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"J Young" |
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16 Nov 2005 08:28:20 AM |
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Senate votes to ban torture |
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-15-detainees_x.htm
Senate votes to ban torture of terrorism detainees
WASHINGTON - The Senate passed a defense bill Tuesday that would ban torture
of terrorism detainees and grant them limited access to federal courts.
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17 Nov 2005 01:43:55 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1132169073.331789.195860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America
needs every weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better
them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel the
shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists
Because it's evil.
No, the terrorists are evil and until you get that through your fucking
skull, they'll continue winning.
Not that the current administration would let something like *that get in
the way...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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17 Nov 2005 10:54:45 PM |
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists
Because it's evil.
No, the terrorists are evil and until you get that through your fucking
skull, they'll continue winning.
"No, the [Americans] are evil and until you get that through your
fucking skull, they'll continue winning."
"No, the [Jews] are evil and until you get that through your
fucking skull, they'll continue winning."
"No, the [Chinese] are evil and until you get that through your
fucking skull, they'll continue winning."
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Senate votes to ban torture |
17 Nov 2005 07:27:34 PM |
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1132169073.331789.195860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans;
America
needs every weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better
them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral
leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the
shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists
Because it's evil.
No, the terrorists are evil and until you get that through your fucking
skull, they'll continue winning.
Terrorists are evil. Torture is evil.
Our only choice, if we are to be decent, moral people and remain a nation
that people around the world look up to and try to emulate, is to fight evil
with good. If we fight evil with evil, then we become every bit as evil as
the terrorists.
Torture is un-American. The Constitution forbids it. The Geneva Conventions
forbid it. It goes against everything America stands for. Torture endangers
our own troops, increasing the likelihood of them being tortured if
captured. It increases the eillingness of other countries to use torture
("If America uses torture, we can, too.") It decreases the likelihood of
enemies surrendering to us in battle. It makes America look bad in the world
community. It creates more enemies for America. It energizes those enemies
we already have. Information extracted from torture is notoriously
unreliable. And most evil of all: it causes extreme suffering.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Senate votes to ban torture |
17 Nov 2005 03:12:24 PM |
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In <1132256635.918179.185440@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1132169073.331789.195860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans;
America needs every weapon at it's disposal to ward off these
vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral
leader of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg,
its president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who
feel the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists
Because it's evil.
No, the terrorists are evil and until you get that through your fucking
skull, they'll continue winning.
Winning? Oh, you mean like how they utterly destroyed the US, blew up
every city, and killed 300 million of us? Why, that was during World War
III when Bin Laden conquered the planet!
Torture is not an interrogation technique. It never was. Torture is partly
sadomasochism. That is to say, a sexual perversion enjoyed by the
unbalanced (or didn't you notice all the smiling and titillation in the
Abu Ghraib pictures?). Definitely it is a tactic of terror meant to
terrorize and used by--you guessed it--terrorists.
Know how the FBI itself defines the word "terrorism?" They define it as
"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to
intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment
thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."
So I find it interesting you are so intimidated by the violence used by Al
Qaida. So intimidated, you want to change our society and body politic so
that the tactics of terror are acceptable tools for us to use.
Coward.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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18 Nov 2005 12:42:51 AM |
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On 17 Nov 2005 11:43:55 -0800, wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1132169073.331789.195860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America
needs every weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better
them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel the
shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists
Because it's evil.
No, the terrorists are evil and until you get that through your fucking
skull, they'll continue winning.
If your side acts like their side, what difference does it make who
wins?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Senate votes to ban torture |
17 Nov 2005 03:00:42 AM |
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On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
I expressed a hope. There was a time that the US was on record as
being against torture. It strongly condmned those who did it. Its
name is on several treaties outlawing it, a number of them originally
proposed by the US itself. Those treaties did not excuse torture on
the grounds the victim was or (in the present case) might be guilty of
terrible crimes. The defendants at the Nurenburg trials were not
tortured before or after their trials. As far as making sense is
concerned, I am very aware that people who think torture is a great
idea exist. For the sake of the world one can hope that such people
will decrease in number and in influence.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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17 Nov 2005 07:16:58 PM |
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On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs
every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
If we torture people, we become no better than the terrorists themelves. We
become the very evil we claim to oppose. Americans are supposed to be the
good guys.
Torture of anyone, no matter how vile and evil they may be, is unacceptable.
Deafeat them in battle? Yes. Imprison them? Yes. Torture them? NO!
