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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"xpu"
Date:	08 Sep 2006 07:04:58 PM
Object:	Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein provided no material support for
al Qaeda and had no relationship with al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu
Musab al Zarqawi, despite claims by administration officials including
President George W. Bush, said a Senate report released on Friday.
The report by the Senate Intelligence Committee, drawing on a
previously undisclosed 2005 CIA assessment, was released as Americans
prepared to mark the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on
the United States by al Qaeda.
"Today's reports show that the administration's repeated allegations
of a past, present and future relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq
were wrong and intended to exploit the deep sense of insecurity among
Americans in the immediate aftermath of the September 11th attacks,"
said Sen. John Rockefeller of West Virginia, the panel's ranking
Democrat.
Another Democrat, Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, used the report to
accuse Bush of making a false statements about ties between Saddam and
Zarqawi, the one-time al Qaeda in Iraq leader killed by U.S. forces.
At an August 21 press conference, Bush told reporters that Saddam had
relations with Zarqawi.
"The CIA's October 2005 assessment that Saddam's regime did not have a
relationship, harbor or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his
associates," Levin said.
"The president's statement, made just two weeks ago, is flat-out
false," Levin said.
Bush administration officials pointed to supposed links between Saddam
and al Qaeda to help justify their case for war before the March 2003
invasion.
The assessment in the CIA report was similar to the conclusion reached
by the bipartisan 9/11 Commission, which found that there had been no
"collaborative relationship" between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.
Top officials also told Americans that Saddam posed a threat to his
neighbors and U.S. interests because he possessed large WMD
stockpiles. But no such weapons were found.
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	08 Sep 2006 07:41:05 PM

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to point
fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The conclusions in the
reports were crafted with more partisan bias than we have witnessed in a
long time in Congress. The "Phase II" investigation has turned the
Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially designed to be the
most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into a political playground
stripped of its bipartisan power, and this fact has not gone unnoticed
in the Intelligence Community. The Committee will only return to proper
and aggressive intelligence oversight once its membership determines to
get back to its primary function for the betterment of our national
security. Although the structure of the Committee provides for effective
bipartisan oversight, the recent agenda of its membership has not fallen
in line with the Committee's primary purpose."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "G-Ride"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	08 Sep 2006 09:05:07 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47...

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.

Yes, that is a good description for the link you provide:

http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

Fred Stone:
I certainly did enjoy the day [Sept. 11, 2001]. Our enemies have chosen to
hide behind women and children, and *they* are responsible for the deaths of
those innocents, not us.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8276bfdc4474e164
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User: "G-Ride"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	08 Sep 2006 09:08:08 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47...

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

Yeah Fred. I'm sure that Senators Bond, Hatch, Lott and Chambliss had the
most genuine and non-partisan reasons for adding those comments to the
Senate report. But don't let facts like that get in your way.
Fred Stone:
I certainly did enjoy the day [Sept. 11, 2001]. Our enemies have chosen to
hide behind women and children, and *they* are responsible for the deaths of
those innocents, not us.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8276bfdc4474e164
.

User: "wcb"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	08 Sep 2006 10:57:28 PM

G-Ride wrote:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47...

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

He's brain dead.
He will not reason.
--
Where did all these braindead morons come from!
What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did
they manage to find their way out on their own?
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	09 Sep 2006 06:17:43 AM

wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
news:12g4eunj42tk825@corp.supernews.com:

G-Ride wrote:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47...

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

He's brain dead.

He will not reason.

I agree, G-Ride is like that.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "Dale"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	08 Sep 2006 11:30:14 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47...

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

Sorry Fred, Colin Powell already pointed that finger, and it pointed in
exactly direction I (and many others) said it would back before US forces
invaded Iraq.

"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war.

Q.E.D.
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	09 Sep 2006 06:21:20 AM

"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in
news:qrrMg.11742$q63.1365@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47...

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

Sorry Fred, Colin Powell already pointed that finger, and it pointed
in exactly direction I (and many others) said it would back before US
forces invaded Iraq.

Powell showed his stripes when he didn't come forward after he knew
exactly who the Plame leaker was.

"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to
single out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war."
Anyone who is not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war.

Q.E.D.

"The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "Fester"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	09 Sep 2006 01:52:46 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47...

