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Religions > Atheism |
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"Michelle Malkin" |
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13 Feb 2006 07:01:33 PM |
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Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
Merely opposing government policies and expressing a desire to change course
"does not provide reason to believe that a person is involved in illegal
subversive activity," he said. Bingaman said such investigations raise "a
very real possibility of chilling legitimate political speech."
Laura Berg, a clinical nurse specialist for 15 years, wrote a letter in
September to a weekly Albuquerque newspaper criticizing how the
administration handled Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq Wwr. She urged people
to "act forcefully" by bringing criminal charges against top administration
officials, including the president, to remove them from power because they
played games of "vicious deceit." She added: "This country needs to get out
of Iraq now and return to our original vision and priorities of caring for
land and people and resources rather than killing for oil....Otherwise, many
more of us will be facing living hell in these times."
The agency seized her office computer and launched an investigation. Berg is
not talking to the press, but reportedly fears losing her job.
Bingaman wrote: "In a democracy, expressing disagreement with the
government's actions does not amount to sedition or insurrection. It is, and
must remain, protected speech. Although it may be permissible to implement
restrictions regarding a government employee's political activities during
work hours or on government premises, such employees do not surrender their
right to freedom of speech when they enlist in government service."
He said he wants the matter investigated so V.A. officials will have
guidance about handling similar situations in the future.
Berg signed the letter as a private citizen, and the V.A. had no reason to
suspect she used government resources to write it, according to the American
Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico, which last week asked the government to
apologize to Berg for seizing her computer and investigating her.
V.A. human resources chief Mel Hooker had said in a Nov. 9 letter that his
agency was obligated to investigate "any act which potentially represents
sedition," the ACLU said.
Peter Simonson, executive director of the ACLU of New Mexico, told The
Progressive magazine: "We were shocked to see the word 'sedition' used.
Sedition? That's like something out of the history books."
In a press release, Simonson also said: "Is this government so jealous of
its power, so fearful of dissent, that it needs to threaten people who
openly oppose its policies with charges of 'sedition'?"
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E&P Staff
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 09:21:53 AM |
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In <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
If I were her, he would be *so sued.
Sedition. Sheesh.
Next they'll just openly outlaw criticism of The Party...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Wunderkind" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 06:18:16 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
If I were her, he would be *so sued.
Sedition. Sheesh.
Next they'll just openly outlaw criticism of The Party...
That's double plus ungood.
WK
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| User: "Steve Mading" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 04:30:40 PM |
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On 2006-02-14, Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
If I were her, he would be *so sued.
Yeah, but what happens when the case escalates to the Supreme Court?
(The hand-picked pro-administration Supreme Court.)
One of the scariest things about the current political mess in the
US is that the very branch of government that is supposed to handle
reigning in government when government gets unconstitutional- the
branch you're supposed to take these kinds of complaints to - is
now pro-dictatorship, and will be for years until some of the judges
die of old-age.
(The biggest flaw in the 3-branch system we have in the US is that
the surpreme court is a for-life position. It shouldn't be.)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
15 Feb 2006 08:14:40 AM |
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In <slrndv4luu.6tf.madings@crayfish.bmrb.wisc.edu>, Steve Mading
<madings@crayfish.bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote:
On 2006-02-14, Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
If I were her, he would be *so sued.
Yeah, but what happens when the case escalates to the Supreme Court? (The
hand-picked pro-administration Supreme Court.)
One of the scariest things about the current political mess in the US is
that the very branch of government that is supposed to handle reigning in
government when government gets unconstitutional- the branch you're
supposed to take these kinds of complaints to - is now pro-dictatorship,
and will be for years until some of the judges die of old-age.
(The biggest flaw in the 3-branch system we have in the US is that the
surpreme court is a for-life position. It shouldn't be.)
Actually, the failure is in the *ultimate power to reign in the government:
The freakin' public letting all this ***** happen to begin with.
The president admits on national TV to breaking the law and adds "neener,
neener!" The public changes channels to see what Britney Spears is up to
lately.
