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09 Jan 2007 10:03:23 PM |
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Senator Johnson Upgraded to Fair Condition |
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
Sen. Johnson upgraded to fair condition
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 9, 5:10 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Sen. Tim Johnson (news, bio, voting record)'s condition has
been upgraded from critical to fair, four weeks after he was hospitalized
for a brain hemorrhage, and he no longer needs a ventilator to help him
breathe.
Johnson is breathing independently after using a ventilator for several
weeks, most recently only at night, his doctor, Vivek Deshmukh, said
Tuesday.
The South Dakota Democrat, who underwent emergency surgery on Dec. 13,
remains in intensive care at George Washington University Hospital, said his
spokeswoman, Julianne Fisher.
"The senator continues to make progress," Fisher said. "The next step would
be rehabilitation, and we hope that would happen within the week."
A tracheotomy tube remains in his neck to guard his airway, and the senator
still has not spoken, Fisher said.
The senator is expected to leave intensive care but remain in the hospital
when he begins the rehabilitation process. His office has said that his
recovery is expected to take several months.
Johnson was diagnosed with the arteriovenous malformation, a condition,
often present from birth, that causes arteries and veins to grow abnormally
large, become tangled and sometimes burst. He was rushed to the hospital
after becoming disoriented on a phone call with reporters, and he underwent
surgery hours later.
His long-term prognosis is unclear. Doctors have said he is steadily
improving and has been responsive to his family and physicians, following
commands, squeezing his wife's hand and understanding speech. He needed the
ventilator to assist with his breathing after fluid developed in his lungs
as a consequence of his initial hemorrhage, his doctors said.
In cases like Johnson's, doctors often depend on the patient's ability to
answer questions to assess any cognitive damage caused by the hemorrhage.
The senator's sudden illness raised questions about the Democrats' one-vote
majority in the upcoming Senate session. South Dakota's Republican governor,
Mike Rounds, would appoint a replacement if Johnson's seat were vacated by
his death or resignation.
A Republican appointee would create a 50-50 tie and could effectively allow
the GOP to retain Senate control because of Vice President ***** Cheney's
tie-breaking vote.
Johnson's wife, Barbara, called his change in condition "wonderful news."
"Tim has come a long way and we have a long way yet to go, but we celebrate
each victory," Barbara Johnson said. "For me, it is like watching a miracle
unfold each day."
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09 Jan 2007 11:35:57 PM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:LaCdnVf-p9UZ-DnYnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@comcast.com...
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
Sen. Johnson upgraded to fair condition
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 9, 5:10 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Sen. Tim Johnson (news, bio, voting record)'s condition has
been upgraded from critical to fair, four weeks after he was hospitalized
for a brain hemorrhage, and he no longer needs a ventilator to help him
breathe.
Johnson is breathing independently after using a ventilator for several
weeks, most recently only at night, his doctor, Vivek Deshmukh, said
Tuesday.
The South Dakota Democrat, who underwent emergency surgery on Dec. 13,
remains in intensive care at George Washington University Hospital, said
his spokeswoman, Julianne Fisher.
"The senator continues to make progress," Fisher said. "The next step
would be rehabilitation, and we hope that would happen within the week."
A tracheotomy tube remains in his neck to guard his airway, and the
senator still has not spoken, Fisher said.
The senator is expected to leave intensive care but remain in the hospital
when he begins the rehabilitation process. His office has said that his
recovery is expected to take several months.
Johnson was diagnosed with the arteriovenous malformation, a condition,
often present from birth, that causes arteries and veins to grow
abnormally large, become tangled and sometimes burst. He was rushed to the
hospital after becoming disoriented on a phone call with reporters, and he
underwent surgery hours later.
His long-term prognosis is unclear. Doctors have said he is steadily
improving and has been responsive to his family and physicians, following
commands, squeezing his wife's hand and understanding speech. He needed
the ventilator to assist with his breathing after fluid developed in his
lungs as a consequence of his initial hemorrhage, his doctors said.
In cases like Johnson's, doctors often depend on the patient's ability to
answer questions to assess any cognitive damage caused by the hemorrhage.
