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"Therion Ware" |
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10 Oct 2003 12:07:11 PM |
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Serious Question. Honest. |
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
14 Oct 2003 01:04:44 AM |
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John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<a1gmovkbt0e78em2pcraeoti1o039f8blo@4ax.com>...
On 13 Oct 2003 06:37:31 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Whatever you say.
John W
Interesting how you run away from things that you don't know how to
address because I exposed very OBVIOUS and fatal flaws in the
christian belief that even you can understand. You should be at least
kind enough to thank us for helping you to understand such simple
things. As you know, it doesn't make thought to know that I was right
in what I said. Once you understand, and which I am sure that you do
now, it's like a light bulb turning on...and you wonder ... 'Hey! It's
so simple and trivial! why didn't I think of that before?!!!!'
When you say 'whatever you say', it simply tells me that you're too
afraid to face what you actually understood from my comments.
Kenny L.
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bs3fov4pb7g3hefvfbm5fmf8oitgvo8fpv@4ax.com>...
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
You're wrong above on both counts ... unfortunately :)
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away. Why? Not because it's not true. You shove it aside because you
simply aren't interested.
Unrealistic events contained in a book is not evidence. Again, you're
wrong about shoving things aside. You made that up, which is what
christians are known to do.
There are none so blind as you who choose to not see.
Again, you're wrong, and you made this up.
"You don't break God's laws; they break you."
Try to break out of this stranglehold then ... if your god is a
all-knowing, perfect planner and perfect designer, then obviously this
god planned and designed every single one of your mechanical actions
with PERFECT knowledge BEFORE you were even created PHYSICALLY. This
means that you cannot have any free-will to do things for yourself
since your actions are actually god's own actions...as they were
planned and designed before you were even physically created...step by
step..move by move..every single one of your actions.
Charlie Shedd
John W
You want to argue against this 'evidence' contained in your bible?
Kenny L.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 12:06:36 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2003 09:40:13 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:06:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:00:40 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:33 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:39:19 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:44:38 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:21:04 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
I would at least begin to take the claim seriosuly if you revealed to
me the name of the book lying by my computer. That should be really
easy. It is nothing like universal peace or having Bush make a speech
without making a mistake. When should I expect an answer?
You'll get an excuse immediately. You'll get an answer never.
Gods and phone-psychics have the same arsenal of excuses when it comes
time to show their abilities in an objective way.
You jokers specialize in the absurd.
And you haven't provided the name of the book next to Thomas's computer.
If someone besides Jesus, a prophet/end time prophet, or an apostle
performed that feat, you'd know you were in the presence of a demon.
When the end time prophets come, they will likely have t hose powers.
THEN you'll have a DIFFERENT reason to not believe! "Yeah, but the
guy walked on water and levitated on Saturday! I was at the baseball
game! I'm not gonna miss my team!"
That would be the "You wouldn't believe anyway" excuse. Not too
impressive.
I wouldn't expect you to be any more impressed with God than he or I
are with you.
You may not have noticed but the post was directed at your response
not at god. Do you often confuse yourself with a deity?
Nuttin plus nuttin is nuttin. You're nuttin.
You are making yourself look so silly and childish. The above remark
is really sad coming from someone one assumes is an adult.
And now, we'l have an ad hominem attack for awhile, since we've run
out of intelligent discourse.
What do you think calling me "nuttin" was, a compliment? I was
responding to a very inane ad hominem.
That you attempt to set the tone of my replies does not mean that I go
along.
From the very beginning you have responded to perfectly legitimate
questions with ad hominem attacks, and now you act self-righteous.
Your hypocrisy is laughable.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 07:18:59 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:06:36 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2003 09:40:13 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:06:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:00:40 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:33 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:39:19 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:44:38 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:21:04 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
I would at least begin to take the claim seriosuly if you revealed to
me the name of the book lying by my computer. That should be really
easy. It is nothing like universal peace or having Bush make a speech
without making a mistake. When should I expect an answer?
