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"Therion Ware" |
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10 Oct 2003 12:07:11 PM |
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Serious Question. Honest. |
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
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| User: "SumBuny" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
15 Oct 2003 01:19:18 PM |
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"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:64poovs56b4i1b317uscjht74nfs708g8g@4ax.com...
"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:unhoovsv8td17daq2v7mpaskbub1pep3gp@4ax.com...
"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:3F8A9727.5EFD4621@netvigator.com...
....rolls on floor, lots of laughs....
how do you know the prophesys were not written AFTER THE FACT????
you don't, you have no way of knowing
True...how do you know they were not?
If I presented you with a document dated 9/9/01 stating that airplanes
would hit the WTC towers but I couldn't present anything to validate
the
date, would you assume that I was a prophet or that I wrote it after
the
fact?
Guilty until proven innocent?
Gullible until proven skeptical.
<G> Fair enough...I laugh about this kind of thing with my family, saying
that I have an every-expanding list of questions that I plan on asking
if/when I "meet my Maker"....then again, my mother has always said about me,
"Most 2 year olds always say, 'no!', 3 year olds ask, 'Why?'...Buny never
got past the 3 year old stage, 'cause she is still asking, 'Why?' after all
these years..."
Buny
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
16 Oct 2003 12:39:12 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:19:18 -0500, "SumBuny"
<sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net>, Message ID:
<48gjb.88051$a16.14262@lakeread01> wrote in alt.atheism;
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:64poovs56b4i1b317uscjht74nfs708g8g@4ax.com...
"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:unhoovsv8td17daq2v7mpaskbub1pep3gp@4ax.com...
"SumBuny" <sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_HERE@cox.net> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:3F8A9727.5EFD4621@netvigator.com...
....rolls on floor, lots of laughs....
how do you know the prophesys were not written AFTER THE FACT????
you don't, you have no way of knowing
True...how do you know they were not?
If I presented you with a document dated 9/9/01 stating that airplanes
would hit the WTC towers but I couldn't present anything to validate
the
date, would you assume that I was a prophet or that I wrote it after
the
fact?
Guilty until proven innocent?
Gullible until proven skeptical.
<G> Fair enough...I laugh about this kind of thing with my family, saying
that I have an every-expanding list of questions that I plan on asking
if/when I "meet my Maker"....then again, my mother has always said about me,
"Most 2 year olds always say, 'no!', 3 year olds ask, 'Why?'...Buny never
got past the 3 year old stage, 'cause she is still asking, 'Why?' after all
these years..."
( chuckling ) Good for you.....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
15 Oct 2003 12:06:04 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2003, (Craig Chilton) screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:3f8a36cb.1061963@netnews.mchsi.com:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:24:37 -0400,
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Getting specific: What would convince the "True
Believers" that I am God?
Stand on a mountainside and turn into a burning bush?
If that is what it would take, then shouldn't they turn away
from the "Christian" church?
Good point. That was around 1,500 years before Christ came
on the scene. It would be a reaffirmation for Jewish people.
That is, assuming they haven't seen their "God" and/or Jesus
on a mountain lately, with or without burning like a bush.
Or... maybe, point at Ground Zero and make the World
Trade Towers reappear, fully intact.
I'd have to agree with you. They would require a standard of
proof that is many orders of magnitude above what they demand
the rest of us to accept.
Such hypocrisy!
I'm a Christian. I normal one, like MOST Christians, who have no
problem with people who are not. And perhaps the biggest problem
that Christians face when presenting (unobtrusively, if they do it
right)
Christianity to non-Christians is the fact that for the most part, one
is
being asked to accept Christianity by faith... without much proof.
However, one more evangelical (i.e., spreading the gospel... not to
be
confused with the corruption of that woed by the RRR cultists) tool
that's becoming increasingly useful is the amount of prophecy that is
in
the Bible, much of which has already been fulfilled... an much o which
cannot be self-fulfilling. Such as where Christ would be born... and
that no bones woul be broken when he was executed... and many more.
All of which came to pass precisely... adding up to odds that are
greater
than all the grains of sand in all the world's beaches -- to one -- of
being right. This has been sufficient proof for many to accept Jesus
as
Savior, even though many are still too skeptical, even in the face of
such astronomical odds.