The senator's sudden illness raised questions about the Democrats'
one-vote majority in the upcoming Senate session. South Dakota's
Republican governor, Mike Rounds, would appoint a replacement if Johnson's
seat were vacated by his death or resignation.
A Republican appointee would create a 50-50 tie and could effectively
allow the GOP to retain Senate control because of Vice President *****
Cheney's tie-breaking vote.
Johnson's wife, Barbara, called his change in condition "wonderful news."
"Tim has come a long way and we have a long way yet to go, but we
celebrate each victory," Barbara Johnson said. "For me, it is like
watching a miracle unfold each day."
You *bet*, 'Hooray!!!'! Great news, Michelle.
Greywolf
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10 Jan 2007 05:04:16 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:12q8uq5eqfse67e@corp.supernews.com...
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:LaCdnVf-p9UZ-DnYnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@comcast.com...
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
Sen. Johnson upgraded to fair condition
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 9, 5:10 PM ET
Get well soon, Senator.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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10 Jan 2007 10:28:11 PM |
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In article <45a4c830$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Fester
<not@home.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:12q8uq5eqfse67e@corp.supernews.com...
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:LaCdnVf-p9UZ-DnYnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@comcast.com...
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
Sen. Johnson upgraded to fair condition
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 9, 5:10 PM ET
Get well soon, Senator.
:)
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "johac" |
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10 Jan 2007 01:10:56 AM |
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In article <LaCdnVf-p9UZ-DnYnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
Sen. Johnson upgraded to fair condition
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 9, 5:10 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Sen. Tim Johnson (news, bio, voting record)'s condition has
been upgraded from critical to fair, four weeks after he was hospitalized
for a brain hemorrhage, and he no longer needs a ventilator to help him
breathe.
Johnson is breathing independently after using a ventilator for several
weeks, most recently only at night, his doctor, Vivek Deshmukh, said
Tuesday.
The South Dakota Democrat, who underwent emergency surgery on Dec. 13,
remains in intensive care at George Washington University Hospital, said his
spokeswoman, Julianne Fisher.
"The senator continues to make progress," Fisher said. "The next step would
be rehabilitation, and we hope that would happen within the week."
A tracheotomy tube remains in his neck to guard his airway, and the senator
still has not spoken, Fisher said.
The senator is expected to leave intensive care but remain in the hospital
when he begins the rehabilitation process. His office has said that his
recovery is expected to take several months.
Johnson was diagnosed with the arteriovenous malformation, a condition,
often present from birth, that causes arteries and veins to grow abnormally
large, become tangled and sometimes burst. He was rushed to the hospital
after becoming disoriented on a phone call with reporters, and he underwent
surgery hours later.
His long-term prognosis is unclear. Doctors have said he is steadily
improving and has been responsive to his family and physicians, following
commands, squeezing his wife's hand and understanding speech. He needed the
ventilator to assist with his breathing after fluid developed in his lungs
as a consequence of his initial hemorrhage, his doctors said.
In cases like Johnson's, doctors often depend on the patient's ability to
answer questions to assess any cognitive damage caused by the hemorrhage.
The senator's sudden illness raised questions about the Democrats' one-vote
majority in the upcoming Senate session. South Dakota's Republican governor,
Mike Rounds, would appoint a replacement if Johnson's seat were vacated by
his death or resignation.
A Republican appointee would create a 50-50 tie and could effectively allow
the GOP to retain Senate control because of Vice President ***** Cheney's
tie-breaking vote.
Johnson's wife, Barbara, called his change in condition "wonderful news."
"Tim has come a long way and we have a long way yet to go, but we celebrate
each victory," Barbara Johnson said. "For me, it is like watching a miracle
unfold each day."
This is good news indeed. I hope he has a speedy and complete recovery.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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10 Jan 2007 06:13:08 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat. If I read this article right it seems that,
in this case, the _minority_ party get to appoint his successor! Is
this democracy? It seems to positively invite assasinations.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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10 Jan 2007 07:39:59 AM |
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In our last episode, <1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes. The worst construction of the
statutes, from the Democrat's point of view, is that the Governor makes an
appointment which lasts until the next General Election (2008) (whether the
term would expire then or not). In this case, the Governor is a Republican.