You'll get an excuse immediately. You'll get an answer never.
Gods and phone-psychics have the same arsenal of excuses when it comes
time to show their abilities in an objective way.
You jokers specialize in the absurd.
And you haven't provided the name of the book next to Thomas's computer.
If someone besides Jesus, a prophet/end time prophet, or an apostle
performed that feat, you'd know you were in the presence of a demon.
When the end time prophets come, they will likely have t hose powers.
THEN you'll have a DIFFERENT reason to not believe! "Yeah, but the
guy walked on water and levitated on Saturday! I was at the baseball
game! I'm not gonna miss my team!"
That would be the "You wouldn't believe anyway" excuse. Not too
impressive.
I wouldn't expect you to be any more impressed with God than he or I
are with you.
You may not have noticed but the post was directed at your response
not at god. Do you often confuse yourself with a deity?
Nuttin plus nuttin is nuttin. You're nuttin.
You are making yourself look so silly and childish. The above remark
is really sad coming from someone one assumes is an adult.
And now, we'l have an ad hominem attack for awhile, since we've run
out of intelligent discourse.
What do you think calling me "nuttin" was, a compliment? I was
responding to a very inane ad hominem.
What you give you may receive.
That you attempt to set the tone of my replies does not mean that I go
along.
From the very beginning you have responded to perfectly legitimate
questions with ad hominem attacks, and now you act self-righteous.
Your hypocrisy is laughable.
You consider put downs and nonsense "legitimate". I do not. And I have
said repeatedly that i do not come to argue the Bible or to debate. I
clarify, I share my beliefs and experience, I make sure folks like
atheists don't get to twist the scripture without being called on it.
And I disengage from those of you who know it all and are trying to
put Christians in our place.
Kindly stop cross posting to the baptist group. Your rhetoric on "is
there a god?" is a waste of time.
John W
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
14 Oct 2003 01:34:28 AM |
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On 14 Oct 2003 00:18:59 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:06:36 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
snip
Kindly stop cross posting to the baptist group. Your rhetoric on "is
there a god?" is a waste of time.
You seem to have a great deal of it. I notice that you still cannot
answer my challenge, but continue to respond.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 09:56:31 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:06:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:00:40 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Nuttin plus nuttin is nuttin. You're nuttin.
You are making yourself look so silly and childish. The above remark
is really sad coming from someone one assumes is an adult.
Physically: yes.
Mentally: no, definitely not!
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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13 Oct 2003 02:39:09 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:56:31 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:06:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:00:40 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Nuttin plus nuttin is nuttin. You're nuttin.
You are making yourself look so silly and childish. The above remark
is really sad coming from someone one assumes is an adult.
Physically: yes.
Mentally: no, definitely not!
I suspect he is seriously ill mentally.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Oct 2003 06:42:42 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:09 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<3flkovkvr091d92ndd43c9u0ugt0nresah@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:56:31 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:06:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:00:40 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Nuttin plus nuttin is nuttin. You're nuttin.
You are making yourself look so silly and childish. The above remark
is really sad coming from someone one assumes is an adult.
Physically: yes.
Mentally: no, definitely not!
I suspect he is seriously ill mentally.
Indeed. However, such is a common mental illness and, as such, has no
stigma.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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12 Oct 2003 02:24:59 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:06:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<tiuiovc284kjahio4uc56guceivp6lot2i@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 12 Oct 2003 15:00:40 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:33 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:39:19 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:44:38 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:21:04 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
I would at least begin to take the claim seriosuly if you revealed to
me the name of the book lying by my computer. That should be really
easy. It is nothing like universal peace or having Bush make a speech
without making a mistake. When should I expect an answer?
You'll get an excuse immediately. You'll get an answer never.
Gods and phone-psychics have the same arsenal of excuses when it comes
time to show their abilities in an objective way.
You jokers specialize in the absurd.
And you haven't provided the name of the book next to Thomas's computer.
