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"Therion Ware" |
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10 Oct 2003 12:07:11 PM |
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Serious Question. Honest. |
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. |
17 Oct 2003 11:58:23 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:22:10 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
In article <h94uov02hq4f6kdb0pti1amc7kpsg1va3m@4ax.com>, John says...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:20:33 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
mbs (more bs) n r
Ignored due to John's utter stupidity ;)
It is a miracle he manages breathing.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. |
17 Oct 2003 06:44:51 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2003 21:45:01 GMT, John <john_weatherly@yahoo.com>, Message
ID: <h94uov02hq4f6kdb0pti1amc7kpsg1va3m@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:20:33 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
mbs (more bs) n r
Yes, ***** and cowardice is your stock in trade.
On 16 Oct 2003 02:46:06 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>,
Message ID: <jh1sovo3avs1hc23s9vbt4u2r7itmiisas@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:05:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:34:12 -0500, Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com>,
Message ID: <BBB0CAD4.735F8%teekem@ispwest.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
in article l69movg7v4hitnjtlc8jdumb39jrgthtp7@4ax.com, John at
john_weatherly47@yahoo.com wrote on 10/13/03 5:20 PM:
How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all
walks of life, including scientists, believe in Christ and the Bible,
and yet YOU say "there's no credible evidence."??? Your statement
lacks credibility.
How have hundreds of millions of educated professional people from all walks
of life, including scientists, believe in Mohammed and the Quran, and yet
YOU say "there's no credible evidence."???
Your statement lacks intelligence. At one point, most people thought the
world was flat. At one point, most people thought the gods sat at the top of
a mountain and played games with humanity. And yes, even now, there are
sizable chunks of the educated, professional, scientific population who
believe in different gods than yours.
Weatherly doesn't believe in the xtian deity. He's rolled his own.
Non-sequitor.
Au contraire! It definately follows.
Also, fabrication, libel, and lie.
Translation: The statement was dead accurate.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 08:24:26 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<milkovc51cblf7a9r5abmfp13ue961p8oh@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.
Based on the 'logic' Mr. Weatherly utilizes.......
Mr. Weatherly rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they
marinate in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
The above must be true since it is written.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "John W" |
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15 Oct 2003 09:56:33 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:24:26 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<milkovc51cblf7a9r5abmfp13ue961p8oh@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.
Based on the 'logic' Mr. Weatherly utilizes.......
Mr. Weatherly rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they
marinate in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
The above must be true since it is written.
Was there a point there somewhere? The Bible claims to be inspired and
infallible. I claim neither.
John W
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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15 Oct 2003 10:22:02 PM |
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John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:24:26 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<milkovc51cblf7a9r5abmfp13ue961p8oh@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.
Based on the 'logic' Mr. Weatherly utilizes.......
Mr. Weatherly rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they
marinate in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
The above must be true since it is written.
Was there a point there somewhere? The Bible claims to be inspired and
infallible. I claim neither.
Ahh, I see.
The following sentence is inspired and infallible. Mr. Weatherly
rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they marinate
in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
It must be true since it is written and claims to be inspired and
infallible.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Oct 2003 02:25:32 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:22:02 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <pi3sov88agugelrfbndmvmkcapnl8e9cc4@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:24:26 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<milkovc51cblf7a9r5abmfp13ue961p8oh@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.
Based on the 'logic' Mr. Weatherly utilizes.......
Mr. Weatherly rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they
marinate in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
The above must be true since it is written.
Was there a point there somewhere? The Bible claims to be inspired and
infallible. I claim neither.
Ahh, I see.
The following sentence is inspired and infallible. Mr. Weatherly
rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they marinate
in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
It must be true since it is written and claims to be inspired and
infallible.
Oh good, you flipped that part around on him.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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16 Oct 2003 03:16:11 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:22:02 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <pi3sov88agugelrfbndmvmkcapnl8e9cc4@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:24:26 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Based on the 'logic' Mr. Weatherly utilizes.......
Mr. Weatherly rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they
marinate in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
The above must be true since it is written.
Was there a point there somewhere? The Bible claims to be inspired and
infallible. I claim neither.
Ahh, I see.
The following sentence is inspired and infallible. Mr. Weatherly
rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they marinate
in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
It must be true since it is written and claims to be inspired and
infallible.
Oh good, you flipped that part around on him.
Not a big deal. This genius is so chock-full of nonsense logic and
mindless assertions that he's a friggin bunny-slope. Rush Limbaugh could
make cole slaw out of Weatherly's arguments with a bellyful of "blue
babies" :)
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Oct 2003 06:47:06 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:16:11 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <c0vtovslodec6ss271i5kbd459a171jp0d@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:22:02 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <pi3sov88agugelrfbndmvmkcapnl8e9cc4@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:24:26 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Based on the 'logic' Mr. Weatherly utilizes.......
