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Shame of Abuse by British Troops in Iraq
Rogue British Troops Batter Iraqis in Mockery of Bid
by Paul Byrne
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=513
A HOODED Iraqi captive is beaten by British soldiers before being thrown from a
moving truck and left to die. The prisoner, aged 18-20, begged for mercy as he was
battered with rifle butts and batons in the head and groin, was kicked, stamped and
urinated on, and had a gun barrel forced into his mouth.
After an EIGHT-HOUR ordeal, he was left barely conscious and close to death. Bleeding
and vomiting and with a broken jaw and missing teeth, he was driven from a Basra camp
and hurled off the truck. No one knows if he lived or died.
The shocking pictures on this page were handed to us by one of the attackers and a
colleague. We have agreed to protect their identities as they fear reprisals.
Last night, their damning testimony was in the hands of appalled ministers and Army
chiefs who pledged an urgent investigation.
Chief of the General Staff General Sir Michael Jackson said: "If this is proven, the
perpetrators are not fit to wear the Queen's uniform. They have besmirched the good
name of the Army and its honour."
No 10 said: "The Prime Minister fully endorses the general's statement."
The outrage, which emerged the day after US troops were pictured torturing Iraqi
prisoners of war, makes a mockery of the Army's attempts to win the hearts and minds
of the Iraqi people.
Army chiefs believe it was an isolated incident involving a few rogue troops. But, it
is claimed, officers turned a blind eye. One of the soldiers said: "Basically this
guy was dying as he couldn't take any more. An officer came down. It was 'Get rid of
him — I haven't seen him.' The paperwork gets ripped. So they threw him out, still
with a bag on his head."
Weeks after the pictures were taken, a captive was allegedly beaten to death in
custody by men from the same Queen's Lancashire Regiment. It is also alleged a video
was found of prisoners being thrown off a bridge. Soldier A told how the young victim
was hauled in suspected of stealing from the docks. He said: "You pick on a man and
go for him. Straightaway he gets a beating, a couple of punches and kicks to put him
down. Then he was dragged to the back of the vehicle."
Immediately a sandbag was placed over the man's head and his hands tied behind his
back.
Soldier A said:
As we took him back he was getting a beating. He was hit with batons on the knees,
fingers, toes, elbows, and head.
You normally try to leave off the face until you're in camp. If you pull up with
black eyes and bleeding faces you could be in s**t.
"So it's body shots — scaring him, saying 'We're going to kill you.' A lot of them
cry and p*** themselves.
Because it was so hot we put him in the back of a four- tonner truck which has a
canopy over it. That's where the photos were taken. Lads were taking turns giving him
a right going over, smashing him in the face with weapons and stamping on him. We had
him for about eight hours.
You could see blood coming out early from the first 'digs.' He was p****d on and
there was spew.
"We took his mask off to give him some water and let him have a rest for 10 minutes.
He could only speak a few words, pleading 'No, mister' . No, mister.'
I did less than the others. But I joined in. Me and my mate calmed down. Then two
lads come on and it starts again.
"He was missing teeth. All his mouth was bleeding and his nose was all over the
place. He couldn't talk, his jaw was out. He's had a good few hours of a kicking. He
was on his way to being killed. There's only so much you can take.
After the officer allegedly told the attackers to get rid of the suspect he was
driven off.
Soldier A said: "The lads said they took him back to the dock and threw him off the
back of a moving vehicle. They'd have freed his hands, but he'd still be hooded. He'd
done nothing, really. I felt sorry for him. I'm not emotional about it, but I knew it
was wrong."
Referring to the second alleged beating in custody — said to have taken place in
September — Soldier B said: "It was only a matter of time.
"We had one who fought back. I thought 'Don't do that,' it's the worst thing you can
do. He got such a kicking. You could hear your mate's boots hitting this lad's spine.
"One of the lads broke his wrist on a prisoner's head. Another nearly broke his foot,
kicking him. We're not helping ourselves out here. We're never going to get the
Iraqis on our side. We're fighting a losing war."
Soldier B claimed after the alleged September beating troops were told to destroy
incriminating evidence.
He said: "We got a warning, saying the Military Police had found a video of people
throwing prisoners off a bridge. It wasn't 'Don't do it' or 'Stop it.' It was 'Get
rid of it.' "
The death is being probed. At least one soldier is expected to be charged with
manslaughter.
