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"Therion Ware" |
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10 Oct 2003 12:07:11 PM |
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Serious Question. Honest. |
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 05:12:35 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:06:15 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:48:23 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. Frances Shaffer said, "He IS There and He is NOT Silent!"
If you find Him silent and invisible, you have your ears plugged and
your eyes squinted tightly shut.
That is a barefaced personal lie.
Well, I see YOUR attitude is one of friendliness and openness to other
POVs.
NOT.
John W
Do you honestly imagine that lying about the person you are t alking
to, is somehow going to convince them that anything else you say id
going to be true?
Even the evidence in the Bible is astounding. The prophesies are 2nd
to none in ancient religions.
*****. You're saying that the bible is true because it sez so.
Because it is the only source for most of the stuff you reckon it
"proves".
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 03:57:33 AM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 01:48:23 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. Frances Shaffer said, "He IS There and He is NOT Silent!"
Doctor Who? (Argument upon authority.)
If you find Him silent and invisible, you have your ears plugged and
your eyes squinted tightly shut.
We can't be all suffering from the same hallucinations, John. If your
gods showed up to sane people (kindly do not include yourself here)
and a bit more convincing that showing their faces on a rotting pizza,
there would be any atheists.
Even the evidence in the Bible is astounding. The prophesies are 2nd
to none in ancient religions.
Really.....? Would asking to back up that idiotic statement too much
for you? I guessed as much.
I've seen quite a lot of books about Tarot, rune readings, ichi and a
whole shitload and a half more of superstitious believes. Including
your bible. Your bible is nothing but a piece of BAD literature
outliving its usefulness. Try reading the Ramakien, if you can manage
that. A lot more entertaining, and really a lot better in literary
quality.
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 10:27:00 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:57:33 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:48:23 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. Frances Shaffer said, "He IS There and He is NOT Silent!"
Doctor Who? (Argument upon authority.)
If you find Him silent and invisible, you have your ears plugged and
your eyes squinted tightly shut.
We can't be all suffering from the same hallucinations, John. If your
gods showed up to sane people
You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!
John W
(kindly do not include yourself here)
and a bit more convincing that showing their faces on a rotting pizza,
there would be any atheists.
Even the evidence in the Bible is astounding. The prophesies are 2nd
to none in ancient religions.
Really.....? Would asking to back up that idiotic statement too much
for you? I guessed as much.
I've seen quite a lot of books about Tarot, rune readings, ichi and a
whole shitload and a half more of superstitious believes. Including
your bible. Your bible is nothing but a piece of BAD literature
outliving its usefulness. Try reading the Ramakien, if you can manage
that. A lot more entertaining, and really a lot better in literary
quality.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 09:56:50 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 15:27:00 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:57:33 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 01:48:23 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. Frances Shaffer said, "He IS There and He is NOT Silent!"
Doctor Who? (Argument upon authority.)
If you find Him silent and invisible, you have your ears plugged and
your eyes squinted tightly shut.
We can't be all suffering from the same hallucinations, John. If your
gods showed up to sane people
You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
Why not? That is the only way you respond anyway. You posted something
like 50 messages with bull *****. Not one reasonable answer.
YOU are insane!
Said by the man who claimed to have felt the hand of god (in the xxx
theatre giving free handjobs, no doubt).
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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12 Oct 2003 04:05:37 AM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 01:48:23 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:17:59 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:58:15 -0400, "Figinn" <nospam@verizon.net>
wrote:
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:6kdgovcum0ir1eqlcnn0gc8pj1omv3kirv@4ax.com...
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
If that omniscient deity chose to answer ;)
If he chooses to remain silent and invisible, he really should not be
upset that people doubt his existence.
Dr. Frances Shaffer said, "He IS There and He is NOT Silent!"
Am I supposedto be impressed by what Dr. Shaffer said?
If you find Him silent and invisible, you have your ears plugged and
your eyes squinted tightly shut.
If you know that, you can read my mind. In that case you should be
able to tell me the name of my book. Otherwise you are just babbling.
Even the evidence in the Bible is astounding. The prophesies are 2nd
to none in ancient religions.