Situation like that, there's not much you can do...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Feb 2006 10:11:03 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:30:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Mading
<madings@crayfish.bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
On 2006-02-14, Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
If I were her, he would be *so sued.
Yeah, but what happens when the case escalates to the Supreme Court?
(The hand-picked pro-administration Supreme Court.)
One of the scariest things about the current political mess in the
US is that the very branch of government that is supposed to handle
reigning in government when government gets unconstitutional- the
branch you're supposed to take these kinds of complaints to - is
now pro-dictatorship, and will be for years until some of the judges
die of old-age.
(The biggest flaw in the 3-branch system we have in the US is that
the surpreme court is a for-life position. It shouldn't be.)
Disagree. It should be, however, it was never expected that one party
would be able to grab full control of the system as the traitorous
Rethugnicans have and eliminate the check portion of the system.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 04:54:58 PM |
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Steve Mading wrote:
(The biggest flaw in the 3-branch system we have in the US is that
the surpreme court is a for-life position. It shouldn't be.)
I strongly disagree. For all the flaws in our appointed-for-life federal
judges, think of how much worse it would be if judges had to pay attention
to popular opinion and canvass for campaign contributions from
corporations, political parties and other special interest groups. I live
in a state where judges are elected; I have a 50-yard line view of the
problems that elected judges bring.
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
KiltWear - http://www.cafepress.com/KiltWear
"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in
the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary,
self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny." - James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 11:24:21 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:21:53 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in article <6dqdnXpk39kMaGzeRVn-tA@megapath.net>):
In <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
If I were her, he would be *so sued.
Sedition. Sheesh.
Next they'll just openly outlaw criticism of The Party...
What the hell is it with some folks? I remember all the crap being said
during the Clinton years, and the Carter/Ford/Kennedy/Johnson/etc. years and
not once did I ever hear the word 'sedition' being used by either side.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³I was raised Southern Baptist, brat; I cut my eyeteeth in the revival tent
circuit. I ate breakfast with all the saints, and know 'em by their first
names. I sweetened my cereal with brimstone and kept warm by hellfire on
cold winter mornings.³ - Kermit
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
15 Feb 2006 10:08:13 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:24:21 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:21:53 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in article <6dqdnXpk39kMaGzeRVn-tA@megapath.net>):
In <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
If I were her, he would be *so sued.
Sedition. Sheesh.
Next they'll just openly outlaw criticism of The Party...
What the hell is it with some folks? I remember all the crap being said
during the Clinton years, and the Carter/Ford/Kennedy/Johnson/etc. years and
not once did I ever hear the word 'sedition' being used by either side.
It's the questioning of King George and his court which 'cannot be
tolerated®'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 12:44:40 AM |
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In article <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
Merely opposing government policies and expressing a desire to change course
"does not provide reason to believe that a person is involved in illegal
subversive activity," he said. Bingaman said such investigations raise "a
very real possibility of chilling legitimate political speech."
Laura Berg, a clinical nurse specialist for 15 years, wrote a letter in
September to a weekly Albuquerque newspaper criticizing how the
administration handled Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq Wwr. She urged people
to "act forcefully" by bringing criminal charges against top administration
officials, including the president, to remove them from power because they
played games of "vicious deceit." She added: "This country needs to get out
of Iraq now and return to our original vision and priorities of caring for
land and people and resources rather than killing for oil....Otherwise, many
more of us will be facing living hell in these times."
The agency seized her office computer and launched an investigation. Berg is
not talking to the press, but reportedly fears losing her job.
Bingaman wrote: "In a democracy, expressing disagreement with the
government's actions does not amount to sedition or insurrection. It is, and
must remain, protected speech. Although it may be permissible to implement
restrictions regarding a government employee's political activities during
work hours or on government premises, such employees do not surrender their
right to freedom of speech when they enlist in government service."
He said he wants the matter investigated so V.A. officials will have
guidance about handling similar situations in the future.
