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"Therion Ware" |
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10 Oct 2003 12:07:11 PM |
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Serious Question. Honest. |
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
11 Oct 2003 12:07:26 AM |
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On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away. Why? Not because it's not true. You shove it aside because you
simply aren't interested.
There are none so blind as you who choose to not see.
"You don't break God's laws; they break you."
Charlie Shedd
John W
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
11 Oct 2003 05:07:43 PM |
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And it came to pass that John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> did write
in alt.atheism, news:bs3fov4pb7g3hefvfbm5fmf8oitgvo8fpv@4ax.com:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away. Why? Not because it's not true. You shove it aside because you
simply aren't interested.
Just as you shove aside the evidence for the gods worshipped by the
ancient Egyptians for four millenia. Why would they have built vast
pyramids, and had extensive funeray texts if it wasn't true?
Better get ready to have your heart weighed against the feather of Ma'at
in the Hall of Double Right and Truth when you die...
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
11 Oct 2003 09:46:33 AM |
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In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
And that was a very patronizing and rude response.
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away.
Actually, you claim it's evidence. But it's never been shown to
be evidence.
The hindus claim that the vedas are evidence of their gods.
Therefore, it is evidence of their gods. That's the same line you're
feeding us, and I'll wager that you don't believe the hindus, do you?
Why would you expect us to believe a line that you wouldn't believe?
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
11 Oct 2003 09:00:05 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:46:33 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
I somehow can find no serious, sincere, honest questions here, only
atheist discussion/commentary that doesn't belong in the baptist
group.
John W
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
And that was a very patronizing and rude response.
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away.
Actually, you claim it's evidence. But it's never been shown to
be evidence.
The hindus claim that the vedas are evidence of their gods.
Therefore, it is evidence of their gods. That's the same line you're
feeding us, and I'll wager that you don't believe the hindus, do you?
Why would you expect us to believe a line that you wouldn't believe?
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "raven1" |
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11 Oct 2003 10:27:36 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 02:00:05 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:46:33 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
I somehow can find no serious, sincere, honest questions here, only
atheist discussion/commentary that doesn't belong in the baptist
group.
Try this one again, since you ignored it before:
"There is a bundle of evidence for Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. Do
you have a particular reason for rejecting it in favor of the Bible?"
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 06:08:06 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:27:36 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 02:00:05 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:46:33 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
I somehow can find no serious, sincere, honest questions here, only
atheist discussion/commentary that doesn't belong in the baptist
group.
Try this one again, since you ignored it before:
"There is a bundle of evidence for Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. Do
you have a particular reason for rejecting it in favor of the Bible?"
You made a point further down in the thread that you have NOT come
with insults. I can't verify that without going back too far, so I
will take your word and answer you.
I was raised since my earliest memories as a Christian. I suppose that
when I began to "wander far and wide" and look at other religions
(Hinduism BRIEFLY), I searched for something superior in my opinion to
what I already believed about God, Christ, and the Bible.
True to its word, Christianity has proved "abundantly sufficient." I
truly HAVE found "life in Christ," "abundant power for living", and
His grace.
I need nothing else, no other faith, or I might look elsewhere.
However, my view on Hinduism, (just one point) is that any religion
that allows HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE to starve to death while an
abundant supply of food (beef) walks around freely, is my opinion, a
religion from the pits of hell.
A second point. If you can't remember but SNIPPETS of your previous
live(s), how are you supposed to know what you did wrong in the last
life to do right the next time?
The Christian does not need re-incarnation, (which memories are
explained otherwise); the Christian has forgiveness, repentance,
Grace, salvation, and eternal life.
This life, then forever with Him. I like my plan better than the
Hindu.
Much better!
Plus I've seen too many miracles (even in my own life) to have any
doubts.
John W
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| User: "John W" |
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12 Oct 2003 10:52:51 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:27:36 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 02:00:05 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:46:33 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
I somehow can find no serious, sincere, honest questions here, only
atheist discussion/commentary that doesn't belong in the baptist
group.
Try this one again, since you ignored it before:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
And I do not deal with religions like the Hindu because there is a
reason I'm in the baptist group. That is the group I choose and with
whom I identify.
John w
"There is a bundle of evidence for Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. Do
you have a particular reason for rejecting it in favor of the Bible?"
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 AM |
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John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
I guess you don't need to practice what you preach, because you're not
the kind of person you're preaching to.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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12 Oct 2003 01:05:34 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 -0500, John Hattan
<john@thecodezone.com> let us all know that:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
I guess you don't need to practice what you preach, because you're not
the kind of person you're preaching to.
