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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Therion Ware"
Date:	10 Oct 2003 12:07:11 PM
Object:	Serious Question. Honest.

Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
--
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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User: "Gregory A Greenman"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	11 Oct 2003 07:28:41 PM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan
john@thecodezone.com said...

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

He has made the bush fruitful by His word.
They have brought forth juniper berries!
Greg the Reprobate
Missionary of Death
-------------------
greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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User: "John"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	11 Oct 2003 08:46:30 PM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

I am not a liar; however YOU are a documented wuss.
By bye.
John W

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com

User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	11 Oct 2003 10:09:07 PM

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

I am not a liar;

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "Daniel Kolle"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	12 Oct 2003 04:44:58 PM

John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> thought hard and said:

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

Got some Google links, John?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
.

User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	12 Oct 2003 04:54:07 PM

Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> thought hard and said:

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

Got some Google links, John?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=gelmfvckikgq33423j5fru8h59iajqnn76%404ax.com
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "Doug Semler"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	12 Oct 2003 07:02:02 PM

In news:hajjovsqbs27639g9mt0jstf49o104tk9j@4ax.com,
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> slavered, and posted this:

Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> thought hard and said:

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

Got some Google links, John?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=gelmfvckikgq33423j5fru8h59iajqnn76%404ax.com
The only question I have...is there a way to show that
john_weatherly47@yahoo.com (the John W posting to this group) and
john_weatherly47@hotmail.com (the John Weatherly who posted the above
are the same person?
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
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User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	12 Oct 2003 07:21:22 PM

"Doug Semler" <doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:

In news:hajjovsqbs27639g9mt0jstf49o104tk9j@4ax.com,
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> slavered, and posted this:

Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> thought hard and said:

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

Got some Google links, John?

He appears to freely admit that, stating that the posts in question are
"my posts".
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "John W"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 05:02:28 AM

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:21:22 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

"Doug Semler" <doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:

In news:hajjovsqbs27639g9mt0jstf49o104tk9j@4ax.com,
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> slavered, and posted this:

Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> thought hard and said:

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

Got some Google links, John?

He appears to freely admit that, stating that the posts in question are
"my posts".

LIAR! I admitted to SOME posts that I found. I didn't admit to any I
found that were not mine. And you need not know which were which. THAT
is none of your business. However, I'd say roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of those
I saw were NOT mine.
Several people are going to a lot of trouble to make me look bad.
That's fine.
John W

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com

User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 08:27:00 AM

John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:21:22 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

"Doug Semler" <doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:

In news:hajjovsqbs27639g9mt0jstf49o104tk9j@4ax.com,
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> slavered, and posted this:

Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> thought hard and said:

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

Got some Google links, John?

He appears to freely admit that, stating that the posts in question are
"my posts".

LIAR! I admitted to SOME posts that I found. I didn't admit to any I
found that were not mine. And you need not know which were which. THAT
is none of your business.

And your filthy, DELIBERATELY VERY OFFENSIVE remarks above guarantee
no further communication.
-- You, a few minutes ago
Boy, you certainly use a lot of words for that no communication of
yours.

However, I'd say roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of those I saw were NOT mine.

So you admit to having written 3/4 to 2/3 of the incest posts. I guess
that's a start.

Several people are going to a lot of trouble to make me look bad.
That's fine.

You've already been added to my "empty lawsuit threat list". You don't
need to improve your case.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "John W"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	12 Oct 2003 10:15:25 AM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:09:07 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

I am not a liar;

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

You seem REALLY hung up on incest porn. Sad. And I think this note
will conclude my responses to you. I have not lied. And you are a
known provocateur.
John W

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com

User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	12 Oct 2003 10:27:58 AM

John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:09:07 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

I am not a liar;

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

You seem REALLY hung up on incest porn. Sad. And I think this note
will conclude my responses to you.

Jesus Fucking Christ Eatin' Hot-Pockets, this fuckwit is having another
friggin' hand-to-forehead victimgasm while plonking me again.

I have not lied.

