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"loose cannon" |
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13 Jun 2005 11:33:38 PM |
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Senate apologizes for history of lynchings |
Negroes have been having a rough time in this country since the early
1600's. An apology is an insult; if the Senate is truly sorry, they'll
erect a large statue of a negro dangling from a tree on the White House
lawn as a fitting memorial.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/11887671.htm
Senate apologizes for history of lynchings
WASHINGTON - (KRT) - The Senate apologized Monday to lynching victims
and their descendants, a belated attempt to make amends for what some
lawmakers acknowledged was the Senate's shameful 19th- and 20th-
century history of blocking efforts to end the grisly practice of
lynching African Americans.
With the survivor of a lynching and families of victims watching from
the Senate's visitors' gallery, Sen. Mary Landrieu, a Louisiana
Democrat and main sponsor of the legislation calling for a rare Senate
apology, spoke with an unusual visual aid. It was a gruesome 1930s-era
photo of a black lynching victim hanging from a tree as a white mob,
including children, looked on, with many of them smiling.
"The Senate was wrong not to act," she said, referring to the chamber's
repeated failure over a nearly 100-year period to support the efforts
of the House and seven presidents to make lynching a federal crime.
Those efforts were undone over the decades by filibusters by Southern
senators, either racists themselves or unwilling to anger racist
constituents. Available records indicate mobs, often with the
complicity of local officials, lynched at least 4,742 people,
three-fourths of them black, between 1882 and 1968.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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18 Jun 2005 04:44:31 AM |
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"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Murder is illegal. There are no laws against lynching.
There are no specific laws against killing someone with a staple gun,
either. That's why we use the all-purpose term "murder".
It's wrong to water down the seriousness of lynching into simple murder.
That's like calling terrorism a simple nuisance.
If you don't die
and the lyncher played his cards right they could string you up and
either
get away with it or be charged with a lesser crime.
Yes, attempted murder, which also carries a sentence of up to life in
prison.
It's wrong to equate an entire community, stringing up some poor fellow -
with simple murder.
Clearly, it's a much more serious issue, and should be treated as such.
Why should someone get less punishment because they tried to kill one
person as opposed to another?
Because sometimes, killing a person is not murder.
Sometimes, it's part of something far more evil - like Genocide.
Lynching also implies a crowd
It does no such thing.
You might ougtta consider looking stuff up before you just lash out like
that.
It's bad enough you're a fool, do you have to be ignorant as well?
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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18 Jun 2005 10:08:11 AM |
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In article <32Sse.2157$Nz2.1658@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
"Sanders Kaufman" <NNTP@kaufman.net> wrote:
"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-41E6FF.09303916062005@news.east.earthlink.net...
Murder is illegal. There are no laws against lynching.
There are no specific laws against killing someone with a staple gun,
either. That's why we use the all-purpose term "murder".
It's wrong to water down the seriousness of lynching into simple murder.
That's like calling terrorism a simple nuisance.
If you don't die
and the lyncher played his cards right they could string you up and
either get away with it or be charged with a lesser crime.
Yes, attempted murder, which also carries a sentence of up to life in
prison.
It's wrong to equate an entire community, stringing up some poor fellow -
with simple murder.
No, it's not because that's precisely what it is.
Clearly, it's a much more serious issue, and should be treated as such.
Taking a human life is always serious and one person's death is no more
serious than any other's.
Why should someone get less punishment because they tried to kill one
person as opposed to another?
Because sometimes, killing a person is not murder.
Actually, chief, killing a person with intent contrary to law is
*always* murder.
Sometimes, it's part of something far more evil - like Genocide.
And we already have laws against genocide, too. Look it up. Here's the
cite:
18 United States Code, Section 1091
Lynching also implies a crowd
It does no such thing.
You might ougtta consider looking stuff up before you just lash out like
that.
First, define "lashing out". I just want to get a baseline definition so
we can compare it to your own posts and see how you come out. It's
amazing how when you make an unsupported statement, it's apparently
perfectly appropriate but when anyone else does it, it becomes
"ignorant" and "lashing out".
Next, cite me something other than your own baseless assertion that says
the term "lynching" in and of itself implies a crowd. Since many
lynchings historically took place in the dead of night and were
perpetrated by no more than two or three individuals, that alone gives
lie to your claim.
But even if we accept your statement as true for the sake of argument,
we already have laws against crimes committed by mobs of people, also.
They're called the felony-murder rule, RICO and conspiracy laws.