Talk about ignoring reality! You are an insulting, not very bright
lunatic.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "John" |
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11 Oct 2003 05:23:43 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:59:26 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He? You
want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
Get serious.
John W
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
11 Oct 2003 06:37:23 PM |
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John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:59:26 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He?
To help Raven believe, of course.
Now then, why did you ask what evidence he would accept knowing that you
would only be able to provide excuses if/when he did so?
You want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
You're much funnier than any god.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "John" |
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11 Oct 2003 08:50:39 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:37:23 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:59:26 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He?
To help Raven believe, of course.
Now then, why did you ask what evidence he would accept knowing that you
would only be able to provide excuses if/when he did so?
You want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
You're much funnier than any god.
Ah! John! You finally did it! You paid me a compliment that I can
SINCERELY return!
Only in your case the phony is "sad/ironic" funny.
John W
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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11 Oct 2003 10:11:12 PM |
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John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:37:23 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
You're much funnier than any god.
Ah! John! You finally did it! You paid me a compliment that I can
SINCERELY return!
I tried reading your comments for a week or thereabouts; you never
have anything to say, just ad hominem attack. So I have gone back to
not bothering with you.
-- you, five minutes ago
I am not a liar;
-- you, five minutes before that
Dang, catching you in a lie is like proving that zebras have stripes.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "John" |
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11 Oct 2003 08:49:25 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:37:23 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
I tried reading your comments for a week or thereabouts; you never
have anything to say, just ad hominem attack. So I have gone back to
not bothering with you.
John W
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:59:26 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He?
To help Raven believe, of course.
Now then, why did you ask what evidence he would accept knowing that you
would only be able to provide excuses if/when he did so?
You want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
You're much funnier than any god.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "raven1" |
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11 Oct 2003 10:25:37 PM |
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On 11 Oct 2003 22:23:43 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:59:26 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He?
Does he want me to believe in him or not? You asked a straightforward
question, and I answered it straightforwardly. If you can tell me the
serial number on my cordless phone, I will accept that this is
evidence of the supernatural power of your deity answering your prayer
for it to be revealed, and publicly proclaim my conversion.
You
want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
No. I want some kind of FACT to demonstrate that your purported God
exists.
You asked if you could reveal any fact that would cause Therion to
believe in God and in his son. I gave you an example of a fact that
would work for me. From your own Gospel according to Mark:
11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
Get serious.
I am *completely* serious. Do you have faith in your own Bible? Jesus
makes a specific and simple promise to his followers above that is
easily testable, and I have stated with all sincerity that if you
demonstrate the accuracy of that promise, I will accept Christianity
as true. I await your response.
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 10:32:53 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 22:23:43 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:59:26 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He?
Does he want me to believe in him or not? You asked a straightforward
question, and I answered it straightforwardly. If you can tell me the
serial number on my cordless phone, I will accept that this is
evidence of the supernatural power of your deity answering your prayer
for it to be revealed, and publicly proclaim my conversion.
You
want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
No. I want some kind of FACT to demonstrate that your purported God
exists.
You asked if you could reveal any fact that would cause Therion to
believe in God and in his son. I gave you an example of a fact that
would work for me. From your own Gospel according to Mark:
11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God. I don't
play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
You have been given as much information as we all have, and there are
miracles waiting to be observed, fulfilled prophesies waiting to be
counted.
You smart ***** only yourself.
John W
Get serious.
I am *completely* serious. Do you have faith in your own Bible? Jesus
makes a specific and simple promise to his followers above that is
easily testable, and I have stated with all sincerity that if you
demonstrate the accuracy of that promise, I will accept Christianity
as true. I await your response.
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 03:07:14 PM |
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In news:4ssiov0o8gjhuoagu4rqboglinkp6htl8m@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God. I don't
play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Jesus supposedly turned water into wine so the partygoers at the wedding
could continue to get drunk.
Not only trivial, but against the rules by which you live (since you seem to
be Baptist).
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
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| User: "Jim Burns" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 04:58:55 PM |
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Doug Semler wrote:
In news:4ssiov0o8gjhuoagu4rqboglinkp6htl8m@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to
your God to reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God.
I don't play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible
where Jesus was given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Jesus supposedly turned water into wine so the partygoers at
the wedding could continue to get drunk.