If someone besides Jesus, a prophet/end time prophet, or an apostle
performed that feat, you'd know you were in the presence of a demon.
When the end time prophets come, they will likely have t hose powers.
THEN you'll have a DIFFERENT reason to not believe! "Yeah, but the
guy walked on water and levitated on Saturday! I was at the baseball
game! I'm not gonna miss my team!"
That would be the "You wouldn't believe anyway" excuse. Not too
impressive.
I wouldn't expect you to be any more impressed with God than he or I
are with you.
You may not have noticed but the post was directed at your response
not at god. Do you often confuse yourself with a deity?
Yes, he does.
Nuttin plus nuttin is nuttin. You're nuttin.
You are making yourself look so silly and childish.
He is a Christian.
The above remark
is really sad coming from someone one assumes is an adult.
He's approaching his superstition with the mind of a child as he's been
directed to do.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "John W" |
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13 Oct 2003 04:38:37 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:33 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:39:19 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:44:38 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:21:04 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
I would at least begin to take the claim seriosuly if you revealed to
me the name of the book lying by my computer. That should be really
easy. It is nothing like universal peace or having Bush make a speech
without making a mistake. When should I expect an answer?
You'll get an excuse immediately. You'll get an answer never.
Gods and phone-psychics have the same arsenal of excuses when it comes
time to show their abilities in an objective way.
You jokers specialize in the absurd.
And you haven't provided the name of the book next to Thomas's computer.
If someone besides Jesus, a prophet/end time prophet, or an apostle
performed that feat, you'd know you were in the presence of a demon.
When the end time prophets come, they will likely have t hose powers.
THEN you'll have a DIFFERENT reason to not believe! "Yeah, but the
guy walked on water and levitated on Saturday! I was at the baseball
game! I'm not gonna miss my team!"
That would be the "You wouldn't believe anyway" excuse. Not too
impressive.
Thomas P.
I was using the above as an example of my point, "Light Bulb".
(because you're so bright)
And it was a fine example. YOUR reply simply underlines your total
lack of interest in God, the point to which I have already alluded.
Bye bye, you're wasting my time.
John W
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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13 Oct 2003 12:06:37 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2003 09:38:37 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:33 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:39:19 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:44:38 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:21:04 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
I would at least begin to take the claim seriosuly if you revealed to
me the name of the book lying by my computer. That should be really
easy. It is nothing like universal peace or having Bush make a speech
without making a mistake. When should I expect an answer?
You'll get an excuse immediately. You'll get an answer never.
Gods and phone-psychics have the same arsenal of excuses when it comes
time to show their abilities in an objective way.
You jokers specialize in the absurd.
And you haven't provided the name of the book next to Thomas's computer.
If someone besides Jesus, a prophet/end time prophet, or an apostle
performed that feat, you'd know you were in the presence of a demon.
When the end time prophets come, they will likely have t hose powers.
THEN you'll have a DIFFERENT reason to not believe! "Yeah, but the
guy walked on water and levitated on Saturday! I was at the baseball
game! I'm not gonna miss my team!"
That would be the "You wouldn't believe anyway" excuse. Not too
impressive.
Thomas P.
I was using the above as an example of my point, "Light Bulb".
(because you're so bright)
And it was a fine example. YOUR reply simply underlines your total
lack of interest in God, the point to which I have already alluded.
Bye bye, you're wasting my time.
And the ad hominems continue. Apparently if one does not completely
agree with what you say you can only respond with personal attack.
That is very unfortunate. I consider my answer about the book to be
perfectly legitimate in response to the question of what would
convince me. The only response you offer are insults. Can you defend
your position without assuming that your opponent is evil and without
posting personal insults? So far I have seen no reason to believe
that you have such a capacity.