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Here's a specific refutation of the committee's steaming product:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/670bsucx.asp
<quote>
ONCE AGAIN headlines from media outlets around the country declare "No
Saddam, al-Qaeda link." This time the news cycle is being fed by the release
of two reports by the Senate Intelligence Committee, both of which purport
to investigate the uses of prewar intelligence. The first of these two
reports, titled "Postwar Findings about Iraq's WMD Programs and Links to
Terrorism and How They Compare with Prewar Assessments," has pleased
Democrats.
Senator Carl Levin says that the report is "a devastating indictment of the
Bush-Cheney administration's unrelenting, misleading, and deceptive
attempts" to connect Saddam's regime to bin Laden's al Qaeda. Senator Jay
Rockefeller agrees with Senator Levin's assessment, saying the report will
confirm that "the Bush administration's case for war in Iraq was
fundamentally misleading."
But beyond the obvious political gamesmanship, there is little merit to this
posturing because there is little serious analysis in the Senate report: Far
from providing the definitive word on Saddam's ties to al Qaeda, the report
is almost worthless.
CONSIDER TWO BRIEF examples, chosen from many:
The committee's staff made little effort to determine whether or not the
testimony of former Iraqi regime officials was truthful. In fact, Saddam
Hussein and several of his top operatives--all of whom have an obvious
incentive to lie--are cited or quoted without caveats of any sort. In
Saddam's debriefing it was suggested that he may cooperate with al Qaeda
because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." According to the report,
"Saddam answered that the United States
was not Iraq's enemy. He claimed that Iraq only opposed U.S. policies. He
specified that if he wanted to cooperate with the enemies of the U.S., he
would have allied with North Korea or China."
Anyone with even a partial recollection of the controversy surrounding Iraq
in the 1990s will recall that Saddam made it a habit of cursing and
threatening the United States. His annual January "Army Day" speeches were
laced with threats and promises of retaliation against American assets. That
is, when Saddam claimed that the United States was "not Iraq's enemy," he
was quite obviously lying. But nowhere in the staff's report is it noted
that Saddam's debriefing was substantially at odds with more than a decade
of his rhetoric.
The testimony of another former senior Iraqi official is more starkly
disturbing. One of Saddam's senior intelligence operatives, Faruq Hijazi,
was questioned about his contacts with bin Laden and al Qaeda. There is a
substantial body of reporting on Hijazi's ties to al Qaeda throughout the
1990s.
Hijazi admitted to meeting bin Laden once in 1995, but claimed that "this
was his sole meeting with bin Ladin or a member of al Qaeda and he is not
aware of any other individual following up on the initial contact."
This is not true. Hijazi's best known contact with bin Laden came in
December 1998, days after the Clinton administration's Operation Desert Fox
concluded. We know the meeting happened because the worldwide media reported
it. The meeting took place on December 21, 1998. And just days later, Osama
bin Laden warned, "The British and the American people loudly declared their
support for their leaders decision to attack Iraq. It is the duty of Muslims
to confront, fight, and kill them."
Reports of the alliance became so prevalent that in February 1998 Richard
Clarke worried in an email to Sandy Berger, President Clinton's National
Security adviser, that if bin Laden were flushed from Afghanistan he would
probably just "boogie to Baghdad." Today, Clarke has made a habit of denying
that Iraq and al Qaeda were at all connected.
There is a voluminous body of evidence surrounding this December 1998
meeting between Hijazi and bin Laden--yet there is not a single mention of
it in the committee's report. THE WEEKLY STANDARD asked the staffers "Why
not?" They replied that there was no evidence of the meeting in the
intelligence or documents they reviewed.
That's hard to believe. Newspapers such as Milan's Corriere Della Sera and
London's Guardian, and the New York Post reported on it. Michael Scheuer,
who was the first head of the bin Laden unit from 1996 to 1999, approvingly
cited several of these accounts (before his own flip-flop on the issue) in
his 2002 book, Through Our Enemies Eyes. Scheuer wrote that Saddam made
Hijazi responsible for "nurturing Iraq's ties to [Islamic] fundamentalist
warriors," including al Qaeda.
All of this obviously contradicts Hijazi's debriefing; none of it is cited
in the committee's report.
THE MEDIA HAS ALSO BEEN QUICK to cite the report's conclusions concerning
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's relationship (or lack thereof) with Saddam's regime.
But once again the committee's staff overlooked much contradictory evidence.
The report concludes, "Postwar information indicates that Saddam Hussein
attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al-Zarqawi
and that the regime did not have a relationship with, harbor, or turn a
blind eye toward Zarqawi."
The staff cites debriefings which support this conclusion, but do not give
any weight at all to testimony which runs counter to it. For example, the
Phase I Senate Intelligence report noted that a top al Qaeda operative named
Abu Zubaydah "indicated that he heard that an important al-Qaida associate,
Abu Mus'ab al-Zarqawi, and others had good relationships with Iraqi
intelligence."
Zubaydah's testimony has since been further corroborated by a known al Qaeda
ideologue, Dr. Muhammad al-Masari. Al-Masari operated the Committee for the
Defense of Legitimate Rights, a Saudi oppositionist group and al Qaeda
front, out of London for more than decade. He told the editor-in-chief of
Al-Quds Al-Arabi that Saddam "established contact with the 'Afghan Arabs' as
early as 2001, believing he would be targeted by the U.S. once the Taliban
was routed." Furthermore, "Saddam funded Al-Qaeda operatives to move into
Iraq with the proviso that they would not undermine his regime."
Al-Masari claimed that Saddam's regime actively aided Zarqawi and his men
prior to the war and fully included them in his plans for a terrorist
insurgency. He said Saddam "saw that Islam would be key to a cohesive
resistance in the event of invasion." Iraqi officers bought "small plots of
land from farmers in Sunni areas" and they buried "arms and money caches for
later use by the resistance." Al-Masari also claimed that "Iraqi army
commanders were ordered to become practicing Muslims and to adopt the
language and spirit of the jihadis."
A cursory examination of Zarqawi's cell in Iraq reveals that many of his top
operatives were once Saddam's military and intelligence officers. It
appears, therefore, al-Masari's testimony should be taken seriously.
Yet, neither Abu Zubaydah's nor Al-Masari's statements are given any weight
by the committee. Nor did they bother to examine who it was, exactly, that
Zarqawi was working with in Iraq. Not that any of this matters, of course.
This reports was never really about investigating the relationship between
Saddam's regime and al Qaeda.
It was about giving certain senators more ammunition against the president.
</quote>
.