Then explain how Gator can be used to harvest passwords.
You *are* a liar, Weatherlincest. You lied about the incest posts. You
lied about the number of them and when they were posted. You changed
your story repeatedly whenever we showed that your story didn't hold
water. You lied about suing me. You lied about putting me in prison. You
lied about copyright laws. You lied about your posting history.
You, John Weatherly, are a liar.

And you are a known provocateur.

Umm, I don't think that word means what you think it does.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "John W"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 04:57:12 AM

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com

User: "Thomas P."
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 12:06:40 PM

On 13 Oct 2003 09:57:12 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests
#2 homosexual marriage
#3 Christian charities closing

Were those miracles?

One from 20 years ago. The Gulf War. The sun being blacked out. In
that case, the sun was dark for over two months as I recall.

That would be pure delusion.

Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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User: "John W"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 04:55:37 AM

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:27:58 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:09:07 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

I am not a liar;

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

You seem REALLY hung up on incest porn. Sad. And I think this note
will conclude my responses to you.

Jesus Fucking Christ Eatin' Hot-Pockets, this fuckwit is having another
friggin' hand-to-forehead victimgasm while plonking me again.

And your filthy, DELIBERATELY VERY OFFENSIVE remarks above guarantee
no further communication.
John W

I have not lied.

Then explain how Gator can be used to harvest passwords.

Too late. One insult too many, space cookie. Explain how you dump all
your venom for the month on me and then expect me to be smiley and
cooperative.
You turd.

You *are* a liar, Weatherlincest. You lied about the incest posts. You
lied about the number of them and when they were posted. You changed
your story repeatedly whenever we showed that your story didn't hold
water. You lied about suing me. You lied about putting me in prison.

I didn't lie. I have tried. No luck thus far.
You

lied about copyright laws.

You are misinformed.
You lied about your posting history.

You, John Weatherly, are a liar.

You understand the initials F...
never mind. it would be over your pin head.
G o o d b y e.
John W

And you are a known provocateur.

Umm, I don't think that word means what you think it does.

You are a known *****! I bet you know what THAT means.

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com

User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 08:38:19 AM

John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:27:58 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:09:07 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

I am not a liar;

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

You seem REALLY hung up on incest porn. Sad. And I think this note
will conclude my responses to you.

Jesus Fucking Christ Eatin' Hot-Pockets, this fuckwit is having another
friggin' hand-to-forehead victimgasm while plonking me again.

And your filthy, DELIBERATELY VERY OFFENSIVE remarks above guarantee
no further communication.

1. It's documented in the Bible that Jesus enjoyed fucking while eating
Hot Pockets.
2. It's quite clear that you've got the self-control of Dom DeLouise in
a donut factory, so I'm guaranteed to get more communication from you.

John W

I have not lied.

Then explain how Gator can be used to harvest passwords.

Too late. One insult too many, space cookie.

Translation: You can't, because you were lying.

Explain how you dump all
your venom for the month on me and then expect me to be smiley and
cooperative.

Because you're funny.

You turd.

Now there's a mark of a professional writer. Any ordinary person
would've gone for the obvious "poo poo head", but you have a vast store
of superior wordage at your disposal. Bravo!

I didn't lie. I have tried. No luck thus far.

You

lied about copyright laws.

You are misinformed.

You lied about your posting history.

You, John Weatherly, are a liar.

You understand the initials F...

Sorry, but I don't own a Ford.

never mind. it would be over your pin head.

G o o d b y e.

Oh look, I've been plonked by Weatherlincest AGAIN!

John W

And you are a known provocateur.

Umm, I don't think that word means what you think it does.

You are a known *****! I bet you know what THAT means.

Boy, your insults certainly are erudite. You must be a professional
writer or something :)
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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User: "John"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 07:28:41 PM

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests
#2 homosexual marriage
#3 Christian charities closing
One from 20 years ago. The Gulf War. The sun being blacked out. In
that case, the sun was dark for over two months as I recall.
Sorry, a typo. S/B
One from 10 years ago. The Gulf War. The sun being blacked out. In
that case, the sun was dark for over two months as I recall.
John W

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

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User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 09:05:00 PM

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

Interesting that you just chose to go with a third-party newsgroup
service that doesn't keep logs of the stuff you read.
http://www.uncensored-news.com/benefits.html
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "Jos Flachs"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	12 Oct 2003 09:56:43 PM

On 12 Oct 2003 15:15:25 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Yes you are. Apart from your numerous threats of suing and/or
imprisoning me which never happened, there's your claim that you never
wrote the incest posts even after it was proven that you did.