One more time: If you can name the book lying next to my computer, I
will sincerely feel compelled to seriously consider your claims
concerning Christianity and make further inquiries. You talked about
regularly seeing miracles, so naming a book should be a very simple
matter. Obviously I do not believe you can do it, but that does not
mean the challenge is not sincere or legitimate. My own opinion is
that your anger is an attempt at hiding your utter lack of ability to
back up anything you say. My challenge is for you to prove me wrong.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 07:23:30 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:06:37 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2003 09:38:37 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:33 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:39:19 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:44:38 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:21:04 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
I would at least begin to take the claim seriosuly if you revealed to
me the name of the book lying by my computer. That should be really
easy. It is nothing like universal peace or having Bush make a speech
without making a mistake. When should I expect an answer?
You'll get an excuse immediately. You'll get an answer never.
Gods and phone-psychics have the same arsenal of excuses when it comes
time to show their abilities in an objective way.
You jokers specialize in the absurd.
And you haven't provided the name of the book next to Thomas's computer.
If someone besides Jesus, a prophet/end time prophet, or an apostle
performed that feat, you'd know you were in the presence of a demon.
When the end time prophets come, they will likely have t hose powers.
THEN you'll have a DIFFERENT reason to not believe! "Yeah, but the
guy walked on water and levitated on Saturday! I was at the baseball
game! I'm not gonna miss my team!"
That would be the "You wouldn't believe anyway" excuse. Not too
impressive.
Thomas P.
I was using the above as an example of my point, "Light Bulb".
(because you're so bright)
And it was a fine example. YOUR reply simply underlines your total
lack of interest in God, the point to which I have already alluded.
Bye bye, you're wasting my time.
And the ad hominems continue. Apparently if one does not completely
agree with what you say you can only respond with personal attack.
That is very unfortunate. I consider my answer about the book to be
perfectly legitimate in response to the question of what would
convince me. The only response you offer are insults. Can you defend
your position without assuming that your opponent is evil and without
posting personal insults? So far I have seen no reason to believe
that you have such a capacity.
I gave you an honest answer to your pretentious question. God doesn't
do parlor tricks. And we have the Bible and prophesy as all the proof
we need that it is true and real, to say nothing of the HUNDREDS of
MILLIONS of transformed lives over the several thousand years.
You are simply annoyed that I don't jump on your string.
Your question is of the ilk of "how many angels can dance on the head
of a pin?" or "Can god build a rock so huge he can't lift it?"
NONE are sincere.
John W
One more time: If you can name the book lying next to my computer, I
will sincerely feel compelled to seriously consider your claims
concerning Christianity and make further inquiries. You talked about
regularly seeing miracles, so naming a book should be a very simple
matter. Obviously I do not believe you can do it, but that does not
mean the challenge is not sincere or legitimate. My own opinion is
that your anger is an attempt at hiding your utter lack of ability to
back up anything you say. My challenge is for you to prove me wrong.
I am not angry. and for your "challenge" to mean anything, I must
accept it. I don't. I don't dictate to God; nor do you.
As for your opinion of me, I cried all night when I learned that you
don't like me.
John W
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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14 Oct 2003 06:38:31 AM |
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In alt.atheism on 14 Oct 2003 00:23:30 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
[snip]
I gave you an honest answer to your pretentious question. God doesn't
do parlor tricks.
So why did he do them in the bible, e.g. a dry piece of fur on a
wet ground and a wet piece of fur on a dry ground?
And we have the Bible
Which has errors, despite your whine that it doesn't.
and prophesy as all the proof
Considering that there are 0 valid prophecies....
we need that it is true and real, to say nothing of the HUNDREDS of
MILLIONS of transformed lives over the several thousand years.
Argument from numbers fallacy.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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13 Oct 2003 09:02:22 PM |
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John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
God doesn't do parlor tricks.
God does 'em all the time, what with the recent appearances he's made in
ice cream stains, tortillas, refrigerator mold-stains, etc.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Oct 2003 07:57:09 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:02:22 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <u6mmov4uhcl3j580j2rkddcc5d2q7v11mi@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
God doesn't do parlor tricks.
God does 'em all the time, what with the recent appearances he's made in
ice cream stains, tortillas, refrigerator mold-stains, etc.
