John Wilkins <j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au> wrote in
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My favorite case of Catholic/Christian barbarity is the extermination
of the Albigensians (Cathars) in southern France. They didn't threaten
anyone militarily - they just wanted to live a pure life in peace. But
the Church wanted that territory for themselves.

I'm not so sure about this; didn't they also represent their "heresy" as
their explicit belief? It seems to me that their belief set flew in the
face of the Catholic hierarchy, and no doubt, had it spread, would have
put a major crimp in the flow of goodies to the Church. I don't think
it's a "territory" issue, unless you mean in the organized crime sense.

Since I am myself in the way of a mystic (I'm a Quaker), I've been
interested in heresy pretty much from the get-go.

A useful and, as far as I know, accurate,

page on the Albigensian heresy
is here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01267e.htm

John Wilkins <j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au> wrote in
news:d8lf69$2aem$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au:

My favorite case of Catholic/Christian barbarity is the extermination
of the Albigensians (Cathars) in southern France. They didn't threaten
anyone militarily - they just wanted to live a pure life in peace. But
the Church wanted that territory for themselves.

I'm not so sure about this; didn't they also represent their "heresy" as
their explicit belief? It seems to me that their belief set flew in the
face of the Catholic hierarchy, and no doubt, had it spread, would have
put a major crimp in the flow of goodies to the Church. I don't think
it's a "territory" issue, unless you mean in the organized crime sense.
Since I am myself in the way of a mystic (I'm a Quaker), I've been
interested in heresy pretty much from the get-go.
A useful and, as far as I know, accurate, page on the Albigensian heresy
is here:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01267e.htm

A useful and, as far as I know, accurate, page on the Albigensian heresy
is here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01267e.htm

John Wilkins <j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au> wrote in
news:d8lf69$2aem$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au:

My favorite case of Catholic/Christian barbarity is the extermination
of the Albigensians (Cathars) in southern France. They didn't threaten
anyone militarily - they just wanted to live a pure life in peace. But
the Church wanted that territory for themselves.

I'm not so sure about this; didn't they also represent their "heresy" as
their explicit belief? It seems to me that their belief set flew in the
face of the Catholic hierarchy, and no doubt, had it spread, would have
put a major crimp in the flow of goodies to the Church. I don't think
it's a "territory" issue, unless you mean in the organized crime sense.

Since I am myself in the way of a mystic (I'm a Quaker), I've been
interested in heresy pretty much from the get-go.

A useful and, as far as I know, accurate, page on the Albigensian heresy
is here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01267e.htm

John Wilkins <j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au> wrote in
news:d8lf69$2aem$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au:

My favorite case of Catholic/Christian barbarity is the extermination
of the Albigensians (Cathars) in southern France. They didn't threaten
anyone militarily - they just wanted to live a pure life in peace. But
the Church wanted that territory for themselves.

I'm not so sure about this; didn't they also represent their "heresy" as
their explicit belief? It seems to me that their belief set flew in the
face of the Catholic hierarchy, and no doubt, had it spread, would have
put a major crimp in the flow of goodies to the Church. I don't think
it's a "territory" issue, unless you mean in the organized crime sense.

Since I am myself in the way of a mystic (I'm a Quaker), I've been
interested in heresy pretty much from the get-go.

A useful and, as far as I know, accurate, page on the Albigensian heresy
is here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01267e.htm

bob young wrote:

"vivapadrepio@aol.com" wrote:

maff wrote:

Shaping China's Future Power
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/12/weekinreview/12cohen.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8493
By ROGER COHEN
It seems unlikely that China can be dissuaded from the notion that its
future involves a great-power destiny.

Prayer For Peace In The World:

Lord Jesus Christ, Prince of Peace, grant us peace throughout the
world, that all nations may work together and that there might be an
end to war. I ask this, Lord, in your name. Amen.

Reminds me of when I was a kid in W.W.II. In Britain we all went to church
to pray for the victory of our glorious soldiers and the Germans were doing
exactly the same thing!

We can all hope for world peace, but no gods are going to be involved,
unless they were responsible for these monstrosities:


The silence of Pope Pius XII during the Nazi holocaust.

Monsignor Tiso, head of the Slovak State who (per the
website below), "delivered the first trainload of Jews to
Auschwitz."

Hundreds of thousands of women burned alive as Witches
in the late Middle Ages and Renaissance.

Saint Cyril and some monks who burned the great Library
at Alexandria, destroying 600,000 volumes of knowledge
of the ancient world -- the greatest property crime of all
time."

The so-called "Crusades."

The spurring of the Protestant Reformation and the "wars
that followed wherein Germany lost half its population in a
generation."

The "destruction, plunder, rape, and papal pillage of the
people of the Americas and the eradication of their
culture..."

The extermination of the Huguenots in France.

The issuing of Vatican passports to Nazi leaders after World
War II so that they could escape prosecution for war crimes.

The castration of boy singers in the church so that they
could continue to sing in high pitch into adulthood.

[With acknowledgements to 'zadadu']

To be fair, the castrati were banned by the church (eventually); and it was a
cultural thing, not a religious thing.

My favorite case of Catholic/Christian barbarity is the extermination of the
Albigensians (Cathars) in southern France. They didn't threaten anyone
militarily - they just wanted to live a pure life in peace. But the Church
wanted that territory for themselves.

--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122

maff wrote:

Shaping China's Future Power
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/12/weekinreview/12cohen.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8493
By ROGER COHEN
It seems unlikely that China can be dissuaded from the notion that its
future involves a great-power destiny.

Prayer For Peace In The World:
Lord Jesus Christ, Prince of Peace, grant us peace throughout the
world, that all nations may work together and that there might be an
end to war. I ask this, Lord, in your name. Amen.

maff wrote:

Shaping China's Future Power
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/12/weekinreview/12cohen.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8493
By ROGER COHEN
It seems unlikely that China can be dissuaded from the notion that its
future involves a great-power destiny.

Prayer For Peace In The World:

Lord Jesus Christ, Prince of Peace, grant us peace throughout the
world, that all nations may work together and that there might be an
end to war. I ask this, Lord, in your name. Amen.