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08 May 2007 07:06:54 AM |
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Sep C&S History Lessons #14 |
MARCH 23, 1801
To Moses Robinson
DEAR SIR Washington Mar. 23. 1801.
I have to acknolege the reciept of your favor of the 3d. inst. and
to thank you for the friendly expressions it contains. I entertain real
hope that the whole body of our fellow citizens (many of whom had been
carried away by the XYZ. business) will shortly be consolidated in the same
sentiments. When they examine the real principles of both parties I think
they will find little to differ about. I know indeed that there are some of
their leaders who have so committed themselves that pride, if no other
passion, will prevent their coalescing. We must be easy with them. The
eastern states will be the last to come over, on account of the dominion of
the clergy, who had got a smell of union between church and state. and
began to indulge reveries which can never be realized in the present state
of science. If indeed they could have prevailed on us to view all advances
in science as dangerous innovations and to look back to the opinions and
practices of our forefathers, instead of looking forward, for improvement,
a promising ground work would have been laid. But I am in hopes their good
sense will dictate to them that since the mountain will not come to them,
they had better go to the mountain: that they will find their interest in
acquiescing in the liberty and science of their country, and that the
Christian religion
when divested of the rags in which they have inveloped it, and brought to
the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a
religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science,
and the freest expansions of the human mind.
I sincerely wish with you we could see our government so assured as
to depend less on the character of the person in whose hands it is trusted.
Bad men will sometimes pet in, and with such an immense patronage, may make
great progress in corrupting the public mind and principles. This is a
subject with which wisdom and patriotism should be occupied. I pray you to
accept assurances of my high respect & esteem. TH:
JEFFERSON
YOUR FAVOR OF THE 3D.: Robinson toTJ, 3 Mar. 1801, congratulated TJ upon
his election to the presidency, expressed the hope that "the time may
arrive when the Safety of our Civil and Religious Rights will not so much
depend on the disposition of the person administering the Executive branch
of Government as at Present it does," and discussed political affairs in
Vermont. Robinson (1742-1813), a leading Republican leader in Vermont, was
a former Vermont chief justice and governor who had served in the U.S.
Senate from 1791 to 1796.
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Letter to Moses Robinson from Jefferson, March 23,
1801. PrC (DLC) pp 324 EXTRACTS
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, 2nd series,
Jefferson's Extracts from the Gospels, "The Philosophy of Jesus" and "The
Life and Morals of Jesus." Dickinson W. Adams, Editor, Princeton University
Press, Princeton, N J, (1983) pp 405-06)
THE DOCUMENTARY HISTORY OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE OF
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
1750-1947 Vol 5
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| Title: Re: Sep C&S History Lessons #14 |
20 May 2007 02:47:34 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|On May 15, 5:19 am, wrote:
:|> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|>
:|>
:|>
:|> >:|On May 8, 7:06 am, wrote:
:|> >:|> MARCH 23, 1801
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> To Moses Robinson
:|> >:|> DEAR SIR Washington Mar. 23. 1801.
:|> >:|> I have to acknolege the reciept of your favor of the 3d. inst. and
:|> >:|> to thank you for the friendly expressions it contains. I entertain real
:|> >:|> hope that the whole body of our fellow citizens (many of whom had been
:|> >:|> carried away by the XYZ. business) will shortly be consolidated in the same
:|> >:|> sentiments. When they examine the real principles of both parties I think
:|> >:|> they will find little to differ about. I know indeed that there are some of
:|> >:|> their leaders who have so committed themselves that pride, if no other
:|> >:|> passion, will prevent their coalescing. We must be easy with them. The
:|> >:|> eastern states will be the last to come over, on account of the dominion of
:|> >:|> the clergy, who had got a smell of union between church and state. and
:|> >:|> began to indulge reveries which can never be realized in the present state
:|> >:|> of science. If indeed they could have prevailed on us to view all advances
:|> >:|> in science as dangerous innovations and to look back to the opinions and
:|> >:|> practices of our forefathers, instead of looking forward, for improvement,
:|> >:|> a promising ground work would have been laid. But I am in hopes their good
:|> >:|> sense will dictate to them that since the mountain will not come to them,
:|> >:|> they had better go to the mountain: that they will find their interest in
:|> >:|> acquiescing in the liberty and science of their country, and that the
:|> >:|> Christian religion
:|> >:|> when divested of the rags in which they have inveloped it, and brought to
:|> >:|> the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a
:|> >:|> religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science,
:|> >:|> and the freest expansions of the human mind.
:|> >:|> I sincerely wish with you we could see our government so assured as
:|> >:|> to depend less on the character of the person in whose hands it is trusted.
:|> >:|> Bad men will sometimes pet in, and with such an immense patronage, may make
:|> >:|> great progress in corrupting the public mind and principles. This is a
:|> >:|> subject with which wisdom and patriotism should be occupied. I pray you to
:|> >:|> accept assurances of my high respect & esteem. TH:
:|> >:|> JEFFERSON
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> YOUR FAVOR OF THE 3D.: Robinson toTJ, 3 Mar. 1801, congratulated TJ upon
:|> >:|> his election to the presidency, expressed the hope that "the time may
:|> >:|> arrive when the Safety of our Civil and Religious Rights will not so much
:|> >:|> depend on the disposition of the person administering the Executive branch
:|> >:|> of Government as at Present it does," and discussed political affairs in
:|> >:|> Vermont. Robinson (1742-1813), a leading Republican leader in Vermont, was
:|> >:|> a former Vermont chief justice and governor who had served in the U.S.
:|> >:|> Senate from 1791 to 1796.
:|> >:|> (SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Letter to Moses Robinson from Jefferson, March 23,
:|> >:|> 1801. PrC (DLC) pp 324 EXTRACTS
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|> (SOURCE OF INFORMATION: The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, 2nd series,
:|> >:|> Jefferson's Extracts from the Gospels, "The Philosophy of Jesus" and "The
:|> >:|> Life and Morals of Jesus." Dickinson W. Adams, Editor, Princeton University
:|> >:|> Press, Princeton, N J, (1983) pp 405-06)
:|> >:|> THE DOCUMENTARY HISTORY OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE OF
:|> >:|> SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
:|> >:|> 1750-1947 Vol 5
:|> >:|>
:|> >:|
:|> >:|
:|> >:|"...acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence, which by
:|> >:|all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man
:|> >:|here and his greater happiness hereafter..." - Thomas Jefferson's words
:|> >:|in an official capacity (Inaugural Address)
:|> >:|
:|> >:|-Quote supplied from my own book, A Nation Under God...
:|>
:|
:|Couldn't deny Jefferson's official religious words...I see.
:|
:|Ken Clifton
:|christiansuperhero.com
Thomas jefferson was a strict separationist
Thomas Jefferson was not a orthodox Christian.
enough said
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.
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