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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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03 Dec 2007 12:45:27 AM |
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semi-OT - Best pundit ever. |
George F. Will's editorial from the Washington Post
( http://www.washingtonpost.com/ ) today:
Candidates demonstrating clarity
December 2, 2007
As the presidential nomination contests approach a crescendo, some
candidates
are making themselves perilously clear, one of them with the help of her
helpmate.
Arthur Balfour, the British statesman, once said that a rival's clarity
was a liability because he had nothing to say. As the presidential
nomination
contests approach a crescendo, some candidates are making themselves
perilously
clear, one of them with the help of her helpmate.
Last Tuesday, Bill Clinton, trying to whet Iowans' appetites for another
Clinton presidency, announced/discovered/remembered that he opposed the
Iraq war "from the beginning,"
LOL
thereby revealing disharmony with his spouse,
who voted for it. Backward reels the mind, to 1992, when Gov. Clinton
explained
his opinion of Congress' 1991 authorization of the Gulf War: "I guess I
would have voted with the majority if it was a close vote. But I agree
with the arguments the minority made."
Stick that finger in the air.
Such muddiness clarifies: Do voters who are weary of the scary clarity of
the current president's certitudes really want to replace them with a
recurrence
of the hairsplitting evasions that created the adjective "Clintonian"?
LOL
About one thing, Hillary Clinton is, remarkably, both clear and opaque:
Jefferson is anachronistic. "We can talk all we want about freedom and
opportunity, about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but what
does all that mean to a mother or father who can't take a sick child to
the doctor?" Well, OK, what does "all that" mean to someone stuck in
congested
traffic? Or annoyed by the price of cable television? What does Mrs.
Clinton mean?
;)
John Edwards' health care agenda involves un-Jeffersonian bossiness. "It
requires," he says, "that everybody get preventive care. If you are going
to be in the system, you can't choose not to go to the doctor for 20
years."
In an ad running in Iowa, Edwards brandishes his mailed fist at Congress,
to which he vows to say: "If you don't pass universal health care by July
of 2009, in six months, I'm going to use my power as president to take
your health care away from you."
What power would that be? What power enables presidents to "take" health
care from people who have it by statute? This is the Democrats' riposte
to the grandiosity of the current president's notion of executive
prerogatives?
Edwards might, however, reconsider - he is, after all, a serial
apologizer.
Of his actions during his six years in the Senate, he says: My vote for
the Iraq war? Sorry about that. For the Patriot Act? I don't know what
I was thinking. For No Child Left Behind? Oops! For liberalized trade with
China? Forgive me. For storing waste in Nevada's Yucca Mountain? I was
for it before I was against it.
<grin>
On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee's candidacy rests on serial non
sequiturs:
I am a Christian, therefore I am a conservative, therefore whatever I have
done or propose to do with "compassionate," meaning enlarged, government
is conservatism. And by the way, anything I denote as a "moral" issue is
beyond debate other than by the uncaring forces of greed.
;)
His is a
moralist's version of the intellectual vanity once ascribed
to Oxford's Benjamin Jowett:
My name is Jowett
Of Balliol College;
If I don't know it,
It is not knowledge.
Many Iowans think it would be wise to nominate a candidate who, when the
Republicans were asked during a debate to raise their hands if they do
not believe in evolution, raised his. But, then, Huckabee believes America
can be energy independent in 10 years, so he has peculiar views about more
than paleontology.
Excellent. :)
Huckabee combines pure moralism with incoherent populism: He wants
Washington
to impose a nationwide ban on smoking in public, show more solicitude for
Americans of modest means and impose more protectionism, thereby raising
the cost of living for Americans of modest means.
Although Huckabee is considered affable, two subliminal but clear enough
premises of his Iowa attack on Mitt Romney are unpleasant: The almost 6
million American Mormons who consider themselves Christians are mistaken
about that. And - 55 million non-Christian Americans should take note -
America must have a Christian president.
