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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Therion Ware"
Date: 10 Oct 2003 12:07:11 PM
Object: Serious Question. Honest.
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
--
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 15 Oct 2003 07:44:41 AM
In article <dstpovslq62hu7ki0gvkdrj99olusre5p5@4ax.com>, Thomas P. says...


On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:22:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:35:08 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <t1amovkm51kpi8n75kish4iilnt1l6uv34@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

snip

Rapture loons are funny.


Mindless, too.


This particular example seems to be gone. Ah well, he will soon be
replaced.

And he'll probably be back.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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User: "Thomas P."

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 15 Oct 2003 02:08:57 PM
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:44:41 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <dstpovslq62hu7ki0gvkdrj99olusre5p5@4ax.com>, Thomas P. says...


On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:22:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:35:08 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <t1amovkm51kpi8n75kish4iilnt1l6uv34@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

snip

Rapture loons are funny.


Mindless, too.


This particular example seems to be gone. Ah well, he will soon be
replaced.


And he'll probably be back.

He loves us.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
.

User: "Jos Flachs"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 15 Oct 2003 07:18:54 PM
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:44:41 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <dstpovslq62hu7ki0gvkdrj99olusre5p5@4ax.com>, Thomas P. says...


On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:22:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:35:08 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <t1amovkm51kpi8n75kish4iilnt1l6uv34@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

snip

Rapture loons are funny.


Mindless, too.


This particular example seems to be gone. Ah well, he will soon be
replaced.


And he'll probably be back.

That is the new motto for Arnold' re-election: "I'll be back"
The new motto for the state of Cahlifohniah: "Hastalavista, Baby"
.


User: "stoney"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 15 Oct 2003 11:56:12 AM
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:31:37 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<dstpovslq62hu7ki0gvkdrj99olusre5p5@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:22:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:35:08 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <t1amovkm51kpi8n75kish4iilnt1l6uv34@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

snip

Rapture loons are funny.


Mindless, too.


This particular example seems to be gone. Ah well, he will soon be

Sadly, they never go 'out of stock.'


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 13 Oct 2003 05:40:12 PM
On 13 Oct 2003 22:26:17 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:

And there is more proof of Christianity than the dead being raised. I
won't bore you however, as you don't impress me as being sincerely
interested in anything but denial. Self-worship is an illusion, by
the way.

Yet another Liar For God.... If you lie to the guy you're talking to,
by accusing him of being in denial and worshipping himself, which
makes it _very_ personal, how the heck do expect him to believe the
rest of what you say?
There is zero, zip, zilch, nada "proof of Christianity" - otherwise
you would have provided some of it instead of turning nasty.
.
User: "John W"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 15 Oct 2003 10:02:55 PM
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:40:12 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 22:26:17 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:


And there is more proof of Christianity than the dead being raised. I
won't bore you however, as you don't impress me as being sincerely
interested in anything but denial. Self-worship is an illusion, by
the way.


Yet another Liar For God....

Yet another liar for Satan! And we could keep this nonsense up all
day. You don't attack we who belong to God. We belong to the
Omnipotent One, and He takes care of His own.
John W
If you lie to the guy you're talking to,

by accusing him of being in denial and worshipping himself, which
makes it _very_ personal, how the heck do expect him to believe the
rest of what you say?

There is zero, zip, zilch, nada "proof of Christianity" - otherwise
you would have provided some of it instead of turning nasty.

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User: "John Hattan"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 15 Oct 2003 10:28:17 PM
John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> wrote:

You don't attack we who belong to God. We belong to the
Omnipotent One, and He takes care of His own.

If I had a nickel for every person who ever told me that their god was
gonna beat me up for picking on their religion, I'd be bribed into
Christianity by now.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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User: "John"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 04:59:46 PM
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:28:17 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> wrote:

You don't attack we who belong to God. We belong to the
Omnipotent One, and He takes care of His own.


If I had a nickel for every person who ever told me that their god was
gonna beat me up for picking on their religion, I'd be bribed into
Christianity by now.

You are truly gifted at twisting people's words into other,
non-related statements.
John W


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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 02:39:27 PM
On 16 Oct 2003 03:02:55 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>,
Message ID: <dg2sovcdqs1ng6dob2bkd6ns2t2jhharul@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:40:12 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 22:26:17 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:


And there is more proof of Christianity than the dead being raised. I
won't bore you however, as you don't impress me as being sincerely
interested in anything but denial. Self-worship is an illusion, by
the way.


Yet another Liar For God....


Yet another liar for Satan!

Yes, God is Satan. Bipolar.

And we could keep this nonsense up all
day.

Unfortunately that is very true.

You don't attack we who belong to God.