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17 Nov 2005 01:47:57 PM |
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thomas p wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
I expressed a hope. There was a time that the US was on record as
being against torture. It strongly condmned those who did it. Its
name is on several treaties outlawing it, a number of them originally
proposed by the US itself.
Yes, and that was before Muslims did things like blow up embassies and
fly planes into buildings.
Those treaties did not excuse torture on
the grounds the victim was or (in the present case) might be guilty of
terrible crimes.
Still giving the terrorists every benefit of the doubt possible, I see.
The defendants at the Nurenburg trials were not
tortured before or after their trials. ]
Of course they didn't, dullard. The Nazi threat was over.
As far as making sense is
concerned, I am very aware that people who think torture is a great
idea exist. For the sake of the world one can hope that such people
will decrease in number and in influence.
I agree, I hope the terrorists decrease in number and influence as
well.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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17 Nov 2005 07:28:18 PM |
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thomas p wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs
every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than
us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral
leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
I expressed a hope. There was a time that the US was on record as
being against torture. It strongly condmned those who did it. Its
name is on several treaties outlawing it, a number of them originally
proposed by the US itself.
Yes, and that was before Muslims did things like blow up embassies and
fly planes into buildings.
And torture will INCREASE the incidence of Muslims doing this.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:43:50 PM |
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wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
I expressed a hope. There was a time that the US was on record as
being against torture. It strongly condmned those who did it. Its
name is on several treaties outlawing it, a number of them originally
proposed by the US itself.
Yes, and that was before Muslims did things like blow up embassies and
fly planes into buildings.
Which Muslims did this? Were any Iraqis involved in 9/11?
Did Saddam support the Taliban or Al Qaeda?
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:46:24 PM |
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In article <W5cff.1327$3o6.631194@twister.southeast.rr.com>, Colin Day
<cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
I expressed a hope. There was a time that the US was on record as
being against torture. It strongly condmned those who did it. Its
name is on several treaties outlawing it, a number of them originally
proposed by the US itself.
Yes, and that was before Muslims did things like blow up embassies and
fly planes into buildings.
Which Muslims did this? Were any Iraqis involved in 9/11?
Did Saddam support the Taliban or Al Qaeda?
He's an idiot. Those involved in flying airplanes into the World Trade
Center are - uh - dead.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Nov 2005 12:42:52 AM |
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On 17 Nov 2005 11:47:57 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
I expressed a hope. There was a time that the US was on record as
being against torture. It strongly condmned those who did it. Its
name is on several treaties outlawing it, a number of them originally
proposed by the US itself.
Yes, and that was before Muslims did things like blow up embassies and
fly planes into buildings.
They are hardly the first in the world to do horrible things.
Those treaties did not excuse torture on
the grounds the victim was or (in the present case) might be guilty of
terrible crimes.
Still giving the terrorists every benefit of the doubt possible, I see.
Is that what you see? How strange, since I said nothing about that at
all.
The defendants at the Nurenburg trials were not
tortured before or after their trials. ]
Of course they didn't, dullard. The Nazi threat was over.
Nor did the US condone torturing prisoners during the war. Sorry, I
assumed that you knew that. Odd how the US and its allies won the war
anyway.
As far as making sense is
concerned, I am very aware that people who think torture is a great
idea exist. For the sake of the world one can hope that such people
will decrease in number and in influence.
I agree, I hope the terrorists decrease in number and influence as
well.
If both sides act the same, it will make no difference which side
wins.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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17 Nov 2005 01:47:59 PM |
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| I expressed a hope.
You were hoping there was a human brain cell in Stain de STD's
mucus-bubble cranium to appeal to. I gave up that hope many years ago.
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| User: "Kate " |
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17 Nov 2005 12:11:02 PM |
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On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
Uh, stopping the torturing was why we supposedly (after changing the
story a few times) why we attacked Iraq.
Not to mention the absolute pure hipocracy of your statement, are you
now admitting you want the rest of the world to attack us?
How long have you hated America?
And by the way - sense is not something I've observed that you have
any concept of.
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17 Nov 2005 01:49:19 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
Uh, stopping the torturing was why we supposedly (after changing the
story a few times) why we attacked Iraq.
Not to mention the absolute pure hipocracy of your statement, are you
now admitting you want the rest of the world to attack us?
How long have you hated America?
And by the way - sense is not something I've observed that you have
any concept of.
Despite your worst nightmares, torturing terrorists is about as far
away from torturing innocents as you can get. Still, continue praying
to Allah for the Muslim swine.
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17 Nov 2005 10:56:32 PM |
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:
Kate wrote:
How long have you hated America?
And by the way - sense is not something I've observed that you have
any concept of.