Whoa.
Another pious populist who was annoyed by Darwin - William Jennings Bryan
- argued that William Howard Taft, his opponent in the 1908 presidential
election, was unfit to be president because he was a Unitarian, a
persuasion
sometimes defined as the belief that there is at most one God.
Interesting.
The electorate
chose to run the risk of entrusting the presidency to someone skeptical
about the doctrine of the Trinity.
Cool all around.
If Huckabee succeeds in derailing Romney's campaign by raising a religious
test for presidential eligibility, that will be clarifying: In one
particular, America was more enlightened a century ago.
Awsome.
Best pundit ever.
--
rb #2187
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: semi-OT - Best pundit ever. |
05 Dec 2007 12:38:05 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:4753a5f8$0$2380$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Candidates demonstrating clarity
December 2, 2007
As the presidential nomination contests approach a crescendo, some
candidates
are making themselves perilously clear, one of them with the help of her
helpmate
Gee, where is everybody. Off feeding trolls?
Or is it too confusing when religiosity is dissed by
a "Conservative", IPU forfend!
Where are you, Fred Stone? This should be right
up your alley. Or is it too on-topic?
And Michelle, I can imagine why you would be
stymied.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: semi-OT - Best pundit ever. |
05 Dec 2007 03:53:46 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:4756473a$0$2325$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:4753a5f8$0$2380$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Candidates demonstrating clarity
December 2, 2007
As the presidential nomination contests approach a crescendo, some
candidates
are making themselves perilously clear, one of them with the help of her
helpmate
Gee, where is everybody. Off feeding trolls?
Or is it too confusing when religiosity is dissed by
a "Conservative", IPU forfend!
Romney and Huckabee don't know when to shut
up on the topic.
Where are you, Fred Stone? This should be right
up your alley. Or is it too on-topic?
It doesn't mention the war. That's his big thing.
And it doesn't mention his dreamboat, Shrubby.
And Michelle, I can imagine why you would be
stymied.
Stymied about what? I told you that John
Edwards was my choice. In any case, I'm
voting for the Democrat. The Republicans
all come across as totally corrupt (Giuliani),
totally hypocritical (Romney & McCain), too
bloody conservative (Paul) or totally stupid
(Huckabee).
Last poll I saw, Edwards was up three points.
It's a start. The big three are getting closer
and closer pointwise. Obama was also up
three points, but Clinton was down about
thirteen points!
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: semi-OT - Best pundit ever. |
05 Dec 2007 09:36:10 PM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:A8ednS1oXcyA6MvanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:4756473a$0$2325$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:4753a5f8$0$2380$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Candidates demonstrating clarity
December 2, 2007
As the presidential nomination contests approach a crescendo, some
candidates
are making themselves perilously clear, one of them with the help of
her
helpmate
Gee, where is everybody. Off feeding trolls?
Or is it too confusing when religiosity is dissed by
a "Conservative", IPU forfend!
Romney and Huckabee don't know when to shut
up on the topic.
"perilously clear"
Where are you, Fred Stone? This should be right
up your alley. Or is it too on-topic?
It doesn't mention the war. That's his big thing.
And it doesn't mention his dreamboat, Shrubby.
Hmm, yeah. You may have a better handle
on his M.O.
And Michelle, I can imagine why you would be
stymied.
Stymied about what? I told you that John
Edwards was my choice.
My apologies, I didn't see it. I'm with roadrunner
and they used to be good but for the past couple
years they haven't been.
In any case, I'm
voting for the Democrat.
Well, no surprise there. :)
The Republicans
all come across as totally corrupt (Giuliani),
totally hypocritical (Romney & McCain), too
bloody conservative (Paul) or totally stupid
(Huckabee).
I'm not real fired up about any of them either.
And it's too early. There are too many of them
track.
(I don't see that McCain is hypocritical. He
is unmistakably a hawk and that is why his
campaign is floundering.)
