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"Elroy Willis" |
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28 Sep 2005 04:25:47 PM |
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Seventh Year Stuff |
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
28 Sep 2005 04:42:11 PM |
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Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Jews and Christians apparently must follow that procedure; after
all, it's in their set of regulations handed down from the almighty
elohim themselves. I bet a lot of people think the farmers in the
heartland let their fields go because the government pays them to,
but actually it's fear of stoning.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
30 Sep 2005 01:40:51 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:42:11 -0400, "Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com>
wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Jews and Christians apparently must follow that procedure; after
all, it's in their set of regulations handed down from the almighty
elohim themselves. I bet a lot of people think the farmers in the
heartland let their fields go because the government pays them to,
but actually it's fear of stoning.
[snicker]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
28 Sep 2005 04:54:51 PM |
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Witziges Rätsel <zer@roer.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Jews and Christians apparently must follow that procedure; after
all, it's in their set of regulations handed down from the almighty
elohim themselves. I bet a lot of people think the farmers in the
heartland let their fields go because the government pays them to,
but actually it's fear of stoning.
I know that some farmers rotate their crops, and some of them leave
part of the edges of the field for wildlife, but I don't know how
many. Some of the best quail and pheasant hunting I've done was in
fields that farmers intentionally left parts of the field unplowed
down the middle and along the edges. Too bad more of them don't do
it, imo.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
28 Sep 2005 04:43:45 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:2b2mj11djc8har04pc593evkeboo7tp5fs@4ax.com:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
It's a fairly standard agricultural practice to let a field lie fallow
for one season out of some number. It can lead to erosion of the
unplanted field, so another form is crop rotation, where the farmer
alternates crops in different fields so as to keep down crop-specific
diseases and pests.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
28 Sep 2005 05:23:39 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
It's a fairly standard agricultural practice to let a field lie fallow
for one season out of some number. It can lead to erosion of the
unplanted field, so another form is crop rotation, where the farmer
alternates crops in different fields so as to keep down crop-specific
diseases and pests.
Certain crops suck more specific minerals out of the soil, so rotating
ones which use different minerals helps to maintain a better balance
as well.
It's not a bad idea, actually. I wasn't ridiculing it, just wondering
how many farmers followed it these days, and if they actually used 7
as the fallow divisor.
I thought there might be a tie to the 7-year locust plagues in some
way. If a farmer observed the law, and let the field lie fallow every
seventh year, and some locusts evolved in which the eggs hatch in
those years when the field was lying fallow, then they'd have a nice
food supply when they emerged from their 7-year sleep.
Quit following the law, and your nice crop of grain goes down the
drain every seventh year...
Far fetched, ya think?
I wonder if the Egyptians followed some version of that law, do you
know?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Sep 2005 06:28:33 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:st4mj1ttge6pn6o36be2huv9ilom2okcdp@4ax.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops,
but during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused.
Then the poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild
animals may eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and
your olive grove."
It's a fairly standard agricultural practice to let a field lie
fallow for one season out of some number. It can lead to erosion of
the unplanted field, so another form is crop rotation, where the
farmer alternates crops in different fields so as to keep down
crop-specific diseases and pests.
Certain crops suck more specific minerals out of the soil, so rotating
ones which use different minerals helps to maintain a better balance
as well.
Alternating grain with legumes helps by fixing nitrogen too.
It's not a bad idea, actually. I wasn't ridiculing it, just wondering
how many farmers followed it these days, and if they actually used 7
as the fallow divisor.
I think a two or three year cycle is more common. Farms actually get
federal subsidies for *not* planting acreage, so it's probably done a
lot even on the big monoculture corporate farms.
I thought there might be a tie to the 7-year locust plagues in some
way. If a farmer observed the law, and let the field lie fallow every
seventh year, and some locusts evolved in which the eggs hatch in
those years when the field was lying fallow, then they'd have a nice
food supply when they emerged from their 7-year sleep.
It would only encourage locusts that were out-of-phase by a year.
Quit following the law, and your nice crop of grain goes down the
drain every seventh year...
Far fetched, ya think?
Hmm, biblical numerology, I wonder.
I wonder if the Egyptians followed some version of that law, do you
know?
Dunno.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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29 Sep 2005 08:02:05 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:2b2mj11djc8har04pc593evkeboo7tp5fs@4ax.com:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
It's a fairly standard agricultural practice to let a field lie fallow
for one season out of some number. It can lead to erosion of the
unplanted field, so another form is crop rotation, where the farmer
alternates crops in different fields so as to keep down crop-specific
diseases and pests.