I'm still waiting for "God" to be seen in canine excrement.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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14 Oct 2003 01:34:29 AM |
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On 14 Oct 2003 00:23:30 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:06:37 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
snip
I was using the above as an example of my point, "Light Bulb".
(because you're so bright)
And it was a fine example. YOUR reply simply underlines your total
lack of interest in God, the point to which I have already alluded.
Bye bye, you're wasting my time.
And the ad hominems continue. Apparently if one does not completely
agree with what you say you can only respond with personal attack.
That is very unfortunate. I consider my answer about the book to be
perfectly legitimate in response to the question of what would
convince me. The only response you offer are insults. Can you defend
your position without assuming that your opponent is evil and without
posting personal insults? So far I have seen no reason to believe
that you have such a capacity.
I gave you an honest answer to your pretentious question. God doesn't
do parlor tricks. And we have the Bible and prophesy as all the proof
we need that it is true and real, to say nothing of the HUNDREDS of
MILLIONS of transformed lives over the several thousand years.
You are simply annoyed that I don't jump on your string.
Your question is of the ilk of "how many angels can dance on the head
of a pin?" or "Can god build a rock so huge he can't lift it?"
NONE are sincere.
Did god tell you that? Ask him about the book.
John W
One more time: If you can name the book lying next to my computer, I
will sincerely feel compelled to seriously consider your claims
concerning Christianity and make further inquiries. You talked about
regularly seeing miracles, so naming a book should be a very simple
matter. Obviously I do not believe you can do it, but that does not
mean the challenge is not sincere or legitimate. My own opinion is
that your anger is an attempt at hiding your utter lack of ability to
back up anything you say. My challenge is for you to prove me wrong.
I am not angry. and for your "challenge" to mean anything, I must
accept it. I don't. I don't dictate to God; nor do you.
I am not surprised that you cannot back up your claims or that you
continue to post insults instead of admitting your failure.
As for your opinion of me, I cried all night when I learned that you
don't like me.
Did god tell you? Ask him about the book.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "raven1" |
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11 Oct 2003 11:59:26 AM |
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On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
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| User: "Figinn" |
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11 Oct 2003 12:58:15 PM |
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"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
Figinn
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Oct 2003 01:05:23 PM |
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Figinn wrote:
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Figinn" |
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11 Oct 2003 01:11:32 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voghib2v2brm06@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of
fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is
no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
Perhaps the motivations of that deity differ from what you think they
*should* be.
Throwing out the idea of eternal damnation or reward (I personally don't
believe in the traditional Heaven-Hell stuff) ... why should God be expected
to serve up everything on a silver platter for you?
Maybe God doesn't really give a warm lump of ***** if you believe. Maybe God
does. Not for me to say.
Figinn
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Oct 2003 01:21:28 PM |
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Figinn wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voghib2v2brm06@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of
fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is
no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
Perhaps the motivations of that deity differ from what you think they
*should* be.
Maybe that's his problem.
Throwing out the idea of eternal damnation or reward (I personally don't
believe in the traditional Heaven-Hell stuff) ... why should God be expected
to serve up everything on a silver platter for you?
Why should I worship him if he won't even serve up evidence that he exists?
Maybe God doesn't really give a warm lump of ***** if you believe. Maybe God
does. Not for me to say.
So much for infinite love and/or benevolence.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Figinn" |
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11 Oct 2003 01:40:33 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vogigk8v5mm210@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voghib2v2brm06@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of
fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there
is
no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
Perhaps the motivations of that deity differ from what you think they
*should* be.
Maybe that's his problem.
Maybe so.
Throwing out the idea of eternal damnation or reward (I personally don't
believe in the traditional Heaven-Hell stuff) ... why should God be
expected
to serve up everything on a silver platter for you?
Why should I worship him if he won't even serve up evidence that he
exists?
I never asked you to.
Maybe God doesn't really give a warm lump of ***** if you believe. Maybe
God
does. Not for me to say.
So much for infinite love and/or benevolence.