He certainly isn't J.R. "BOB" Dobbs.
Don
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Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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12 Oct 2003 04:14:57 PM |
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Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 -0500, John Hattan
<john@thecodezone.com> let us all know that:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
I guess you don't need to practice what you preach, because you're not
the kind of person you're preaching to.
He certainly isn't J.R. "BOB" Dobbs.
"Bob" would've been proud of making incest posts.
Heck, "Bob" would've asked for videos of incestuous manatees and been
willing to pay for 'em!
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john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "John W" |
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13 Oct 2003 06:10:18 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
And you have a distinct knack for selectively mis-quoting me and
probably others.
John W
I guess you don't need to practice what you preach, because you're not
the kind of person you're preaching to.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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13 Oct 2003 08:44:36 AM |
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John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
And you have a distinct knack for selectively mis-quoting me and
probably others.
That was the entirety of your post, genius.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=sjsiov8tff72f7qn4qrckj565tbuav6joc%404ax.com
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john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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13 Oct 2003 07:57:25 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:44:36 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
And you have a distinct knack for selectively mis-quoting me and
probably others.
That was the entirety of your post, genius.
And the point of my remark OBVIOUSLY went over your head, as most of
my remarks seem to do.
John W
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=sjsiov8tff72f7qn4qrckj565tbuav6joc%404ax.com
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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13 Oct 2003 09:25:00 PM |
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John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:44:36 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
And you have a distinct knack for selectively mis-quoting me and
probably others.
That was the entirety of your post, genius.
And the point of my remark OBVIOUSLY went over your head, as most of
my remarks seem to do.
Your claim was that I was "selectively mis-quoting[sic]" you. Since it
was the entirety of your post, there was no subset of text to select or
misquote.
In short, you lied again. Nothing new there.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=sjsiov8tff72f7qn4qrckj565tbuav6joc%404ax.com
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john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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14 Oct 2003 12:34:46 AM |
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On 14 Oct 2003 00:57:25 GMT, John <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:44:36 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
And you have a distinct knack for selectively mis-quoting me and
probably others.
That was the entirety of your post, genius.
And the point of my remark OBVIOUSLY went over your head, as most of
my remarks seem to do.
It slipped under my feet. Your intellect doesn't read my little toe
even.
John W
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| User: "stoney" |
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12 Oct 2003 03:39:53 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:08:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <j2viovk51fbhfp0795sjb60nci9mmqbe9i@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
"You idiot! You truly expect to insult me and continue to dialogue?
YOU are insane!"
-- you, about 15 minutes ago
I guess you don't need to practice what you preach, because you're not
the kind of person you're preaching to.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHH
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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12 Oct 2003 09:57:00 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 15:52:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous, and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
Does god give you a divine handjob, Sjonny? In that nice dark room?
And I do not deal with religions like the Hindu because there is a
reason I'm in the baptist group. That is the group I choose and with
whom I identify.
Yes, we know you are pissed. Why don't you simply cut out alt.atheism?
Makes life easier on your bap-pissed buddies too.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 01:26:07 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 15:52:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:27:36 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 02:00:05 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:46:33 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
I somehow can find no serious, sincere, honest questions here, only
atheist discussion/commentary that doesn't belong in the baptist
group.
Try this one again, since you ignored it before:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous,
What exactly do you find arrogant or presumptuous about such a
question? It's quite straightforward; why do you find it so
threatening?
Incidentally, here it is again:
"There is a bundle of evidence for Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. Do
you have a particular reason for rejecting it in favor of the Bible?"
and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
And as I have done none of that, it is quite dishonest of you to imply
that I have.
And I do not deal with religions like the Hindu because there is a
reason I'm in the baptist group. That is the group I choose and with
whom I identify.
And for some reason, you not only refuse to say why you reject the
Hindu religion in favor of the Baptist, you become so defensive when
asked that you practically have a stroke. It's a very simple question,
really.
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:26:07 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 15:52:51 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:27:36 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 02:00:05 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:46:33 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
I somehow can find no serious, sincere, honest questions here, only
atheist discussion/commentary that doesn't belong in the baptist
group.
Try this one again, since you ignored it before:
I have said NUMEROUS times in the past that I do not commit myself to
answering every question posed, particularly not when the questions
posed are arrogant, presumptuous,
What exactly do you find arrogant or presumptuous about such a
question? It's quite straightforward; why do you find it so
threatening?
Incidentally, here it is again:
"There is a bundle of evidence for Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. Do
you have a particular reason for rejecting it in favor of the Bible?"
and begin with name-calling, like
"you idiot, you moron, you imbecile, you psycho".
