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"bob" |
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13 Oct 2003 03:57:29 PM |
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serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
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| User: "JD" |
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
13 Oct 2003 04:56:54 PM |
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"bob" <bob@home.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:034movksdn3qts2na7u7ugp2ebuokjrso5@4ax.com...
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
Still, agnostics should be careful not to fall into the popular trap of
accepting the possibility of the existence of god(s) simply because it
cannot be disproved. If one accepts this idea, one must entertain the
possibility of the existence of literally everything. For example, you
can't prove that Pluto is not made of purple Jell-O. You can't even say for
sure that you don't have 3 additional, invisible arms. Among the things
that we can't disprove the existence of there is most definitely a
hierarchy. In my view it is best to stick to things for which we have at
least some evidence and to disbelieve things for which we lack even a tiny
shred of evidence.
I would therefore consider myself most definitely to be an atheist, though I
would never deny evidence of anything if I happened upon it.
Jonathan
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| User: "bob" |
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14 Oct 2003 01:36:01 AM |
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All really good answers. Thanks!! I'm not exactly inexperienced and I
don't REALLY have a need to define myself. I was mostly curious
because I've never considered the term agnostic very much (fence
sitting always seemed wimpy to me...) and then I felt odd when it
seemed that I was one... after thinking some more and after reading
the responses i guess technically i am both, but you all made some
great points and I really don't believe in theism so I can safely call
myself an atheist and offend christians at parties for the rest of my
life!! woo hoo!!! I guess agnosticism comes from our (most of our?)
immersion in biblical/religious culture for so long that we observe
others "knowing" things that we can't prove aren't there if prodded.
But really i guess it aint ours to prove. I do like debating though...
keep up the good work!! and thanks again.
PS. I'm not so sure about this brights thing though... it sounds a
little organized and ayn rand for my tastes, but I guess if it became
a powerful world wide lobby of sorts it could be helpful in slowly
lessening religious damage on all sorts of levels... maybe... or maybe
it's too late............... ;-)
bob
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| User: "Steven Hunter" |
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
13 Oct 2003 04:45:19 PM |
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"bob" <bob@home.com> wrote in message
news:034movksdn3qts2na7u7ugp2ebuokjrso5@4ax.com...
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive; one can easily be both.
Agnosticism constitutes an epistemological assertion concerning the question
of god. Atheism is about what someone believes, i.e., that there is no god.
So, you can be both an agnostic and an atheist.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
13 Oct 2003 06:36:46 PM |
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"bob" <bob@home.com> wrote in message
news:034movksdn3qts2na7u7ugp2ebuokjrso5@4ax.com...
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
Do you believe in a god or gods?
If you answer yes, you're a theist.
If you answer no, you're an atheist.
Note that this question does NOT address whether there IS a god or not. It
only asks whether you have a belief, and you either do or you don't.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "*Nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
13 Oct 2003 04:24:05 PM |
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In article <034movksdn3qts2na7u7ugp2ebuokjrso5@4ax.com>,
bob <bob@home.com> wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i?
I think a good case can be made that you're both. Atheism relates to
your beliefs. Agnosticism relates to your knowledge.
i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
Being atheist #1331, I can say that your question isn't stupid to me. If
that helps at all... {;-)
bob
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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15 Oct 2003 04:12:09 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2003, bob <bob@home.com> screwed up his face, groaned, pushed
hard, and farted out the following message in
news:034movksdn3qts2na7u7ugp2ebuokjrso5@4ax.com:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
You're an atheist, by the definition we atheists use (and who else is
the expert, if not atheists themselves?).
On another note, you may want to change your handle, to avoid being
confused with Smiley Bob (who also uses 'bob' as his handle) -- and
trust me, you do *not* want to be confused with Smiley Bob...
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Rv Cloim" |
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
13 Oct 2003 06:33:18 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:29 +0000, bob wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever.
That makes you agnostic.
But I really believe that all
religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it is
true...
That probably means your an atheist.
Atheism in its simplest context is a lack of belief in deity.
so which am i?
I'd say both.
i've always said i was was an atheist, but reading
some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would say they are
atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused, thoughtless,
stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
Agnostics can be theists or atheists. However, in my experience, most
people who refer to themselves as agnostics are atheists (sometimes even
atheistic agnostics).
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| User: "Brainfried Sysadmin" |
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
13 Oct 2003 05:30:24 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:29 +0000, bob wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
If you wish, you're a Bright. You don't have to split hairs unless you
want to.
www.the-brights.net
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| User: "c186282" |
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13 Oct 2003 07:48:01 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:29 +0000, bob wrote:
For the longest time I considered myself an agnostic. However, for all
practical purposes I was an atheist. I would often say "If the answer
was in an envelope I would lay my money (and a theists would say, my
life also) on there being no god". But like you I had no proof that
there was no god, so I called myself an agnostic.
