
smaller than a pin head, the same as a real live person.

An apology requires an acknowledgment of the offense, along with
expressing
regret or asking pardon.

He did that.

. The Pope never acknowledged the fault of the
Church in these offensives. He only blamed sinners in the Church.

The Church is the Christians that form it, and they are all sinners.

The Church is an organization. It makes no sense to say that the Church can
not sin like the Pope said.

Look at the pedophilia scandal. The Church never took any
responsibility for it's actions and always blamed it on a few bad

apples.

The priest pedophile problem was fueled by the Catholic policies of not
reporting these crimes to the police and the public, forgiving the perverts,
and transferring them to other places to continue their crimes.
.

User: "Scott"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	04 Jun 2004 10:04:01 AM

"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
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On 3-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Sorry, but I think a total ban on capital punishment is immoral. I

think

it
is immoral to say that mass murderers like Hitler and Osama bin Laden

not
(or did not) deserve to die.

When is the Vatican going to condemn the allies for executing Nazi war
criminals? Are you willing to do the same?

It's not easy being Christian. The ends do not justify the means (I

struggle

with this one, myself) mass murderers should not be killed. It's the old

wrongs and a right thing...

Go look at yourself in the mirror and tell us explicitly that the allies
were *wrong* for executing Nazi war criminals. Weren't you the one who

was

telling us that people should be responsible for their actions? What sort
of punishment does a person like Hitler deserve, three hots and a cot?

Marriage should be 1 man and 1 woman. -Oh, how medieval!

That works for me, but it obviously doesn't work for the 5 to 10% of

the

population that are homosexuals.

(I was comparing Catholic values with secular values in a sarcastic
fashion... just in case you didn't get it.) 5-10% of folks are

homosexual.

They can't marry. Being a man, I can't bear children. My daughter cannot

a priest. That's life.

A couple of hundred years ago you would be saying the same things about
blacks and slavery, and women and the vote. That's not life, that's
immorality.

Adultery is bad. -What a bunch of prudes.

It's not as bad as torturing and killing people.

Torturing is bad. -Not if it's consensual!

Hey, they got one right! I wonder if they had a long debate before

they

figured out that murder was wrong. Oh that's right, they didn't know

this

until their god told them it was wrong.

Natural law and divine law are in agreement on this issue.

Tell it to the graves of the people murdered by your church and religion.

Live together in peace and brotherhood.

Sounds good in theory.

-And not have sex? Sickos!

You forgot to add "...except with little altar boys".

Such hypocrisy! 85% of the sexual abuse cases that have occured were

between

homsexual priests and teenage boys. Something secular, atheistic society
would call a 'normal, consensual relationship.'

the

pervert to a different area where he can do it all over again.

Sex with boys was perfectly acceptable to ancient Greek society. IIRC it was
even considered an honor.
Scott
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User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required	04 Jun 2004 11:15:46 AM

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On 3-Jun-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

Sorry, but I think a total ban on capital punishment is immoral. I

think

it
is immoral to say that mass murderers like Hitler and Osama bin

Laden

not
(or did not) deserve to die.

When is the Vatican going to condemn the allies for executing Nazi

war

criminals? Are you willing to do the same?

It's not easy being Christian. The ends do not justify the means (I

struggle

with this one, myself) mass murderers should not be killed. It's the

old

wrongs and a right thing...

Go look at yourself in the mirror and tell us explicitly that the allies
were *wrong* for executing Nazi war criminals. Weren't you the one who

was

telling us that people should be responsible for their actions? What

sort

of punishment does a person like Hitler deserve, three hots and a cot?

Marriage should be 1 man and 1 woman. -Oh, how medieval!

That works for me, but it obviously doesn't work for the 5 to 10% of

the

population that are homosexuals.

(I was comparing Catholic values with secular values in a sarcastic
fashion... just in case you didn't get it.) 5-10% of folks are

homosexual.

They can't marry. Being a man, I can't bear children. My daughter

cannot

a priest. That's life.

A couple of hundred years ago you would be saying the same things about
blacks and slavery, and women and the vote. That's not life, that's
immorality.

Adultery is bad. -What a bunch of prudes.

It's not as bad as torturing and killing people.

Torturing is bad. -Not if it's consensual!

Hey, they got one right! I wonder if they had a long debate before

they

figured out that murder was wrong. Oh that's right, they didn't

know

this

until their god told them it was wrong.

Natural law and divine law are in agreement on this issue.

Tell it to the graves of the people murdered by your church and

religion.

Live together in peace and brotherhood.

Sounds good in theory.

-And not have sex? Sickos!

You forgot to add "...except with little altar boys".

Such hypocrisy! 85% of the sexual abuse cases that have occured were

between

homsexual priests and teenage boys. Something secular, atheistic

society

would call a 'normal, consensual relationship.'

If someone has sex with teenage boys who are under the age of consent,

call that statutory rape and throw them in jail. For some reason the
Catholic Church hides the evidence, forgives the perverts, and transfers

the

pervert to a different area where he can do it all over again.

Sex with boys was perfectly acceptable to ancient Greek society. IIRC it

was

even considered an honor.

I'll bet you dream of those good ole days, when perverts ruled. You are one
sick *****.
.