He is not bound to appoint a Republican, but almost certainly would. The
reason for this in the case of a Senator is historic. Originally the Senate
was supposed to represent the states and Senator's were not elected, but
were appointed by the legislatures of the various states. A bit of this has
stuck. So although vacancies in the House are filled reasonably quickly by
Special Elections (by-elections), the states have great latitude in
providing for filling an unexpired Senatorial term. At one time, this may
have also made some practical sense, for many of the states are physically
large, and providing for a state-wide election would have posed serious
difficulties in comparison with an election in a single district.
Some South Dakota statutes seem to provide that the Governor's appointment
would be only for up to 90 days, until a by-election could be organized.
If I read this article right it seems that, in this case, the _minority_
party get to appoint his successor! Is this democracy? It seems to
positively invite assasinations.
Of course it depends upon a senator of one party representing a state with a
governor of a different party. This is obiviously not impossible as it is
the situation in this case. But it is not usual. The dean of the Senate,
for example, is Sen. Robert Byrd. While he seems as spry as might be
expected of a man of his years, he is very old. But the governor of his
state is a Democrat, so the balance in the Senate does not depend upon
Senator Byrd.
Majorities so thin in the Senate are a rarity in America, so it seems
unlikely the present problems will result in any movement for reform.
It now appears that Sen. Johnson's life is in no immediate danger. As there
is no procedure for removing a senator for incapacity and there is ample
precedent for senators retaining office even when gravely ill and deprived
of the power of speech, all that Sen. Johnson needs to do is to remain away
from the senate. Democrats will retain their majority by 50-49, for issues
are decided by members present. The key matter is control of the
committees, for with it comes the ability to control the legislative
calendar and the power of subpoena. Far more Republican seats than
Democratic seats are up in 2008, and a few Republicans will certainly notice
which way the wind is blowing. There is simply no such thing as confidence
votes in the Senate, so Democrats need only have sufficient votes to prevent
a new organizing resolution.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
When the time comes to hang the American Historical Society
someone will be there selling commemorative rope.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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10 Jan 2007 09:18:33 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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12 Jan 2007 03:58:22 PM |
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"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
The propensity of all single and numerous assemblies
[is] to yield to the impulse of sudden and violent
passions, and to be seduced by factious leaders into
intemperate and pernicious resolutions. James Madison,
The Federalist Papers #62
The essence of government is power; and power,
lodged as it imust be in human hands, will ever be
liable to abuse. James Madison, speech at Virginia
State Convention, 12/2/1829
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| User: "Carl Wilson" |
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12 Jan 2007 04:12:24 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
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| User: "" |
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14 Jan 2007 11:11:01 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:12:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
And many Republicans believe its the Democrat way.
Both are correct to an extent.
Politics makes some people very, very mean.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Carl Wilson" |
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14 Jan 2007 11:45:27 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:12:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
And many Republicans believe its the Democrat way.
As a former Republican I can say they would be wrong. ;-)
Both are correct to an extent.
Politics makes some people very, very mean.
atheist@home#1554
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
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| User: "atheist@home#1554" |
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16 Jan 2007 04:10:17 PM |
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Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:12:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
And many Republicans believe its the Democrat way.
As a former Republican I can say they would be wrong. ;-)
Both are correct to an extent.
Politics makes some people very, very mean.
atheist@home#1554
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Jan 2007 10:49:38 AM |
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On 16 Jan 2007 14:10:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<rdavis2@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:12:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
And many Republicans believe its the Democrat way.
As a former Republican I can say they would be wrong. ;-)
Both are correct to an extent.
Politics makes some people very, very mean.
atheist@home#1554
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
Yes, in a normal situation which isn't when one party has a full lock on
all branches of gov't.
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
http://teranews.com/
50 meg/day on free account. There's a one time $3 charge to your credit
card.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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19 Jan 2007 08:06:17 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 14:10:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<rdavis2@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:12:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
And many Republicans believe its the Democrat way.