Berg signed the letter as a private citizen, and the V.A. had no reason to
suspect she used government resources to write it, according to the American
Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico, which last week asked the government to
apologize to Berg for seizing her computer and investigating her.
V.A. human resources chief Mel Hooker had said in a Nov. 9 letter that his
agency was obligated to investigate "any act which potentially represents
sedition," the ACLU said.
Peter Simonson, executive director of the ACLU of New Mexico, told The
Progressive magazine: "We were shocked to see the word 'sedition' used.
Sedition? That's like something out of the history books."
In a press release, Simonson also said: "Is this government so jealous of
its power, so fearful of dissent, that it needs to threaten people who
openly oppose its policies with charges of 'sedition'?"
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E&P Staff
I know. We just went through a time warp and it's 1798 all over again.
How's the revolution going in France?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Olrik" |
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14 Feb 2006 10:53:04 PM |
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johac wrote:
In article <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
Merely opposing government policies and expressing a desire to change course
"does not provide reason to believe that a person is involved in illegal
subversive activity," he said. Bingaman said such investigations raise "a
very real possibility of chilling legitimate political speech."
Laura Berg, a clinical nurse specialist for 15 years, wrote a letter in
September to a weekly Albuquerque newspaper criticizing how the
administration handled Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq Wwr. She urged people
to "act forcefully" by bringing criminal charges against top administration
officials, including the president, to remove them from power because they
played games of "vicious deceit." She added: "This country needs to get out
of Iraq now and return to our original vision and priorities of caring for
land and people and resources rather than killing for oil....Otherwise, many
more of us will be facing living hell in these times."
The agency seized her office computer and launched an investigation. Berg is
not talking to the press, but reportedly fears losing her job.
Bingaman wrote: "In a democracy, expressing disagreement with the
government's actions does not amount to sedition or insurrection. It is, and
must remain, protected speech. Although it may be permissible to implement
restrictions regarding a government employee's political activities during
work hours or on government premises, such employees do not surrender their
right to freedom of speech when they enlist in government service."
He said he wants the matter investigated so V.A. officials will have
guidance about handling similar situations in the future.
Berg signed the letter as a private citizen, and the V.A. had no reason to
suspect she used government resources to write it, according to the American
Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico, which last week asked the government to
apologize to Berg for seizing her computer and investigating her.
V.A. human resources chief Mel Hooker had said in a Nov. 9 letter that his
agency was obligated to investigate "any act which potentially represents
sedition," the ACLU said.
Peter Simonson, executive director of the ACLU of New Mexico, told The
Progressive magazine: "We were shocked to see the word 'sedition' used.
Sedition? That's like something out of the history books."
In a press release, Simonson also said: "Is this government so jealous of
its power, so fearful of dissent, that it needs to threaten people who
openly oppose its policies with charges of 'sedition'?"
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E&P Staff
I know. We just went through a time warp and it's 1798 all over again.
How's the revolution going in France?
Still eating cake, I'd guess.
;-)
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Feb 2006 12:09:52 AM |
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In article <ysyIf.62976$nH1.669311@wagner.videotron.net>,
Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
Merely opposing government policies and expressing a desire to change
course
"does not provide reason to believe that a person is involved in illegal
subversive activity," he said. Bingaman said such investigations raise "a
very real possibility of chilling legitimate political speech."
Laura Berg, a clinical nurse specialist for 15 years, wrote a letter in
September to a weekly Albuquerque newspaper criticizing how the
administration handled Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq Wwr. She urged
people
to "act forcefully" by bringing criminal charges against top
administration
officials, including the president, to remove them from power because they
played games of "vicious deceit." She added: "This country needs to get
out
of Iraq now and return to our original vision and priorities of caring for
land and people and resources rather than killing for oil....Otherwise,
many
more of us will be facing living hell in these times."
The agency seized her office computer and launched an investigation. Berg
is
not talking to the press, but reportedly fears losing her job.