1) You're not only a slave, but a slave to a bronze age comic book
character!
2) Pointing out you're full of shiite isn't an attack
3)

We belong to the Omnipotent One,

(shuddering at the slave mentality)
Omnipotent as long as such is kept below primitive chariots on a level
plain that are made of iron.

and He takes care of His own.

Ignoring and amplifying a malady is "taking care of 'his' own"....


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.



User: "Thomas P."

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 13 Oct 2003 02:39:13 AM
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.

No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
.
User: "John"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 13 Oct 2003 05:20:45 PM
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence. Perhaps your eyes are shut so
tightly the light cannot get in.
How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."??? Your statement
lacks credibility.
John W


Thomas P.

"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."

Juvenal

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User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 13 Oct 2003 07:46:17 PM
In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.

Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."

How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???

Fallacious appeal to authority.
Your statement lacks credibility.
Don
---
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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User: "John W"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 15 Oct 2003 09:35:53 PM
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:46:17 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.


Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."

Funny, you parrot many others who know what you do NOT know. I have
posted proofs NUMEROUS times.
If you searched back a month or 3 in a dozen other threads, it's all
documented. I don't do it every time one of you passes gas and
confuses it for an original question.
Ask something I haven't answered a hundred times, and approach me with
some respect, and you may learn something.
John W



How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???


Fallacious appeal to authority.

That is a fallacious concept. Many authorities know LOTS of stuff
non-authorities don't know.
I bet our President, for instance, knows MUCH more than you do about
America's arsenal, for instance.
John W


Your statement lacks credibility.


Don
---
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

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User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 15 Oct 2003 10:21:40 PM
In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 02:35:53 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:46:17 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.


Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."



Funny, you parrot many others who know what you do NOT know.

Funny, you just proved my point.

I have
posted proofs NUMEROUS times.

No, you posted what you thought was proof, but actually isn't.

How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???


Fallacious appeal to authority.


That is a fallacious concept.

Yes, you did use a fallacy. Thank you for agreeing.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "John W"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 06:05:01 AM
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list. Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.
John W

In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 02:35:53 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:46:17 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.


Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."



Funny, you parrot many others who know what you do NOT know.


Funny, you just proved my point.

I have
posted proofs NUMEROUS times.


No, you posted what you thought was proof, but actually isn't.


How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???


Fallacious appeal to authority.


That is a fallacious concept.


Yes, you did use a fallacy. Thank you for agreeing.


Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

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User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 06:38:00 AM
In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list. Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.

Coward.


John W



In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 02:35:53 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:46:17 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.


Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."



Funny, you parrot many others who know what you do NOT know.


Funny, you just proved my point.

I have
posted proofs NUMEROUS times.


No, you posted what you thought was proof, but actually isn't.


How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???


Fallacious appeal to authority.


That is a fallacious concept.


Yes, you did use a fallacy. Thank you for agreeing.


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User: "John"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 04:39:33 PM
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:38:00 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
n r

In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list. Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.


Coward.


John W



In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 02:35:53 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:46:17 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.


Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."



Funny, you parrot many others who know what you do NOT know.


Funny, you just proved my point.

I have
posted proofs NUMEROUS times.


No, you posted what you thought was proof, but actually isn't.


How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???


Fallacious appeal to authority.


That is a fallacious concept.


Yes, you did use a fallacy. Thank you for agreeing.


Don
---
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User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 07:01:11 PM
In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 21:39:33 GMT, John
<john_weatherly@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:38:00 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
n r

In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list. Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.


Coward.


John W



In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 02:35:53 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:46:17 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.


Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."



Funny, you parrot many others who know what you do NOT know.


Funny, you just proved my point.

I have
posted proofs NUMEROUS times.


No, you posted what you thought was proof, but actually isn't.


How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???


Fallacious appeal to authority.


That is a fallacious concept.


Yes, you did use a fallacy. Thank you for agreeing.


Don
---
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 17 Oct 2003 09:24:22 AM
In article <rv3uovcg2u4stn61uhmt8ak72uhsof3853@4ax.com>, John says...


On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:38:00 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
n r

e s a d
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.
User: "Jos Flachs"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 18 Oct 2003 12:11:09 AM
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:24:22 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <rv3uovcg2u4stn61uhmt8ak72uhsof3853@4ax.com>, John says...


On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:38:00 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
n r


e s a d

Wow! You use rough language, lady! Don't you EVER utter that word to a
Thai. It is about as rude as you can get. Especially if you add: ihear
in front.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 18 Oct 2003 10:40:44 AM
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:11:09 +0700, Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com>,
Message ID: <j971pv8clk9m174qktl9dik2svbvmoj920@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:24:22 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <rv3uovcg2u4stn61uhmt8ak72uhsof3853@4ax.com>, John says...


