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Date: 01 May 2007 07:08:45 AM
Object: Sep C&S History lessons #1
DECEMBER 1853
[CHRISTIANITY NOT PART OF COMMON LAW IN OHIO]
SUPREME COURT OF OHIO
DECEMBER TERM, 1853
Hiram Bloom v. Cornelius Richards
THURMAN, justice . . . . The English common law, so far as it is
reasonable in itself, suitable to the condition and business of our
people, and consistent with the letter and spirit of our Federal and
State Constitutions and statutes, has been and is followed by our
courts, and may be said to constitute a part of the common law of
Ohio. But wherever it has been found wanting in either of these
requisites, our courts have not hesitated to modify it to suit our
circumstances, or, if necessary, to wholly depart from it. Lessee of
Lindsley v. Coates.(1) 1 Ohio, 243; Ohio Code, 116.
Christianity, then, being a part of the common law of England , there
was some, though insufficient, foundation for the saying of Chief
Justice Best, above quoted.(2) But the Constitution of Ohio having
declared "that all men have a natural and indefeasible right to
worship Almighty God according to the dictates of conscience; that no
human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with
the rights of conscience; that no An-shall be compelled to attend,
erect, or support any place of worship, or to maintain any ministry,
against his consent; and that no preference shall ever be given, by
law, to any religious society or mode of worship, and no religious
test shall be required as a qualification to any office of trust or
profit," it follows that neither Christianity, nor any other system of
religion, is a part of the law of this State. We sometimes hear it
said that all religions are tolerated in Ohio; but the expression is
not strictly accurate.(3) Much less accurate is it to say that one
religion is a part of our law and all others only tolerated. It is not
mere toleration that every individual has here in his belief or
disbelief. He reposes not upon the leniency of the government, or the
liberality of any class or sect of men, but upon his natural,
indefeasible rights of conscience, which, in the language of the
Constitution, are beyond the control or interference of any human
authority. We have no union of church. and state, nor has our
government ever been vested with authority to enforce any religious
observance, simply because it is religious.
Of course, it is no objection, but on the contrary, is a high
recommendation, to a legislative enactment, based upon justice or
public policy, that it is found to coincide with the precepts of a
pure religion; but the fact is nevertheless true, that the power to
make the law rests in the legislative control over things temporal,
and not over things spiritual. Thus the statute upon which the
defendant relies, prohibiting common labor on the Sabbath, could not
stand for a moment as a law of this State, if its sole foundation was
the Christian duty of keeping that day holy, and its sole motive to
enforce the observance of that duty. For no power over things merely
spiritual has ever been delegated to the government; while any
preference of one religion over another, as the statute would give
upon the above hypothesis, is directly prohibited by the Constitution.
"But to allow men to make bargains on the Sabbath is to let them
desecrate that holy day, and it should not be granted that the
legislature would suffer that." This is the language of the modern
English cases, and perhaps it is consistently used in a country where
Christianity is a part of the law, and in which there is an
established church, and an omnipotent Parliament. But the General
Assembly of Ohio is not, as we have shown, a guardian of the sanctity
of any day. If it may protect the first day of the week from
desecration because it is the Christian Sabbath, it may, in like
manner, protect the sixth day because it is the holy day of the
Mahometan, and the seventh day because it is the Sabbath of the Jew
and the Seventh Day Baptist. Nay, more, it may protect the various
festival days which, by some of the churches, are considered scarcely
less sacred than the Sabbath day.
(1) In this decision, the court said: "It has been repeatedly
determined by the courts of this State that they will adopt the
principles of the common law as the rules of decision, so far only as
those principles are adapted to our circumstances, state of society,
and form of government."
(2) In Hiram Bloonz 7~. Cornelius Richards (XC p. 565), Judge
Thurman declared: "I am aware that in Smith v. Sparrow, 12 English
Common Law Reports, 254, Chief Justice Best said `that he should have
considered that if two parties act so indecently as to carry on their
business on a Sunday, if there had been no statute on the subject, neither
could recover.' But this was a mere dictum, the unsoundness of which
is rendered apparent by a multitude of authorities. The Chief Justice
cited no case in its support, and I have been unable to discover a
single one sufficient to uphold it. Very rarely has it been pretended, even
in
argument, that a contract, entered into on a Sunday, is, for that
reason, void at the common law; and those who have so pretended,
placed their chief, if not sole, reliance upon the saying of Lord
Coke, that `the Christian religion is part of the common law;' and upon
what
appears in 2 Coke's Institutes, 220, where, after citing a Saxon law
of King Ethelstan, in these words, `Die autem daminico nemo mercaturam
fnc,ito; id quod si quis egeril, et ipsa merce, et trigintu prcterea
solidis mulctator,' he adds: `Here note by the way, that no
merchandizing should be on the Lord's day.' But, after considering
these very observations, Lord Mansfield, in Drury v. Defontaine, 1
Tauton's Reports, 135, said that "it does not appear that the common
law ever considered those contracts as void which were made on
Sunday.' And, accordingly, he gave a judgment for the price of a horse
sold on that day. That he was right, is apparent from numerous cases,
among which are Comyns U. Boyer, Coke's Reports (Elizabeth), 485; Rex
v. Brotherton, 1 [2]
Strange's Reports, 702; the King v. Whitnash, 7 Barnewall and
Cresswell's Reports, 596; same case, 14 English Common Law Reports,
100; and Bloxsome 11. Williams, 3 Barnewall and Cresswell's Reports,
232; same case, 10 English Common Law Reports, 60. Indeed, so uniform
are the authorities, that Redfield, Justice, in Adams v. Gay, 19
Vermont, 365, said, in effect, that no case could be found holding a
contract to be void at common law because executed on a
Sunday. This remark, if not literally true, is so nearly so that
perhaps the only case that seems opposed to it is Morgan 71. Richards,
decided in one of the inferior courts of Pennsylvania." Bloom u.
Richards, 2 Ohio State, 389. [This particular footnote is found in the
4th edition of American State papers only, p 699]
(3) On this point a Senate Committee report says: "What other nations
call religious toleration, we call religious rights. They are not
exercised by virtue of governmental indulgence, but as rights, of
which government cannot deprive any portion of citizens, however
small. Despotic power may invade those rights, but justice still
confirms them." [U.S. Senate Report on Sunday Mails, Communicated to
the U.S. Senate, January 19, 1829]
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Excerpt from Hiram Bloom v. Cornelius
Richards, Supreme Court of Ohio, December Term, 1853. American State
Papers on Freedom in Religion. 3rd Revised Edition. Published in 1943
for The Religious Liberty Association, Washington, D.C. by the Review
and Herald. First Edition Compiled by William Addison Blakely, of the
Chicago Bar. (1890) under the Title American State Papers Bearing on
Sunday Legislation. pp 296-298)
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.