User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"
Title: NeoCon Traitor "Festor" Cites Rightwing Mag as "Refutation" to Senate Report	10 Sep 2006 06:35:03 PM

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:52:46 GMT, "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Here's a specific refutation of the committee's steaming product:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/670bsucx.asp

BWAHAHAHAHA
Right, that "liberal "committee report run by a Repubilcan majority.
Sounds like another NeoCon lie to me.
-----
Yang
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User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"
Title: Fred, Can't You Get Your Stories Straight? (GOP, The Party of Treason)	09 Sep 2006 10:27:51 AM

In Fred Stone's world, it's wrong to say that Iraq is not connected to
911, but it's also wrong to say that Iraq is connected to 911.
========================
"What fictitious connections? The only ones drawing fictitious
connections between Iraq and 9/11 are DEMOCRATS. And *YOU* keep
falling for it. "
-Fred Stone 3/30/2006
========================
========================
"It's evidence all right. Not perfect evidence, but it's not to be so
easily dismissed as that. "
-Fred Stone, in response to Fester's
"Yet *more* evidence of Saddm's 9/11 involvement" Title
5/29/2004
========================-
On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to point
fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The conclusions in the
reports were crafted with more partisan bias than we have witnessed in a
long time in Congress. The "Phase II" investigation has turned the
Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially designed to be the
most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into a political playground
stripped of its bipartisan power, and this fact has not gone unnoticed
in the Intelligence Community. The Committee will only return to proper
and aggressive intelligence oversight once its membership determines to
get back to its primary function for the betterment of our national
security. Although the structure of the Committee provides for effective
bipartisan oversight, the recent agenda of its membership has not fallen
in line with the Committee's primary purpose."