Everyone can be held liable just as if they'd held the rope themselves.
As I've illustrated, this law you want to have passed is already covered
several times by several different statutes already on the books. The
statutes just don't use the term "lynching" so it doesn't soothe your
liberal guilt. This has nothing to do with actually punishing criminals.
It's all about making a political statement and the penal code is not
the place for that kind of grandstanding. We already have enough laws in
this country. People who lynch other people are dealt with as severely
as anyone else who commits a murder.
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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14 Jun 2005 03:07:29 PM |
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I always thought that killing someone just because you were pissed was
murder.
I also always thought murder was against the law.
Who, in their right mind, believes that a mob of enraged Democrats is going
to give a rat's ***** whether or not who they are pissed-off about is going to
desist in hanging some poor ***** just because the Senate passes a law
making lynching a crime?
Next thing you know, these liberal senate tear-jerkers are going to start
whining about apologizing to the GITMO terrorists, plus giving them
pensions.
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| User: "maff" |
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14 Jun 2005 05:16:04 PM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
I always thought that killing someone just because you were pissed was
murder.
I also always thought murder was against the law.
Who, in their right mind, believes that a mob of enraged Democrats is going
to give a rat's ***** whether or not who they are pissed-off about is going to
desist in hanging some poor ***** just because the Senate passes a law
making lynching a crime?
They all became Republicans after the 'Southern Strategy'.
Southern Strategy
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk/msg/e099ef4d46580f6
Next thing you know, these liberal senate tear-jerkers are going to start
whining about apologizing to the GITMO terrorists, plus giving them
pensions.
What about Confederate, Christian fundamentalist and Klan terrorists?
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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15 Jun 2005 12:00:53 AM |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8206697/
Senate apologizes for inaction on lynchings
Lawmakers express contrition for condoning ‘this terrorism in America’
WASHINGTON - The Senate late Monday formally apologized for having
rejected decades of pleas to make lynching a federal crime as scores
victims’ descendants watched from the chamber’s gallery.
On a voice vote and without opposition, the Senate passed a resolution
expressing its regrets to the relatives as well as to the nearly 5,000
Americans who were documented as having been lynched from 1880 to 1960.
These deaths occurred without trials, mostly in the South, often with
the knowledge of local officials who allowed mob lynchings to become
picture-taking, public spectacles.
Some 4,743 people were killed by mob violence between 1882 and 1968,
according to Tuskegee University records. Of those, nearly
three-fourths, 3,446, were African Americans. Lynchings reached a peak
of 230 in 1892, but they were prevalent well into the 1930s. Twenty
lynchings were reported in 1935.
Hundreds of bills rebuffed
During that time, nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in
Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and
1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law.
But the Senate, with Southern conservatives wielding their filibuster
powers, refused to act. With the enactment of civil rights laws in the
1960s and changes in national attitudes, the issue faded away.
Such legislation would have made lynching a federal crime and allowed
the U.S. government to prosecute those responsible, including local law
enforcement officers.
Signatures missing
Dan Duster, a descendant of Ida B. Wells, a former slave who became an
anti-lynching crusader, praised senators who publicly backed the
resolution of apology and scorned those who did not.
No lawmaker opposed the measure, but 20 of the 100 senators had not
signed a statement of support of it shortly before a vote was taken on a
nearly empty Senate floor.
“I think it’s politics. They’re afraid of losing votes from people of
prejudice,” Duster said of those who did not sign the statement of
support.
The resolution was first proposed last year by Sens. Mary Landrieu, a
Louisiana Democrat, and George Allen, a Virginia Republican, after they
read the book, “Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography in America,” a
pictorial history by James Allen.
“The more I learned about this terrorism in America, the more committed
I became to doing something positive and passing this resolution,”
Landrieu said.
“The Senate failed these Americans,” Allen said. “If we truly want to
move forward, we must admit that failure and learn from it.”
Apology extends to descendants
The resolution expresses apologies not only to the victims of lynchings,
but also to their descendants, nearly 200 of whom came to the Capitol to
witness passage of the measure.
Also there was James Cameron, 91, believed to be the only known lynching
survivor. Cameron was arrested in August 1930 in Marion, Ind., and taken
to jail along with two of his friends for the murder of a white man and
suspected rape of a white woman.
A mob broke into the jail and pulled the three out. Cameron’s two
friends were hanged, and a noose was placed around the neck of Cameron,
then a 16-year-old shoeshine boy.