As a former Republican I can say they would be wrong. ;-)
Both are correct to an extent.
Politics makes some people very, very mean.
atheist@home#1554
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
Yes, in a normal situation which isn't when one party has a full lock on
all branches of gov't.
I agree.
That's a very dangerous game.
I also believe its a very good thing for the power to shift from one
party to the other on occasion.
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
http://teranews.com/
50 meg/day on free account. There's a one time $3 charge to your credit
card.
Thanks but I'm doing pretty well on Google temporarily.
I think I'm about to switch to AT&T though.
Comcast is terrible.
The two techs I talked to didn't even know what usenet is.
I know that seems unbelievable but its true.
Very weird conversations I had with them and didn't get the problem
fixed.
atheist@home#1554
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Senator Johnson Upgraded to Fair Condition |
21 Jan 2007 02:19:01 PM |
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On 19 Jan 2007 18:06:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<atheist1554@volcanomail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 14:10:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<rdavis2@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
[]
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
Yes, in a normal situation which isn't when one party has a full lock on
all branches of gov't.
I agree.
That's a very dangerous game.
Where the citizens overall always lose.
I also believe its a very good thing for the power to shift from one
party to the other on occasion.
Yeah, but not a full bore TILT!
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
http://teranews.com/
50 meg/day on free account. There's a one time $3 charge to your credit
card.
Thanks but I'm doing pretty well on Google temporarily.
I think I'm about to switch to AT&T though.
Comcast is terrible.
The two techs I talked to didn't even know what usenet is.
I know that seems unbelievable but its true.
Very weird conversations I had with them and didn't get the problem
fixed.
Doesn't surprise me.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "atheist@home#1554" |
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| Title: Re: Senator Johnson Upgraded to Fair Condition |
21 Jan 2007 07:21:08 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On 19 Jan 2007 18:06:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<atheist1554@volcanomail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 14:10:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<rdavis2@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
[]
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
Yes, in a normal situation which isn't when one party has a full lock on
all branches of gov't.
I agree.
That's a very dangerous game.
Where the citizens overall always lose.
I also believe its a very good thing for the power to shift from one
party to the other on occasion.
Yeah, but not a full bore TILT!
Spooky isn't it?
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
http://teranews.com/
50 meg/day on free account. There's a one time $3 charge to your credit
card.
Thanks but I'm doing pretty well on Google temporarily.
I think I'm about to switch to AT&T though.
Comcast is terrible.
The two techs I talked to didn't even know what usenet is.
I know that seems unbelievable but its true.
Very weird conversations I had with them and didn't get the problem
fixed.
Doesn't surprise me.
It was very, very strange :-)
atheist@home#1554
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Senator Johnson Upgraded to Fair Condition |
24 Jan 2007 12:26:34 PM |
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On 21 Jan 2007 17:21:08 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<atheist1554@volcanomail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 19 Jan 2007 18:06:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<atheist1554@volcanomail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 14:10:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<rdavis2@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
[]
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
Yes, in a normal situation which isn't when one party has a full lock on
all branches of gov't.
I agree.
That's a very dangerous game.
Where the citizens overall always lose.
I also believe its a very good thing for the power to shift from one
party to the other on occasion.
Yeah, but not a full bore TILT!
Spooky isn't it?
More than that I'm sorry to say. Not that it matters now, the damage is
done and is irreversable.
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
http://teranews.com/
50 meg/day on free account. There's a one time $3 charge to your credit
card.
Thanks but I'm doing pretty well on Google temporarily.
I think I'm about to switch to AT&T though.
Comcast is terrible.
The two techs I talked to didn't even know what usenet is.
I know that seems unbelievable but its true.
Very weird conversations I had with them and didn't get the problem
fixed.
Doesn't surprise me.
It was very, very strange :-)
Understood.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Carl Wilson" |
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| Title: Re: Senator Johnson Upgraded to Fair Condition |
17 Jan 2007 10:58:15 AM |
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On 16 Jan 2007 14:10:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<rdavis2@midsouth.rr.com> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:12:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
And many Republicans believe its the Democrat way.
As a former Republican I can say they would be wrong. ;-)
Both are correct to an extent.