User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder"

Title: Re: Sep C&S History lessons #1 01 May 2007 09:19:15 AM
On May 1, 7:08 am,
wrote:

DECEMBER 1853

[CHRISTIANITY NOT PART OF COMMON LAW IN OHIO]
SUPREME COURT OF OHIO

DECEMBER TERM, 1853

Hiram Bloom v. Cornelius Richards

THURMAN, justice . . . . The English common law, so far as it is
reasonable in itself, suitable to the condition and business of our
people, and consistent with the letter and spirit of our Federal and
State Constitutions and statutes, has been and is followed by our
courts, and may be said to constitute a part of the common law of
Ohio. But wherever it has been found wanting in either of these
requisites, our courts have not hesitated to modify it to suit our
circumstances, or, if necessary, to wholly depart from it. Lessee of
Lindsley v. Coates.(1) 1 Ohio, 243; Ohio Code, 116.

Christianity, then, being a part of the common law of England , there
was some, though insufficient, foundation for the saying of Chief
Justice Best, above quoted.(2) But the Constitution of Ohio having
declared "that all men have a natural and indefeasible right to
worship Almighty God according to the dictates of conscience; that no
human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with
the rights of conscience; that no An-shall be compelled to attend,
erect, or support any place of worship, or to maintain any ministry,
against his consent; and that no preference shall ever be given, by
law, to any religious society or mode of worship, and no religious
test shall be required as a qualification to any office of trust or
profit," it follows that neither Christianity, nor any other system of
religion, is a part of the law of this State. We sometimes hear it
said that all religions are tolerated in Ohio; but the expression is
not strictly accurate.(3) Much less accurate is it to say that one
religion is a part of our law and all others only tolerated. It is not
mere toleration that every individual has here in his belief or
disbelief. He reposes not upon the leniency of the government, or the
liberality of any class or sect of men, but upon his natural,
indefeasible rights of conscience, which, in the language of the
Constitution, are beyond the control or interference of any human
authority. We have no union of church. and state, nor has our
government ever been vested with authority to enforce any religious
observance, simply because it is religious.