But as the noose was tightened, a voice reportedly shouted out that
Cameron was guilty of no crime. He was returned to his cell and later
convicted of being an accessory to the white man’s death. He was
pardoned in 1993, by then-Gov. Evan Bayh, now a Democratic U.S. senator
from Indiana.
“The apology is a good idea, but it still won’t bring anyone back,”
Cameron said. “I hope that the next time it won’t take so long to admit
to our mistakes.”
While most lynching victims were deemed criminal suspects, others had
merely gotten into a spat with a white man, perhaps for looking at a
white woman. Lynchings refer not only to hangings, but mob executions by
beatings, bullets and fire.
Rice: ‘Better late than never’
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the first black woman to hold
the post, praised the Senate for its apology, saying, “better late than
never.”
“I remember as a kid the stories about lynchings — everybody’s family
had at least one story,” Rice, who grew up in the South, told MSNBC’s
“Hardball with Chris Matthews.”
“My grandfather, who ran away from home at 13 because he’d gotten into
an altercation with a white man over something that happened with his
sister, and he was pretty sure that if he hung around, that’s what was
going to happen,” Rice said in a “Hardball” segment to be aired on
Tuesday.
‘Deepest sympathies’
The nonbinding resolution offers apology to the victims for the Senate’s
failure to act and “expresses the deepest sympathies and most solemn
regrets of the Senate to the descendants of victims of lynching, the
ancestors of whom were deprived of life, human dignity and the
constitutional protections accorded all citizens of the United States.”
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said President Bush talked
about slavery and the travails of American democracy in a meeting Monday
with five African leaders.
The Senate, McClellan said, “has taken a step that they feel they need
to take, given their own past inaction on what were great injustices.”
Acknowledging the mistakes of the past “is an immensely important first
step,” said Emma Coleman Jordan, professor at the Georgetown Law Center
and an expert on the subject. Other steps, she said, could include
establishing a national research center and showing atonement by setting
up trust funds for the descendants of victims.
Congress in the past has apologized to Japanese-Americans and other
persecuted groups, but the issue of reparations has complicated efforts
to apologize to black Americans for slavery. Jordan said a trust fund
for lynching victims descendants would target a far smaller group.
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118787364.951473.74080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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: Docky Wocky wrote:
: > I always thought that killing someone just because you were pissed
was
: > murder.
: >
: > I also always thought murder was against the law.
: >
: > Who, in their right mind, believes that a mob of enraged Democrats
is going
: > to give a rat's ***** whether or not who they are pissed-off about is
going to
: > desist in hanging some poor ***** just because the Senate passes a
law
: > making lynching a crime?
:
: They all became Republicans after the 'Southern Strategy'.
:
: Southern Strategy
: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk/msg/e099ef4d46580f6
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: >
: > Next thing you know, these liberal senate tear-jerkers are going to
start
: > whining about apologizing to the GITMO terrorists, plus giving them
: > pensions.
:
: What about Confederate, Christian fundamentalist and Klan terrorists?
:
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| User: "Clave" |
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15 Jun 2005 12:03:18 AM |
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"øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:ksOre.87084$lQ3.78458@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8206697/
Senate apologizes for inaction on lynchings
Lawmakers express contrition for condoning ‘this terrorism in America’
How many times do you think people will put up with you posting the same thing
over and over, especially when you aren't terribly worth reading otherwise? You
really must have an inflated sense of self-importance.
Not that I care, mind.
PLONK
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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15 Jun 2005 01:20:30 AM |
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As many times as it takes to stop IGNORANT people from posting
MISINFORMATION, like "House passes a law against lynching"
YOU stupid *****.
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
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: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:ksOre.87084$lQ3.78458@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8206697/
: >
: > Senate apologizes for inaction on lynchings
: > Lawmakers express contrition for condoning ‘this terrorism in
America’
:
: How many times do you think people will put up with you posting the
same thing
: over and over, especially when you aren't terribly worth reading
otherwise? You
: really must have an inflated sense of self-importance.
:
: Not that I care, mind.
:
: PLONK
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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14 Jun 2005 10:19:18 PM |
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maff sez:
"They all became Republicans after the 'Southern Strategy'.
and>
What about Confederate, Christian fundamentalist and Klan terrorists?..."
__________________________
Now you're seeing Confederate terrorists behind every tree? Interesting
dissassembly.
Christian fundamentalists would do away with government pensions while the
KKK already gets pensions from the DNC trusts.