Politics makes some people very, very mean.
atheist@home#1554
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
Politics these days is a messy business and both sides are guilty, but
to me it's their actions that speak louder than words.
I used to be a Republican and considered myself a conservative in many
ways. But my conservative values differ greatly from current
"conservative values". For example, I don't believe the government
should drive up fantastically huge spending deficits. I don't believe
the government should unnecessarily intrude on our lives. That means
no secret wiretaps without ever getting a warrant. I believe that
government should stay out of religion. That means no "faith based
initiatives" or attempts to amend the Constitution to ban gay
marriages.
Basically I believe many of the current crop of "conservatives" aren't
conservatives. They've used 911 as an excuse to trample on our
liberties and to otherwise further their own agendas. If the enemy
really does hate us because of our liberties, then we have a strange
way of reacting to them.
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
atheist@home#1554
Your posts seem to be coming through fine so far.
---
aa #1665
aa Veteran #22
"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed,
given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
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| User: "atheist@home#1554" |
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19 Jan 2007 07:59:26 PM |
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Carl Wilson wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 14:10:17 -0800, "atheist@home#1554"
<rdavis2@midsouth.rr.com> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:12:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
And many Republicans believe its the Democrat way.
As a former Republican I can say they would be wrong. ;-)
Both are correct to an extent.
Politics makes some people very, very mean.
atheist@home#1554
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
Politics these days is a messy business and both sides are guilty, but
to me it's their actions that speak louder than words.
I've read about politics in the past and in many different countries
and of course its always been sleezy and dishonest.
Not much has changed really except that now there are more ways for
regular people to express opinions.
And I think the meaness is more in the open now.
But the thing with Republicans literally hating Democrats and Democrats
hating Republicans is troublesome.
God forbid <If you will pardon the expression> our being subjected to a
single party government or a particular ideology in which party members
pretty much agree on everything.
It would be very unhealthy for the citizen.
Communism comes to mind.
I used to be a Republican and considered myself a conservative in many
ways. But my conservative values differ greatly from current
"conservative values". For example, I don't believe the government
should drive up fantastically huge spending deficits. I don't believe
the government should unnecessarily intrude on our lives. That means
no secret wiretaps without ever getting a warrant. I believe that
government should stay out of religion. That means no "faith based
initiatives" or attempts to amend the Constitution to ban gay
marriages.
Many modern conservatives are disappointed in the current crop as are
some liberals with what is happening with their party.
The radicals have gained too great a foothold in both.
The wiretaps without a warrant have unfortunately fallen victim to
party politics and unrealistic liberal ideology.
But where would our government go if those people didn't complain about
it?
And how many wars would we fight if the politicians didn't realize that
certain people would take to the streets in protest even if the war was
just?
It may be unpleasant for some of us to see it but it keeps the
government on it's toes.
The faith based initiatives are also misunderstood by many.
While government involvement in any religious endeavor is problematic
it isn't the boogyman many make it out to be.
It can make sense economically.
But gay marriage.
What a waste of time all the damned arguing is.
Its eventually going to happen, gays are here, always have been and
they are not going away.
They are also not going to go tucking themselves back into the closet.
And they are going to have kids and form their own families if they
choose.
Its dispicable to deny them the right to a legal marriage contract.
The only ones who are trying to make rational arguments are those who
see it from a legal rather than a moral or religious perspective.
I'm pretty tired of all the self rightous trash coming from those who
so loudly demand their rights but are so willing to deny the rights of
others.
Basically I believe many of the current crop of "conservatives" aren't
conservatives. They've used 911 as an excuse to trample on our
liberties and to otherwise further their own agendas. If the enemy
really does hate us because of our liberties, then we have a strange
way of reacting to them.
Could you be more specific?
Which of your rights do you feel have been trampled on?
<Of course I always feel we are under the boot of government>
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
Your posts seem to be coming through fine so far.
Heh.
I might learn to actually like Google.