Of course, it is no objection, but on the contrary, is a high
recommendation, to a legislative enactment, based upon justice or
public policy, that it is found to coincide with the precepts of a
pure religion; but the fact is nevertheless true, that the power to
make the law rests in the legislative control over things temporal,
and not over things spiritual. Thus the statute upon which the
defendant relies, prohibiting common labor on the Sabbath, could not
stand for a moment as a law of this State, if its sole foundation was
the Christian duty of keeping that day holy, and its sole motive to
enforce the observance of that duty. For no power over things merely
spiritual has ever been delegated to the government; while any
preference of one religion over another, as the statute would give
upon the above hypothesis, is directly prohibited by the Constitution.
"But to allow men to make bargains on the Sabbath is to let them
desecrate that holy day, and it should not be granted that the
legislature would suffer that." This is the language of the modern
English cases, and perhaps it is consistently used in a country where
Christianity is a part of the law, and in which there is an
established church, and an omnipotent Parliament. But the General
Assembly of Ohio is not, as we have shown, a guardian of the sanctity
of any day. If it may protect the first day of the week from
desecration because it is the Christian Sabbath, it may, in like
manner, protect the sixth day because it is the holy day of the
Mahometan, and the seventh day because it is the Sabbath of the Jew
and the Seventh Day Baptist. Nay, more, it may protect the various
festival days which, by some of the churches, are considered scarcely
less sacred than the Sabbath day.

(1) In this decision, the court said: "It has been repeatedly
determined by the courts of this State that they will adopt the
principles of the common law as the rules of decision, so far only as
those principles are adapted to our circumstances, state of society,
and form of government."

(2) In Hiram Bloonz 7~. Cornelius Richards (XC p. 565), Judge
Thurman declared: "I am aware that in Smith v. Sparrow, 12 English
Common Law Reports, 254, Chief Justice Best said `that he should have
considered that if two parties act so indecently as to carry on their
business on a Sunday, if there had been no statute on the subject, neither
could recover.' But this was a mere dictum, the unsoundness of which
is rendered apparent by a multitude of authorities. The Chief Justice
cited no case in its support, and I have been unable to discover a
single one sufficient to uphold it. Very rarely has it been pretended, even
in
argument, that a contract, entered into on a Sunday, is, for that
reason, void at the common law; and those who have so pretended,
placed their chief, if not sole, reliance upon the saying of Lord
Coke, that `the Christian religion is part of the common law;' and upon
what
appears in 2 Coke's Institutes, 220, where, after citing a Saxon law
of King Ethelstan, in these words, `Die autem daminico nemo mercaturam
fnc,ito; id quod si quis egeril, et ipsa merce, et trigintu prcterea
solidis mulctator,' he adds: `Here note by the way, that no
merchandizing should be on the Lord's day.' But, after considering
these very observations, Lord Mansfield, in Drury v. Defontaine, 1
Tauton's Reports, 135, said that "it does not appear that the common
law ever considered those contracts as void which were made on
Sunday.' And, accordingly, he gave a judgment for the price of a horse
sold on that day. That he was right, is apparent from numerous cases,
among which are Comyns U. Boyer, Coke's Reports (Elizabeth), 485; Rex
v. Brotherton, 1 [2]
Strange's Reports, 702; the King v. Whitnash, 7 Barnewall and
Cresswell's Reports, 596; same case, 14 English Common Law Reports,
100; and Bloxsome 11. Williams, 3 Barnewall and Cresswell's Reports,
232; same case, 10 English Common Law Reports, 60. Indeed, so uniform
are the authorities, that Redfield, Justice, in Adams v. Gay, 19
Vermont, 365, said, in effect, that no case could be found holding a
contract to be void at common law because executed on a
Sunday. This remark, if not literally true, is so nearly so that
perhaps the only case that seems opposed to it is Morgan 71. Richards,
decided in one of the inferior courts of Pennsylvania." Bloom u.
Richards, 2 Ohio State, 389. [This particular footnote is found in the
4th edition of American State papers only, p 699]