And as I have done none of that, it is quite dishonest of you to imply
that I have.
That last comment was not directed at you. It was a blanket statement
aimed at a group, and you "got in the way of the blast!" My
apologies. I do not INTENTIONALLY create issues.
And I do not deal with religions like the Hindu because there is a
reason I'm in the baptist group. That is the group I choose and with
whom I identify.
And for some reason, you not only refuse to say why you reject the
Hindu religion in favor of the Baptist, you become so defensive when
asked that you practically have a stroke. It's a very simple question,
really.
See a post just above or below this one (depending on your server). I
answered your question.
John W
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12 Oct 2003 03:57:45 AM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 02:00:05 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> cross
posted to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.bible,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.baptist:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:46:33 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
I somehow can find no serious, sincere, honest questions here, only
atheist discussion/commentary that doesn't belong in the baptist
group.
Still not able to work out what cross posting is, sweetie?
John W
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
And that was a very patronizing and rude response.
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away.
Actually, you claim it's evidence. But it's never been shown to
be evidence.
The hindus claim that the vedas are evidence of their gods.
Therefore, it is evidence of their gods. That's the same line you're
feeding us, and I'll wager that you don't believe the hindus, do you?
Why would you expect us to believe a line that you wouldn't believe?
Don
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12 Oct 2003 10:54:04 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:57:45 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2003 02:00:05 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> cross
posted to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.bible,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.baptist:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:46:33 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on 11 Oct 2003 05:07:26 GMT, John W
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
I somehow can find no serious, sincere, honest questions here, only
atheist discussion/commentary that doesn't belong in the baptist
group.
Still not able to work out what cross posting is, sweetie?
As I've said, I don't know where these absurd feces are coming from,
so I can ignore them, or i can hit the SEND button, and it goes back
whence it came.
If you are tired of Christian rhetoric, try removing us from your
posts;.
John W
John W
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
And that was a very patronizing and rude response.
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away.
Actually, you claim it's evidence. But it's never been shown to
be evidence.
The hindus claim that the vedas are evidence of their gods.
Therefore, it is evidence of their gods. That's the same line you're
feeding us, and I'll wager that you don't believe the hindus, do you?
Why would you expect us to believe a line that you wouldn't believe?
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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12 Oct 2003 09:57:02 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2003 15:54:04 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still not able to work out what cross posting is, sweetie?
As I've said, I don't know where these absurd feces are coming from,
so I can ignore them, or i can hit the SEND button, and it goes back
whence it came.
You could simply choose to post only to the groups you are interested
in. But you refuse to do that. What makes you better than I am? Your
religion?
If you are tired of Christian rhetoric, try removing us from your
posts;.
Oh no, lover boy. You wanna post in alt.atheism? You run the gauntlet.
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13 Oct 2003 06:15:02 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:57:02 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
I return your feces to you so you get to smell your own *****. If you
don't like it quit flushing into the baptist group.
John w
On 12 Oct 2003 15:54:04 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still not able to work out what cross posting is, sweetie?
As I've said, I don't know where these absurd feces are coming from,
so I can ignore them, or i can hit the SEND button, and it goes back
whence it came.
You could simply choose to post only to the groups you are interested
in. But you refuse to do that. What makes you better than I am? Your
religion?
If you are tired of Christian rhetoric, try removing us from your
posts;.
Oh no, lover boy. You wanna post in alt.atheism? You run the gauntlet.
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13 Oct 2003 08:20:51 AM |
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John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:57:02 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
Oh no, lover boy. You wanna post in alt.atheism? You run the gauntlet.
I return your feces to you so you get to smell your own *****. If you
don't like it quit flushing into the baptist group.
Just in case you hadn't noticed, J F, I no longer respond to a list
of posters; including you. So save your keystrokes, and crawl back
to the atheists.
-- You, a few minutes ago
Boy, catching this troll in a lie is like proving that fish are wet.
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john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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13 Oct 2003 08:18:11 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:20:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <rj9lovcci643rs0j3ffoa7lro36n3lv5ia@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:57:02 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
Oh no, lover boy. You wanna post in alt.atheism? You run the gauntlet.
I return your feces to you so you get to smell your own *****. If you
don't like it quit flushing into the baptist group.
Just in case you hadn't noticed, J F, I no longer respond to a list
of posters; including you. So save your keystrokes, and crawl back
to the atheists.
-- You, a few minutes ago
Boy, catching this troll in a lie is like proving that fish are wet.