Crop rotation is not what God's Holy Word demands. The fields are to be left
untilled and unplanted, with all that grows thereupon free for taking by
anyone who wanders by, no matter whether the crop is grapes, olives or
wheat, and arguably also apples, walnuts, cherries, blackberries, etc.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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29 Sep 2005 08:44:38 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Fred Stone wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
It's a fairly standard agricultural practice to let a field lie fallow
for one season out of some number. It can lead to erosion of the
unplanted field, so another form is crop rotation, where the farmer
alternates crops in different fields so as to keep down crop-specific
diseases and pests.
Crop rotation is not what God's Holy Word demands. The fields are to be left
untilled and unplanted, with all that grows thereupon free for taking by
anyone who wanders by, no matter whether the crop is grapes, olives or
wheat, and arguably also apples, walnuts, cherries, blackberries, etc.
What would stop some passers-by from cleaning out the field and
selling the extra that they couldn't eat? Do the farmers guard the
fields, making sure no one carries any of the food away?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
29 Sep 2005 08:48:24 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Fred Stone wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
It's a fairly standard agricultural practice to let a field lie fallow
for one season out of some number. It can lead to erosion of the
unplanted field, so another form is crop rotation, where the farmer
alternates crops in different fields so as to keep down crop-specific
diseases and pests.
Crop rotation is not what God's Holy Word demands. The fields are to be left
untilled and unplanted, with all that grows thereupon free for taking by
anyone who wanders by, no matter whether the crop is grapes, olives or
wheat, and arguably also apples, walnuts, cherries, blackberries, etc.
What would stop some passers-by from cleaning out the field and
selling the extra that they couldn't eat? Do the farmers guard the
fields, making sure no one carries any of the food away?
As far as I know, absolutely nothing. But I don't see anything in God's Holy Law
about checking income statements to make sure that only the "poor among your
people" take your crops.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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29 Sep 2005 09:30:56 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Fred Stone wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
It's a fairly standard agricultural practice to let a field lie fallow
for one season out of some number. It can lead to erosion of the
unplanted field, so another form is crop rotation, where the farmer
alternates crops in different fields so as to keep down crop-specific
diseases and pests.
Crop rotation is not what God's Holy Word demands. The fields are to
be left untilled and unplanted, with all that grows thereupon free for
taking by anyone who wanders by, no matter whether the crop is grapes,
olives or wheat, and arguably also apples, walnuts, cherries, blackberries,
etc.
What would stop some passers-by from cleaning out the field and
selling the extra that they couldn't eat? Do the farmers guard the
fields, making sure no one carries any of the food away?
As far as I know, absolutely nothing. But I don't see anything in God's
Holy Law about checking income statements to make sure that only
the "poor among your people" take your crops.
I might be wrong here, but one of the links I just finished reading
sounded like the fallow law only applied to the Jews themselves. IOW,
a Gentile couldn't wander into a Jewish field or vineyard or olive
orchard and eat whatever they wanted for free every seven years.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Sep 2005 01:42:58 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:30:56 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Fred Stone wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
It's a fairly standard agricultural practice to let a field lie fallow
for one season out of some number. It can lead to erosion of the
unplanted field, so another form is crop rotation, where the farmer
alternates crops in different fields so as to keep down crop-specific
diseases and pests.
Crop rotation is not what God's Holy Word demands. The fields are to
be left untilled and unplanted, with all that grows thereupon free for
taking by anyone who wanders by, no matter whether the crop is grapes,
olives or wheat, and arguably also apples, walnuts, cherries, blackberries,
etc.
What would stop some passers-by from cleaning out the field and
selling the extra that they couldn't eat? Do the farmers guard the
fields, making sure no one carries any of the food away?
As far as I know, absolutely nothing. But I don't see anything in God's
Holy Law about checking income statements to make sure that only
the "poor among your people" take your crops.
I might be wrong here, but one of the links I just finished reading
sounded like the fallow law only applied to the Jews themselves. IOW,
a Gentile couldn't wander into a Jewish field or vineyard or olive
orchard and eat whatever they wanted for free every seven years.
They use what they want and disregard the rest.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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28 Sep 2005 04:30:44 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Nope. It doesn't conveniently fall in with already held beliefs. It is
therefore one of those parts that inexplicably doesn't apply to today.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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28 Sep 2005 05:03:49 PM |
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Chris Johnson <effigies@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Nope. It doesn't conveniently fall in with already held beliefs. It is
therefore one of those parts that inexplicably doesn't apply to today.