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| User: "maff" |
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15 Jun 2005 04:09:54 AM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
maff sez:
"They all became Republicans after the 'Southern Strategy'.
and>
What about Confederate, Christian fundamentalist and Klan terrorists?..."
__________________________
Now you're seeing Confederate terrorists behind every tree? Interesting
dissassembly.
Christian fundamentalists would do away with government pensions while the
KKK already gets pensions from the DNC trusts.
Nah. They all bosted to Republicans and RNC including pensions.
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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15 Jun 2005 12:01:05 AM |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8206697/
Senate apologizes for inaction on lynchings
Lawmakers express contrition for condoning ‘this terrorism in America’
WASHINGTON - The Senate late Monday formally apologized for having
rejected decades of pleas to make lynching a federal crime as scores
victims’ descendants watched from the chamber’s gallery.
On a voice vote and without opposition, the Senate passed a resolution
expressing its regrets to the relatives as well as to the nearly 5,000
Americans who were documented as having been lynched from 1880 to 1960.
These deaths occurred without trials, mostly in the South, often with
the knowledge of local officials who allowed mob lynchings to become
picture-taking, public spectacles.
Some 4,743 people were killed by mob violence between 1882 and 1968,
according to Tuskegee University records. Of those, nearly
three-fourths, 3,446, were African Americans. Lynchings reached a peak
of 230 in 1892, but they were prevalent well into the 1930s. Twenty
lynchings were reported in 1935.
Hundreds of bills rebuffed
During that time, nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in
Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and
1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law.
But the Senate, with Southern conservatives wielding their filibuster
powers, refused to act. With the enactment of civil rights laws in the
1960s and changes in national attitudes, the issue faded away.
Such legislation would have made lynching a federal crime and allowed
the U.S. government to prosecute those responsible, including local law
enforcement officers.
Signatures missing
Dan Duster, a descendant of Ida B. Wells, a former slave who became an
anti-lynching crusader, praised senators who publicly backed the
resolution of apology and scorned those who did not.
No lawmaker opposed the measure, but 20 of the 100 senators had not
signed a statement of support of it shortly before a vote was taken on a
nearly empty Senate floor.
“I think it’s politics. They’re afraid of losing votes from people of
prejudice,” Duster said of those who did not sign the statement of
support.
The resolution was first proposed last year by Sens. Mary Landrieu, a
Louisiana Democrat, and George Allen, a Virginia Republican, after they
read the book, “Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography in America,” a
pictorial history by James Allen.
“The more I learned about this terrorism in America, the more committed
I became to doing something positive and passing this resolution,”
Landrieu said.
“The Senate failed these Americans,” Allen said. “If we truly want to
move forward, we must admit that failure and learn from it.”
Apology extends to descendants
The resolution expresses apologies not only to the victims of lynchings,
but also to their descendants, nearly 200 of whom came to the Capitol to
witness passage of the measure.
Also there was James Cameron, 91, believed to be the only known lynching
survivor. Cameron was arrested in August 1930 in Marion, Ind., and taken
to jail along with two of his friends for the murder of a white man and
suspected rape of a white woman.
A mob broke into the jail and pulled the three out. Cameron’s two
friends were hanged, and a noose was placed around the neck of Cameron,
then a 16-year-old shoeshine boy.
But as the noose was tightened, a voice reportedly shouted out that
Cameron was guilty of no crime. He was returned to his cell and later
convicted of being an accessory to the white man’s death. He was
pardoned in 1993, by then-Gov. Evan Bayh, now a Democratic U.S. senator
from Indiana.
“The apology is a good idea, but it still won’t bring anyone back,”
Cameron said. “I hope that the next time it won’t take so long to admit
to our mistakes.”
While most lynching victims were deemed criminal suspects, others had
merely gotten into a spat with a white man, perhaps for looking at a
white woman. Lynchings refer not only to hangings, but mob executions by
beatings, bullets and fire.
Rice: ‘Better late than never’
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the first black woman to hold
the post, praised the Senate for its apology, saying, “better late than
never.”
“I remember as a kid the stories about lynchings — everybody’s family
had at least one story,” Rice, who grew up in the South, told MSNBC’s
“Hardball with Chris Matthews.”
“My grandfather, who ran away from home at 13 because he’d gotten into
an altercation with a white man over something that happened with his
sister, and he was pretty sure that if he hung around, that’s what was
going to happen,” Rice said in a “Hardball” segment to be aired on
Tuesday.
