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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Not-easily-duped"
Date:	24 Nov 2003 11:14:27 AM
Object:	Separation Of Church And State Is It What God Wants?

When you reach the Land that the Lord your God is giving you,
and occupy it, and settle down in it, and then declare to yourself:
"I must place a king over me like all the nations around me,"
make sure you place over you the king your God chooses.
You must choose one of your countrymen king over you.
You shall not put a foreigner over you who is not from among
your brethren...
As soon as he takes his seat on his royal throne, he must write
for himself a copy of this Law/Torah, he must keep it and
read it all the day of his life that he may learn to revere the Lord
his God, by being careful to observe all the Law and serve with
justice his fellow men. Deut 17:14-20
How can anyone tell me that this God is nolonger interested in
matters related to states, therefor we should separate Church and State?
This God is the source of Law and the God of principalities and dominions
How could he possibly be indiferent to politics?
WOE TO THOSE WHO SAY:"LET US SEPARATE CHRIST AND STATE."
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	14 Dec 2003 03:07:14 AM

(Will) wrote:

Mark, name an alternative to the theory of evolution

I'll go ya one better. You tell . . me . . what IS . . The Theory of
evolution, just to begin with:
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .
and just complete the sentence.
Peace.
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "Bob"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	14 Dec 2003 06:10:15 AM

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:07:14 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

wryan@mindspring.com (Will) wrote:

Mark, name an alternative to the theory of evolution

I'll go ya one better. You tell . . me . . what IS . . The Theory of
evolution, just to begin with:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

and just complete the sentence.

natural selection
next question
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User: "Paul Duca"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	14 Dec 2003 08:46:04 AM

Bob wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:07:14 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

wryan@mindspring.com (Will) wrote:

Mark, name an alternative to the theory of evolution

I'll go ya one better. You tell . . me . . what IS . . The Theory of
evolution, just to begin with:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

and just complete the sentence.

natural selection

next question

Mark is trying to attract Protestant converts....hey, we bow
down to creation science in the Catholic Church too!
Paul
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User: "William Barwell"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	14 Dec 2003 05:15:47 PM

Bob wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:07:14 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

wryan@mindspring.com (Will) wrote:

Mark, name an alternative to the theory of evolution

I'll go ya one better. You tell . . me . . what IS . . The Theory of
evolution, just to begin with:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

and just complete the sentence.

natural selection

next question

Actually, half the answer.
Evolution, "descent with modification".
This was suspected since the days of teh Greek philosphers of course, evern
Darwins's Grandfather worte a book on evolution.
How evolution works was the question. Darwin
came up with TWO answers. natural selection was one answer.
The other was....
____________________
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Bush! Chimp or chump?
Cheerful Charlie
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User: "Alberich"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	14 Dec 2003 11:24:18 AM

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:07:14 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

wryan@mindspring.com (Will) wrote:

Mark, name an alternative to the theory of evolution

I'll go ya one better. You tell . . me . . what IS . . The Theory of
evolution, just to begin with:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

and just complete the sentence.

Same ol' song, eh Markie? I thought you were ready to discuss the
science here?
Alberich
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	14 Dec 2003 12:10:30 PM

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:07:14 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

wryan@mindspring.com (Will) wrote:
I'll go ya one better. You tell . . me . . what IS . . The Theory of
evolution, just to begin with:
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .
and just complete the sentence.

Same ol' song, eh Markie? I thought you were ready to discuss the
science here?

Evolutionism, Al. That's why science doesn't enter into it. I mean,
just look at the basic question. Look at the difficulty you have even
answering that. Science? You don't know what the word means.
Quick, Al - who's buried in Grant's tomb?
Peace.
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "Alberich"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	14 Dec 2003 12:29:51 PM

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:10:30 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:07:14 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

wryan@mindspring.com (Will) wrote:

I'll go ya one better. You tell . . me . . what IS . . The Theory of
evolution, just to begin with:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

and just complete the sentence.

Same ol' song, eh Markie? I thought you were ready to discuss the
science here?

Evolutionism, Al. That's why science doesn't enter into it. I mean,

I agree with that. But you didn't ask for a definition of
"Evolutionism," Markie, you asked for a "Theory of Evolution." No
wonder you Creationists can't get anything right--you can't even keep
your terms straight.
Albie
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	15 Dec 2003 12:28:45 AM

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

"Evolutionism," Markie, you asked for a "Theory of Evolution."

Asking a question and getting an answer are two different things, Al.
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .
and you know what.
Peace.
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "Alberich"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	15 Dec 2003 12:37:19 AM

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:28:45 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

"Evolutionism," Markie, you asked for a "Theory of Evolution."