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""

-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2666 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	09 Sep 2006 11:51:44 AM

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

For some very odd notion of partisan given that 4 Republicans did that
minority report while 4 Republicans signed on to the main report. Gee,
on one side we have people from both parties, on the other we have
people from one party. Which side to accuse of partisan bias?
--
Matt Silberstein
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	09 Sep 2006 11:06:46 AM

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e6s5g21u83obf0e2t7doptp4oqkcrffa30@4ax.com:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to point
fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The conclusions in
the reports were crafted with more partisan bias than we have
witnessed in a long time in Congress. The "Phase II" investigation has
turned the Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially
designed to be the most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into a
political playground stripped of its bipartisan power, and this fact
has not gone unnoticed in the Intelligence Community. The Committee
will only return to proper and aggressive intelligence oversight once
its membership determines to get back to its primary function for the
betterment of our national security. Although the structure of the
Committee provides for effective bipartisan oversight, the recent
agenda of its membership has not fallen in line with the Committee's
primary purpose."

Three RINOS and the chairman of the committee.
Read the report, Matt, and then *you* tell *me* if the evidence
presented supports the conclusions given.
First critical question: would *you* take Saddam's word for anything?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	09 Sep 2006 01:12:18 PM

On 09 Sep 2006 16:06:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns983984D48DDD0fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e6s5g21u83obf0e2t7doptp4oqkcrffa30@4ax.com:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

Three RINOS and the chairman of the committee.

Four Republicans. You call them RINOS, but that is just name calling.
That you disagree with their views does not make them partisan.

Read the report, Matt, and then *you* tell *me* if the evidence
presented supports the conclusions given.

No, you give an argument for why it is wrong. Claiming that
Republicans are Democrats is not an argument.

First critical question: would *you* take Saddam's word for anything?

No, you have to show that the question is relevant. Did the Senate
committee, in a critical manner, take Saddam's word as truth?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
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http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	09 Sep 2006 01:41:10 PM

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:fs06g21tufc5ma0od0h3k65nt7rn273pf6@4ax.com:

On 09 Sep 2006 16:06:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns983984D48DDD0fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e6s5g21u83obf0e2t7doptp4oqkcrffa30@4ax.com:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Friday.

The report by the Senate Intelligence Committee, drawing on a
previously undisclosed 2005 CIA assessment, was released as
Americans prepared to mark the fifth anniversary of the September

attacks on the United States by al Qaeda.

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

has

turned the Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially
designed to be the most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into a
political playground stripped of its bipartisan power, and this fact
has not gone unnoticed in the Intelligence Community. The Committee
will only return to proper and aggressive intelligence oversight

once

its membership determines to get back to its primary function for

the

betterment of our national security. Although the structure of the
Committee provides for effective bipartisan oversight, the recent
agenda of its membership has not fallen in line with the Committee's
primary purpose."

For some very odd notion of partisan given that 4 Republicans did

that

minority report while 4 Republicans signed on to the main report.

Gee,

on one side we have people from both parties, on the other we have
people from one party. Which side to accuse of partisan bias?

Three RINOS and the chairman of the committee.

Four Republicans. You call them RINOS, but that is just name calling.
That you disagree with their views does not make them partisan.

Read the report, Matt, and then *you* tell *me* if the evidence
presented supports the conclusions given.

No, you give an argument for why it is wrong. Claiming that
Republicans are Democrats is not an argument.

First critical question: would *you* take Saddam's word for anything?

No, you have to show that the question is relevant. Did the Senate
committee, in a critical manner, take Saddam's word as truth?

Yes.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O12524BBD
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "Andres64"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	09 Sep 2006 05:46:55 PM

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to point
fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The conclusions in the
reports were crafted with more partisan bias than we have witnessed in a
long time in Congress. The "Phase II" investigation has turned the
Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially designed to be the
most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into a political playground
stripped of its bipartisan power, and this fact has not gone unnoticed
in the Intelligence Community. The Committee will only return to proper
and aggressive intelligence oversight once its membership determines to
get back to its primary function for the betterment of our national
security. Although the structure of the Committee provides for effective
bipartisan oversight, the recent agenda of its membership has not fallen
in line with the Committee's primary purpose."

