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"Niels" |
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04 Mar 2007 01:05:25 PM |
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Senator calls for answer on creation of universe |
Hi all,
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, I just caught it on Digg:
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_5380655,00.html
"Sen. Raymond Finney proposes to use the legislative process to get an
answer to the question of whether the universe was created by a "Supreme
Being."
Under Senate Resolution 17, introduced by the Maryville Republican, the
answer would come from state Education Commissioner Lana Seivers "in report
form" no later than Jan. 15, 2008."
//Niels
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Senator calls for answer on creation of universe |
04 Mar 2007 04:11:58 PM |
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http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_5380655,00.html
"Sen. Raymond Finney proposes to use the legislative process to get an
answer to the question of whether the universe was created by a "Supreme
Being."
Under Senate Resolution 17, introduced by the Maryville Republican, the
answer would come from state Education Commissioner Lana Seivers "in
report
form" no later than Jan. 15, 2008."
Legislators should not weigh in on scientific matters, for a
variety of reasons.
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| User: "Niels" |
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| Title: Re: Senator calls for answer on creation of universe |
04 Mar 2007 04:26:37 PM |
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On Sunday 04 March 2007 23:11, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_5380655,00.html
"Sen. Raymond Finney proposes to use the legislative process to get an
answer to the question of whether the universe was created by a "Supreme
Being."
Under Senate Resolution 17, introduced by the Maryville Republican, the
answer would come from state Education Commissioner Lana Seivers "in
report
form" no later than Jan. 15, 2008."
Legislators should not weigh in on scientific matters, for a
variety of reasons.
People who don't know basic science shouldn't be legislators. Feeble-minded
people shouldn't be legislators. The press should expose these morons. I
really should go to bed now. None of these things are likely to happen in
the forseeable future.
//Niels
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Senator calls for answer on creation of universe |
04 Mar 2007 01:44:32 PM |
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Niels wrote:
Hi all,
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, I just caught it on Digg:
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_5380655,00.html
"Sen. Raymond Finney proposes to use the legislative process to get an
answer to the question of whether the universe was created by a "Supreme
Being."
Under Senate Resolution 17, introduced by the Maryville Republican, the
answer would come from state Education Commissioner Lana Seivers "in report
form" no later than Jan. 15, 2008."
//Niels
A better subject line would have been, "When morons grandstand". This
guy obviously thinks he is just the smartest little toad to jump out of
the pond. I've copied the entire body of the resolution below for those
with strong stomachs. I love how the existence of a supreme being is
scientific, but its name is a matter of faith.
*****
http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/bills/currentga/BILL/SR0017.pdf (For
some reason, taking the text from the PDF resulted in every "s" and "v"
being dropped; I put them back but may have missed some.)
SENATE RESOLUTION 17
By Finney R.
A RESOLUTION to request the commissioner of education to provide answer
to question concerning creationism and public school curriculum in
Tennessee.
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE SENATE OF THE ONE HUNDRED FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, that the commissioner of the department of
education, in consultation with any other person whether within or
without state government, is hereby respectfully requested by this body
to respond to the following questions:
(1) Is the Universe and all that is within it, including human beings,
created through purposeful,intelligent design by a Supreme Being, that
is a Creator. Understand that this question does not ask that the
Creator be given a name. To name the Creatoris a matter of faith. The
question imply ask whether the Universe has been created or has merely
happened by random, unplanned, and purposeless occurrences.
Further understand that this question asks that the latest advance in
multiple scientific discipline ¡V such a s physic , astronomy,
molecular biology, DNA studies, physiology, paleontology, mathematic ,
and statistic ¡V be considered, rather than relying solely on
descriptive and hypothetical supposition . If the answer to Question 1
is "Yes," please answer Question 2:
(2) Since the Universe, including human beings, is created by a Supreme
Being (a Creator), why is creationism not taught in Tennessee public
schools
If the answer to Question 1 is "This question cannot be proved or
disproved," please answer Question 3:
(3) Since it cannot be determined whether the Universe, including human
beings, is created by a Supreme Being (a Creator), why is creationism
not taught as an alternative concept, explanation, or theory, along with
the theory of evolution in Tennessee public schools
If the answer to Question 1 is "No" please accept the General Assembly¡¦
admiration for being able to decide conclusively a question that has
long perplexed and occupied the attention of scientists, philosophers,
theologians, educators, and others.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the commissioner of education is requested
to deliver her response to this request in report form to the Speaker
of the Senate before January 15, 2008.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that an appropriate copy of this resolution be
prepared and sent to the commissioner of education.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Senator calls for answer on creation of universe |
04 Mar 2007 02:30:02 PM |
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In article <1rh9ghvsvvfs9$.bnhfat24oa82$.dlg@40tude.net>,
badaddress@mylinuxisp.com says...
Niels wrote:
A better subject line would have been, "When morons grandstand".
Agreed. Perhaps the subtitle should read, "A Case Study in Dissipation
of Taxpayer Finances" or "Lively Tunes to Fiddle as Rome Burns".
(1) Is the Universe and all that is within it, including human beings,
created through purposeful,intelligent design by a Supreme Being, that
is a Creator. Understand that this question does not ask that the
Creator be given a name.
He still presumes monotheism, since his only other option is that things
happened by accident. In any event, the term Supreme Being is a "name".
Even many allegedly revealed religions don't claim to know the true name
of God. YHWH, Jehovah and all those others were just convenience titles
made up by humans.
To name the Creatoris a matter of faith.