Despite your worst nightmares, torturing terrorists is about as far
away from torturing innocents as you can get.
Because one is torturing people an dthe other is torturing people.
Still, continue praying
to Allah for the Muslim swine.
Racist AND murderous.
How long before YOU fly planes into buildings?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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17 Nov 2005 09:45:23 PM |
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wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 11:24:33 -0800, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
It is hard to remember that the US once claimed to be the moral leader
of the world. The crimes it once helped punish at Nurenburg, its
president now insists are necessary. Surely there are some who feel
the shame.
Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
Uh, stopping the torturing was why we supposedly (after changing the
story a few times) why we attacked Iraq.
Not to mention the absolute pure hipocracy of your statement, are you
now admitting you want the rest of the world to attack us?
How long have you hated America?
And by the way - sense is not something I've observed that you have
any concept of.
Despite your worst nightmares, torturing terrorists is about as far
away from torturing innocents as you can get. Still, continue praying
to Allah for the Muslim swine.
I do not pray; I think. What do you hope to gain by torture?
Colin Day aa #1500
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16 Nov 2005 03:11:40 PM |
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omareno el moron aka Stain de STD wrote:
| Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
| Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
Non Rupert Murdoch lingo to complex to hold your attention, Stain ?
This one's for you, then:
"Oink"
"oink oink... oink"
"Oink?"
"Oink!"
Now ***** and torture yourself for a change.
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16 Nov 2005 03:12:42 PM |
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<hc23hc@mac.com> wrote in message
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omareno el moron aka Stain de STD wrote:
| Why would anyone feel shame over torturing terrorists (except the
| Islam-fellaters on the left)? Try making sense next time.
Non Rupert Murdoch lingo to complex to hold your attention, Stain ?
This one's for you, then:
"Oink"
"oink oink... oink"
"Oink?"
"Oink!"
Now ***** and torture yourself for a change.
Are you an adult?
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18 Nov 2005 07:06:09 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, J Young wrote:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America
needs every weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them
than us.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-15-detainees_x.htm
Senate votes to ban torture of terrorism detainees
WASHINGTON - The Senate passed a defense bill Tuesday that would ban
torture of terrorism detainees and grant them limited access to federal
courts.
Yea! Why should a country that promotes itself as the champion of "human
rights" all over the world be held to the standards it promotes?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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16 Nov 2005 08:50:10 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:20 -0500, in alt.atheism
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
<N7adnUTSlJ_t3-benZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com>:
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
Demonize your opponent. That helps you avoid thinking about what they
are doing. Of course, if you don't think about how they operate, you
cannot learn how to stop them.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-15-detainees_x.htm
Senate votes to ban torture of terrorism detainees
WASHINGTON - The Senate passed a defense bill Tuesday that would ban torture
of terrorism detainees and grant them limited access to federal courts.
I realize that it is popular to make any opponent look like they are
nearly invincible, but, really, get a clue. Al Qaeda and its
fellow-travellers is a nasty, brutish crime syndicate, motivated by
peculiar religious beliefs rather than greed. They have been very clear
about their reasons for attack. Torturing any of them accomplishes
nothing but to make us look bad and give them more recruits. Only the
most foolish people think that torture can be useful in such a
situation.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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16 Nov 2005 10:16:56 AM |
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So for those of you keeping track:
INSTITUTION MOVED FROM/TO (century)
Senate 19th -> 20th
Dover, PA 18th -> 21st
Kansas 19th -> 18th
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "LC" |
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16 Nov 2005 09:41:54 AM |
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Rightard kook "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:N7adnUTSlJ_t3-benZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds?
Possibly, but not for the reason you're whining about.
You, on the other hand, are demonstrably insane.
These pond-scum will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America
needs every weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them
than us.
Sheesh!
For a loon that disingenuosly makes endless "decency" trolls, you obviously
haven't a concept of that words meaning.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-15-detainees_x.htm
Senate votes to ban torture of terrorism detainees
Why do you hate everything America stands for, IBen?
LC~ Laughing that a troll that lives a tortured life wants to share his
pain.
"I take my hat off to the Nazis. What we need now is .... a solution. It can
be seen as a final one, if you like..."
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> aka "J Young".
Message-ID: <1129611930.510748.91890@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
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| User: "LC" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:42:31 AM |
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Schizophrenic genocidal loon "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
message news:N7adnUTSlJ_t3-benZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America
needs every weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them
than us.
Don't beat around the bush, "J".