‘Deepest sympathies’
The nonbinding resolution offers apology to the victims for the Senate’s
failure to act and “expresses the deepest sympathies and most solemn
regrets of the Senate to the descendants of victims of lynching, the
ancestors of whom were deprived of life, human dignity and the
constitutional protections accorded all citizens of the United States.”
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said President Bush talked
about slavery and the travails of American democracy in a meeting Monday
with five African leaders.
The Senate, McClellan said, “has taken a step that they feel they need
to take, given their own past inaction on what were great injustices.”
Acknowledging the mistakes of the past “is an immensely important first
step,” said Emma Coleman Jordan, professor at the Georgetown Law Center
and an expert on the subject. Other steps, she said, could include
establishing a national research center and showing atonement by setting
up trust funds for the descendants of victims.
Congress in the past has apologized to Japanese-Americans and other
persecuted groups, but the issue of reparations has complicated efforts
to apologize to black Americans for slavery. Jordan said a trust fund
for lynching victims descendants would target a far smaller group.
"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:W6Nre.4440$yw4.2624@trnddc09...
: maff sez:
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: "They all became Republicans after the 'Southern Strategy'.
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: What about Confederate, Christian fundamentalist and Klan
terrorists?..."
: __________________________
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: Now you're seeing Confederate terrorists behind every tree?
Interesting
: dissassembly.
:
: Christian fundamentalists would do away with government pensions while
the
: KKK already gets pensions from the DNC trusts.
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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15 Jun 2005 12:00:33 AM |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8206697/
Senate apologizes for inaction on lynchings
Lawmakers express contrition for condoning ‘this terrorism in America’
WASHINGTON - The Senate late Monday formally apologized for having
rejected decades of pleas to make lynching a federal crime as scores
victims’ descendants watched from the chamber’s gallery.
On a voice vote and without opposition, the Senate passed a resolution
expressing its regrets to the relatives as well as to the nearly 5,000
Americans who were documented as having been lynched from 1880 to 1960.
These deaths occurred without trials, mostly in the South, often with
the knowledge of local officials who allowed mob lynchings to become
picture-taking, public spectacles.
Some 4,743 people were killed by mob violence between 1882 and 1968,
according to Tuskegee University records. Of those, nearly
three-fourths, 3,446, were African Americans. Lynchings reached a peak
of 230 in 1892, but they were prevalent well into the 1930s. Twenty
lynchings were reported in 1935.
Hundreds of bills rebuffed
During that time, nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in
Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and
1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law.
But the Senate, with Southern conservatives wielding their filibuster
powers, refused to act. With the enactment of civil rights laws in the
1960s and changes in national attitudes, the issue faded away.
Such legislation would have made lynching a federal crime and allowed
the U.S. government to prosecute those responsible, including local law
enforcement officers.
Signatures missing
Dan Duster, a descendant of Ida B. Wells, a former slave who became an
anti-lynching crusader, praised senators who publicly backed the
resolution of apology and scorned those who did not.
No lawmaker opposed the measure, but 20 of the 100 senators had not
signed a statement of support of it shortly before a vote was taken on a
nearly empty Senate floor.
“I think it’s politics. They’re afraid of losing votes from people of
prejudice,” Duster said of those who did not sign the statement of
support.
The resolution was first proposed last year by Sens. Mary Landrieu, a
Louisiana Democrat, and George Allen, a Virginia Republican, after they
read the book, “Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography in America,” a
pictorial history by James Allen.
“The more I learned about this terrorism in America, the more committed
I became to doing something positive and passing this resolution,”
Landrieu said.
“The Senate failed these Americans,” Allen said. “If we truly want to
move forward, we must admit that failure and learn from it.”
Apology extends to descendants
The resolution expresses apologies not only to the victims of lynchings,
but also to their descendants, nearly 200 of whom came to the Capitol to
witness passage of the measure.
Also there was James Cameron, 91, believed to be the only known lynching
survivor. Cameron was arrested in August 1930 in Marion, Ind., and taken
to jail along with two of his friends for the murder of a white man and
suspected rape of a white woman.
A mob broke into the jail and pulled the three out. Cameron’s two
friends were hanged, and a noose was placed around the neck of Cameron,
then a 16-year-old shoeshine boy.
But as the noose was tightened, a voice reportedly shouted out that
Cameron was guilty of no crime. He was returned to his cell and later
convicted of being an accessory to the white man’s death. He was
pardoned in 1993, by then-Gov. Evan Bayh, now a Democratic U.S. senator
from Indiana.