(3) On this point a Senate Committee report says: "What other nations
call religious toleration, we call religious rights. They are not
exercised by virtue of governmental indulgence, but as rights, of
which government cannot deprive any portion of citizens, however
small. Despotic power may invade those rights, but justice still
confirms them." [U.S. Senate Report on Sunday Mails, Communicated to
the U.S. Senate, January 19, 1829]
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Excerpt from Hiram Bloom v. Cornelius
Richards, Supreme Court of Ohio, December Term, 1853. American State
Papers on Freedom in Religion. 3rd Revised Edition. Published in 1943
for The Religious Liberty Association, Washington, D.C. by the Review
and Herald. First Edition Compiled by William Addison Blakely, of the
Chicago Bar. (1890) under the Title American State Papers Bearing on
Sunday Legislation. pp 296-298)

Ohio state motto: With God, All Things Are Possible
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
Romans 3:10-11: As it is written, There is none righteous, no not
one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh
after God.
Romans 3:23: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
****************************************************************
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Sep C&S History lessons #1 04 May 2007 05:00:09 AM
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

:|On May 1, 7:08 am,

wrote:
:|> DECEMBER 1853
:|>
:|> [CHRISTIANITY NOT PART OF COMMON LAW IN OHIO]
:|> SUPREME COURT OF OHIO
:|>
:|> DECEMBER TERM, 1853
:|>
:|> Hiram Bloom v. Cornelius Richards
:|>

]snip]

:|
:|
:|Ohio state motto: With God, All Things Are Possible
:|
:|
:|***************************************************************
:|You are invited to check out the following:
:|
:|Romans 3:10-11: As it is written, There is none righteous, no not
:|one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh
:|after God.
:|
:|Romans 3:23: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
:|
:|Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
:|eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
:|
:|****************************************************************
:|
:|Ken Clifton
:|christiansuperhero.com

Christian Idiot is more apt, Internet troll
Now
Your reply has exactly what to do with English Common Law?
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Sep C&S History lessons #1 08 May 2007 04:53:24 AM
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

:|On May 4, 5:00 am,

wrote:
:|> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|>
:|> >:|On May 1, 7:08 am,
wrote:
:|> >:|> DECEMBER 1853
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> [CHRISTIANITY NOT PART OF COMMON LAW IN OHIO]
:|> >:|> SUPREME COURT OF OHIO
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> DECEMBER TERM, 1853
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> Hiram Bloom v. Cornelius Richards
:|> >:|>
:|>
:|> ]snip]
:|>
:|>
:|>
:|> >:|
:|> >:|
:|> >:|Ohio state motto: With God, All Things Are Possible
:|> >:|
:|> >:|
:|> >:|***************************************************************
:|> >:|You are invited to check out the following:
:|> >:|
:|> >:|Romans 3:10-11: As it is written, There is none righteous, no not
:|> >:|one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh
:|> >:|after God.
:|> >:|
:|> >:|Romans 3:23: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
:|> >:|
:|> >:|Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
:|> >:|eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
:|> >:|
:|> >:|****************************************************************
:|> >:|
:|> >:|Ken Clifton
:|> >:|christiansuperhero.com
:|>
:|> Christian Idiot is more apt, Internet troll
:|>
:|> Now
:|>
:|> Your reply has exactly what to do with English Common Law?
:|
:|Duh..it had to do with Ohio, just as your post.
:|

Duh, but nothing to do with Engliah Common Law.
Also I might add. the theocratic passed current state motto did not trump
the court opinion.

:|Ken Clifton
:|christiansuperhero.com

The above is from the same guy who brought you this
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

