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"desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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03 Mar 2005 08:47:32 AM |
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Serial Killer still part of the body of christ |
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_on_re_us/btk_killings
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
Dennis Rader, charged with 10 killings over the past three
decades, was let go from his job as a compliance supervisor in the
Wichita suburb of Park City. The City Council took the action on
an unanimous vote Wednesday evening, giving failure to report to
work or call in as the reason for Rader's dismissal.
Earlier in the day, Rader was visited in jail by his pastor, the
Rev. Michael Clark of Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita.
"We are not going to cut him off. I could tell that he was
relieved," Clark told The Associated Press. "He is still a part of
the body of Christ — and that is something some people will have a
hard time hearing."
In an interview, Clark declined to disclose more details of his
45-minute conversation with Rader, citing confidentiality as his
pastor. They spoke a day after Rader was formally charged with 10
counts of first-degree murder.
"His demeanor seemed to be OK," Clark said. "He seems to be
handling things as well as he can."
Since the BTK killer's first slayings in 1974, investigators have
searched for the man who gave himself the "Bind, Torture, Kill"
nickname and taunted police with letters and packages sent to
media outlets.
The Wichita Eagle reported Thursday, citing unidentified sources,
that investigators had obtained DNA before Rader's arrest from a
tissue sample linked to his daughter's medical records.
The sources told the newspaper that the sample was obtained
without the daughter's knowledge and that investigators wanted to
hide from Rader that they were zeroing in on him as a suspect.
BTK had been wanted for eight killings for years, but when
authorities announced Rader's arrest Saturday they alleged he also
had committed two other murders, the latest in 1991.
For now, Rader remains president of Christ Lutheran Church
Council, although he will eventually have to relinquish some
church leadership positions, Clark said.
As far as Rader's job is concerned, Mayor Emil Bergquist told the
Eagle that the city planned to tell Rader on Thursday about the
council's decision to terminate him, probably through county jail
officials.
Rader can receive benefits he has accrued, said city attorney Tom
Powell, although it's unclear how much vacation time, sick leave
and retirement savings Rader has available. Park City hired Rader
on May 10, 1991, and he was earning $16.20 an hour.
The case has shaken Clark's church since Friday, when detectives
arrived with a search warrant and informed the pastor of Rader's
arrest in connection with the BTK killings.
Clark was so dumbfounded he asked detectives to repeat their
information three times. He gave police a list of 10 to 15 people,
including Rader, who had access to the church computer.
A diskette authorities say was sent by the BTK killer to a
television station apparently contained an electronic imprint that
identified the church computer, Clark said.
Rader used the computer at least once, when he printed out a
council agenda in late January, Clark said. The pastor said he had
to show Rader how to put the disk into the computer and use it.
Clark also said he learned from Rader's family that police had
taken a DNA sample from Rader's daughter, but he did not know any
other details. He stressed the daughter did not turn her father in
as a local media outlet had reported.
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| User: "Mr. Jim McManus" |
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| Title: Re: Serial Killer still part of the body of christ |
05 Mar 2005 05:41:32 PM |
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Desertphile, American Patriot wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_on_re_us/btk_killings
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
Dennis Rader, charged with 10 killings over the past three
decades, was let go from his job as a compliance supervisor in the
Wichita suburb of Park City. The City Council took the action on
an unanimous vote Wednesday evening, giving failure to report to
work or call in as the reason for Rader's dismissal.
Earlier in the day, Rader was visited in jail by his pastor, the
Rev. Michael Clark of Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita.
"We are not going to cut him off. I could tell that he was
relieved," Clark told The Associated Press. "He is still a part of
the body of Christ...
Hmmm. Just exactly what part is he?"
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| User: "Rose Marie Holt" |
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| Title: Re: Serial Killer still part of the body of christ |
05 Mar 2005 09:14:04 PM |
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In article <1110066092.582150.268070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Mr. Jim McManus" <one_thousand_coffee_filters@yahoo.com> wrote:
Desertphile, American Patriot wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_on_r
e_us/btk_killings
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
Dennis Rader, charged with 10 killings over the past three
decades, was let go from his job as a compliance supervisor in the
Wichita suburb of Park City. The City Council took the action on
an unanimous vote Wednesday evening, giving failure to report to
work or call in as the reason for Rader's dismissal.