I have to point something out here that you may not have considered:
These prophecies you speak of -- how do you know they were fulfilled?
Ah... because the Bible tells you they were! See, the Bible predicts
that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem. The Bible predicts that Jesus
would have no bones broken. Then we skip forward a few pages, and see
(wonder of wonders!) that the Bible tells us that Jesus was born in
Bethlehem, and that none of his bones were broken.
Ah. Isn't there a slight problem with this proof? Allow me to
demonstrate.
Me: "A giant French Fry is going to pop out of the ice in Antarctica and
breakdance."
Me (five minutes later): "A giant French Fry just popped out of the ice
in Antarctica and breakdanced!"
Now, according to the logic you just used to "prove" the Bible, I have
just been shown to be an infallible prophet, because I made a
prediction, and the prediction came true... right? Umm... the only way
you know the prediction came true is that I told you it did, and how do
you know I am not lying? After all, I have more than a little vested
interest in the fulfillment of my prophecy, don't I? I am hardly an
impartial observer, am I?
So why do you consider the Bible an impartial observer with respect to
its own prophecies? Or do you have evidence outside of the Bible that
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and didn't have his bones broken when he was
crucified?
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
13 Oct 2003 04:42:42 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:35:23 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <3f8a36cb.1061963@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:24:37 -0400,
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Getting specific: What would convince the "True
Believers" that I am God?
Stand on a mountainside and turn into a burning bush?
If that is what it would take, then shouldn't they turn away
from the "Christian" church?
Good point. That was around 1,500 years before Christ came
on the scene. It would be a reaffirmation for Jewish people.
That is, assuming they haven't seen their "God" and/or Jesus
on a mountain lately, with or without burning like a bush.
Or... maybe, point at Ground Zero and make the World
Trade Towers reappear, fully intact.
I'd have to agree with you. They would require a standard of
proof that is many orders of magnitude above what they demand
the rest of us to accept.
Such hypocrisy!
I'm a Christian. I normal one, like MOST Christians, who have no
problem with people who are not. And perhaps the biggest problem
that Christians face when presenting (unobtrusively, if they do it right)
Christianity to non-Christians is the fact that for the most part, one is
being asked to accept Christianity by faith... without much proof.
Without *any* evidence or coherence.
However, one more evangelical (i.e., spreading the gospel... not to be
confused with the corruption of that woed by the RRR cultists) tool
that's becoming increasingly useful is the amount of prophecy that is in
the Bible, much of which has already been fulfilled... an much o which
cannot be self-fulfilling.
The Bible is rubbish from start to finish. Much of the 'prophecy' was
written after the 'fact' and/or is so vague almost anything qualifies as
'fulfillment.'
Such as where Christ would be born... and
that no bones woul be broken when he was executed... and many more.
A tome cannot be put forth as supporting evidence for itself.
All of which came to pass precisely... adding up to odds that are greater
than all the grains of sand in all the world's beaches -- to one -- of
being right. This has been sufficient proof for many to accept Jesus as
Savior, even though many are still too skeptical, even in the face of
such astronomical odds.
Rubbish. Total rubbish.
And THERE, the needed orders of magnitude at last become evident.
The needed orders of magnitude of gullibility at last become evident.
-- Craig Chilton
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Serious Question. Honest. |
12 Oct 2003 04:05:31 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:32:14 GMT, (Craig Chilton)
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:36:10 -0400,
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Therion Ware wrote:
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter
of fact, that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least
beyond reasonable dispute, that would convince you
believers that there is no God.
As a related question, what would convince you believers that
*some other* God is the One True God?
Getting specific: What would convince the "True Believers" that
I am God?
Stand on a mountainside and turn into a burning bush?
Or... maybe, point at Ground Zero and make the World Trade
Towers reappear, fully intact.
Point out over the Pacific Ocean and create a bridge from
L.A. to Tokyo, via Honolulu and Guam.
Create an express elevator to a geostationary satellite?
Move Machu Picchu to the top of Mount Ararat?