Asking a question and getting an answer are two different things, Al.

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .

and you know what.

Sorry, Markie. I've answered your question more than once. And like
you've always done when faced with answers you don't like, you bury
your head in the sand. I'm done playing this game with you.
Alberich
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	17 Dec 2003 01:34:16 AM

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

Sorry, Markie. I've answered your question more than once.

Apparently you've forgotten what you said. Let's try again.
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .
and see if you can complete the sentence, now, Dec 2003.
Peace.
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "Alberich"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	17 Dec 2003 10:59:46 AM

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:34:16 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

Sorry, Markie. I've answered your question more than once.

Apparently you've forgotten what you said. Let's try again.

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .

and see if you can complete the sentence, now, Dec 2003.

You are a joke. I've given you every chance to address the issue
fairly and on point. At every turn, you've proven yourself to aspire
to becoming a lightweight intellect one day. Sadly, I think that day
is far off.
Alberich
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User: "Alberich"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	18 Dec 2003 06:07:29 PM

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:43:20 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:34:16 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

You are a joke.

Same to you, Al.

I've given you every chance to address the issue
fairly and on point.

But not in this life, and this reality, Al. Not here, not now, not on
Usenet. See how that works? Whatever you are thinking to yourself, you
have to type those words in. So what I ask about evolutionism, you
have to say something. I can't read your mind. For example:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .

and just complete the sentence, if you still can?

Again? Why not just address one of the many times I have answered
you, you coward?
Alberich
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	19 Dec 2003 03:55:54 AM

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

and just complete the sentence, if you still can?

Again?

It's been so long, Al. Maybe you've forgotten. Let me remind you:
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .
and just complete the sentence.
Then we'll work on who's buried in Grant's tomb? But first things,
first.
Peace.
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "Alberich"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	19 Dec 2003 11:05:48 AM

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:55:54 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

and just complete the sentence, if you still can?

Again?

It's been so long, Al. Maybe you've forgotten. Let me remind you:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

and just complete the sentence.

No, I remember. Perhaps you've forgotten? If so, that's why there's
Groups Google, Markie. Go, look it up, and then maybe we'll talk.
(Besides, what's wrong? Haven't I yet phrased it in such a way as to
give you something semantic to jump on?)
Alberich
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	19 Dec 2003 01:24:59 PM

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .
and just complete the sentence.

No, I remember. Perhaps you've forgotten?

Gee, Al, still being difficult?
Been searching Google for the answer to the Grant's tomb question,
I'll wager. No luck, yet?
Peace.
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "Alberich"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	19 Dec 2003 01:51:22 PM

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:24:59 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

and just complete the sentence.

No, I remember. Perhaps you've forgotten?

Gee, Al, still being difficult?

Gee, Markie, still being obtuse. (I'll give you a minute to pull up a
dictionary for that one. Got it...good!) This is quite easy: If
*you* remember what I wrote, and *I* remember what I wrote, there can
be no valid reason to ask me to write it again. This leads to only
two possible conclusions: Either (1) You can't remember what I wrote
and refuse to look it up, or (2) You do remember, but are trying to
play some sort of game instead of addressing the topic. Which part of
this do you have trouble understanding?
Alberich
PS: And yes, I know who *are* buried in Grant's Tomb--he and the mrs.
Now tell me, why are they there?
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	21 Dec 2003 12:26:53 AM

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:24:59 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .
and just complete the sentence.

No, I remember. Perhaps you've forgotten?

Gee, Al, still being difficult?

Gee, Markie, still being obtuse.

No, just wondering, Al.
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .
and you know what.
Peace.
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "Alberich"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	21 Dec 2003 02:01:17 AM

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:26:53 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:24:59 -0800, Mark Johnson
<102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote:

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

and just complete the sentence.

No, I remember. Perhaps you've forgotten?

Gee, Al, still being difficult?

Gee, Markie, still being obtuse.

No, just wondering, Al.

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .

and you know what.

As many times as I've posted it, we should both know what by now.
Alberich
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	21 Dec 2003 09:32:27 AM

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .
and you know what.

As many times as I've posted it, we should both know what by now.

Then why can't you remember?
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .
and you know what.
Merry Christmas.
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User: "SumBuny"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	21 Dec 2003 11:49:02 AM

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:67fbuv41gm9hds39tgvnp004cjct0cqfgr@4ax.com...

Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .

and you know what.

As many times as I've posted it, we should both know what by now.

Then why can't you remember?

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .

and you know what.