You seem REALLY hung up on incest porn. Sad. And I think this note
will conclude my responses to you. I have not lied. And you are a
known provocateur.

Let me see: this is the second time in two days you utter that lie.
We are not hung up on incest porn, it simply is your bad past (?)
haunting you. Something like a priest, or a bap-pissed minister
trolling for young boys on the Net. And denying that he does.
.

User: "Jos Flachs"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	12 Oct 2003 03:57:29 AM

On 12 Oct 2003 01:46:30 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

I am not a liar; however YOU are a documented wuss.

By bye.

You forget to add 'plonk'

John W

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com

User: "John W"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 04:51:01 AM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

There are still miracles happening; however, in your current state of
dis-belief, you will hardly go to a church to witness one, will you?

I've been to plenty of churches. Even ones where miracles allegedly
happened. Never saw anything even remotely miraculous.

God HAS revealed himself to many. I've seen Him more times than I've
seen YOU!!

You're also a documented liar.

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com

User: "Kenny Leong"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 08:36:47 AM

John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bs3fov4pb7g3hefvfbm5fmf8oitgvo8fpv@4ax.com>...

On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700,

(Kenny Leong)
wrote:

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...

Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!

We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".

There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...

EVIDENCE.

So far, there has been none whatsoever.

Kenny L.

And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.

You're wrong above on both counts ... unfortunately :)

There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away. Why? Not because it's not true. You shove it aside because you
simply aren't interested.

Unrealistic events contained in a book is not evidence. Again, you're
wrong about shoving things aside. You made that up, which is what
christians are known to do.

There are none so blind as you who choose to not see.

Again, you're wrong, and you made this up.

"You don't break God's laws; they break you."

Try to break out of this stranglehold then ... if your god is a
all-knowing, perfect planner and perfect designer, then obviously this
god planned and designed every single one of your mechanical actions
with PERFECT knowledge BEFORE you were even created PHYSICALLY. This
means that you cannot have any free-will to do things for yourself
since your actions are actually god's own actions...as they were
planned and designed before you were even physically created...step by
step..move by move..every single one of your actions.

Charlie Shedd

John W

You want to argue against this 'evidence' contained in your bible?
Kenny L.
.

User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 08:23:51 AM

John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:39:24 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0400, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Figinn wrote:

"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...

On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?

Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.

If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)

If he wants us to believe.

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests
#2 homosexual marriage
#3 Christian charities closing

Somehow I'm not surprised that you would consider pedophile priests to
be a miracle.

One from 20 years ago. The Gulf War. The sun being blacked out. In
that case, the sun was dark for over two months as I recall.

Hoo boy.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "Jos Flachs"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	13 Oct 2003 10:28:45 PM

On 13 Oct 2003 09:51:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests

That is a miracle??? Seems more like a serious crime.

#2 homosexual marriage

That is sensible, not a miracle.

#3 Christian charities closing

That is inevitable (see your #1 & 2), not a miracle.

One from 20 years ago. The Gulf War. The sun being blacked out. In
that case, the sun was dark for over two months as I recall.

Sjonny, are you THAT desperate for miracles? The sun was obsured by
smoke, in some parts of the world. Nothing remotely miraculous. Try
again.
On seconds thoughts: no, better not. Just wire me the $25.000 you owe
me now.
.

User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	14 Oct 2003 09:08:56 AM

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 09:51:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests

That is a miracle??? Seems more like a serious crime.

#2 homosexual marriage

That is sensible, not a miracle.

#3 Christian charities closing

That is inevitable (see your #1 & 2), not a miracle.