Considering the alternative of no usenet of course :-)
atheist@home#1554
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aa Veteran #22
"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed,
given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
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16 Jan 2007 06:52:40 PM |
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atheist@home#1554 wrote:
Carl Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:11:01 GMT, wrote the following
in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:12:24 -0600, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
Hey, it's the Republican way! ;-)
And many Republicans believe its the Democrat way.
As a former Republican I can say they would be wrong. ;-)
Both are correct to an extent.
Politics makes some people very, very mean.
atheist@home#1554
True, but lately it's been pretty much one party that's been mean
enough to continue to send kids to their deaths for a cause that they
can't admit was poorly conceived and poorly executed.
Actually I was thinking about all the lies and meanspirited politics
both sides are guilty of.
Republicans insist that Democrats are meanspirited and Democrats insist
that Republicans are.
In fact, very often both sides make the same negative claims about the
other in a number of areas.
I was amazed to discover a while back that I didn't realize that.
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
Get AT&T Yahoo! DSL - especially the combo package: two or more of these
services: DSL, cell, long distance, or satellite TV. I've used it for
over a year and had far fewer problems than I ever did with Time Warner!
It's far cheaper too.
RCL
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19 Jan 2007 07:17:05 PM |
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Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
atheist@home#1554 wrote:
<snip>
I'm trying Google btw so I don't know how my posts are going to work.
I can't read or post to usenet via my server Comcast, can't get anybody
on the phone there and can't get in touch with them online.
They are incredibly worse than Time Warner.
Get AT&T Yahoo! DSL - especially the combo package: two or more of these
services: DSL, cell, long distance, or satellite TV. I've used it for
over a year and had far fewer problems than I ever did with Time Warner!
It's far cheaper too.
Thanks.
I'm about to switch if I can get a human being on the line to do so.
You won't believe this but I swear its true.
The tech help phone number for Time Warner has been disconnected and I
tried the Comcast number.
I couldn't get anyone on the phone so I tried to contact them via the
Internet to no avail.
I finally called the number for new customers wanting to sign up and
got them to switch me to tech support.
It gets really weird here.
The tech didn't know what usenet is.
I am not making this up.
She kept telling me I would have to contact Forte because I use agent
and it was "Their website that has the problem."
Freaky eh?
I couldn't get her to understand the situation or what usenet is.
I asked for a supervisor, she transferred me to another tech and I
swear, he also didn't know what usenet is.
Twlight Zone.
<These are techs in America btw>
He said I would have to contact Forte as well.
I finally used the term newsgroups and he caught on but still seemed
somewhat confused.
Needless to say the problem didn't get fixed.
And the digital phone Time Warner offers is terrible.
I keep getting disconnected or people on the other end can't hear me.
It really sucks when I've been on the phone waiting for 15 minutes for
a customer service rep to get to me and I lose the connection or they
keep saying hello and can't hear me.
I would really be in a jam if I needed 911.
Comcast is a nightmare.
atheist@home#1554
RCL
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14 Jan 2007 11:15:07 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168442312.946365.315870@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
Sounds like our Electoral College.
In Johnson's state, he would be replaced by the Governor
with a Republican (since the Guv is Repug). Johnson is a
Democrat, so some of the mentally decrepit trolls infesting
this newsgroup are wishing poor Johnson all kinds of bad
luck.
What is a "Repug?"
And I haven't seen anybody in a.a. wish Johnson any ill will but I
don't read every thread and its a given the inhuman creatures are out
there.
Thats the worst thing about politics.
Its mean as hell :-(
atheist@home#1554
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10 Jan 2007 05:29:56 PM |
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On 10 Jan 2007 07:18:33 -0800, "Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com>
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
You have a very interesting system compared to ours.
Do you feel yours is more efficient?
I've been fortunate in that I was able to watch Parliment in action on
cable tv and am fascinated by the operation as well as the traditional
opening.
Your folks have to think on their feet and sessions are very lively.
And your Prime Minister can be directly addressed by the members and
nobody seems to cut him much slack.
It's a beautiful thing to watch.
The Senate in America can bore one to tears.
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On 10 Jan 2007 07:18:33 -0800, "Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
You have a very interesting system compared to ours.
Do you feel yours is more efficient?