Gosh... there're quite a few things you could do that SHOULD
be real convincers... :)
The Christian god might try a few of them. He could, for example,
personally tell the Israelis and Palestinians to stop killing each
other in his name. That would be nice.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "bob young" |
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12 Oct 2003 08:05:18 PM |
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"Thomas P." wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:32:14 GMT, (Craig Chilton)
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:36:10 -0400,
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Therion Ware wrote:
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter
of fact, that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least
beyond reasonable dispute, that would convince you
believers that there is no God.
As a related question, what would convince you believers that
*some other* God is the One True God?
Getting specific: What would convince the "True Believers" that
I am God?
Stand on a mountainside and turn into a burning bush?
Or... maybe, point at Ground Zero and make the World Trade
Towers reappear, fully intact.
Point out over the Pacific Ocean and create a bridge from
L.A. to Tokyo, via Honolulu and Guam.
Create an express elevator to a geostationary satellite?
Move Machu Picchu to the top of Mount Ararat?
Gosh... there're quite a few things you could do that SHOULD
be real convincers... :)
The Christian god might try a few of them. He could, for example,
personally tell the Israelis and Palestinians to stop killing each
other in his name. That would be nice.
whereas in reality it is an imaginary god which drives them to kill innocents
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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12 Oct 2003 09:40:44 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:31 +0200,
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Therion Ware wrote:
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter
of fact, that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least
beyond reasonable dispute, that would convince you
believers that there is no God.
As a related question, what would convince you believers that
*some other* God is the One True God?
Getting specific: What would convince the "True Believers" that
I am God?
Stand on a mountainside and turn into a burning bush?
Or... maybe, point at Ground Zero and make the World Trade
Towers reappear, fully intact.
Point out over the Pacific Ocean and create a bridge from
L.A. to Tokyo, via Honolulu and Guam.
Create an express elevator to a geostationary satellite?
Move Machu Picchu to the top of Mount Ararat?
Gosh... there're quite a few things you could do that SHOULD
be real convincers... :)
The Christian God might try a few of them. He could, for example,
personally tell the Israelis and Palestinians to stop killing each
other in his name. That would be nice.
Yes!! **That** would be VERY nice!!!
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a
long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools of the Styx; that so many
thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even
children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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12 Oct 2003 11:06:02 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:40:44 GMT, (Craig Chilton)
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:31 +0200,
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Therion Ware wrote:
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter
of fact, that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least
beyond reasonable dispute, that would convince you
believers that there is no God.
As a related question, what would convince you believers that
*some other* God is the One True God?
Getting specific: What would convince the "True Believers" that
I am God?
Stand on a mountainside and turn into a burning bush?
Or... maybe, point at Ground Zero and make the World Trade
Towers reappear, fully intact.
Point out over the Pacific Ocean and create a bridge from
L.A. to Tokyo, via Honolulu and Guam.
Create an express elevator to a geostationary satellite?
Move Machu Picchu to the top of Mount Ararat?
Gosh... there're quite a few things you could do that SHOULD
be real convincers... :)
The Christian God might try a few of them. He could, for example,
personally tell the Israelis and Palestinians to stop killing each
other in his name. That would be nice.
Yes!! **That** would be VERY nice!!!
And every bit as likely as Kansan's worldview having anything to do
with reality.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "bob young" |
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11 Oct 2003 08:02:18 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
As a related question, what would convince you believers that *some other* God is
the One True God?
Start with these:
Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Rhea, Saturn, Set,
Selene, Shango, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus,and Lint® the Laundry God.
African gods [note the number of ‘supreme’]
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
bob
Hong Kong
"It would be very nice if there were a God who created the world and was a
benevolent providence, and if there were a moral order in the universe and an
after-life; but it is a very striking fact that all this is exactly as we are bound
to wish it to be."
[Sigmund Freud]
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10 Oct 2003 05:43:20 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:35:54 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <3F86EDFA.16EE14E6@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
Therion Ware wrote:
Message originates from alt.atheism. You have been warned!
We Godless atheists are sometimes asked by believers of various
stripe: "what would convince you there is a God?".
By the same token I'm curious to know is there is any matter of fact,
that if shown beyond any doubt to be true, or at least beyond
reasonable dispute, that would convince you believers that there is no
God.
As a related question, what would convince you believers that *some other* God is
the One True God?
Both are excellant questions, but I would suggest changing "some other
God' to "God(s)/Goddess(es)."
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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