I never said anything about that either.
Figinn
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Oct 2003 02:40:50 PM |
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Figinn wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vogigk8v5mm210@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voghib2v2brm06@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of
fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there
is
no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
Perhaps the motivations of that deity differ from what you think they
*should* be.
Maybe that's his problem.
Maybe so.
Throwing out the idea of eternal damnation or reward (I personally don't
believe in the traditional Heaven-Hell stuff) ... why should God be
expected
to serve up everything on a silver platter for you?
Why should I worship him if he won't even serve up evidence that he
exists?
I never asked you to.
I didn't say you did. Why don't you feel like answering?
Maybe God doesn't really give a warm lump of ***** if you believe. Maybe
God
does. Not for me to say.
So much for infinite love and/or benevolence.
I never said anything about that either.
If you don't want to talk about it, why did you bother replying at all?
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Figinn" |
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11 Oct 2003 06:10:46 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vogn5a3bqic345@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vogigk8v5mm210@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voghib2v2brm06@news.supernews.com...
Figinn wrote:
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of
fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there
is
no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
Perhaps the motivations of that deity differ from what you think they
*should* be.
Maybe that's his problem.
Maybe so.
Throwing out the idea of eternal damnation or reward (I personally
don't
believe in the traditional Heaven-Hell stuff) ... why should God be
expected
to serve up everything on a silver platter for you?
Why should I worship him if he won't even serve up evidence that he
exists?
I never asked you to.
I didn't say you did. Why don't you feel like answering?
Maybe God doesn't really give a warm lump of ***** if you believe.
Maybe
God
does. Not for me to say.
So much for infinite love and/or benevolence.
I never said anything about that either.
If you don't want to talk about it, why did you bother replying at all?
It's not that I don't want to talk about it.
Your comments referred to the intentions and/or will of God. I have no
definitive answer for you as I am not God. If you believed, we would have a
common frame of reference to discuss further. As you do not appear to be a
believer, most comments I could make would appear to be preaching. I do not
wish to preach to you.
Figinn
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| User: "John" |
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11 Oct 2003 05:25:36 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Figinn wrote:
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.
There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?
God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!
John W
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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11 Oct 2003 11:03:42 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 22:25:36 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Figinn wrote:
[snip]
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.
Show them and that they are miracles and that miracles are
possible.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "John W" |
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12 Oct 2003 10:16:27 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:03:42 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 22:25:36 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Figinn wrote:
[snip]
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.
Show them and that they are miracles and that miracles are
possible.
W H Y ?? You aren't interested, so ANY effort on MY part is wasted.
John W
Don
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"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 12:58:44 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 12 Oct 2003 15:16:27 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:03:42 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 22:25:36 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Figinn wrote:
[snip]
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.
Show them and that they are miracles and that miracles are
possible.
W H Y ??
Because you claimed that they happened. Now do it.
You aren't interested, so ANY effort on MY part is wasted.
Ah. The coward's cop-out.
You are a singlularly fantastic failure.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 05:05:43 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:58:44 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 12 Oct 2003 15:16:27 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:03:42 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 22:25:36 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Figinn wrote:
[snip]
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he wants us to believe.
There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.
Show them and that they are miracles and that miracles are
possible.
W H Y ??
Because you claimed that they happened. Now do it.
You didn't answer why I "must do it because you said so", Daddy! And
since you don't demonstrate ANY interest, why waste my time?
So far, YOU'RE the one wasting his time, and I'm gonna keep it that
way.
John W
You aren't interested, so ANY effort on MY part is wasted.
Ah. The coward's cop-out.
That comment ALONE will GUARANTEE you that I will not answer. Insult
me, then ask me a question. How bright is THAT?
You are a singlularly fantastic failure.
Thanks SO much for that compliment! I know it was sincere! ;-))
Likewise, I'm SURE !
John W
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 06:39:15 AM |
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In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 10:05:43 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:58:44 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 12 Oct 2003 15:16:27 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
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