Mr. Weatherly rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they
marinate in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
The above must be true since it is written.
Was there a point there somewhere? The Bible claims to be inspired and
infallible. I claim neither.
Ahh, I see.
The following sentence is inspired and infallible. Mr. Weatherly
rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they marinate
in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
It must be true since it is written and claims to be inspired and
infallible.
Oh good, you flipped that part around on him.
Not a big deal. This genius is so chock-full of nonsense logic and
mindless assertions that he's a friggin bunny-slope. Rush Limbaugh could
make cole slaw out of Weatherly's arguments with a bellyful of "blue
babies" :)
I know. Thing is one item puts a terrible strain on him. Putting two
items generates 'blue screen.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Oct 2003 02:24:43 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2003 02:56:33 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahooo.com>,
Message ID: <v42sov02b8l5k35qevp5ccnnbroap5oan9@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:24:26 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:39:13 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<milkovc51cblf7a9r5abmfp13ue961p8oh@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
No, that is completely rational. If you tell me something that I find
incredible, I am under no obligation to believe you without evidence.
It would be perfectly reasonable to doubt you. Perhaps you could tell
me why I should believe you or anybody or any book when the claim is
incredible and the evidence is lacking.
Based on the 'logic' Mr. Weatherly utilizes.......
Mr. Weatherly rips fetus' out of the womb and barbeques them after they
marinate in a mixture of their own blood, and goats milk for 48 hours.
The above must be true since it is written.
Was there a point there somewhere?
Certainly, but I'm not surprised you missed it. The point is that
unsupported assertions are overpriced at a penny per thousand trillion.
The Bible claims to be inspired and
infallible. I claim neither.
For which (the bible) fails miserably.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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13 Oct 2003 02:14:14 AM |
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On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
Sanity does.
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
Oh, you observed some dead being raised? Are you still under treatment
for that?
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| User: "stone" |
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16 Oct 2003 11:39:59 AM |
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Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message news:<jtckovoo9dl2g31iffbqd32kuv61r710ie@4ax.com>...
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
Sanity does.
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
Oh, you observed some dead being raised? Are you still under treatment
for that?
Go to this website, a metacrawler search site, and read about Smith
Wigglesworth. He was a preacher in England at the beginning of the
20th century. He raised several people from the dead, and it was seen
by witnesses and recorded. He was called the apostle of faith; his
faith was unwavering and the power of God worked miracles through him.
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16 Oct 2003 04:25:27 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2003 09:39:59 -0700, (stone) wrote:
Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message news:<jtckovoo9dl2g31iffbqd32kuv61r710ie@4ax.com>...
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
Sanity does.
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
Oh, you observed some dead being raised? Are you still under treatment
for that?
Go to this website, a metacrawler search site, and read about Smith
Wigglesworth. He was a preacher in England at the beginning of the
20th century. He raised several people from the dead, and it was seen
by witnesses and recorded. He was called the apostle of faith; his
faith was unwavering and the power of God worked miracles through him.
I've heard of the guy. I hadn't heard that he raised the dead.
However, raising the dead doesn't make one an "apostle." You might as
well call him an Old Testament prophet.
There were no apostles after the 1st C AD.
We see ONE attempt on the part of the apostles to appoint an apostle.
They picked Matthias, and we never hear of him again. God, however,
chose Paul to replace Judas. God chose, not man. And Paul made
history.
God's message to man was that God would choose His apostles. That is
not a task He delegated, and the apostles got the message. There is no
record that they "selected" any more "apostles" after Matthias.
God can STILL work miracles; He just can't violate His own Word.
John W
John W
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: *Serious Question. Honest. |
16 Oct 2003 06:59:59 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 16 Oct 2003 21:25:27 GMT, John
<john_weatherly@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 16 Oct 2003 09:39:59 -0700, (stone) wrote:
Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message news:<jtckovoo9dl2g31iffbqd32kuv61r710ie@4ax.com>...
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
Sanity does.
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
Oh, you observed some dead being raised? Are you still under treatment
for that?
Go to this website, a metacrawler search site, and read about Smith
Wigglesworth. He was a preacher in England at the beginning of the
20th century. He raised several people from the dead, and it was seen
by witnesses and recorded. He was called the apostle of faith; his
faith was unwavering and the power of God worked miracles through him.
I've heard of the guy. I hadn't heard that he raised the dead.
However, raising the dead doesn't make one an "apostle." You might as
well call him an Old Testament prophet.
There were no apostles after the 1st C AD.
We see ONE attempt on the part of the apostles to appoint an apostle.
They picked Matthias, and we never hear of him again. God, however,
chose Paul to replace Judas.