From:
http://www.gemsinisrael.com/e_article000033155.htm
"For a wine to be kosher, strict regulations must be followed. It
really all begins in the fields. Grapes from new vines may not be used
for making wine, until after the fourth year. Every seventh year the
fields must be left fallow and there is a prohibition on growing other
fruits and vegetables between the vines."
Looks like some modern Jewish wineries actually follow the above law.
This part is interesting:
"For wine to be kosher one percent of the wine must be discarded, a
symbolic remnant of the 10% tithe, paid to the Temple in Jerusalem in
days gone by."
I wonder why they divided by 10 instead of 100?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Sep 2005 01:40:06 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
No.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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28 Sep 2005 06:37:26 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
That's standard pre-chemical farming. They would rotate crops every
year and then leave the field to lie fallow for a year. Nothing to do
with Exodus.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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29 Sep 2005 08:03:26 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
That's standard pre-chemical farming. They would rotate crops every
year and then leave the field to lie fallow for a year. Nothing to do
with Exodus.
Except that God is NOT demanding crop rotation. He is demanding that the
fields be left untilled with everything growing on it open for all and
sundry to take what they need.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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29 Sep 2005 09:21:31 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:433BE61E.DD1D5FE8@serv.net:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops,
but during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused.
Then the poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild
animals may eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and
your olive grove."
That's standard pre-chemical farming. They would rotate crops every
year and then leave the field to lie fallow for a year. Nothing to do
with Exodus.
Except that God is NOT demanding crop rotation. He is demanding that
the fields be left untilled with everything growing on it open for all
and sundry to take what they need.
That basically boils down to crop rotation, with weeds as the crop.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“He who is kind to the cruel ends up being cruel to the kind.”
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
29 Sep 2005 09:43:17 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops,
but during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused.
Then the poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild
animals may eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and
your olive grove."
That's standard pre-chemical farming. They would rotate crops every
year and then leave the field to lie fallow for a year. Nothing to do
with Exodus.
Except that God is NOT demanding crop rotation. He is demanding that
the fields be left untilled with everything growing on it open for all
and sundry to take what they need.
That basically boils down to crop rotation, with weeds as the crop.
In a grain field, lots of the grain seeds end up trampled into the
soil during harvest, so would it be mostly weeds if left fallow for a
year?
There would certainly be some weeds but would they overtake the field?
A vineyard would be a bit different than a grain field since you don't
just plow it all under and replant each year. I imagine the people
who actually follow that law have a tough 8th year in the vineyards...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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29 Sep 2005 10:17:22 AM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:uvunj1t7cricj5h4hk8e05c33e9nes3cgv@4ax.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops,
but during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused.
Then the poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild
animals may eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard
and your olive grove."
That's standard pre-chemical farming. They would rotate crops every
year and then leave the field to lie fallow for a year. Nothing to
do with Exodus.
Except that God is NOT demanding crop rotation. He is demanding that
the fields be left untilled with everything growing on it open for
all and sundry to take what they need.
That basically boils down to crop rotation, with weeds as the crop.
In a grain field, lots of the grain seeds end up trampled into the
soil during harvest, so would it be mostly weeds if left fallow for a
year?
There would certainly be some weeds but would they overtake the field?
I suppose you're right, although weeds are weeds because they're very
good at quickly propagating and taking over fields.
A vineyard would be a bit different than a grain field since you don't
just plow it all under and replant each year. I imagine the people
who actually follow that law have a tough 8th year in the vineyards...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“He who is kind to the cruel ends up being cruel to the kind.”
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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29 Sep 2005 08:20:25 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:03:26 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
That's standard pre-chemical farming. They would rotate crops every
year and then leave the field to lie fallow for a year. Nothing to do
with Exodus.
Except that God is NOT demanding crop rotation. He is demanding that the
fields be left untilled with everything growing on it open for all and
sundry to take what they need.
It's still the fallow year even if the crops aren't rotated. The
animals manure the field.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
29 Sep 2005 08:49:35 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:03:26 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
That's standard pre-chemical farming. They would rotate crops every
year and then leave the field to lie fallow for a year. Nothing to do
with Exodus.
Except that God is NOT demanding crop rotation. He is demanding that the
fields be left untilled with everything growing on it open for all and
sundry to take what they need.
It's still the fallow year even if the crops aren't rotated. The
animals manure the field.