Earlier in the day, Rader was visited in jail by his pastor, the
Rev. Michael Clark of Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita.
"We are not going to cut him off. I could tell that he was
relieved," Clark told The Associated Press. "He is still a part of
the body of Christ...
Hmmm. Just exactly what part is he?"
The prankster part
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Serial Killer still part of the body of christ |
05 Mar 2005 03:32:40 PM |
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Desertphile, American Patriot wrote:
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
mass murdering for the Lord Jesus?, tell me it isnt so...
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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06 Mar 2005 10:33:35 AM |
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wrote:
Desertphile, American Patriot wrote:
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
mass murdering for the Lord Jesus?, tell me it isnt so...
Yeah, it's never happened before. }:-}
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| User: "desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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05 Mar 2005 05:24:49 PM |
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On 5 Mar 2005 13:32:40 -0800, wrote:
Desertphile, American Patriot wrote:
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
mass murdering for the Lord Jesus?, tell me it isnt so...
When has it not been so?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Serial Killer still part of the body of christ |
03 Mar 2005 11:48:29 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:47:32 GMT, desertphile@hot mail. com
(Desertphile, American Patriot) said in alt.atheism:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_on_re_us/btk_killings
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
Well, what's a little killing, as long as he still accepts Jayzus as
his savior?
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surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: Serial Killer still part of the body of christ |
04 Mar 2005 04:46:02 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:aeje21h7gg5uu48cli4lt7ju7jnok2duru@4ax.com...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:47:32 GMT, desertphile@hot mail. com
(Desertphile, American Patriot) said in alt.atheism:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_o
n_re_us/btk_killings
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
Well, what's a little killing, as long as he still accepts Jayzus as
his savior?
--
Just demonstrating an unthinking, rabid hatred of something you disagree
with.
1. This man is a suspect only. He may have done the deeds, but we do not
know yet, and will not until he has been convicted for his crimes.
2. You would insist that he be excumincated on the basis of charges, and
not a conviction? Ever hear of Judge Lynch.
3. If this man is guilty of murder, he will be punished. Christian or not,
he will probably get the death penalty.
4. This is where you people do not understand the Grace of God. If the man
is guilty, but truly repentant, he will still face human justice. However,
God's Justice will have been met in Christ, God's Son. Of course the Church
will not reject him if he is repentant. And, of course, the Church will
reach out to him, offering
him God's forgiveness.
5. But if he is not guilty, and we do not know this yet, then why should he
be rejected by his Church?
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "" |
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05 Mar 2005 03:43:25 PM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:aeje21h7gg5uu48cli4lt7ju7jnok2duru@4ax.com...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:47:32 GMT, desertphile@hot mail. com
(Desertphile, American Patriot) said in alt.atheism:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_o
n_re_us/btk_killings
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
Well, what's a little killing, as long as he still accepts Jayzus
as
his savior?
--
Just demonstrating an unthinking, rabid hatred of something you
disagree
with.
3. If this man is guilty of murder, he will be punished. Christian
or not,
he will probably get the death penalty.
is that standard christian procedure to give the death penalty for
murder? I cant wait until that mass murdering Bush gets to sit in the
electric chair.
5. But if he is not guilty, and we do not know this yet, then why
should he
be rejected by his Church?
God Bless
Carl
I agree, I dont see why a church of supporters of mass murderers
should, maybe they can all sit in the electric chair.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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03 Mar 2005 11:41:59 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:47:32 GMT, desertphile@hot mail. com
(Desertphile, American Patriot) said in alt.atheism:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_on_re_us/btk_killings
Pastor Visits BTK Suspect in Jail
By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
Well, what's a little killing, as long as he still accepts Jayzus as his savior?
Damn right! God forgives him so everybody else should.