No, that's not the way your bible tells it.
You violated jesus' words of not adding to the bible.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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16 Oct 2003 10:55:48 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2003 21:25:27 GMT, John <john_weatherly@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 16 Oct 2003 09:39:59 -0700, (stone) wrote:
Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message news:<jtckovoo9dl2g31iffbqd32kuv61r710ie@4ax.com>...
On 13 Oct 2003 03:54:07 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0700, Jesse Nowells
<jnowells@transbay.net> wrote:
Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Says who?
Sanity does.
John W
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick?
It's not "some sort of trick."
Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Logic nor science tells you it is impossible. Why do you doubt merely
because you have not personally observed? That is not rational; that
is ignorance; worst of all, it is self-imposed.
Oh, you observed some dead being raised? Are you still under treatment
for that?
Go to this website, a metacrawler search site, and read about Smith
Wigglesworth. He was a preacher in England at the beginning of the
20th century. He raised several people from the dead, and it was seen
by witnesses and recorded. He was called the apostle of faith; his
faith was unwavering and the power of God worked miracles through him.
I've heard of the guy. I hadn't heard that he raised the dead.
However, raising the dead doesn't make one an "apostle." You might as
well call him an Old Testament prophet.
There were no apostles after the 1st C AD.
Yes, one: Mohammed.
We see ONE attempt on the part of the apostles to appoint an apostle.
They picked Matthias, and we never hear of him again. God, however,
chose Paul to replace Judas. God chose, not man. And Paul made
history.
That he most certainly did. So did Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler.
God's message to man was that God would choose His apostles. That is
not a task He delegated, and the apostles got the message. There is no
record that they "selected" any more "apostles" after Matthias.
Yes, Mohammed.
God can STILL work miracles; He just can't violate His own Word.
Thus, not omnipotent. He quite often breaks his word, mind you. Read
all about it. In ... the bible! Coming soon in a church near you!
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12 Oct 2003 02:10:53 PM |
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SumBuny wrote:
"D Wolf" <notan@emailadress.com> wrote in message
news:1a4jovkpri6tmmnh60g5ph2olabv2e81ob@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:53:04 -0500, "SumBuny"
<sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:
"D Wolf" <notan@emailadress.com> wrote in message
news:38peov0krv074j8d7qbmh3coqjbm98bsms@4ax.com...
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
Sworn testimony of a person I saw dead and buried twenty years ago
showing up and telling me aobut it, not a day older then the aslt time
I saw her.
That would pretty much do it for me.
<G>
FWIW, this was actually adressed in the Bible itself. People asked if
someone could come back from the dead to prove God's words. Jesus said
something to the effect of, "If they wouldn't believe the prophets, what
makes you think that they would beleive someone back from the dead?"
Why would I belive someone I know and love when I refused to belive a
historical fictional character? : )
Think about it
I have...I ask you to do the same. Imagine someone that you know, someone
who is *dead*...showing up all of a sudden in your life. You know that he
is dead, that the dead do not come back to life...
Would you believe that this is not some sort of trick? Logic/science tells
you it is impossible...
Think about it.
Science has the capacity to accept that it can be wrong. Think about that.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "raven1" |
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11 Oct 2003 05:24:38 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:53:04 -0500, "SumBuny"
<sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:
"D Wolf" <notan@emailadress.com> wrote in message
news:38peov0krv074j8d7qbmh3coqjbm98bsms@4ax.com...
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:11 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
Sworn testimony of a person I saw dead and buried twenty years ago
showing up and telling me aobut it, not a day older then the aslt time
I saw her.
That would pretty much do it for me.
<G>
FWIW, this was actually adressed in the Bible itself. People asked if
someone could come back from the dead to prove God's words. Jesus said
something to the effect of, "If they wouldn't believe the prophets, what
makes you think that they would beleive someone back from the dead?"
Because physical evidence generally counts for more than unsupported
assertions from unknown sources?
I understand how this might add to "proof," but--as someone else stated
earlier--how do you know for sure that this would change your mind? (the
earlier poster asked a person of belief something about "how do you know for
sure that nothing would change your mind?")
Buny
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10 Oct 2003 07:41:03 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> thought hard and said:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
I doubt it very, very seriously.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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10 Oct 2003 06:05:53 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists
Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
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10 Oct 2003 06:31:10 PM |
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"Orhan Orgun" <orhanorgun@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists
Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
<trimmed to just include alt.atheism>
*****!
That's a lot of god there!
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| User: "Orhan Orgun" |
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12 Oct 2003 09:49:45 PM |
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"Dave" <dhaapala@houston.barf.rr.com> wrote in message news:<2jHhb.13777$X66.12321@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"Orhan Orgun" <orhanorgun@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists
Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
<trimmed to just include alt.atheism>
*****!
That's a lot of god there!