All I'm saying is that planting soybeans instead of wheat would not meet this
divine command. :-)
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
29 Sep 2005 09:36:27 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
That's standard pre-chemical farming. They would rotate crops every
year and then leave the field to lie fallow for a year. Nothing to do
with Exodus.
Except that God is NOT demanding crop rotation. He is demanding
that the fields be left untilled with everything growing on it open for all
and sundry to take what they need.
It's still the fallow year even if the crops aren't rotated. The
animals manure the field.
All I'm saying is that planting soybeans instead of wheat would not
meet this divine command. :-)
It's not the same thing, I agree. Somehow, crop rotation entered the
discussion and the meanings got muddled with talk of manure.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "JPG" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
29 Sep 2005 03:41:39 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Most farmers, in Europe at least, used to crop-rotate their fields. Wheat one
year, potatoes the next, cattle grazing the next, barley, then perhaps lying
fallow, allowing the soil to recover. There were good agricultural reasons for
this and this is probably where the bible writers get it from. It doesn't have
to be seven years and many mechanised farmers do not do it now, as chemical
fertilisers produce more yield.
Certain "organic" farmers and smallholders (peasant farmers) may still use crop
rotation.
JPG
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
29 Sep 2005 04:25:07 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:41:39 +0100 in alt.atheism, JPG (JPG
<me@privacy.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Most farmers, in Europe at least, used to crop-rotate their fields. Wheat one
year, potatoes the next, cattle grazing the next, barley, then perhaps lying
fallow, allowing the soil to recover. There were good agricultural reasons for
this and this is probably where the bible writers get it from. It doesn't have
to be seven years and many mechanised farmers do not do it now, as chemical
fertilisers produce more yield.
Certain "organic" farmers and smallholders (peasant farmers) may still use crop
rotation.
Wiki has (oddly!) an interesting bit about this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_rotation particularly with respect
to the four field system.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
29 Sep 2005 08:03:50 AM |
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JPG wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:25:47 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Most farmers, in Europe at least, used to crop-rotate their fields. Wheat one
year, potatoes the next, cattle grazing the next, barley, then perhaps lying
fallow, allowing the soil to recover. There were good agricultural reasons for
this and this is probably where the bible writers get it from. It doesn't have
to be seven years and many mechanised farmers do not do it now, as chemical
fertilisers produce more yield.
Certain "organic" farmers and smallholders (peasant farmers) may still use crop
rotation.
This has nothing to do with crop rotation.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Seventh Year Stuff |
29 Sep 2005 09:22:46 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism
JPG wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Anybody know any people or cults who follow this commandment?
Exodus 23:10-11
"For six years you are to sow your fields and harvest the crops, but
during the seventh year let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the
poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may
eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive
grove."
Most farmers, in Europe at least, used to crop-rotate their fields. Wheat one
year, potatoes the next, cattle grazing the next, barley, then perhaps lying
fallow, allowing the soil to recover. There were good agricultural reasons for
this and this is probably where the bible writers get it from. It doesn't have
to be seven years and many mechanised farmers do not do it now, as chemical
fertilisers produce more yield.
Certain "organic" farmers and smallholders (peasant farmers) may still use crop
rotation.
This has nothing to do with crop rotation.
Apparently, all of Israel is on the same 7-year cycle, with all of its
farmers leaving their fields fallow during the same year. Or at least
they're supposed to...
From:
http://www.ou.org/torah/savannah/5761/bharbchuk61b.htm
"If you thought Shabbos was a radical concept, resting from all
creative physical labor every seventh day, then you're going to love
this one! The first mitzvah in this week's parsha is called Shemita.
It is a commandment to refrain from working our fields in the Land of
Israel every seventh year. Not for a day. Not for a week. For a whole
year! (This is the Biblical source for professors taking sabbaticals.
It's the only Torah concept academia doesn't care to challenge.) And
not only may we not work the land, planting or pruning; we are
commanded to open our fields to whomever might want to wander in and
eat the fruits that grow by themselves. For the Shemita year, we have
no more rights in our own fields than any other Jew."
Does this apply to Gentiles, or just Jews? Can a Gentile wander into
a Jewish-owned vineyard and eat the grapes every 7 years?
"Oh, and did we forget to mention that this year (5761, 2000-2001) is
a Shemita year in the Land of Israel, and thousands of Jewish farmers
have put down their hoes for a year of spiritual pursuits, striving to
fulfill the demanding dictate of G-d recorded in our parsha."
I'm curious if I can find some actual statistics which show that
agricultural exports from Israel were nearly 0 in 2000-2001...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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