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| User: "desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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03 Mar 2005 01:32:53 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:48:29 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
WICHITA, Kan. - On the same day he was fired from his job, the
suspect in the BTK serial killings got assurances he will continue
to be a member the church where he is a leader.
Well, what's a little killing, as long as he still accepts Jayzus as
his savior?
Just ask "Bill Gannon:" a life of butt-reaming prostitution is
instantly dismissed when one "confesses Christ." Bush2 no doubt
believes his crimes have also been "forgiven."
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surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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03 Mar 2005 11:35:17 AM |
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desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_on_re_us/btk_killings
In an interview, Clark declined to disclose more details of his
45-minute conversation with Rader, citing confidentiality as his
pastor.
Because if he talked, he would have said something like, "He told me that
god talked to him and told him to slaughter all those people and, since
he's a man of god, I believe him."
Just another serial murdering Christian. Nothing new. Move along.
Rader can receive benefits he has accrued, said city attorney Tom
Powell, although it's unclear how much vacation time, sick leave
and retirement savings Rader has available. Park City hired Rader
on May 10, 1991, and he was earning $16.20 an hour.
I wonder if he took vacation days while he was doing god's work.
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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04 Mar 2005 04:36:42 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:112eiorl10imie3@corp.supernews.com...
desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_o
n_re_us/btk_killings
In an interview, Clark declined to disclose more details of his
45-minute conversation with Rader, citing confidentiality as his
pastor.
Because if he talked, he would have said something like, "He told me that
god talked to him and told him to slaughter all those people and, since
he's a man of god, I believe him."
Just another serial murdering Christian. Nothing new. Move along.
Excuse me, but he has only been charged with murder. Your comment is just
plain hateful, and has nothing to do with anything but your own hate.
Rader can receive benefits he has accrued, said city attorney Tom
Powell, although it's unclear how much vacation time, sick leave
and retirement savings Rader has available. Park City hired Rader
on May 10, 1991, and he was earning $16.20 an hour.
I wonder if he took vacation days while he was doing god's work.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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05 Mar 2005 11:40:00 AM |
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"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
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desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_on_re_us/btk_killings
In an interview, Clark declined to disclose more details of his
45-minute conversation with Rader, citing confidentiality as his pastor.
Because if he talked, he would have said something like, "He told me that
god talked to him and told him to slaughter all those people and, since
he's a man of god, I believe him."
Just another serial murdering Christian. Nothing new. Move along.
Excuse me, but he has only been charged with murder. Your comment is just
plain hateful, and has nothing to do with anything but your own hate.
Are you trying to claim this good Christian is not guilty until a jury
says he is?
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| User: "desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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03 Mar 2005 01:32:50 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:35:17 GMT, (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=5&u=/ap/20050303/ap_on_re_us/btk_killings
In an interview, Clark declined to disclose more details of his
45-minute conversation with Rader, citing confidentiality as his
pastor.
Because if he talked, he would have said something like, "He told me that
god talked to him and told him to slaughter all those people and, since
he's a man of god, I believe him."
You mean just like George W Bush.
Just another serial murdering Christian. Nothing new. Move along.
The body count is still riding in Croatia as well.
Rader can receive benefits he has accrued, said city attorney Tom
Powell, although it's unclear how much vacation time, sick leave
and retirement savings Rader has available. Park City hired Rader
on May 10, 1991, and he was earning $16.20 an hour.
I wonder if he took vacation days while he was doing god's work.
Maybe he was supposed to be in his church praying when he was
torturing and killing people. Is that against company policy?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Mar 2005 03:04:07 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:35:17 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) said in alt.atheism:
Rader can receive benefits he has accrued, said city attorney Tom
Powell, although it's unclear how much vacation time, sick leave
and retirement savings Rader has available. Park City hired Rader
on May 10, 1991, and he was earning $16.20 an hour.
I wonder if he took vacation days while he was doing god's work.
If he killed them while he was supposed to be working it would
constitute fraud, which could kill his remaining time and all
benefits.
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have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
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