Yep, he's quite pathetic. But a tad amusing....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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13 Oct 2003 09:27:58 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:20:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <rj9lovcci643rs0j3ffoa7lro36n3lv5ia@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:57:02 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
Oh no, lover boy. You wanna post in alt.atheism? You run the gauntlet.
I return your feces to you so you get to smell your own *****. If you
don't like it quit flushing into the baptist group.
Just in case you hadn't noticed, J F, I no longer respond to a list
of posters; including you. So save your keystrokes, and crawl back
to the atheists.
-- You, a few minutes ago
Boy, catching this troll in a lie is like proving that fish are wet.
Yep, he's quite pathetic. But a tad amusing....
Oh absolutely. His logic is as scrambled as Georgann's, but he's ten
times the lying mendacious hypocrite that she is.
I especially like how he gets offended at people when they curse.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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14 Oct 2003 09:30:19 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:27:58 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <ilnmovo5v4hv63ukul7dg9kvu62gf2ak1r@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:20:51 -0500, John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>,
Message ID: <rj9lovcci643rs0j3ffoa7lro36n3lv5ia@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:57:02 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
Oh no, lover boy. You wanna post in alt.atheism? You run the gauntlet.
I return your feces to you so you get to smell your own *****. If you
don't like it quit flushing into the baptist group.
Just in case you hadn't noticed, J F, I no longer respond to a list
of posters; including you. So save your keystrokes, and crawl back
to the atheists.
-- You, a few minutes ago
Boy, catching this troll in a lie is like proving that fish are wet.
Yep, he's quite pathetic. But a tad amusing....
Oh absolutely. His logic is as scrambled as Georgann's, but he's ten
times the lying mendacious hypocrite that she is.
And that's some doing!
I especially like how he gets offended at people when they curse.
Indeed. His consistent 'aw shits' don't count as they are continually
'washed away' (Niagra Falls anyone?) while those of non-christians do
not.
It is quite clear Weatherly does not 'love' Jesus other than gleefully
'adding to his load' rather than striving to reduce it.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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13 Oct 2003 10:29:17 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2003 11:15:02 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:57:02 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
I return your feces to you so you get to smell your own *****. If you
don't like it quit flushing into the bap-pissed group.
Refuse to waste my keystrokes. I'm not into scat.
John w
On 12 Oct 2003 15:54:04 GMT, John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still not able to work out what cross posting is, sweetie?
As I've said, I don't know where these absurd feces are coming from,
so I can ignore them, or i can hit the SEND button, and it goes back
whence it came.
You could simply choose to post only to the groups you are interested
in. But you refuse to do that. What makes you better than I am? Your
religion?
If you are tired of Christian rhetoric, try removing us from your
posts;.
Oh no, lover boy. You wanna post in alt.atheism? You run the gauntlet.
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11 Oct 2003 07:19:45 PM |
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John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bs3fov4pb7g3hefvfbm5fmf8oitgvo8fpv@4ax.com>...
On 10 Oct 2003 14:58:53 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<pfpdovkugui5rg9okmo44bojfolmn13o2s@4ax.com>...
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
There's only one thing that could convince me ... and that is ...
EVIDENCE.
So far, there has been none whatsoever.
Kenny L.
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
You're wrong above on both counts ... unfortunately :)
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away. Why? Not because it's not true. You shove it aside because you
simply aren't interested.
Unrealistic events contained in a book is not evidence. Again, you're
wrong about shoving things aside. You made that up, which is what
christians are known to do.
There are none so blind as you who choose to not see.
Again, you're wrong, and you made this up.
"You don't break God's laws; they break you."
Try to break out of this stranglehold then ... if your god is a
all-knowing, perfect planner and perfect designer, then obviously this
god planned and designed every single one of your mechanical actions
with PERFECT knowledge BEFORE you were even created PHYSICALLY. This
means that you cannot have any free-will to do things for yourself
since your actions are actually god's own actions...as they were
planned and designed before you were even physically created...step by
step..move by move..every single one of your actions.
Charlie Shedd
John W
You want to argue against this 'evidence' contained in your bible?
Kenny L.
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11 Oct 2003 09:17:59 AM |
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John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
And you will never see any evidence for God because you #1 aren't
looking and #2 you aren't interested.
Actually, my prime interest is in the truth; I am always looking
for evidence of what is true.
There is a bundle of evidence in the Bible, but you just explain it
away. Why? Not because it's not true. You shove it aside because you
simply aren't interested.
On the contrary, I explain it away because it *can* be explained as
not true. There is nothing in the Bible that I find convincing
- instead, I *started* as a believer and the Bible converted me
into an atheist. It struck me as evidence against, not evidence for.
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