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"Budikka666" |
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23 Aug 2007 04:28:06 PM |
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Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:
http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
23 Aug 2007 08:32:09 PM |
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In article <1187904486.468755.205900@r23g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Chronicle of Higher Education
Now there's a publication always worth a browse. Thanks for the link.
--
655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
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| User: "Xtrchessreal" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
23 Aug 2007 09:12:29 PM |
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On Aug 23, 3:28 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
Number 4 is vague to me, I am not sure what he is trying to say.
Anyone care to rephrase it for me so I can understand that better. I
think sometimes people assume the reader will know a passing reference
to some other idea and not take care to be clear of what they are
actually stating. Then again I am not very well read in general and
it can be my brain not accepting what I am seeing.
X
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
24 Aug 2007 04:48:11 AM |
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Xtrchessreal <XtrChessr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Number 4 is vague to me, I am not sure what he
is trying to say.
"I performed the experiment 25 times, always with
the same results, and I even had a friend who is
a PHD at a prestigious univeristy try it, and they
confirmed all my results!"
The paranormal folks are famous for this sort of
thing. I can recall one night, listening to the
Coast to Coast AM radio show, one nut kept
going on & on about witnesses for THIS or
witnesses for THAT, yet there was not a single
shred of evidence.... not even a statement by one
of these imaginary witnesses.
Apparently everything occured on a government
site (though not always a U.S. government site),
and it was all hushed up, the witnesses sworn to
secrecy.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
24 Aug 2007 05:51:40 PM |
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On Aug 23, 10:12 pm, Xtrchessreal <XtrChessr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 23, 3:28 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
Number 4 is vague to me, I am not sure what he is trying to say.
Anyone care to rephrase it for me so I can understand that better.
"I *know* it really happened because my cousin was there, an' he sez
that it was all COOL and everything!"
<g>
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
24 Aug 2007 05:24:53 PM |
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On Aug 23, 9:12 pm, Xtrchessreal <XtrChessr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 23, 3:28 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
Number 4 is vague to me, I am not sure what he is trying to say.
Anyone care to rephrase it for me so I can understand that better. I
think sometimes people assume the reader will know a passing reference
to some other idea and not take care to be clear of what they are
actually stating. Then again I am not very well read in general and
it can be my brain not accepting what I am seeing.
I know that feeling. It gets worse at the end of the work-week, too!
It basically means folk tales - stories that people tell, where there
are no witnesses, no scientific evidence, just twice-told tales,
rumors, "old-wives" tales, hearsay evidence, that kind of thing.
Budikka
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
24 Aug 2007 04:34:35 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:12:29 -0000, Xtrchessreal
<XtrChessreal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 23, 3:28 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
Number 4 is vague to me, I am not sure what he is trying to say.
Anyone care to rephrase it for me so I can understand that better. I
think sometimes people assume the reader will know a passing reference
to some other idea and not take care to be clear of what they are
actually stating. Then again I am not very well read in general and
it can be my brain not accepting what I am seeing.
X
"Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal" =
There is no 'hard' evidence for the discovery whatsoever.
The *strongest* evidence for it is the testimony of unqualified
people.
Eg: "The local geography teacher has seen my perpetal motion machine
work, as has the postman"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
23 Aug 2007 04:53:32 PM |
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On Aug 23, 5:28 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
Very good! I've been trying to find a simple way of expressing the
above for years, and had been failing. Nice find.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
23 Aug 2007 10:18:02 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:06 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:
http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
I recall a "kook scoring" system along similar lines. It may have been in
the Skeptic magazine web site. I seem to recall Dr. Park's name being
associated with it. One of the items that increased the likelyhood of
being a kook was "compares self to Einstein."
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
24 Aug 2007 05:32:54 PM |
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On Aug 23, 10:18 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:06 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:
http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
I recall a "kook scoring" system along similar lines. It may have been in
the Skeptic magazine web site. I seem to recall Dr. Park's name being
associated with it. One of the items that increased the likelyhood of
being a kook was "compares self to Einstein."
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
In "The Demon Haunted World" Carl Sagan discussed a "Baloney Detection
Kit" which is also very useful and which is reproduced here:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html
Budikka
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
25 Aug 2007 07:47:10 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:32:54 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
On Aug 23, 10:18 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:06 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:
http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
I recall a "kook scoring" system along similar lines. It may have been in
the Skeptic magazine web site. I seem to recall Dr. Park's name being
associated with it. One of the items that increased the likelyhood of
being a kook was "compares self to Einstein."
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
In "The Demon Haunted World" Carl Sagan discussed a "Baloney Detection
Kit" which is also very useful and which is reproduced here:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html
Xenu?
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
26 Aug 2007 04:27:06 PM |
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On Aug 25, 7:47 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:32:54 -0700, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net>
wrote:
On Aug 23, 10:18 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:06 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:
http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
I recall a "kook scoring" system along similar lines. It may have been in
the Skeptic magazine web site. I seem to recall Dr. Park's name being
associated with it. One of the items that increased the likelyhood of
being a kook was "compares self to Einstein."
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
In "The Demon Haunted World" Carl Sagan discussed a "Baloney Detection
Kit" which is also very useful and which is reproduced here:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html
Xenu?
Okay, you got me! I know Xenu is the fictitious alien in Scientology,
but beyond that I've no idea what your comment means!
Budikka
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
26 Aug 2007 09:14:29 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:27:06 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
On Aug 25, 7:47 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:32:54 -0700, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net>
wrote:
On Aug 23, 10:18 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:06 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:
http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
I recall a "kook scoring" system along similar lines. It may have been in
the Skeptic magazine web site. I seem to recall Dr. Park's name being
associated with it. One of the items that increased the likelyhood of
being a kook was "compares self to Einstein."
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
In "The Demon Haunted World" Carl Sagan discussed a "Baloney Detection
Kit" which is also very useful and which is reproduced here:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html
Xenu?
Okay, you got me! I know Xenu is the fictitious alien in Scientology,
but beyond that I've no idea what your comment means!
Look at the domain name of the web page that you gave!
Carl Sagan being hosted on Xenu.net?
Dissonance personified!
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Seven Signs Someone Is Promoting Crank Science |
27 Aug 2007 04:50:36 AM |
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On Aug 26, 9:14 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:27:06 -0700, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net>
wrote:
On Aug 25, 7:47 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:32:54 -0700, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net>
wrote:
On Aug 23, 10:18 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:06 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
Robert Park, in an essay for the Chronicle of Higher Education in
January, 2003, revealed 7 warning signs that bogus Science is afoot:
http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i21/21b02001.htm
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.
2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to
suppress his or her work.
3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of
detection.
4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.
5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for
centuries.
6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.
7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an
observation.
Budikka
I recall a "kook scoring" system along similar lines. It may have been in
the Skeptic magazine web site. I seem to recall Dr. Park's name being
associated with it. One of the items that increased the likelyhood of
being a kook was "compares self to Einstein."
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
In "The Demon Haunted World" Carl Sagan discussed a "Baloney Detection
Kit" which is also very useful and which is reproduced here:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html
Xenu?
Okay, you got me! I know Xenu is the fictitious alien in Scientology,
but beyond that I've no idea what your comment means!
Look at the domain name of the web page that you gave!
Carl Sagan being hosted on Xenu.net?
Dissonance personified!
O-o-o-o-kay! I don't think we need to shoot the messenger on those
grounds, though!
Budikka
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