Not only trivial, but against the rules by which you live (since
you seem to be Baptist).
Jesus cursed a fig tree to death for not bearing figs out of
season. Trivial enough?
He specifically waited two days before leaving when he
was told that Lazarus, "the one he loves," was ill.
Upon arriving and being told Lazarus was dead, he said
it was a good thing he hadn't been there, so that his disciples
would believe. (John 11)
I suppose, technically, that wasn't trivial, to Lazarus
anyway. I would, however, expect an actual Prince of Peace
to "sink" to a trival display before he sunk to pulling such a
low-down, rotten _prank_ on someone he loved.
So, what does this mean? Apparently, letting someone he loves
suffer and die (even temporarily) is not too much to ask for as
proof of his power, but reporting a serial number from a cell
phone is too much.
Jim Burns
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13 Oct 2003 05:21:15 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:58:55 -0400, Jim Burns <burns.87@osu.edu>
wrote:
Doug Semler wrote:
In news:4ssiov0o8gjhuoagu4rqboglinkp6htl8m@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to
your God to reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God.
I don't play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible
where Jesus was given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Jesus supposedly turned water into wine so the partygoers at
the wedding could continue to get drunk.
Not only trivial, but against the rules by which you live (since
you seem to be Baptist).
Jesus cursed a fig tree to death for not bearing figs out of
season. Trivial enough?
He specifically waited two days before leaving when he
was told that Lazarus, "the one he loves," was ill.
Upon arriving and being told Lazarus was dead, he said
it was a good thing he hadn't been there, so that his disciples
would believe. (John 11)
I suppose, technically, that wasn't trivial, to Lazarus
anyway. I would, however, expect an actual Prince of Peace
to "sink" to a trival display before he sunk to pulling such a
low-down, rotten _prank_ on someone he loved.
So, what does this mean? Apparently, letting someone he loves
suffer and die (even temporarily) is not too much to ask for as
proof of his power, but reporting a serial number from a cell
phone is too much.
Jim Burns
And since you seem QUITE content with your trivial little answer, I
won't bore you with another.
John W
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13 Oct 2003 08:21:14 PM |
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John W wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:58:55 -0400, Jim Burns <burns.87@osu.edu>
wrote:
Doug Semler wrote:
In news:4ssiov0o8gjhuoagu4rqboglinkp6htl8m@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to
your God to reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God.
I don't play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible
where Jesus was given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Jesus supposedly turned water into wine so the partygoers at
the wedding could continue to get drunk.
Not only trivial, but against the rules by which you live
(since you seem to be Baptist).
Jesus cursed a fig tree to death for not bearing figs out of
season. Trivial enough?
He specifically waited two days before leaving when he
was told that Lazarus, "the one he loves," was ill.
Upon arriving and being told Lazarus was dead, he said
it was a good thing he hadn't been there, so that his disciples
would believe. (John 11)
I suppose, technically, that wasn't trivial, to Lazarus
anyway. I would, however, expect an actual Prince of Peace
to "sink" to a trival display before he sunk to pulling such a
low-down, rotten _prank_ on someone he loved.
So, what does this mean? Apparently, letting someone he loves
suffer and die (even temporarily) is not too much to ask for as
proof of his power, but reporting a serial number from a cell
phone is too much.
And since you seem QUITE content with your trivial little answer,
I won't bore you with another.
Wow, lucky for you that you had a reason not to answer me, huh?
Funny how often that happens to you.
Of course, your "reason" doesn't make any sense, since it
was YOU that asked (above):
Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible
where Jesus was given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Now you've got me curious: what reason are you going to
find not to answer _this_ post?
Jim Burns
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13 Oct 2003 05:19:52 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:07:14 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
In news:4ssiov0o8gjhuoagu4rqboglinkp6htl8m@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God. I don't
play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Jesus supposedly turned water into wine so the partygoers at the wedding
could continue to get drunk.
Not only trivial, but against the rules by which you live (since you seem to
be Baptist).
I am not Baptist. And it's a unique Baptist misinterpretation of the
Bible that alcohol is forbidden. I have an ex-father in law who is a
pastor of that persuasion.