“The apology is a good idea, but it still won’t bring anyone back,”
Cameron said. “I hope that the next time it won’t take so long to admit
to our mistakes.”
While most lynching victims were deemed criminal suspects, others had
merely gotten into a spat with a white man, perhaps for looking at a
white woman. Lynchings refer not only to hangings, but mob executions by
beatings, bullets and fire.
Rice: ‘Better late than never’
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the first black woman to hold
the post, praised the Senate for its apology, saying, “better late than
never.”
“I remember as a kid the stories about lynchings — everybody’s family
had at least one story,” Rice, who grew up in the South, told MSNBC’s
“Hardball with Chris Matthews.”
“My grandfather, who ran away from home at 13 because he’d gotten into
an altercation with a white man over something that happened with his
sister, and he was pretty sure that if he hung around, that’s what was
going to happen,” Rice said in a “Hardball” segment to be aired on
Tuesday.
‘Deepest sympathies’
The nonbinding resolution offers apology to the victims for the Senate’s
failure to act and “expresses the deepest sympathies and most solemn
regrets of the Senate to the descendants of victims of lynching, the
ancestors of whom were deprived of life, human dignity and the
constitutional protections accorded all citizens of the United States.”
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said President Bush talked
about slavery and the travails of American democracy in a meeting Monday
with five African leaders.
The Senate, McClellan said, “has taken a step that they feel they need
to take, given their own past inaction on what were great injustices.”
Acknowledging the mistakes of the past “is an immensely important first
step,” said Emma Coleman Jordan, professor at the Georgetown Law Center
and an expert on the subject. Other steps, she said, could include
establishing a national research center and showing atonement by setting
up trust funds for the descendants of victims.
Congress in the past has apologized to Japanese-Americans and other
persecuted groups, but the issue of reparations has complicated efforts
to apologize to black Americans for slavery. Jordan said a trust fund
for lynching victims descendants would target a far smaller group.
"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:5OGre.4860$1q5.4334@trnddc02...
:I always thought that killing someone just because you were pissed was
: murder.
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: I also always thought murder was against the law.
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: Who, in their right mind, believes that a mob of enraged Democrats is
going
: to give a rat's ***** whether or not who they are pissed-off about is
going to
: desist in hanging some poor ***** just because the Senate passes a
law
: making lynching a crime?
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: Next thing you know, these liberal senate tear-jerkers are going to
start
: whining about apologizing to the GITMO terrorists, plus giving them
: pensions.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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14 Jun 2005 04:14:04 AM |
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Pretty cheep not paying reparations.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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14 Jun 2005 09:05:22 PM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Pretty cheep not paying reparations.
The problem comes when yo uhave to adjudicate who gets how much....
Susan
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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14 Jun 2005 10:07:08 PM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:i6-dnZ_TrI1AAjPfRVn-pA@giganews.com...
Pretty cheep not paying reparations.
The problem comes when yo uhave to adjudicate who gets how much....
Susan
Susan I'm shocked! Thinking about the practical issues involved? You do
know this is Usenet, right? Usenet is the place where all dogmas come
true and life is fair.
:-)
The "Big Rock Candy Mountains" Song
One evening as the sun went down
And the jungle fires were burning,
Down the track came a hobo hiking,
And he said, "Boys, I'm not turning
I'm headed for a land that's far away
Besides the crystal fountains
So come with me, we'll go and see
The Big Rock Candy Mountains
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
There's a land that's fair and bright,
Where the handouts grow on bushes
And you sleep out every night.
Where the boxcars all are empty
And the sun shines every day
And the birds and the bees
And the cigarette trees
The lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
All the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth
And the hens lay soft-boiled eggs
The farmers' trees are full of fruit
And the barns are full of hay
Oh I'm bound to go
Where there ain't no snow
Where the rain don't fall
The winds don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
You never change your socks
And the little streams of alcohol
Come trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats
And the railway bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew
And of whiskey too
You can paddle all around it
In a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
The jails are made of tin.
And you can walk right out again,
As soon as you are in.
There ain't no short-handled shovels,
No axes, saws nor picks,
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day,
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
.................
I'll see you all this coming fall
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
-Harry McClintock
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| User: "PagCal" |
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15 Jun 2005 02:38:56 AM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:i6-dnZ_TrI1AAjPfRVn-pA@giganews.com...
Pretty cheep not paying reparations.
The problem comes when yo uhave to adjudicate who gets how much....
Susan
Our court system does it every day.
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