However, one day I noticed an obvious inconstancy in my philosophy. I'm
a scientist. If a fellow scientist makes a claim I do not believe it until
I see proof. And likewise if I make a claim I do not expect anyone to
believe me until I supply sufficient proof. If I make a claim I realize the
burden of proof is on me to prove that it is so, not on the other
person to prove that it is not so.
Theists make many grand claims about their gods but I have yet to see
any proof.
It all comes down to a simple statement:
There is no reason to believe in a god.
Therefore I'm an atheist.
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
13 Oct 2003 10:12:22 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:29 GMT, bob <bob@home.com> wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever.
Then you are an agnostic.
But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true...
Then you are an atheist.
so which am i?
Both.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Oct 2003 08:58:00 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:29 GMT, bob <bob@home.com> wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
Does it really matter?
The important thing is that the theists' very god-premise doesn't even
apply to you.
Most people (usually but not limited to theists) don't realise that
non-theists and theists aren't even talking about the same thing: to
the theist it's a given, the creator etc; to most atheists it's simply
the theist's religious belief and so what.
If you're not theist then you are atheist - it's the contrapositive.
bob
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| User: "Jim07D3" |
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13 Oct 2003 05:04:56 PM |
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bob <bob@home.com> said:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
From the above I'd say you are an agnostic in your head and an atheist
in your heart.
Jim07D3
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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15 Oct 2003 04:14:30 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2003, Jim07D3 <Jim07D3@nospam.net> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:8d8mov0qhdfu1q0p6mohfmo44suqma4fbj@4ax.com:
bob <bob@home.com> said:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
From the above I'd say you are an agnostic in your head and an atheist
in your heart.
No, he's an agnostic atheist. He doesn't believe in any god(s), which
makes him an atheist. He doesn't profess absolute knowledge of the
nonexistence of god(s), which makes him agnostic. Thus he is an
agnostic atheist (an atheist who does not profess absolute knowledge of
the lack of god(s)).
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Kevin Aylward" |
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
16 Oct 2003 05:09:37 AM |
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Mekkala wrote:
On 13 Oct 2003, Jim07D3 <Jim07D3@nospam.net> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:8d8mov0qhdfu1q0p6mohfmo44suqma4fbj@4ax.com:
bob <bob@home.com> said:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence
of a god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really
believe that all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent
and just.. well.. *****... i can't prove it, but i really don't
think that any of it is true... so which am i? i've always said i
was was an atheist, but reading some stuff in here has me wondering
whether people who would say they are atheist 2475 (for example...)
would consider me confused, thoughtless, stupid, of a different
mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
From the above I'd say you are an agnostic in your head and an
atheist in your heart.
No, he's an agnostic atheist. He doesn't believe in any god(s), which
makes him an atheist. He doesn't profess absolute knowledge of the
nonexistence of god(s), which makes him agnostic. Thus he is an
agnostic atheist (an atheist who does not profess absolute knowledge
of the lack of god(s)).
Well, I must be an "engineering atheist". That is, whilst I acknowledge
the scientific principle that without a proof of no-existence of all
gods, there must necessarily be some doubt, I state without any doubt,
that gods don't exist. That is, a probability of 0.00000000000000001% is
zero in engineering terms.
Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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16 Oct 2003 11:22:07 AM |
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On 16 Oct 2003, "Kevin Aylward" <kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk>
screwed up his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following
message in news:C7ujb.66$id2.19@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net:
Mekkala wrote:
On 13 Oct 2003, Jim07D3 <Jim07D3@nospam.net> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:8d8mov0qhdfu1q0p6mohfmo44suqma4fbj@4ax.com:
bob <bob@home.com> said:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence
of a god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really
believe that all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent
and just.. well.. *****... i can't prove it, but i really don't
think that any of it is true... so which am i? i've always said i
was was an atheist, but reading some stuff in here has me wondering
whether people who would say they are atheist 2475 (for example...)
would consider me confused, thoughtless, stupid, of a different
mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
From the above I'd say you are an agnostic in your head and an
atheist in your heart.
No, he's an agnostic atheist. He doesn't believe in any god(s),
which
makes him an atheist. He doesn't profess absolute knowledge of the
nonexistence of god(s), which makes him agnostic. Thus he is an
agnostic atheist (an atheist who does not profess absolute knowledge
of the lack of god(s)).
Well, I must be an "engineering atheist". That is, whilst I
acknowledge
the scientific principle that without a proof of no-existence of all
gods, there must necessarily be some doubt, I state without any doubt,
that gods don't exist. That is, a probability of 0.00000000000000001%
is
zero in engineering terms.
That still makes you an agnostic atheist, although you could say you're
a gnostic atheist in engineering terms :D
But, yeah, that's pretty much the same way I look at it.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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14 Oct 2003 05:03:05 PM |
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bob <bob@home.com> thought hard and said:
<snip>
You are an agnostic.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "bob" |
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15 Oct 2003 03:02:57 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:03:05 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
bob <bob@home.com> thought hard and said:
<snip>
You are an agnostic.
everyone else says i'm both and i trust them!! ;-)
bob
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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14 Oct 2003 10:58:00 AM |
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bob <bob@home.com> writes:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever.