Bingaman wrote: "In a democracy, expressing disagreement with the
government's actions does not amount to sedition or insurrection. It is,
and
must remain, protected speech. Although it may be permissible to implement
restrictions regarding a government employee's political activities during
work hours or on government premises, such employees do not surrender
their
right to freedom of speech when they enlist in government service."
He said he wants the matter investigated so V.A. officials will have
guidance about handling similar situations in the future.
Berg signed the letter as a private citizen, and the V.A. had no reason to
suspect she used government resources to write it, according to the
American
Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico, which last week asked the government
to
apologize to Berg for seizing her computer and investigating her.
V.A. human resources chief Mel Hooker had said in a Nov. 9 letter that his
agency was obligated to investigate "any act which potentially represents
sedition," the ACLU said.
Peter Simonson, executive director of the ACLU of New Mexico, told The
Progressive magazine: "We were shocked to see the word 'sedition' used.
Sedition? That's like something out of the history books."
In a press release, Simonson also said: "Is this government so jealous of
its power, so fearful of dissent, that it needs to threaten people who
openly oppose its policies with charges of 'sedition'?"
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E&P Staff
I know. We just went through a time warp and it's 1798 all over again.
How's the revolution going in France?
Still eating cake, I'd guess.
;-)
I hope they don't lose their heads. :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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14 Feb 2006 10:59:09 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
I know. We just went through a time warp and it's 1798 all over again.
How's the revolution going in France?
The peasants are revolting, but we knew that already.
Bob Dog
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Feb 2006 12:11:37 AM |
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In article <1139936349.287642.76500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
I know. We just went through a time warp and it's 1798 all over again.
How's the revolution going in France?
The peasants are revolting, but we knew that already.
Did they ever get their cake?
Bob Dog
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Feb 2006 10:06:52 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:11:37 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1139936349.287642.76500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
I know. We just went through a time warp and it's 1798 all over again.
How's the revolution going in France?
The peasants are revolting, but we knew that already.
Did they ever get their cake?
No, because it cost too much. Besides they're not people.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
16 Feb 2006 12:23:46 AM |
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In article <sbk6v194dcriipfmt4mje4nnr8q67u26qk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:11:37 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1139936349.287642.76500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs
Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation
into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
I know. We just went through a time warp and it's 1798 all over again.
How's the revolution going in France?
The peasants are revolting, but we knew that already.
Did they ever get their cake?
No, because it cost too much. Besides they're not people.
But they got ***** and lopped off the heads of their oppressors.
Now if Louis XIV and Marie Antoinette were smart, they would have blown
up Notre Dame, blamed it on Islamic terrorists and sent the peasants off
to invade Egypt, Turkey, or some such place.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
16 Feb 2006 10:40:03 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:23:46 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <sbk6v194dcriipfmt4mje4nnr8q67u26qk@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:11:37 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1139936349.287642.76500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <de-dnUKkn8t2tmzenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs
Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation
into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
I know. We just went through a time warp and it's 1798 all over again.
How's the revolution going in France?
The peasants are revolting, but we knew that already.
Did they ever get their cake?
No, because it cost too much. Besides they're not people.
But they got ***** and lopped off the heads of their oppressors.
Now if Louis XIV and Marie Antoinette were smart, they would have blown
up Notre Dame, blamed it on Islamic terrorists and sent the peasants off
to invade Egypt, Turkey, or some such place.
LOL
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 11:17:48 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
Merely opposing government policies and expressing a desire to change course
"does not provide reason to believe that a person is involved in illegal
subversive activity," he said. Bingaman said such investigations raise "a
very real possibility of chilling legitimate political speech."
<snip>
Peter Simonson, executive director of the ACLU of New Mexico, told The
Progressive magazine: "We were shocked to see the word 'sedition' used.
Sedition? That's like something out of the history books."
Jeb Bush and Diebold are the ones practicing sedition.
In a press release, Simonson also said: "Is this government so jealous of
its power, so fearful of dissent, that it needs to threaten people who
openly oppose its policies with charges of 'sedition'?"