And since you trivialize a miracle (I don't know why; YOU can't
duplicate it), we are done.
John W
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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13 Oct 2003 10:48:58 AM |
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In news:puukovo2u9bg83i4h0md48rr2vl4e44nhi@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:07:14 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
In news:4ssiov0o8gjhuoagu4rqboglinkp6htl8m@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God. I don't
play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Jesus supposedly turned water into wine so the partygoers at the wedding
could continue to get drunk.
Not only trivial, but against the rules by which you live (since you
seem to be Baptist).
I am not Baptist. And it's a unique Baptist misinterpretation of the
Bible that alcohol is forbidden. I have an ex-father in law who is a
pastor of that persuasion.
I presumed you are Baptist from the fact that you have stated that you post
in a Baptist newsgroup, and by your other posts.
And since you trivialize a miracle (I don't know why; YOU can't
duplicate it), we are done.
Puh-leeeze. It's a simple magician misdirection trick. Especially easy to
do with 12 accomplices.
You've never seen a *good* close-up magician work, have you?
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
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13 Oct 2003 07:41:04 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:48:58 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
In news:puukovo2u9bg83i4h0md48rr2vl4e44nhi@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:07:14 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
In news:4ssiov0o8gjhuoagu4rqboglinkp6htl8m@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God. I don't
play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Jesus supposedly turned water into wine so the partygoers at the wedding
could continue to get drunk.
Not only trivial, but against the rules by which you live (since you
seem to be Baptist).
I am not Baptist. And it's a unique Baptist misinterpretation of the
Bible that alcohol is forbidden. I have an ex-father in law who is a
pastor of that persuasion.
I presumed you are Baptist from the fact that you have stated that you post
in a Baptist newsgroup, and by your other posts.
And since you trivialize a miracle (I don't know why; YOU can't
duplicate it), we are done.
Puh-leeeze. It's a simple magician misdirection trick. Especially easy to
do with 12 accomplices.
You've never seen a *good* close-up magician work, have you?
Remind me again why you are talking to yourself.
John W
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14 Oct 2003 08:20:13 AM |
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In news:efhmov0ocug04ajuajjeij5cci8r1outg3@4ax.com,
John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:48:58 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
In news:puukovo2u9bg83i4h0md48rr2vl4e44nhi@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:07:14 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
In news:4ssiov0o8gjhuoagu4rqboglinkp6htl8m@4ax.com,
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God
to reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God. I don't
play. Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Jesus supposedly turned water into wine so the partygoers at the
wedding could continue to get drunk.
Not only trivial, but against the rules by which you live (since you
seem to be Baptist).
I am not Baptist. And it's a unique Baptist misinterpretation of the
Bible that alcohol is forbidden. I have an ex-father in law who is a
pastor of that persuasion.
I presumed you are Baptist from the fact that you have stated that you
post in a Baptist newsgroup, and by your other posts.
And since you trivialize a miracle (I don't know why; YOU can't
duplicate it), we are done.
Puh-leeeze. It's a simple magician misdirection trick. Especially easy
to do with 12 accomplices.
You've never seen a *good* close-up magician work, have you?
Remind me again why you are talking to yourself.
John W
Obviously you read, because you responded. You're not very good with
killfiles are you?
--
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http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
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13 Oct 2003 10:28:51 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2003 10:19:52 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I am not Baptist. And it's a unique Baptist misinterpretation of the
Bible that alcohol is forbidden.
Talk to the Jehova's and the Mormons, bub.
I have an ex-father in law who is a pastor of that persuasion.
And since you trivialize a miracle (I don't know why; YOU can't
duplicate it), we are done.
Again? How many times now?
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12 Oct 2003 01:18:20 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 15:32:53 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 22:23:43 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:59:26 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He?
Does he want me to believe in him or not? You asked a straightforward
question, and I answered it straightforwardly. If you can tell me the
serial number on my cordless phone, I will accept that this is
evidence of the supernatural power of your deity answering your prayer
for it to be revealed, and publicly proclaim my conversion.
You
want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
No. I want some kind of FACT to demonstrate that your purported God
exists.
You asked if you could reveal any fact that would cause Therion to
believe in God and in his son. I gave you an example of a fact that
would work for me. From your own Gospel according to Mark:
11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God.