Last poll I saw, Edwards was up three points.
It's a start. The big three are getting closer
and closer pointwise. Obama was also up
three points, but Clinton was down about
thirteen points!
It's looking like it is going to be an interesting
race. From what I have been seeing Clinton
has had a small but firm lead for weeks now.
But it's early yet.
Anyway, I though the originally posted column
was one of George Will's more entertaining works.
Here was a well known conservative, who
liberals would automatically disagree with, giving
a scathing critique of most of the candidates
including the Republicans. And as a bonus,
he bashed religion in politics. I wonder if he is one
of us.
--
rb #2187
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: semi-OT - Best pundit ever. |
05 Dec 2007 10:22:06 PM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:4756473a$0$2325$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:4753a5f8$0$2380$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Candidates demonstrating clarity
December 2, 2007
As the presidential nomination contests approach a crescendo, some
candidates
are making themselves perilously clear, one of them with the help of
her
helpmate
Gee, where is everybody. Off feeding trolls?
Or is it too confusing when religiosity is dissed by
a "Conservative", IPU forfend!
Romney and Huckabee don't know when to shut
up on the topic.
"perilously clear"
Where are you, Fred Stone? This should be right
up your alley. Or is it too on-topic?
It doesn't mention the war. That's his big thing.
And it doesn't mention his dreamboat, Shrubby.
Hmm, yeah. You may have a better handle
on his M.O.
And Michelle, I can imagine why you would be
stymied.
Stymied about what? I told you that John
Edwards was my choice.
My apologies, I didn't see it. I'm with roadrunner
and they used to be good but for the past couple
years they haven't been.
In any case, I'm
voting for the Democrat.
Well, no surprise there. :)
The Republicans
all come across as totally corrupt (Giuliani),
totally hypocritical (Romney & McCain), too
bloody conservative (Paul) or totally stupid
(Huckabee).
I'm not real fired up about any of them either.
And it's too early. There are too many of them
track.
(I don't see that McCain is hypocritical. He
is unmistakably a hawk and that is why his
campaign is floundering.)
He started out a couple years ago sounding
so moderate that some Democrats (not me)
were suggesting that he run as Vice President
with one of the Democrats. Then, when he
started running for President, he suddenly
became Mr. Conservative. This angered a lot
of people. Not me. I expected it.
Last poll I saw, Edwards was up three points.
It's a start. The big three are getting closer
and closer pointwise. Obama was also up
three points, but Clinton was down about
thirteen points!
It's looking like it is going to be an interesting
race. From what I have been seeing Clinton
has had a small but firm lead for weeks now.
But it's early yet.
Anyway, I though the originally posted column
was one of George Will's more entertaining works.
Here was a well known conservative, who
liberals would automatically disagree with, giving
a scathing critique of most of the candidates
including the Republicans. And as a bonus,
he bashed religion in politics. I wonder if he is one
of us.
--
rb #2187
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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05 Dec 2007 10:04:20 PM |
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On Dec 5, 10:36 pm, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
(I don't see that McCain is hypocritical. He
is unmistakably a hawk and that is why his
campaign is floundering.)
I do. He was one of the principal people pushing the John Warner
National Defense Authorization Act. That was the law that completely
stripped control of the National Guard away from state governors and
put it directly in the hands of the federal government. It was a
completely anti-conservative measure and one which all state governors
opposed. The National Guard is now a de jure as well as de facto arm
of the federal government, leaving the states high and dry. What is
particularly offensive is that every single Republican senator voted
for the Warner Act yet they still fraudulently claim to support states
rights and limited government.
In my favorite local newspaper, the Buffalo Beast, he was #1 in their
50 Most Loathsome People in America 2006 list, the spots formerly held
by Pat Robertson in 2005 and Kenneth Blackwell in 2004.
http://www.buffalobeast.com/113/50_most_loathsome_2006.htm
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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