The two infantrymen claim abuse has started because Iraqi police are powerless to
process suspects.
Soldier B said: "There's no point taking them to the police station because they're
released within 20 minutes. The coppers don't want any comeback and let them go. All
we do is teach them a lesson our way.
"You're knackered and you don't want to be going to a police station and doing
statements, just for them to be released. Give them a kicking, then it's done and
dusted. "A lot of the younger ones are worse. It's as though they've something to
prove. You've got a gun and you're the law. You can make people do whatever you
want." Both men fear the situation is worsening , with UK troops now seen as the
enemy, rather than liberators.
One said: "I can't believe it has taken the Iraqis so long to fight back. If it had
been me or my family, I'd have retaliated straightaway.
"They've just got fucked around so much. You can't go in now, and say 'Right, let's
forget about what has happened and start again.'
"We're struggling now. There are too many people against us."
The MoD confirmed eight cases of alleged mistreatment of Iraqis by British personnel
are being investigated by the army's Special Investigations Branch. A spokesman said:
"All allegations will be investigated — and every soldier knows it."
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I intend to last long enough to put out of business all *****-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
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"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
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18 Oct 2005 10:10:28 AM |
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"_ G O D _" <demigod1@sprint.ca> wrote in
news:WT_4f.6883$5I2.24390@newscontent-01.sprint.ca:
Retard, go home.
No-one cares about your fixations on alt.atheism.
You're wasting your time - go post somewhere where they give a *****.
jesus!
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| User: "Torch" |
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| Title: Re: Shame of Abuse by British Troops in Iraq |
18 Oct 2005 12:47:39 AM |
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"_ G O D _" <demigod1@sprint.ca> wrote in message
news:WT_4f.6883$5I2.24390@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
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Shame of Abuse by British Troops in Iraq
Rogue British Troops Batter Iraqis in Mockery of Bid
by Paul Byrne
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=513
A HOODED Iraqi captive is beaten by British soldiers before being thrown
from a moving truck and left to die. The prisoner, aged 18-20, begged for
mercy as he was battered with rifle butts and batons in the head and
groin, was kicked, stamped and urinated on, and had a gun barrel forced
into his mouth.
After an EIGHT-HOUR ordeal, he was left barely conscious and close to
death. Bleeding and vomiting and with a broken jaw and missing teeth, he
was driven from a Basra camp and hurled off the truck. No one knows if he
lived or died.
The shocking pictures on this page were handed to us by one of the
attackers and a colleague. We have agreed to protect their identities as
they fear reprisals.
Last night, their damning testimony was in the hands of appalled ministers
and Army chiefs who pledged an urgent investigation.
Chief of the General Staff General Sir Michael Jackson said: "If this is
proven, the perpetrators are not fit to wear the Queen's uniform. They
have besmirched the good name of the Army and its honour."
No 10 said: "The Prime Minister fully endorses the general's statement."
The outrage, which emerged the day after US troops were pictured torturing
Iraqi prisoners of war, makes a mockery of the Army's attempts to win the
hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.
Army chiefs believe it was an isolated incident involving a few rogue
troops. But, it is claimed, officers turned a blind eye. One of the
soldiers said: "Basically this guy was dying as he couldn't take any more.
An officer came down. It was 'Get rid of him - I haven't seen him.' The
paperwork gets ripped. So they threw him out, still with a bag on his
head."
Weeks after the pictures were taken, a captive was allegedly beaten to
death in custody by men from the same Queen's Lancashire Regiment. It is
also alleged a video was found of prisoners being thrown off a bridge.
Soldier A told how the young victim was hauled in suspected of stealing
from the docks. He said: "You pick on a man and go for him. Straightaway
he gets a beating, a couple of punches and kicks to put him down. Then he
was dragged to the back of the vehicle."
Immediately a sandbag was placed over the man's head and his hands tied
behind his back.
Soldier A said:
As we took him back he was getting a beating. He was hit with batons on
the knees, fingers, toes, elbows, and head.
You normally try to leave off the face until you're in camp. If you pull
up with black eyes and bleeding faces you could be in s**t.
"So it's body shots - scaring him, saying 'We're going to kill you.' A lot
of them cry and p*** themselves.
Because it was so hot we put him in the back of a four- tonner truck which
has a canopy over it. That's where the photos were taken. Lads were taking
turns giving him a right going over, smashing him in the face with weapons
and stamping on him. We had him for about eight hours.