Why not just cut the evasions, and admit that you know you can't do
it?
I don't
play.
You also don't show any sign that you actually believe Jesus's
explicit promise.
Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Take your pick. The wedding feast at Cana is a good start, unless you
consider changing water into wine to have some sort of deep spiritual
significance.
You have been given as much information as we all have, and there are
miracles waiting to be observed, fulfilled prophesies waiting to be
counted.
Cite one.
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13 Oct 2003 05:18:09 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:18:20 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:32:53 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 22:23:43 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:59:26 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 05:04:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:28:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 19:17:52 GMT in alt.atheism, John W (John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
Short answer: No.
Good answer in as much as it tells me all I need to know.
Congratulations. Glad I made you happy. Now turn it around. Could I
reveal ANY FACT to you, ANY FACT whatever, that would cause you to
believe in God and in His Son?
Yes: tell me the serial number of the cordless phone on my computer
desk. Surely such a trivial matter would be easy for a supposedly
omniscient deity to communicate to you.
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He?
Does he want me to believe in him or not? You asked a straightforward
question, and I answered it straightforwardly. If you can tell me the
serial number on my cordless phone, I will accept that this is
evidence of the supernatural power of your deity answering your prayer
for it to be revealed, and publicly proclaim my conversion.
You
want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
No. I want some kind of FACT to demonstrate that your purported God
exists.
You asked if you could reveal any fact that would cause Therion to
believe in God and in his son. I gave you an example of a fact that
would work for me. From your own Gospel according to Mark:
11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God.
Why not just cut the evasions, and admit that you know you can't do
it?
I have answered you; however, I have also demonstrated that I am not
your trained monkey.
I don't
play.
You also don't show any sign that you actually believe Jesus's
explicit promise.
Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Take your pick. The wedding feast at Cana is a good start, unless you
consider changing water into wine to have some sort of deep spiritual
significance.
To supply an entire wedding party (several hundred people) 200 gallons
of the finest wine was no "trivial matter." Could YOU do it?
You could not.
John W
You have been given as much information as we all have, and there are
miracles waiting to be observed, fulfilled prophesies waiting to be
counted.
Cite one.
Not that you are worthy, but only to prove that I have an answer for
you, I'll give you part of one. The end times prophesy about the sun
turning dark was fulfilled during the Gulf War and was a HUGE news
story at the time.
Find the sun turning dark/black in the Old Testament, and then in the
New Testament. It's an "end-time" prophesy, and it was fulfilled
during the Gulf War when Saddam's boys set fire to the Kuwait oil
fields.
The sun disappeared for several months, as the oil smoke was so think
it was dark as mid-night at noon.
The prophesy is there in the Bible; you've lived within the lifetime
to have seen it fulfilled.
Your turn.
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13 Oct 2003 12:39:08 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2003 10:18:09 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:18:20 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:32:53 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
You asked if you could reveal any fact that would cause Therion to
believe in God and in his son. I gave you an example of a fact that
would work for me. From your own Gospel according to Mark:
11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God.
Why not just cut the evasions, and admit that you know you can't do
it?
I have answered you;
By evading the issue.
however, I have also demonstrated that I am not
your trained monkey.
You've also demonstrated that you either don't believe Jesus's
explicit promise, or are unwilling to demonstrate that it is true.
I don't
play.
You also don't show any sign that you actually believe Jesus's
explicit promise.
Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Take your pick. The wedding feast at Cana is a good start, unless you
consider changing water into wine to have some sort of deep spiritual
significance.
To supply an entire wedding party (several hundred people) 200 gallons
of the finest wine was no "trivial matter."
It was, however, a trivial *display* along the lines of telling me the
serial number on my cordless phone.
Could YOU do it?
Could you? If not, then Jesus lied in the passages quoted above.
You could not.
John W
You have been given as much information as we all have, and there are
miracles waiting to be observed, fulfilled prophesies waiting to be
counted.
Cite one.
Not that you are worthy,
Such arrogance does not strike me as a particularly good advertisement
for Christianity, but I'll let it go for now...
but only to prove that I have an answer for
you, I'll give you part of one. The end times prophesy about the sun
turning dark was fulfilled during the Gulf War and was a HUGE news
story at the time.