I've been fortunate in that I was able to watch Parliment in action on
cable tv and am fascinated by the operation as well as the traditional
opening.
Your folks have to think on their feet and sessions are very lively.
And your Prime Minister can be directly addressed by the members and
nobody seems to cut him much slack.
It's a beautiful thing to watch.
The Senate in America can bore one to tears.
I don't know that the UK system is more efficient. As I said before, on
the face of it democracy is a very simple idea, but however you
structure representation there is scope for unfairness. We certainly
don't believe in cutting politicians any slack over here, and not just
in Parliament. BBC interviewers like John Humphrey and Jeremy Paxman
will go at senior ministers harder than Keith Olberman does at Bush,
but do it to their faces in a live interview. This is all great
spectacle but it does mean that worthy politicians who don't have the
charisma and aggression for gladiatorial combat are left by the
wayside. Blair is brilliant in the ring, but in other respects the man
is a menace.
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14 Jan 2007 11:07:52 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2007 00:22:20 -0800, "Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com>
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athe...@home.com wrote:
On 10 Jan 2007 07:18:33 -0800, "Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes.
Many thanks to both for comprehensive answers. True democracy isn't as
simple as it ought to be. The UK system is certainly far from perfect -
there have been cases when a government is elected having fielded less
votes than the opposition, simply because of the distribution across
constituencies.
You have a very interesting system compared to ours.
Do you feel yours is more efficient?
I've been fortunate in that I was able to watch Parliment in action on
cable tv and am fascinated by the operation as well as the traditional
opening.
Your folks have to think on their feet and sessions are very lively.
And your Prime Minister can be directly addressed by the members and
nobody seems to cut him much slack.
It's a beautiful thing to watch.
The Senate in America can bore one to tears.
I don't know that the UK system is more efficient. As I said before, on
the face of it democracy is a very simple idea, but however you
structure representation there is scope for unfairness. We certainly
don't believe in cutting politicians any slack over here, and not just
in Parliament. BBC interviewers like John Humphrey and Jeremy Paxman
will go at senior ministers harder than Keith Olberman does at Bush,
but do it to their faces in a live interview. This is all great
spectacle but it does mean that worthy politicians who don't have the
charisma and aggression for gladiatorial combat are left by the
wayside. Blair is brilliant in the ring, but in other respects the man
is a menace.
We get the same here as far as charisma and aggression.
We have some mostly quiet and dignified members of Congress whom the
nation on the whole never hear from publicly.
We have others who literally push one another aside to get to a
microphone first or jump in front of a camera.
Politicians are a strange breed no matter where they are from :-)
atheist@home#1554
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10 Jan 2007 05:12:40 PM |
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On 10 Jan 2007 13:39:59 GMT, Lars Eighner <usenet@larseighner.com>
wrote:
In our last episode, <1168431187.929232.220800@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Nosterill broadcast on alt.atheism:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Hooray!!!! Keep on keeping on, Senator Johnson! We need you.
That certainly is good news.
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes. The worst construction of the
statutes, from the Democrat's point of view, is that the Governor makes an
appointment which lasts until the next General Election (2008) (whether the
term would expire then or not). In this case, the Governor is a Republican.
He is not bound to appoint a Republican, but almost certainly would. The
reason for this in the case of a Senator is historic. Originally the Senate
was supposed to represent the states and Senator's were not elected, but
were appointed by the legislatures of the various states. A bit of this has
stuck. So although vacancies in the House are filled reasonably quickly by
Special Elections (by-elections), the states have great latitude in
providing for filling an unexpired Senatorial term. At one time, this may
have also made some practical sense, for many of the states are physically
large, and providing for a state-wide election would have posed serious
difficulties in comparison with an election in a single district.
Can't the Senate refuse to seat an appointee?
I seem to recall they did so in the early part of the twentieth
century because the appointee was know to be corrupt as was the
process which led to the change from states appointing senators and
the citizens voting for them.
Also in the 19th century <My memory fails me on the exact date> a
southern senator beat a northern senator so badly that he could not
perform his duties and the senate refused to seat a replacement.
Some South Dakota statutes seem to provide that the Governor's appointment
would be only for up to 90 days, until a by-election could be organized.