You could see blood coming out early from the first 'digs.' He was p****d
on and there was spew.
"We took his mask off to give him some water and let him have a rest for
10 minutes. He could only speak a few words, pleading 'No, mister' . No,
mister.'
I did less than the others. But I joined in. Me and my mate calmed down.
Then two lads come on and it starts again.
"He was missing teeth. All his mouth was bleeding and his nose was all
over the place. He couldn't talk, his jaw was out. He's had a good few
hours of a kicking. He was on his way to being killed. There's only so
much you can take.
After the officer allegedly told the attackers to get rid of the suspect
he was driven off.
Soldier A said: "The lads said they took him back to the dock and threw
him off the back of a moving vehicle. They'd have freed his hands, but
he'd still be hooded. He'd done nothing, really. I felt sorry for him. I'm
not emotional about it, but I knew it was wrong."
Referring to the second alleged beating in custody - said to have taken
place in September - Soldier B said: "It was only a matter of time.
"We had one who fought back. I thought 'Don't do that,' it's the worst
thing you can do. He got such a kicking. You could hear your mate's boots
hitting this lad's spine.
"One of the lads broke his wrist on a prisoner's head. Another nearly
broke his foot, kicking him. We're not helping ourselves out here. We're
never going to get the Iraqis on our side. We're fighting a losing war."
Soldier B claimed after the alleged September beating troops were told to
destroy incriminating evidence.
He said: "We got a warning, saying the Military Police had found a video
of people throwing prisoners off a bridge. It wasn't 'Don't do it' or
'Stop it.' It was 'Get rid of it.' "
The death is being probed. At least one soldier is expected to be charged
with manslaughter.
The two infantrymen claim abuse has started because Iraqi police are
powerless to process suspects.
Soldier B said: "There's no point taking them to the police station
because they're released within 20 minutes. The coppers don't want any
comeback and let them go. All we do is teach them a lesson our way.
"You're knackered and you don't want to be going to a police station and
doing statements, just for them to be released. Give them a kicking, then
it's done and dusted. "A lot of the younger ones are worse. It's as though
they've something to prove. You've got a gun and you're the law. You can
make people do whatever you want." Both men fear the situation is
worsening , with UK troops now seen as the enemy, rather than liberators.
One said: "I can't believe it has taken the Iraqis so long to fight back.
If it had been me or my family, I'd have retaliated straightaway.
"They've just got fucked around so much. You can't go in now, and say
'Right, let's forget about what has happened and start again.'
"We're struggling now. There are too many people against us."
The MoD confirmed eight cases of alleged mistreatment of Iraqis by British
personnel are being investigated by the army's Special Investigations
Branch. A spokesman said: "All allegations will be investigated - and
every soldier knows it."
--
_____________________________________________________
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all *****-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
--
The Seoul times is recycling an old story that appeared in the UK Daily
Mirror about 18 months ago. What the Seoul times seems not to know (or
chooses to ignore) is that these pictures are fake - the Daily Mirror had to
print a retraction in May of last year
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14242612&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=sorry---we-were-hoaxed-name_page.html
I am not an apologist for Britains role in Iraq or the undoubted abuses by
British soldiers but I dont see how anyone is served by recycling these fake
photographs
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:30:24 -0700, "_ G O D _" <demigod1@sprint.ca>
wrote:
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Shame of Abuse by British Troops in Iraq
Rogue British Troops Batter Iraqis in Mockery of Bid
by Paul Byrne
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=513
A HOODED Iraqi captive is beaten by British soldiers before being thrown from a
moving truck and left to die. The prisoner, aged 18-20, begged for mercy as he was
battered with rifle butts and batons in the head and groin, was kicked, stamped and
urinated on, and had a gun barrel forced into his mouth.
After an EIGHT-HOUR ordeal, he was left barely conscious and close to death. Bleeding
and vomiting and with a broken jaw and missing teeth, he was driven from a Basra camp
and hurled off the truck. No one knows if he lived or died.
The shocking pictures on this page were handed to us by one of the attackers and a
colleague. We have agreed to protect their identities as they fear reprisals.
Last night, their damning testimony was in the hands of appalled ministers and Army
chiefs who pledged an urgent investigation.
Chief of the General Staff General Sir Michael Jackson said: "If this is proven, the
perpetrators are not fit to wear the Queen's uniform. They have besmirched the good
name of the Army and its honour."