That's just the thing with gods. They are everywhere, all the time.
One just can't ever get away from the little buggers.
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| User: "SumBuny" |
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11 Oct 2003 02:47:10 PM |
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"Orhan Orgun" <orhanorgun@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists
Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
One must be more aware of those who wish to stereotype others. I have met
people who acted more "Christ-like" that were what you call "Godless
atheists" than some that were loudly proclaimed Christians...
*Some* may be viscious--but that can be said about *any* group of people...
Buny
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| User: "Orhan Orgun" |
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12 Oct 2003 09:46:33 PM |
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"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote in message news:<J2Zhb.78704$a16.5968@lakeread01>...
"Orhan Orgun" <orhanorgun@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists
Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
One must be more aware of those who wish to stereotype others. I have met
people who acted more "Christ-like" that were what you call "Godless
atheists" than some that were loudly proclaimed Christians...
*Some* may be viscious
Right on. You'd better be careful around those viscous atheists too. I
can handle elastic atheists and plastic atheists just fine. However,
when you get to viscous atheists, the equations of motion get a little
too hairy. Better stay away from them.
--but that can be said about *any* group of people...
Buny
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| User: "Clayton McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!" |
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10 Oct 2003 08:10:17 PM |
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"Orhan Orgun" <orhanorgun@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists
Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
What about a breaded atheist with new potatoes.
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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11 Oct 2003 07:45:55 AM |
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In article <3f8758b8$0$6529$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Clayton
McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
-"Orhan Orgun" <orhanorgun@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
-news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
-> Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
-news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
-> > Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
-> >
-> > We Godless atheists
->
-> Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
-> Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
-
-What about a breaded atheist with new potatoes.
Nahhh...just too many carbs in that dish!
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Oct 2003 09:39:29 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:45:55 GMT,
(Ninure Saunders), Message ID:
<RainbowChristiannohate-1110030758100001@h-68-164-9-205.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net>
wrote in alt.atheism;
In article <3f8758b8$0$6529$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Clayton
McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
-"Orhan Orgun" <orhanorgun@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
-news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
-> Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
-news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
-> > Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
-> >
-> > We Godless atheists
->
-> Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
-> Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
-
-What about a breaded atheist with new potatoes.
Nahhh...just too many carbs in that dish!
You could always add some 'carb cleaner'....... :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Orhan Orgun" |
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12 Oct 2003 11:34:30 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<amfhovou280fm5bbcn5u35va725eqkv5l1@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:45:55 GMT,
(Ninure Saunders), Message ID:
<RainbowChristiannohate-1110030758100001@h-68-164-9-205.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net>
wrote in alt.atheism;
In article <3f8758b8$0$6529$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Clayton
McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
-"Orhan Orgun" <orhanorgun@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
-news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
-> Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
-news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
-> > Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
-> >
-> > We Godless atheists
->
-> Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
-> Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
-
-What about a breaded atheist with new potatoes.
Nahhh...just too many carbs in that dish!
You could always add some 'carb cleaner'....... :)
Hmmm. So, gasoline engines with fuel injectors are called Atkins engines, are they?
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13 Oct 2003 08:19:15 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 21:34:30 -0700, (Orhan Orgun),
Message ID: <10376a31.0310122034.1b3db061@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<amfhovou280fm5bbcn5u35va725eqkv5l1@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:45:55 GMT,
(Ninure Saunders), Message ID:
<RainbowChristiannohate-1110030758100001@h-68-164-9-205.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net>
wrote in alt.atheism;
In article <3f8758b8$0$6529$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Clayton
McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
-"Orhan Orgun" < > wrote in message
-news:10376a31.0310101505.87f272b@posting.google.com...
-> Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
-news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
-> > Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
-> >
-> > We Godless atheists
->
-> Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
-> Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
-
-What about a breaded atheist with new potatoes.
Nahhh...just too many carbs in that dish!
You could always add some 'carb cleaner'....... :)
Hmmm. So, gasoline engines with fuel injectors are called Atkins engines, are they?
Yep.....such is their 'diet'......
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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17 Oct 2003 07:50:11 PM |
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Orhan Orgun wrote:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists
Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
But whatever you do keep away from the godded superstitious fundies
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| User: "Orhan Orgun" |
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18 Oct 2003 11:45:46 PM |
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bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:<3F908DB8.BD5EB14A@netvigator.com>...
Orhan Orgun wrote:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists
Beware of the Godless atheists. They are much more vicious than the
Godful atheists, the Goddy atheists, and the Godded atheists.
But whatever you do keep away from the godded superstitious fundies
easier said than done
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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10 Oct 2003 04:58:53 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
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