:|On May 4, 5:31 am,

wrote:
:|> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|>
:|>
:|>
:|> >:|On May 1, 7:13 am,
wrote:
:|> >:|> Religion was become avowedly the attribute of man and not of a corpo
:|> >:|> Message #9272 of 9293
:|> >:|> 1888
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> Bancroft on the Constitution
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> "The Constitution establishes nothing that interferes with equality
:|> >:|> and individuality. It knows nothing of differences by descent, or
:|> >:|> opinions, of favored classes, or legalized religion, or the political
:|> >:|> power of property. It leaves the individual alongside of the
:|> >:|> individual. No nationality of character could take form, except on the
:|> >:|> principle of individuality, so that the mind might be free, and every
:|> >:|> faculty have the unlimited opportunity for its development and culture
:|> >:|> . . . .
:|> >:|> "The rule of individuality was extended as never before . . . .
:|> >:|> Religion was become avowedly the attribute of man and not of a
:|> >:|> corporation. In the earliest states known to history, government and
:|> >:|> religion were one and indivisible. Each state had its special deity,
:|> >:|> and of these protectors one after another might be overthrown in
:|> >:|> battle, never to rise again. The Peloponnesian War grew out of a
:|> >:|> strife about an oracle. Rome, as it adopted into citizenship those
:|> >:|> whom it vanquished, sometimes introduced, and with good logic for that
:|> >:|> day, the worship of their gods. No one thought of vindicating liberty
:|> >:|> of religion for the conscience of the individual till a voice in
:|> >:|> Judea, breaking day for the greatest epoch in the life of humanity by
:|> >:|> establishing for all mankind a pure, spiritual, and universal
:|> >:|> religion, enjoined to render to Caesar only that which is Caesar's.
:|> >:|> The rule was upheld during the infancy of this gospel for all men. No
:|> >:|> sooner was the religion of freedom adopted by the chief of the Roman
:|> >:|> Empire, than it was shorn of its character of universality and
:|> >:|> enthralled by an unholy connection with the unholy state; and so it
:|> >:|> continued till the new nation-the least defiled with the barren
:|> >:|> scoffings of the eighteenth century, the most sincere believer in
:|> >:|> Christianity of any people of that age, the chief heir of the
:|> >:|> Reformation in its purest form-when it came to establish a government
:|> >:|> for the United States, refused to treat faith as a matter to be
:|> >:|> regulated by a corporate body, or having a headship in a monarch or a
:|> >:|> state.
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> "Vindicating the right of individuality even in religion, and in
:|> >:|> religion above all, the new nation dared to set the example of
:|> >:|> accepting in its relations to God the principle first divinely
:|> >:|> ordained in Judea. It left the management of temporal things to the
:|> >:|> temporal power; but the American Constitution, in harmony with the
:|> >:|> people of the several States, withheld from the Federal Government the
:|> >:|> power to invade the home of reason, the citadel of conscience, the
:|> >:|> sanctuary of the soul; and not from indifference, but that the
:|> >:|> infinite spirit of eternal truth might move in its freedom and purity
:|> >:|> and power. "
:|> >:|> (SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Bancroft, George, "History of the United
:|> >:|> States" (1888), Vol. VI, pp. 443, 444. American State Papers on
:|> >:|> Freedom in Religion. 3rd Revised Edition. Published in 1943 for The
:|> >:|> Religious Liberty Association, Washington, D.C. by the Review and
:|> >:|> Herald. First Edition Compiled by William Addison Blakely, of the
:|> >:|> Chicago Bar. (1890) under the Title American State Papers Bearing on
:|> >:|> Sunday Legislation. pp 140-141)
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|
:|> >:|Continental Congress Thanksgiving Proclamation (1779):
:|> >:|"...too few have been sufficiently awakened to a sense of their guilt,
:|> >:|or warmed our Bosoms with gratitude, or taught to amend their lives
:|> >:|and turn from their sins, that so He might turn from His wrath."
:|>
:|> Duh.
:|>
:|> When was the Constitution framed?
:|> When was the Constitution ratified by the states?
:|> When did the US of A, you know, this nation under that Constitution
:|> actually begin operation?
:|>
:|> Your example above is irrelevant since the answers to the above questions are
:|> all AFTER 1779.
:|>
:|> Better luck next time
:|>
:|
:|DUH! Your post was about the Constitution, and this is from the
:|Constitutional Convention. Pay attention next time.
:|
:|Ken Clifton
:|christiansuperhero.com

More accurately
Christian Idiot and internet troll

Duh and double DUH
Had you bothered to have answered the questions I posed to you above, even
if only silently in your own mind, you would have realized your mistake
and not provided further evidence that you are an idiot who doesn't know
what you are talking about.
Answers to the questions
Q. When was the Constitution framed?
A. 1787
Q. When was the Constitution ratified by the states?
A. In the period of late 1787 - 1788
Q. When did the US of A, you know, this nation under that Constitution
actually begin operation?
A. March 1789
Dude anythign that happned in 1779 is totally irrelevant and was not in any
way shape or form part of the Constitutional Convention which took place
thought the summer of 1787
A mind is a powereful thing to waste.
My condescendence on your wasted mind
(grin)
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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