And he already has named this entity "the Creator" as well as "Supreme
Being".
The
question imply ask whether the Universe has been created or has merely
happened by random, unplanned, and purposeless occurrences.
How could it be purposeless, if it resulted in the universe and life.
The fact that an event was random doesn't mean it has no consequences.
Random accidents result in people dying or winning the lottery every day.
That doesn't mean that the result of these events are "meaningless".
If the answer to Question 1 is "This question cannot be proved or
disproved," please answer Question 3:
(3) Since it cannot be determined whether the Universe, including human
beings, is created by a Supreme Being (a Creator), why is creationism
not taught as an alternative concept, explanation, or theory, along with
the theory of evolution in Tennessee public schools
Sicne some people believe that Elvis is still alive and faked his death,
why isn't this "alternative" taught in high school history?
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Senator calls for answer on creation of universe |
05 Mar 2007 01:22:36 PM |
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quibbler wrote:
badaddress@mylinuxisp.com wrote
The
question simply asks whether the Universe has been created or has merely
happened by random, unplanned, and purposeless occurrences.
How could it be purposeless, if it resulted in the universe and life.
The fact that an event was random doesn't mean it has no consequences.
Random accidents result in people dying or winning the lottery every day.
That doesn't mean that the result of these events are "meaningless".
And saying it's random is false, too. As I recall, current theories
postulate that matter can spontaneously come into being from energy, but
regardless of where it comes from, matter has certain properties, which
makes certain reactions inevitable. Once there was enough matter to
form a single star, wasn't the creation of heavier elements in its core
a foregone conclusion, as well as the dispersal of those elements via
supernova? So the creation of the world as we know it is less a totally
random occurrence than it is the result of a cascading series of
predictable changes in the universe, mixed in with certain chance
happenings.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Senator calls for answer on creation of universe |
04 Mar 2007 11:09:20 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:44:32 -0600, L. Raymond wrote:
Niels wrote:
Hi all,
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, I just caught it on Digg:
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_5380655,00.html
"Sen. Raymond Finney proposes to use the legislative process to get an
answer to the question of whether the universe was created by a "Supreme
Being."
Under Senate Resolution 17, introduced by the Maryville Republican, the
answer would come from state Education Commissioner Lana Seivers "in
report form" no later than Jan. 15, 2008."
//Niels
A better subject line would have been, "When morons grandstand". This guy
obviously thinks he is just the smartest little toad to jump out of the
pond. I've copied the entire body of the resolution below for those with
strong stomachs. I love how the existence of a supreme being is
scientific, but its name is a matter of faith.
*****
http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/bills/currentga/BILL/SR0017.pdf (For
some reason, taking the text from the PDF resulted in every "s" and "v"
being dropped; I put them back but may have missed some.)
SENATE RESOLUTION 17
By Finney R.
A RESOLUTION to request the commissioner of education to provide answer to
question concerning creationism and public school curriculum in
Tennessee.
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE SENATE OF THE ONE HUNDRED FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, that the commissioner of the department of
education, in consultation with any other person whether within or without
state government, is hereby respectfully requested by this body to respond
to the following questions:
(1) Is the Universe and all that is within it, including human beings,
created through purposeful,intelligent design by a Supreme Being, that is
a Creator. Understand that this question does not ask that the Creator be
given a name. To name the Creatoris a matter of faith. The question
imply ask whether the Universe has been created or has merely happened by
random, unplanned, and purposeless occurrences.
Further understand that this question asks that the latest advance in
multiple scientific discipline - such a s physic , astronomy,
molecular biology, DNA studies, physiology, paleontology, mathematic ,
and statistic - be considered, rather than relying solely on
descriptive and hypothetical supposition . If the answer to Question 1 is
"Yes," please answer Question 2:
(2) Since the Universe, including human beings, is created by a Supreme
Being (a Creator), why is creationism not taught in Tennessee public
schools
If the answer to Question 1 is "This question cannot be proved or
disproved," please answer Question 3:
(3) Since it cannot be determined whether the Universe, including human
beings, is created by a Supreme Being (a Creator), why is creationism not
taught as an alternative concept, explanation, or theory, along with the
theory of evolution in Tennessee public schools
....because the commissioner of education has more respect for the students
of the state of Tennessee than to teach them mythology in place of
science, thereby making the state as much of a disgrace and laughing stock
as Kansas and Ohio.
If the answer to Question 1 is "No" please accept the General
Assembly' admiration for being able to decide conclusively a question
that has long perplexed and occupied the attention of scientists,
philosophers, theologians, educators, and others.
To be admired by the likes of you is revolting.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the commissioner of education is requested
to
deliver her response to this request in report form to the Speaker of
the
Senate before January 15, 2008.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that an appropriate copy of this resolution be
prepared and sent to the commissioner of education.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "jem" |
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| Title: Re: Senator calls for answer on creation of universe |
04 Mar 2007 05:13:52 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:05:25 +0100, Niels <name@example.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, I just caught it on Digg:
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_5380655,00.html
"Sen. Raymond Finney proposes to use the legislative process to get an
answer to the question of whether the universe was created by a "Supreme
Being."
Under Senate Resolution 17, introduced by the Maryville Republican, the
answer would come from state Education Commissioner Lana Seivers "in report
form" no later than Jan. 15, 2008."
//Niels
The bar is set way too low to become a legislator, this is just
pathetic enough to have a chance to get him what he wants. Who is
really going to supply the answers? What does the education
commissioner already believe?
These idiots are doing their best to bring on the American dark ages.
Pisses me off.
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