At least your "IBenANaziKook" sock is more direct:
"***** them. They are the fucking enemy. Use whatever means you have at
your disposal to win the war. Before THEY use whatever means that they
have to do it to you. And believe me, if they win (and they could),
they won't have nice little forums like this set up where you can
question such matters!
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out". That's the way America has
always won her wars. And that's why you're speaking English today, and
not German or Japanese!
Now...... Go back to sleep in your world of 'peace and love'
fantasy.... Just stay the fucking hell out of our way while we kick
some *****."
From: <Lappcatt@aol.com> aka "J Young".
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: OT: Torture
Date: 17 Nov 2005 03:46:17 -0800
Message-ID: <1132227977.179633.24300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
LC~ J/IBen's bifurcated mind almost melds on this issue.
"I take my hat off to the Nazis. What we need now is .... a solution. It can
be seen as a final one, if you like..."
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> aka "J Young".
Message-ID: <1129611930.510748.91890@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Senate votes to ban torture |
16 Nov 2005 09:35:06 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> posting the following on Wed, 16 Nov 2005
09:28:20 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze
into the Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you." - Fredrich Wilhelm
Nietzsche
Are you actually suggesting we should act like the very terrorists we
are fighting? We're supposed to be the civilized ones, the ones with
higher standards.
Japanese troops in WWII fully expected to be tortured or executed if
they were captured. When they were instead treated with kindness, it
was a shock. Those prisoners went home and were part of the force
that changed Japan.
As a former soldier, and a former instructor at the US Army's SERE
School (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) I can tell you that
torture is useless. The prisoner will tell you whatever he thinks
will make the pain stop, even if its a lie.
For example, give me five days and I will have you signing an
affidavit that you are the starting right fielder for the Tampa Bay
Devil Rays. You might even believe it.
Torture is useless. Good interrogation uses psychology and carefully
directed questions in conjunction with other intelligence gathering
methods to build a complete picture.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "J Young" |
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16 Nov 2005 10:18:51 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:82kmn1hrhc3ec87cqb9p59q9g2mfn2im7d@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> posting the following on Wed, 16 Nov 2005
09:28:20 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze
into the Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you." - Fredrich Wilhelm
Nietzsche
Are you actually suggesting we should act like the very terrorists we
are fighting? We're supposed to be the civilized ones, the ones with
higher standards.
I do not endorse torture per se`; what I do oppose is the removal of this
option from our arsenal. America is fighting a ruthless enemy and we should
have every weapon at our disposal in order to stave off future attacks.
Japanese troops in WWII fully expected to be tortured or executed if
they were captured. When they were instead treated with kindness, it
was a shock. Those prisoners went home and were part of the force
that changed Japan.
If you believe that story, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I'm looking
to sell.
As a former soldier, and a former instructor at the US Army's SERE
School (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) I can tell you that
torture is useless. The prisoner will tell you whatever he thinks
will make the pain stop, even if its a lie.
For example, give me five days and I will have you signing an
affidavit that you are the starting right fielder for the Tampa Bay
Devil Rays. You might even believe it.
Torture is useless. Good interrogation uses psychology and carefully
directed questions in conjunction with other intelligence gathering
methods to build a complete picture.
--
Which is a nice way of saying "torture".
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Sasha" |
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16 Nov 2005 10:31:34 AM |
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I do not endorse torture per se`; what I do oppose is the removal of this
option from our arsenal.
The fact that you lament it's removal from the US "options" is an
endorsement.
If you believe that story, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I'm looking
to sell.
TELL ME about it! I'm so sick of people using verifiable facts,
eyewitness accounts and testimonials to base statements on. I mean,
where has responsible scholarship gotten us? So what if 60 years of
documented history fully support the fact that Japanese POW's were
treated extremely well, and went on to reshape Japan? That doesn't fit
your version of reality. Facts Schmacts.
Which is a nice way of saying "torture".
Jumper cables to the nuts is torture. Shards of glass hammered under
toenails is torture. Beating someone with a phone book until their eyes
are too swollen to open is torture. "Carefully directed questions in
conjunction with other intelligence gathering methods to build a
complete picture." is called sound, researched, responsible
interrogation.
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Senate votes to ban torture |
16 Nov 2005 10:38:13 AM |
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"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132158694.930897.290110@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I do not endorse torture per se`; what I do oppose is the removal of this
option from our arsenal.
The fact that you lament it's removal from the US "options" is an
endorsement.
If you believe that story, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I'm looking
to sell.
TELL ME about it! I'm so sick of people using verifiable facts,
eyewitness accounts and testimonials to base statements on. I mean,
where has responsible scholarship gotten us? So what if 60 years of
documented history fully support the fact that Japanese POW's were
treated extremely well, and went on to reshape Japan? That doesn't fit
your version of reality. Facts Schmacts.