You're an agnostic. Check.
But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****...
You're an atheist. Check.
You *can* be both. They cover two different topics. One is
about knowledge-- whether or not you can know a deity exists. The other
is about belief, whether or not, in the face of such lack, you believe
it exists.
Elf
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| User: "Eric Pepke" |
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14 Oct 2003 03:39:31 PM |
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bob <bob@home.com> wrote in message news:<034movksdn3qts2na7u7ugp2ebuokjrso5@4ax.com>...
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****...
You're probably both.
Don't worry too much about it.
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| User: "Woden" |
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13 Oct 2003 08:31:09 PM |
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bob <bob@home.com> wrote in news:034movksdn3qts2na7u7ugp2ebuokjrso5@
4ax.com:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
Does it matter which label you use to describe your lack of god beliefs?
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Drew" |
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13 Oct 2003 04:16:33 PM |
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bob <bob@home.com> wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
I would say you are agnostic; not quite experienced in these matters
but that is my opinion. You still a free thinker either way though;
and in my opinion, that's all that really matters.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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13 Oct 2003 07:55:26 PM |
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bob wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a
god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really believe that
all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent and just.. well..
*****... i can't prove it, but i really don't think that any of it
is true... so which am i? i've always said i was was an atheist, but
reading some stuff in here has me wondering whether people who would
say they are atheist 2475 (for example...) would consider me confused,
thoughtless, stupid, of a different mindset or whatever... thanks.
bob
It's really quite simple bob:
Atheist: One without gods
Agnostic: One without knowledge of gods
Now, place yourself into the category that best suits your view of
religion and gods.
Part of the joy of free thinking is being able to see yourself for what
you are. Not what someone thinks you should be.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 ULC Minister
Home School Educator for Computer Science
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Maverick" |
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14 Oct 2003 04:40:18 AM |
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10/14/2003, around 02:55:26 AM, Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
bob wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence
of a god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really
believe that all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent
and just.. well.. *****... i can't prove it, but i really don't
think that any of it is true... so which am i? i've always said i
was was an atheist, but reading some stuff in here has me wondering
whether people who would say they are atheist 2475 (for example...)
would consider me confused, thoughtless, stupid, of a different
mindset or whatever... thanks. > > bob
It's really quite simple bob:
Atheist: One without gods
Agnostic: One without knowledge of gods
So an agnostic is someone who doesn't know everything about certain
fantasystories?
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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15 Oct 2003 07:09:32 PM |
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Maverick wrote:
10/14/2003, around 02:55:26 AM, Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
bob wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence
of a god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really
believe that all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent
and just.. well.. *****... i can't prove it, but i really don't
think that any of it is true... so which am i? i've always said i
was was an atheist, but reading some stuff in here has me wondering
whether people who would say they are atheist 2475 (for example...)
would consider me confused, thoughtless, stupid, of a different
mindset or whatever... thanks. > > bob
It's really quite simple bob:
Atheist: One without gods
Agnostic: One without knowledge of gods
So an agnostic is someone who doesn't know everything about certain
fantasystories?
Read into it what you will. People translate things differently for
different reasons.
But I read them as I wrote them. Nothing more, nothing less.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 ULC Minister
Home School Educator for Computer Science
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| Title: Re: serious question: am i an atheist or an agnostic? |
14 Oct 2003 08:01:50 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:40:18 +0000, Maverick wrote:
10/14/2003, around 02:55:26 AM, Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
bob wrote:
I believe that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence
of a god, higher power, spirituality, whatever. But I really
believe that all religion and spirituality are totally fraudulent
and just.. well.. *****... i can't prove it, but i really don't
think that any of it is true... so which am i? i've always said i
was was an atheist, but reading some stuff in here has me wondering
whether people who would say they are atheist 2475 (for example...)
would consider me confused, thoughtless, stupid, of a different
mindset or whatever... thanks. > > bob
It's really quite simple bob:
Atheist: One without gods
Agnostic: One without knowledge of gods
So an agnostic is someone who doesn't know everything about certain
fantasystories?
As I recall and why I now classify myself as an atheist, an agnostic
believes that they can not know the existence of a gawd. I say this is
rubbish.
Go take a look of the definitions at www.dictionary.com and have your
stomach turned as atheist are described as "immoral". Holy cow! Stop the
presses. I just went to check the defintion of atheist and they have
removed the "immoral" part. It was in an American Heritage Dictionary
of some sort from the year 2000.
As the definitions you will find of atheist and agnostic can vary
a bit depending upon where you get them from and get expecially ugly
when written by theist-involved dictionaries. Therefore, I now
consider myself to be a Bright to avoid the whole issue and for there to
be a definitive definition of a Bright.
www.the-brights.net
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