On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:38:00 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
n r


e s a d

Wow! You use rough language, lady! Don't you EVER utter that word to a
Thai. It is about as rude as you can get. Especially if you add: ihear
in front.

I take it the person that said that would die.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.


User: "stoney"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 17 Oct 2003 06:36:30 PM
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:24:22 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>,
Message ID: <qYSjb.24397$cJ5.3817@www.newsranger.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

In article <rv3uovcg2u4stn61uhmt8ak72uhsof3853@4ax.com>, John says...


On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:38:00 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
n r


e s a d

P & S is his favourite holy meal.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.




User: "Jos Flachs"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 07:48:31 AM
On 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list. Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.

Jesus Motherfucking Christ on a Pogo Stick! Can you add me to that
list as well?

John W



In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 02:35:53 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:46:17 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.


Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."



Funny, you parrot many others who know what you do NOT know.


Funny, you just proved my point.

I have
posted proofs NUMEROUS times.


No, you posted what you thought was proof, but actually isn't.


How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???


Fallacious appeal to authority.


That is a fallacious concept.


Yes, you did use a fallacy. Thank you for agreeing.


Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
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User: "John"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 04:39:55 PM
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:48:31 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
n r pervert.

On 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list. Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.

Jesus Motherfucking Christ on a Pogo Stick! Can you add me to that
list as well?

John W



In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 02:35:53 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> let us all know that:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:46:17 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 13 Oct 2003 22:20:45 GMT, John
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:



Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...


Says who?


John W


Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?


It's not "some sort of trick."

Logic/science tells

you it is impossible...


Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.


No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.

Funny. Lots of us see TONS of evidence.


Funny. You claim that there is evidence. But you never show it.
And then you whine about "people's eyes being shut", which is just
code for "I can't produce any evidence, so I will cry about it."



Funny, you parrot many others who know what you do NOT know.


Funny, you just proved my point.

I have
posted proofs NUMEROUS times.


No, you posted what you thought was proof, but actually isn't.


How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???


Fallacious appeal to authority.


That is a fallacious concept.


Yes, you did use a fallacy. Thank you for agreeing.


Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 17 Oct 2003 09:23:52 AM
In article <904uovg0kftm7oqik6iqv5j39q9mvibtsb@4ax.com>, John says...


On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:48:31 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
n r pervert.

K M A
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.



User: "stoney"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 02:19:07 PM
On 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>,
Message ID: <5nusovkj2g5c2mgv9pbfmnh3r6g4rgm1dg@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list.

Better add yourself to that list, fuckwit.

Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.

Sure. (Defecating on all three). Such is much more respect than
deserved.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
User: "John"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 04:40:35 PM
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:19:07 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
n r

On 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>,
Message ID: <5nusovkj2g5c2mgv9pbfmnh3r6g4rgm1dg@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list.


Better add yourself to that list, fuckwit.

Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.


Sure. (Defecating on all three). Such is much more respect than
deserved.



Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"

When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert

alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}

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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 17 Oct 2003 09:23:21 AM
In article <d14uovk7dka900f75gqlq1sa44pnqegs59@4ax.com>, John says...


On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:19:07 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
n r

y a a s mf ah
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.

User: "John Hattan"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 04:42:37 PM
John <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:19:07 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
n r

Why do you keep responding to people who you claim are "back in my
"unworthy/ignore" list"?

On 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>,
Message ID: <5nusovkj2g5c2mgv9pbfmnh3r6g4rgm1dg@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list.


Better add yourself to that list, fuckwit.

Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.


Sure. (Defecating on all three). Such is much more respect than
deserved.



Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"

When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert

alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}



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User: "Jos Flachs"

Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. 16 Oct 2003 10:56:03 PM
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:42:37 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

John <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:19:07 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
n r


Why do you keep responding to people who you claim are "back in my
"unworthy/ignore" list"?

Now, that's an easy question to answer. Sjonny is an attention *****.
He NEEDS attention. No matter what. He gets off on humiliation. No
insult is too gross, no humiliation is too much. If we wouldn't
respond, he'd have to go to the Hell's Angels and call them names.
He... that's an idea! Sjonny, how about converting some Hell's Angels?


On 16 Oct 2003 11:05:01 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>,
Message ID: <5nusovkj2g5c2mgv9pbfmnh3r6g4rgm1dg@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:21:40 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:


You have gone back in my "unworthy/ignore" list.


Better add yourself to that list, fuckwit.

Come back with some
respect for God, His word, and His servant.


Sure. (Defecating on all three). Such is much more respect than
deserved.



Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"

When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert

alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}



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