The same thing happens every time a large volcano erupts, so I guess
the end times have occurred on numerous occasions, then...
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13 Oct 2003 07:39:25 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:39:08 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2003 10:18:09 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:18:20 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:32:53 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:25:37 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
You asked if you could reveal any fact that would cause Therion to
believe in God and in his son. I gave you an example of a fact that
would work for me. From your own Gospel according to Mark:
11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
It should therefore be a trivial matter for you to pray to your God to
reveal the number to you, and have it done so.
Well?
What you do is NOT show interest, but in trivializing God.
Why not just cut the evasions, and admit that you know you can't do
it?
I have answered you;
By evading the issue.
however, I have also demonstrated that I am not
your trained monkey.
You've also demonstrated that you either don't believe Jesus's
explicit promise, or are unwilling to demonstrate that it is true.
I don't
play.
You also don't show any sign that you actually believe Jesus's
explicit promise.
Now if you can find me a verse in the Bible where Jesus was
given to trivial displays,we have a deal.
Take your pick. The wedding feast at Cana is a good start, unless you
consider changing water into wine to have some sort of deep spiritual
significance.
To supply an entire wedding party (several hundred people) 200 gallons
of the finest wine was no "trivial matter."
It was, however, a trivial *display* along the lines of telling me the
serial number on my cordless phone.
Could YOU do it?
Could you? If not, then Jesus lied in the passages quoted above.
You could not.
John W
You have been given as much information as we all have, and there are
miracles waiting to be observed, fulfilled prophesies waiting to be
counted.
Cite one.
Not that you are worthy,
Such arrogance does not strike me as a particularly good advertisement
for Christianity, but I'll let it go for now...
So YOUR arrogance is fine, but MINE is not.
Got it!
John W
but only to prove that I have an answer for
you, I'll give you part of one. The end times prophesy about the sun
turning dark was fulfilled during the Gulf War and was a HUGE news
story at the time.
The same thing happens every time a large volcano erupts, so I guess
the end times have occurred on numerous occasions, then...
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AGAIN you deliberately miss/obscure the point. The "large volcanos" do
not erupt and blot out the sky for weeks over the Holy Land.
There are none so blind as you who refuse to see.
John W
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13 Oct 2003 10:38:26 PM |
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On 14 Oct 2003 00:39:25 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
So YOUR arrogance is fine, but MINE is not.
Got it!
No, the problem is that *you* don't get it.
Look over this one thread that we've been participating in.
Regardless of what you would like to believe, practically all of the
invective has been on your part, and for the most part has been
entirely unprovoked. For whatever reason, you seem to be so threatened
by any questioning of your own religious beliefs that you feel the
need to respond with insults rather than dialogue.
At least that's my take on the matter. You may now feel free to insult
me in response, or you can prove me wrong and respond civilly.
Incidentally, since I missed the particular post (out of close to 500
in this thread) in which you claimed you responded to my question
(regarding your statement that there is "a bundle of evidence for
Jesus Christ in the Gospels"), let me repeat it:
"There is a bundle of evidence for Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. Do
you have a particular reason for rejecting it in favor of the Bible?"
Feel free to cut and paste your response from the cited post, or
restate it.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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11 Oct 2003 11:56:26 PM |
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On 11 Oct 2003 22:23:43 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He? You
want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
Get serious.
Actually, we are. Any particular reason why your gods prefer to appear
to mental defectives (please include yourself here) or rotting pizza's
only?
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12 Oct 2003 10:34:00 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:56:26 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 22:23:43 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He? You
want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
Get serious.
Actually, we are. Any particular reason why your gods prefer to appear
to mental defectives (please include yourself here) or rotting pizza's
only?
Again, don't presume to ask me questions when you couch them in
intentionally cruel insults.
John W
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12 Oct 2003 09:56:51 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 15:34:00 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:56:26 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2003 22:23:43 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
While God certainly could perform such a miracle, why would He? You
want a special dispensation of God that you can LAUGH at?
Get serious.
Actually, we are. Any particular reason why your gods prefer to appear
to mental defectives (please include yourself here) or rotting pizza's
only?
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