I wonder if Weatherlincest is gonna return and explain how on earth any
of this could be considered miraculous.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	14 Oct 2003 09:35:37 AM

In article <qq0oov012mt0mhcpkhsdr0pidvq6veuj2m@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 09:51:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests

That is a miracle??? Seems more like a serious crime.

#2 homosexual marriage

That is sensible, not a miracle.

#3 Christian charities closing

That is inevitable (see your #1 & 2), not a miracle.

I wonder if Weatherlincest is gonna return and explain how on earth any
of this could be considered miraculous.

He'll probably just claim it was a "typo" ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.

User: "John Hattan"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	14 Oct 2003 09:47:02 AM

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <qq0oov012mt0mhcpkhsdr0pidvq6veuj2m@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 09:51:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests

That is a miracle??? Seems more like a serious crime.

#2 homosexual marriage

That is sensible, not a miracle.

#3 Christian charities closing

That is inevitable (see your #1 & 2), not a miracle.

I wonder if Weatherlincest is gonna return and explain how on earth any
of this could be considered miraculous.

He'll probably just claim it was a "typo" ;)

I think he'll start claiming that somebody sneaked into his house to
post it.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	14 Oct 2003 10:14:10 AM

In article <c23oov0ajf00s8qhkn207s7eut91mi0bid@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <qq0oov012mt0mhcpkhsdr0pidvq6veuj2m@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 09:51:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests

That is a miracle??? Seems more like a serious crime.

#2 homosexual marriage

That is sensible, not a miracle.

#3 Christian charities closing

That is inevitable (see your #1 & 2), not a miracle.

I wonder if Weatherlincest is gonna return and explain how on earth any
of this could be considered miraculous.

He'll probably just claim it was a "typo" ;)

I think he'll start claiming that somebody sneaked into his house to
post it.

Alternatively, he could claim that it was the work of demons ;D
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.

User: "Jos Flachs"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	15 Oct 2003 01:44:16 AM

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:14:10 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <c23oov0ajf00s8qhkn207s7eut91mi0bid@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <qq0oov012mt0mhcpkhsdr0pidvq6veuj2m@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 09:51:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests

That is a miracle??? Seems more like a serious crime.

#2 homosexual marriage

That is sensible, not a miracle.

#3 Christian charities closing

That is inevitable (see your #1 & 2), not a miracle.

I wonder if Weatherlincest is gonna return and explain how on earth any
of this could be considered miraculous.

He'll probably just claim it was a "typo" ;)

I think he'll start claiming that somebody sneaked into his house to
post it.

Alternatively, he could claim that it was the work of demons ;D

Get the word right! It is spelled D-A-E-M-O-N. ;-)
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	15 Oct 2003 07:39:17 AM

In article <iq9povgdr1c9utubndshp3esjoe0ne175c@4ax.com>, Jos Flachs says...

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:14:10 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <c23oov0ajf00s8qhkn207s7eut91mi0bid@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <qq0oov012mt0mhcpkhsdr0pidvq6veuj2m@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 09:51:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests

That is a miracle??? Seems more like a serious crime.

#2 homosexual marriage

That is sensible, not a miracle.

#3 Christian charities closing

That is inevitable (see your #1 & 2), not a miracle.

I wonder if Weatherlincest is gonna return and explain how on earth any
of this could be considered miraculous.

He'll probably just claim it was a "typo" ;)

I think he'll start claiming that somebody sneaked into his house to
post it.

Alternatively, he could claim that it was the work of demons ;D

Get the word right! It is spelled D-A-E-M-O-N. ;-)

Pppssssstttbbbbbbbhhhhhhh!!! ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest.	15 Oct 2003 11:51:39 AM

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:44:16 +0700, Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com>,
Message ID: <iq9povgdr1c9utubndshp3esjoe0ne175c@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:14:10 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <c23oov0ajf00s8qhkn207s7eut91mi0bid@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <qq0oov012mt0mhcpkhsdr0pidvq6veuj2m@4ax.com>, John Hattan says...

Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 09:51:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There have been plenty of miracles to observe these past 2000 years.

For example? Gimme one from the last ten years.

#1 homosexual/pedophile priests