....begin Fred mode...
It's all a vast lefy-wing conspiracy!
....end Fred mode...
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	10 Sep 2006 06:57:08 AM

"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1157842015.362335.208050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to point
fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The conclusions in
the reports were crafted with more partisan bias than we have
witnessed in a long time in Congress. The "Phase II" investigation
has turned the Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially
designed to be the most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into a
political playground stripped of its bipartisan power, and this fact
has not gone unnoticed in the Intelligence Community. The Committee
will only return to proper and aggressive intelligence oversight
once its membership determines to get back to its primary function
for the betterment of our national security. Although the structure
of the Committee provides for effective bipartisan oversight, the
recent agenda of its membership has not fallen in line with the
Committee's primary purpose."

...begin Fred mode...

It's all a vast lefy-wing conspiracy!

Begin stupid lefty mode...
....let's pick something stupid to talk about - do three RINOS and seven
Democrats make a partisan hack job or not - because we don't want to
face the fact that the report is a biased partisan piece of ***** hack
job.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Warning: Do not use Ultimate-Anonymity
They are worthless spamers that are running a scam.
.

User: "IAAH"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	10 Sep 2006 09:56:53 AM

On 10 Sep 2006 11:57:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns983A5A80FA4BAfstone69@66.150.105.47>:

"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1157842015.362335.208050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to point
fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The conclusions in
the reports were crafted with more partisan bias than we have
witnessed in a long time in Congress. The "Phase II" investigation
has turned the Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially
designed to be the most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into a
political playground stripped of its bipartisan power, and this fact
has not gone unnoticed in the Intelligence Community. The Committee
will only return to proper and aggressive intelligence oversight
once its membership determines to get back to its primary function
for the betterment of our national security. Although the structure
of the Committee provides for effective bipartisan oversight, the
recent agenda of its membership has not fallen in line with the
Committee's primary purpose."

...begin Fred mode...

It's all a vast lefy-wing conspiracy!

Begin stupid lefty mode...

...let's pick something stupid to talk about - do three RINOS and seven
Democrats make a partisan hack job or not - because we don't want to
face the fact that the report is a biased partisan piece of ***** hack
job.

Begin Fred mode...
....let's attack the authors of the report who didn't come to
conclusions I like because I can't come up with anything to factually
counter what they say.
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	10 Sep 2006 09:04:14 AM

IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:as98g2hsbke582ud2oqdbc2o9rbkvb5tv3@4ax.com:

On 10 Sep 2006 11:57:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns983A5A80FA4BAfstone69@66.150.105.47>:

"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1157842015.362335.208050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47> wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to point
fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The conclusions
in the reports were crafted with more partisan bias than we have
witnessed in a long time in Congress. The "Phase II" investigation
has turned the Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially
designed to be the most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into
a political playground stripped of its bipartisan power, and this
fact has not gone unnoticed in the Intelligence Community. The
Committee will only return to proper and aggressive intelligence
oversight once its membership determines to get back to its
primary function for the betterment of our national security.
Although the structure of the Committee provides for effective
bipartisan oversight, the recent agenda of its membership has not
fallen in line with the Committee's primary purpose."

...begin Fred mode...

It's all a vast lefy-wing conspiracy!

Begin stupid lefty mode...

...let's pick something stupid to talk about - do three RINOS and
seven Democrats make a partisan hack job or not - because we don't
want to face the fact that the report is a biased partisan piece of
***** hack job.

Begin Fred mode...

...let's attack the authors of the report who didn't come to
conclusions I like because I can't come up with anything to factually
counter what they say.

Begin stupid IAAH mode....
Let's attack Fred because he has already managed to discredit the report
and we can't ever admit that he's right about anything.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Warning: Do not use Ultimate-Anonymity
They are worthless spammers that are running a scam.
.

User: "IAAH"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	10 Sep 2006 10:03:53 AM

On 10 Sep 2006 14:04:14 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns983A700E72166fstone69@66.150.105.47>:

IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:as98g2hsbke582ud2oqdbc2o9rbkvb5tv3@4ax.com:

On 10 Sep 2006 11:57:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns983A5A80FA4BAfstone69@66.150.105.47>:

"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1157842015.362335.208050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47> wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to point
fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The conclusions
in the reports were crafted with more partisan bias than we have
witnessed in a long time in Congress. The "Phase II" investigation
has turned the Senate Intelligence Comittee, a committee initially
designed to be the most bipartisan committee in the Sentate, into
a political playground stripped of its bipartisan power, and this
fact has not gone unnoticed in the Intelligence Community. The
Committee will only return to proper and aggressive intelligence
oversight once its membership determines to get back to its
primary function for the betterment of our national security.
Although the structure of the Committee provides for effective
bipartisan oversight, the recent agenda of its membership has not
fallen in line with the Committee's primary purpose."