Which is a nice way of saying "torture".
Jumper cables to the nuts is torture. Shards of glass hammered under
toenails is torture. Beating someone with a phone book until their eyes
are too swollen to open is torture. "Carefully directed questions in
conjunction with other intelligence gathering methods to build a
complete picture." is called sound, researched, responsible
interrogation.
Exactly what is the definition of torture
related to in this legislation?
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: Senate votes to ban torture |
16 Nov 2005 02:28:29 PM |
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J Young wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:82kmn1hrhc3ec87cqb9p59q9g2mfn2im7d@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> posting the following on Wed, 16 Nov 2005
09:28:20 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Has the U.S. Senate completely lost their collective minds? These
pond-scum
will stoop to any level to kill and maim Americans; America needs every
weapon at it's disposal to ward off these vermin. Better them than us.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze
into the Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you." - Fredrich Wilhelm
Nietzsche
Are you actually suggesting we should act like the very terrorists we
are fighting? We're supposed to be the civilized ones, the ones with
higher standards.
I do not endorse torture per se`; what I do oppose is the removal of this
option from our arsenal.
America is fighting a ruthless enemy and we should
have every weapon at our disposal in order to stave off future attacks.
Get it through your tiny yet incredibly thick skull: American torture
is
not a weapon in *our* arsenal, it's a weapon in *their* arsenal. Every
time
there's a case of Americans torturing prisoners, or even
*rumors* of Americans torturing prisoners, terrorist recruitment
skyrockets.
You can make a case for moral superiority by claiming "they torture
people
and we don't", but it's much harder to make the case by saying "they
torture
lots of poeple and we torture less", or "we don't torture people, but
we send
the to other countries that have more balls and have them torture them
for
us".
Japanese troops in WWII fully expected to be tortured or executed if
they were captured. When they were instead treated with kindness, it
was a shock. Those prisoners went home and were part of the force
that changed Japan.
If you believe that story, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I'm looking
to sell.
OK, what's your explanation for how the Japanese went from being
cruel, homocidal maniacs during the war to some of our strongest allies
after the war? Maybe they would have been even better if we had
tortured more of them, huh?
-jc
As a former soldier, and a former instructor at the US Army's SERE
School (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) I can tell you that
torture is useless. The prisoner will tell you whatever he thinks
will make the pain stop, even if its a lie.
For example, give me five days and I will have you signing an
affidavit that you are the starting right fielder for the Tampa Bay
Devil Rays. You might even believe it.
Torture is useless. Good interrogation uses psychology and carefully
directed questions in conjunction with other intelligence gathering
methods to build a complete picture.
--
Which is a nice way of saying "torture".
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Senate votes to ban torture |
16 Nov 2005 06:13:26 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> posting the following on Wed, 16 Nov 2005
11:18:51 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:82kmn1hrhc3ec87cqb9p59q9g2mfn2im7d@4ax.com...
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze
into the Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you." - Fredrich Wilhelm
Nietzsche
Are you actually suggesting we should act like the very terrorists we
are fighting? We're supposed to be the civilized ones, the ones with
higher standards.
I do not endorse torture per se`; what I do oppose is the removal of this
option from our arsenal. America is fighting a ruthless enemy and we should
have every weapon at our disposal in order to stave off future attacks.
Even ones that don't work?
Japanese troops in WWII fully expected to be tortured or executed if
they were captured. When they were instead treated with kindness, it
was a shock. Those prisoners went home and were part of the force
that changed Japan.
If you believe that story, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I'm looking
to sell.
So, the memoirs of Japanese POWs are not to be believed?
As a former soldier, and a former instructor at the US Army's SERE
School (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) I can tell you that
torture is useless. The prisoner will tell you whatever he thinks
will make the pain stop, even if its a lie.
For example, give me five days and I will have you signing an
affidavit that you are the starting right fielder for the Tampa Bay
Devil Rays. You might even believe it.
Torture is useless. Good interrogation uses psychology and carefully
directed questions in conjunction with other intelligence gathering
methods to build a complete picture.
Which is a nice way of saying "torture".
No, you idiot. Good interrogation involveds careful questioning,
knowing how to read subtle signs, and carefully sifting through
everything said and gleaning every bit of information from the
prisoner.
You don't have to torture him, just be very good at your job.
During the SERE course, pilots are subjected to intense questioning.
Invariably, they spilled at least one secret without even knowing they
had done it. The key is to get them talking.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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