No 10 said: "The Prime Minister fully endorses the general's statement."
The outrage, which emerged the day after US troops were pictured torturing Iraqi
prisoners of war, makes a mockery of the Army's attempts to win the hearts and minds
of the Iraqi people.
Army chiefs believe it was an isolated incident involving a few rogue troops. But, it
is claimed, officers turned a blind eye. One of the soldiers said: "Basically this
guy was dying as he couldn't take any more. An officer came down. It was 'Get rid of
him — I haven't seen him.' The paperwork gets ripped. So they threw him out, still
with a bag on his head."
Weeks after the pictures were taken, a captive was allegedly beaten to death in
custody by men from the same Queen's Lancashire Regiment. It is also alleged a video
was found of prisoners being thrown off a bridge. Soldier A told how the young victim
was hauled in suspected of stealing from the docks. He said: "You pick on a man and
go for him. Straightaway he gets a beating, a couple of punches and kicks to put him
down. Then he was dragged to the back of the vehicle."
Immediately a sandbag was placed over the man's head and his hands tied behind his
back.
Soldier A said:
As we took him back he was getting a beating. He was hit with batons on the knees,
fingers, toes, elbows, and head.
You normally try to leave off the face until you're in camp. If you pull up with
black eyes and bleeding faces you could be in s**t.
"So it's body shots — scaring him, saying 'We're going to kill you.' A lot of them
cry and p*** themselves.
Because it was so hot we put him in the back of a four- tonner truck which has a
canopy over it. That's where the photos were taken. Lads were taking turns giving him
a right going over, smashing him in the face with weapons and stamping on him. We had
him for about eight hours.
You could see blood coming out early from the first 'digs.' He was p****d on and
there was spew.
"We took his mask off to give him some water and let him have a rest for 10 minutes.
He could only speak a few words, pleading 'No, mister' . No, mister.'
I did less than the others. But I joined in. Me and my mate calmed down. Then two
lads come on and it starts again.
"He was missing teeth. All his mouth was bleeding and his nose was all over the
place. He couldn't talk, his jaw was out. He's had a good few hours of a kicking. He
was on his way to being killed. There's only so much you can take.
After the officer allegedly told the attackers to get rid of the suspect he was
driven off.
Soldier A said: "The lads said they took him back to the dock and threw him off the
back of a moving vehicle. They'd have freed his hands, but he'd still be hooded. He'd
done nothing, really. I felt sorry for him. I'm not emotional about it, but I knew it
was wrong."
Referring to the second alleged beating in custody — said to have taken place in
September — Soldier B said: "It was only a matter of time.
"We had one who fought back. I thought 'Don't do that,' it's the worst thing you can
do. He got such a kicking. You could hear your mate's boots hitting this lad's spine.
"One of the lads broke his wrist on a prisoner's head. Another nearly broke his foot,
kicking him. We're not helping ourselves out here. We're never going to get the
Iraqis on our side. We're fighting a losing war."
Soldier B claimed after the alleged September beating troops were told to destroy
incriminating evidence.
He said: "We got a warning, saying the Military Police had found a video of people
throwing prisoners off a bridge. It wasn't 'Don't do it' or 'Stop it.' It was 'Get
rid of it.' "
The death is being probed. At least one soldier is expected to be charged with
manslaughter.
The two infantrymen claim abuse has started because Iraqi police are powerless to
process suspects.
Soldier B said: "There's no point taking them to the police station because they're
released within 20 minutes. The coppers don't want any comeback and let them go. All
we do is teach them a lesson our way.
"You're knackered and you don't want to be going to a police station and doing
statements, just for them to be released. Give them a kicking, then it's done and
dusted. "A lot of the younger ones are worse. It's as though they've something to
prove. You've got a gun and you're the law. You can make people do whatever you
want." Both men fear the situation is worsening , with UK troops now seen as the
enemy, rather than liberators.
One said: "I can't believe it has taken the Iraqis so long to fight back. If it had
been me or my family, I'd have retaliated straightaway.
"They've just got fucked around so much. You can't go in now, and say 'Right, let's
forget about what has happened and start again.'
"We're struggling now. There are too many people against us."
The MoD confirmed eight cases of alleged mistreatment of Iraqis by British personnel
are being investigated by the army's Special Investigations Branch. A spokesman said:
"All allegations will be investigated — and every soldier knows it."
--
_____________________________________________________
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all *****-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
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