If I read this article right it seems that, in this case, the _minority_
party get to appoint his successor! Is this democracy? It seems to
positively invite assasinations.
Of course it depends upon a senator of one party representing a state with a
governor of a different party. This is obiviously not impossible as it is
the situation in this case. But it is not usual. The dean of the Senate,
for example, is Sen. Robert Byrd. While he seems as spry as might be
expected of a man of his years, he is very old. But the governor of his
state is a Democrat, so the balance in the Senate does not depend upon
Senator Byrd.
Majorities so thin in the Senate are a rarity in America, so it seems
unlikely the present problems will result in any movement for reform.
It now appears that Sen. Johnson's life is in no immediate danger. As there
is no procedure for removing a senator for incapacity and there is ample
precedent for senators retaining office even when gravely ill and deprived
of the power of speech, all that Sen. Johnson needs to do is to remain away
from the senate. Democrats will retain their majority by 50-49, for issues
are decided by members present. The key matter is control of the
committees, for with it comes the ability to control the legislative
calendar and the power of subpoena. Far more Republican seats than
Democratic seats are up in 2008, and a few Republicans will certainly notice
which way the wind is blowing. There is simply no such thing as confidence
votes in the Senate, so Democrats need only have sufficient votes to prevent
a new organizing resolution.
Excellent information.
atheist@home#1554
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10 Jan 2007 05:44:43 PM |
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In our last episode, <l6saq2lgojh1pss85qle4h7k1bsvj89qrg@4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented broadcast on alt.atheism:
Can't the Senate refuse to seat an appointee?
Yes, it can. And it can expell a member. The Senate is the supreme
authority on its own membership. The Senate's regard of its own dignity as
the upper house, however, suggests this is unlikely to be factor in the
present situation. That the Democrats still have a working majority of
50-49 is at least as binding. (The Vice President has a vote only when the
vote of members present is tied.)
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
"We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with
Kuwait." -- Bush's Ambassador April Glaspie, giving Saddam Hussein
the greenlight to invade Kuwait.
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10 Jan 2007 07:11:49 PM |
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On 10 Jan 2007 23:44:43 GMT, Lars Eighner <usenet@larseighner.com>
wrote:
In our last episode, <l6saq2lgojh1pss85qle4h7k1bsvj89qrg@4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented broadcast on alt.atheism:
Can't the Senate refuse to seat an appointee?
Yes, it can. And it can expell a member. The Senate is the supreme
authority on its own membership. The Senate's regard of its own dignity as
the upper house, however, suggests this is unlikely to be factor in the
present situation. That the Democrats still have a working majority of
50-49 is at least as binding. (The Vice President has a vote only when the
vote of members present is tied.)
Thanks.
atheist@home#1554
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24 Jan 2007 01:03:58 PM |
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On Jan 10, 7:39 am, Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
Perhaps you would be good enough to educate this ignorant Brit. In the
UK, if a member of parliament dies or resigns, in term, there is a
bye-election for his seat.
There seem to be conflicting statutes. The worst construction of the
statutes, from the Democrat's point of view, is that the Governor makes an
appointment which lasts until the next General Election (2008) (whether the
term would expire then or not). In this case, the Governor is a Republican.
He is not bound to appoint a Republican, but almost certainly would. The
reason for this in the case of a Senator is historic. Originally the Senate
was supposed to represent the states and Senator's were not elected, but
were appointed by the legislatures of the various states. A bit of this has
stuck. So although vacancies in the House are filled reasonably quickly by
Special Elections (by-elections), the states have great latitude in
providing for filling an unexpired Senatorial term. At one time, this may
have also made some practical sense, for many of the states are physically
large, and providing for a state-wide election would have posed serious
difficulties in comparison with an election in a single district.
Some South Dakota statutes seem to provide that the Governor's appointment
would be only for up to 90 days, until a by-election could be organized.
Some do, but those statutes are older (dating from the 19th century)
and have
been (partially) superceded by those you mentioned previously (dating
to the
1970s), which defer a special election until the next statewide
election, in this
case in 2008.
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