Apparently it is caused by repetition...at least in this thread...
Buny
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	22 Dec 2003 12:54:37 AM

"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .
and you know what.

Apparently it is caused by repetition...at least in this thread...

Maybe there's just no answer to the question?
Peace.
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "SumBuny"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	22 Dec 2003 12:32:56 PM

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:345duvgkrbijvhb62hicqqugsias5ii89e@4ax.com...

"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .

and you know what.

Apparently it is caused by repetition...at least in this thread...

Maybe there's just no answer to the question?

You seem overly familiar to "no answer to someone's question"...
Buny
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	22 Dec 2003 07:12:04 PM

"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:345duvgkrbijvhb62hicqqugsias5ii89e@4ax.com...

"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .
and you know what.

Apparently it is caused by repetition...at least in this thread...

Maybe there's just no answer to the question?

You seem overly familiar to "no answer to someone's question"...

Is _that_ an answer to the question?
I don't see how. Don't you also believe in evolutionism? in this week
when we celebrate the birth of God, The Second Person of the Holy
Trinity - consubstantial with the Creator of all we see, and God, The
Holy Spirit.
Something to consider this Christmas. Merry Christmas, even to a
Catholic Reformed.
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Theorem: All numbers are equal.
Choose arbitrary a and b, and let t = a + b.
(a + b)(a - b) = t(a - b)
a^2 - b^2 = ta - tb
a^2 - ta = b^2 - tb
a^2 - ta + (t^2)/4 = b^2 - tb + (t^2)/4
(a - t/2)^2 = (b - t/2)^2
a - t/2 = b - t/2
a = b
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User: "SumBuny"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	22 Dec 2003 11:26:25 PM

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . .

and you know what.

Apparently it is caused by repetition...at least in this thread...

Maybe there's just no answer to the question?

You seem overly familiar to "no answer to someone's question"...

Is _that_ an answer to the question?

No...it is an *observation* (look it up if you don't know the term) of your
past history of dodging questions...at last count, there was over 25
questions that *you* have refused to answer. This list can be seen by any
and all at http://home.jtan.com/~ircd_/meetmarkjohnson/#thennow

I don't see how. Don't you also believe in evolutionism?

Have I ever said that I do? I mentioned a possible way that it can be
resolved with Catholicism, but never stated if I believed in it...
Buny
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User: "SumBuny"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	23 Dec 2003 05:15:12 PM

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

You seem overly familiar to "no answer to someone's question"...

Is _that_ an answer to the question?

No...it is an *observation*

So what's your answer then?

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

....God.
Buny
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User: "Mark Johnson"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	24 Dec 2003 05:03:30 AM

"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

No...it is an *observation*

So what's your answer then?
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

...God.
Buny

Okay, fair enough. Then, what exactly is the 'fact of' evolution, if
The Theory of is simply:
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by God.
Merry Christmas, and are you SURE that's The Theory of?
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One mark of a deteriorating society is when its people cannot
discern truth from lies. Another is when they don't even bother
to try and will believe whatever their itching ears want to hear.
[Cal Thomas, 4 SEP 2000]
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User: "SumBuny"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	24 Dec 2003 11:11:52 AM

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

"Mark Johnson" <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

No...it is an *observation*

So what's your answer then?

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

...God.
Buny

Okay, fair enough. Then, what exactly is the 'fact of' evolution, if
The Theory of is simply:

The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by God.

You did not ask for "facts", you asked for a theory...

Merry Christmas, and are you SURE that's The Theory of?

It is a theory...I never claimed it was the only one.
Buny
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User: "dots@fat b a b i e s.com Alhazred"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	23 Dec 2003 05:08:56 AM

And thence there was but Alhazred's reply to "SumBuny"
<sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net>:
This list can be seen by any

and all at http://home.jtan.com/~ircd_/meetmarkjohnson/#thennow

HAHAHA!
-----
Eric Alhazred
"A report released Monday by NYU's Center For Media
Studies has found that television, accused by experts
of diminishing children's attention spans and discour-
aging them from interacting with others, can actually
help children as young as six months develop essential
looking skills."
--The Onion (www.theonion.com)
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User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Discussing evolution (wasRe: Still a Christian Nation)	23 Dec 2003 09:32:05 AM

Mark Johnson <102334.12@compuserve.com> wrote in alt.atheism

"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:

You seem overly familiar to "no answer to someone's question"...

Is _that_ an answer to the question?

No...it is an *observation*

So what's your answer then?
The Theory of evolution is that evolution is caused by . . .

Incorrect copying of DNA and mutations which leads to changes
in the gene pool.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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