My dictionary defines sedition as:
An illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority
and tending to cause the disruption or overthrow of the
government
She suggested removal of the government by arrest and trial,
not assassination and bombing. Since when is advocating the use
of legal means to remove the government an act of sedition?
I guess in a one-party state, it is. In the next US federal
election, there will only be one name on the ballot...kinda like
the election their old pal Saddam "won" a few years ago.
These same sorts of things happened during the October Crisis in
1970. Refusing to be critical of the FLQ, never mind supporting
them, could leave one subject to being arrested and held without
trial or access to lawyer under the War Measures Act. People
were held for months, often abused and tortured, without their
families being told anything.
There's nothing new under "le soleil"....
Bob Dog
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 04:47:55 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:01:33 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> thought hard and wrote:
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
By E&P Staff
Published: February 11, 2006 9:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary
James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into
whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush
administration amounted to "sedition."
Merely opposing government policies and expressing a desire to change course
"does not provide reason to believe that a person is involved in illegal
subversive activity," he said. Bingaman said such investigations raise "a
very real possibility of chilling legitimate political speech."
Laura Berg, a clinical nurse specialist for 15 years, wrote a letter in
September to a weekly Albuquerque newspaper criticizing how the
administration handled Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq Wwr. She urged people
to "act forcefully" by bringing criminal charges against top administration
officials, including the president, to remove them from power because they
played games of "vicious deceit." She added: "This country needs to get out
of Iraq now and return to our original vision and priorities of caring for
land and people and resources rather than killing for oil....Otherwise, many
more of us will be facing living hell in these times."
The agency seized her office computer and launched an investigation. Berg is
not talking to the press, but reportedly fears losing her job.
Bingaman wrote: "In a democracy, expressing disagreement with the
government's actions does not amount to sedition or insurrection. It is, and
must remain, protected speech. Although it may be permissible to implement
restrictions regarding a government employee's political activities during
work hours or on government premises, such employees do not surrender their
right to freedom of speech when they enlist in government service."
He said he wants the matter investigated so V.A. officials will have
guidance about handling similar situations in the future.
Berg signed the letter as a private citizen, and the V.A. had no reason to
suspect she used government resources to write it, according to the American
Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico, which last week asked the government to
apologize to Berg for seizing her computer and investigating her.
V.A. human resources chief Mel Hooker had said in a Nov. 9 letter that his
agency was obligated to investigate "any act which potentially represents
sedition," the ACLU said.
Peter Simonson, executive director of the ACLU of New Mexico, told The
Progressive magazine: "We were shocked to see the word 'sedition' used.
Sedition? That's like something out of the history books."
In a press release, Simonson also said: "Is this government so jealous of
its power, so fearful of dissent, that it needs to threaten people who
openly oppose its policies with charges of 'sedition'?"
I would find it amusing to see what Hugo Black would say now if he
were still alive. He wrote: Criticism of government finds sanctuary in
several portions of the 1st Amendment. It is part of the right of free
speech. It embraces freedom of the press.
But damnit, as my luck would have it, I cannot find the name
of the case.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
17 Feb 2006 10:36:59 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:01:33 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in alt.atheism
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
The Sedition Act hasn't been in force for over 200 years.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Shades of the Alien and Sedition Acts |
14 Feb 2006 06:54:26 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:01:33 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in alt.atheism
I've been expecting something like this to happen.
Indeed.
Nurse Investigated for 'Sedition' After Writing Letter to Editor
[]
Peter Simonson, executive director of the ACLU of New Mexico, told The
Progressive magazine: "We were shocked to see the word 'sedition' used.
Sedition? That's like something out of the history books."
In a press release, Simonson also said: "Is this government so jealous of
its power, so fearful of dissent, that it needs to threaten people who
openly oppose its policies with charges of 'sedition'?"
The gov is so cowardly that Yes it needs to threaten everyone.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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