...begin Fred mode...

It's all a vast lefy-wing conspiracy!

Begin stupid lefty mode...

...let's pick something stupid to talk about - do three RINOS and
seven Democrats make a partisan hack job or not - because we don't
want to face the fact that the report is a biased partisan piece of
***** hack job.

Begin Fred mode...

...let's attack the authors of the report who didn't come to
conclusions I like because I can't come up with anything to factually
counter what they say.

Begin stupid IAAH mode....
Let's attack Fred because he has already managed to discredit the report
and we can't ever admit that he's right about anything.

You keep saying you've done that, and yet every single time you're
asked for evidence it's not forthcoming. You can declare 'victory' all
you want, but it's sadly evident that you can't actually counter it
and you're not honest enough to admit even to yourself that Bush took
you for a ride.
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	10 Sep 2006 09:44:42 AM

IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:t7a8g2laoc0fkjci393175haf68dnpurlg@4ax.com:

On 10 Sep 2006 14:04:14 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns983A700E72166fstone69@66.150.105.47>:

IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:as98g2hsbke582ud2oqdbc2o9rbkvb5tv3@4ax.com:

On 10 Sep 2006 11:57:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns983A5A80FA4BAfstone69@66.150.105.47>:

"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1157842015.362335.208050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9838DC07D35CCfstone69@66.150.105.47> wrote:

xpu <nojunk@est.biz> wrote in
news:8814g2hfcli8p47rbujq7oo268d0t5jep9@4ax.com:

Ooops, partisan hack job noted.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

p 146:
"Simply stated, this second series of reports is designed to
point fingers in Washington and at the Admininstration. The
conclusions in the reports were crafted with more partisan bias
than we have witnessed in a long time in Congress. The "Phase
II" investigation has turned the Senate Intelligence Comittee, a
committee initially designed to be the most bipartisan committee
in the Sentate, into a political playground stripped of its
bipartisan power, and this fact has not gone unnoticed in the
Intelligence Community. The Committee will only return to proper
and aggressive intelligence oversight once its membership
determines to get back to its primary function for the
betterment of our national security. Although the structure of
the Committee provides for effective bipartisan oversight, the
recent agenda of its membership has not fallen in line with the
Committee's primary purpose."

...begin Fred mode...

It's all a vast lefy-wing conspiracy!

Begin stupid lefty mode...

...let's pick something stupid to talk about - do three RINOS and
seven Democrats make a partisan hack job or not - because we don't
want to face the fact that the report is a biased partisan piece of
***** hack job.

Begin Fred mode...

...let's attack the authors of the report who didn't come to
conclusions I like because I can't come up with anything to
factually counter what they say.

Begin stupid IAAH mode....
Let's attack Fred because he has already managed to discredit the
report and we can't ever admit that he's right about anything.

You keep saying you've done that, and yet every single time you're
asked for evidence it's not forthcoming.

Every time I give you evidence you lie and say I didn't. I cited the
report itself and an article that pointed out flaws in the report. You
dismissed both.

You can declare 'victory' all
you want, but it's sadly evident that you can't actually counter it
and you're not honest enough to admit even to yourself that Bush took
you for a ride.

You haven't refuted a single argument that I've ever presented.
You've consistently ignored every bit of evidence, you've lied
about citations that *anybody* can check, and you're just plain stupid
enough to believe the propaganda that you babble on about.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is staggering that anyone could be so self-infatuated as to single
out their own particular policy preferences as "anti-war." Anyone who is
not a sadist or an idiot is anti-war. The only serious issue is how best
to limit, deter or conclude war. But responsibility for confronting this
issue is evaded by those preoccupied with the moral preening of being
"anti-war.""
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Warning: Do not use Ultimate-Anonymity
They are worthless spammers that are running a scam.
.

User: "IAAH"
Title: Re: Senate report: No link between Saddam and al Qaeda	10 Sep 2006 10:51:50 AM

On 10 Sep 2006 14:44:42 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns983A76EA9C595fstone69@66.150.105.47>: