Religions > Atheism > Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard?
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09 May 2007 11:37:33 PM |
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Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070509_sharpton.htm
On May 7, Rev. Al Sharpton debated author Christopher Hitchens at the
New York Public Library on the question of God's existence. In the
course of the debate, Hitchens made a snide reference to a Mormon
candidate for the Republican nomination (Governor Mitt Romney). When
Sharpton had an opportunity to respond, he said, "As for the Mormon
running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him
anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation."
Catholic League president Bill Donohue spoke of this issue today:
"Rev. Al Sharpton says he has been preaching for 48 of his 52 years
and that he was ordained a minister at the ripe old age of nine.
Therefore, he should know better than to insult people of faith,
independent of religious affiliation. What he said about Gov. Romney
is reprehensible.
"Applying the same standard of justice Sharpton invoked against Imus
for his racist quip, this should finish Sharpton's career. But will
it? It is up to Senators Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John
Edwards to denounce Sharpton. After all, they all condemned Imus and
all of them recently spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network
convention in New York City.
"Sharpton is more than a man of the cloth. He is a former presidential
contender who is integrally tied to the Democratic party. Therefore,
it is incumbent that he be held accountable for his bigoted outburst
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10 May 2007 08:44:00 AM |
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11 May 2007 10:05:41 AM |
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J Young wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070509_sharpton.htm
On May 7, Rev. Al Sharpton debated author Christopher Hitchens at the
New York Public Library on the question of God's existence.
Haha. I'd like to have seen that. Hitchens must have eaten his lunch
despite having to prove a negative.
In the
course of the debate, Hitchens made a snide reference to a Mormon
candidate for the Republican nomination (Governor Mitt Romney). When
Sharpton had an opportunity to respond, he said, "As for the Mormon
running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him
anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation."
Catholic League president Bill Donohue spoke of this issue today:
What an arrogant and self-serving act. Hypocritical. I'll explain
below.
"Rev. Al Sharpton says he has been preaching for 48 of his 52 years
and that he was ordained a minister at the ripe old age of nine.
Therefore, he should know better than to insult people of faith,
independent of religious affiliation. What he said about Gov. Romney
is reprehensible.
"Applying the same standard of justice Sharpton invoked against Imus
for his racist quip, this should finish Sharpton's career. But will
it? It is up to Senators Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John
Edwards to denounce Sharpton. After all, they all condemned Imus and
all of them recently spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network
convention in New York City.
The same standard, indeed. Racism is a real problem. Deborah is the
poster girl for that. But soapbox rivalry among superstitions is not,
at least not in secular states which protect civil liberties. Imus/
Sharpton are apples/oranges. If I believe in the Man in the Moon I
should be able to proclaim it even if it offends Mormons. If I believe
Mormonism is crackpot I will say it--and I do, here and now. Crackpot.
Hyper-sensitive demands for political correctness are a large part of
America's present crisis.
There is no end to what we're not supposed to talk about. Joseph Smith
was an obvious snake oil salesman but Sharpton, equally so, isn't
supposed to mention it. People aren't supposed to speak their minds on
myriad subjects. I'ts become a bit complex. Let the religionists do
their second century BC mumbo jumbo and and ignore it. Utah is going
to go Republican in any event. Sharpton knows he has no constituents
there. Why should he give a damn? And anyway, if Romney is nominated I
don't care why people vote against him in the privacy of the booth.
Politics is rough and tumble and that apparently can't be avoided--
except in the relative sense. We stumble across a Lincoln once in a
while just as a blind pig occasionaly finds an acorn. Right now that
pig is in extremis.
"Sharpton is more than a man of the cloth. He is a former presidential
contender who is integrally tied to the Democratic party. Therefore,
it is incumbent that he be held accountable for his bigoted outburst
This Catholic poseur *agrees* with Sharpton about Mormonism! Therefore
by definition his "outburst" was not bigoted. I'm sure the Pope would
have to agree.
Finish his career. Haha, that's hilarious. Sharpton thrives on this
stuff. And in any event he is a civil rights activist and was
exercising his civil rights. Eternal vigilance is the price of
liberty, etc., etc.
Now, as to Father Abraham and Moses. They were not historical
personages any more than were Adam and Eve. And Bishop Usher was a
credulous fool when he used the Bible to calculate that age of the
earth, created by God he thought in 4004 B.C. The men who wrote those
parts of the Old Testament/Torah were Joseph Smith types. Snake oil
specialists. The ethical systems emerging from it are another matter.
And all of them, Christian, Buddhist, whatever, are of human origin,
obviously.
Hitchens is a trip.
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11 May 2007 02:18:59 PM |
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On May 11, 8:05 am, Cazador <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The same standard, indeed. Racism is a real problem.
Deborah is the poster girl for that.
Says Cazador the antisemite.
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11 May 2007 05:27:52 PM |
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On May 11, 8:05 am, Cazador <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The same standard, indeed. Racism is a real problem.
Deborah is the poster girl for that.
On May 11, 12:18 pm, wrote:
Says Cazador the antisemite.
Make that "Cazador the stupid antisemite". Unless you consider "stupid
antisemite" the redundancy it is, of course.
Deborah
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| User: "Cazador" |
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11 May 2007 03:33:43 PM |
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On May 11, 2:18 pm, wrote:
On May 11, 8:05 am, Cazador <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The same standard, indeed. Racism is a real problem.
Deborah is the poster girl for that.
Says Cazador the antisemite.
Yeah, yeah, the same old Israel Lobby nonsense described so well by
Mearsheimer & Walt. If I were to describe Jews qua Jews as she
describes the Palestinians you'd have a case. I don't do it and you
know it. It doesn't occur to me to do it and I know it. I've never
done it in my entire life. Generic anti-Semitism is a profoundly
stupid intellectual vice; it's indefensible. Deborah demonizes all
Palestinians and you border on it in more subtle ways which make me
wonder what's in your soul. But I'll settle now for what's in your
head.
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| User: "" |
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11 May 2007 07:05:07 PM |
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On May 11, 1:33 pm, Cazador <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah, yeah, the same old Israel Lobby nonsense
described so well by Mearsheimer & Walt.
I read about 10 pages till I decided "enough *****".
There are several good criticisms of the paper, e.g.
http://www.adl.org/Israel/mearsheimer_walt.asp
www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=189&x_article=1105
www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=35&x_article=1099
They pointed out, among other things, factual erros.
How do you deal with that?
Deborah demonizes all Palestinians
Says who?
and you border on it in more subtle ways which
make me wonder what's in your soul.
I am an engineer. I like solutions that actually solve
the problems, and I learn from failures. I usually
take the time to trace failures to wrong assumptions.
E.g. in the early 1990's I supported Oslo. I was
wrong. The bad assumption I made was the
assumption that the Palestinians wanted peace.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
10 May 2007 12:10:09 AM |
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J Young wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070509_sharpton.htm
On May 7, Rev. Al Sharpton debated author Christopher Hitchens at the
New York Public Library on the question of God's existence. In the
course of the debate, Hitchens made a snide reference to a Mormon
candidate for the Republican nomination (Governor Mitt Romney). When
Sharpton had an opportunity to respond, he said, "As for the Mormon
running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him
anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation."
So the next president will be Scottish?
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| User: "bob&carole" |
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14 May 2007 08:05:05 AM |
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On May 10, 1:10?am, "towelie" <bugoNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070509_sharpton.htm
On May 7, Rev. Al Sharpton debated author Christopher Hitchens at the
New York Public Library on the question of God's existence. In the
course of the debate, Hitchens made a snide reference to a Mormon
candidate for the Republican nomination (Governor Mitt Romney). When
Sharpton had an opportunity to respond, he said, "As for the Mormon
running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him
anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation."
So the next president will be Scottish?
Sharpton is Negroid, he will be protected as usual.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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10 May 2007 12:21:42 AM |
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J Young wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070509_sharpton.htm
"Applying the same standard of justice Sharpton invoked against Imus
for his racist quip, this should finish Sharpton's career. But will
it? It is up to Senators Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John
Edwards to denounce Sharpton. After all, they all condemned Imus and
all of them recently spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network
convention in New York City.
Pfffft...Mormons are loons...what's to argue?
The women on the Rutgers basketball team are hard working young woman. I
have no problem with what Imus said as far as his right to say it goes. But
it was a despicable comment and his getting fired is in no way an
infringement on his right to say ***** like that.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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10 May 2007 12:55:32 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070509_sharpton.htm
"Applying the same standard of justice Sharpton invoked against Imus
for his racist quip, this should finish Sharpton's career. But will
it? It is up to Senators Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John
Edwards to denounce Sharpton. After all, they all condemned Imus and
all of them recently spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network
convention in New York City.
Pfffft...Mormons are loons...what's to argue?
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a general
statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
I think you should apologize for your ignorance, bigotry, and discriminating
attitude.
The women on the Rutgers basketball team are hard working young woman. I
have no problem with what Imus said as far as his right to say it goes.
But it was a despicable comment and his getting fired is in no way an
infringement on his right to say ***** like that.
It was a terrible thing for him to say and firing him was too harsh in my
opinion, because you have many other people who say and do worse things, and
you don't see anyone wanting to fire them. Rosey O'Donnell comes to mind.
And people like Jackson and Sharpton, are in no way shape or form
saints...they have a good deal of racist history themselves, and bigotry.
Imus deserved to be suspended, without a doubt. But they picked and chose
him because they wanted to get hypocrites like Jackson and Sharpton out of
their hair.
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
10 May 2007 12:03:32 PM |
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On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
....who believe that they're going to turn into gods and each (male)
Mormon will be getting his *very* *own* *planet*, where he will be
able to keep his wife/wives perpetually pregnant.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a general
statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
Mormons *are* loons. The only thing loonier than Mormonism is
Scientology.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "dianaiad" |
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19 May 2007 06:28:37 PM |
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On May 10, 10:03 am, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
...who believe that they're going to turn into gods and each (male)Mormonwill be getting his *very* *own* *planet*, where he will be
able to keep his wife/wives perpetually pregnant.
Wrong. Bzzzt, thanks for playing, but this is incorrect. We do not
believe this.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a general
statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
Mormons *are* loons. The only thing loonier than Mormonism is
Scientology.
I don't care if you think we are loons. But if you do, I would ask
that you base your opinion on the believes we actually do hold.
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| User: "osprey" |
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11 May 2007 01:40:56 AM |
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On May 10, 1:03 pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
...who believe that they're going to turn into gods and each (male)
Mormon will be getting his *very* *own* *planet*, where he will be
able to keep his wife/wives perpetually pregnant.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a general
statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
Mormons *are* loons. The only thing loonier than Mormonism is
Scientology.
This is what gets me about liberals.
Liberals claim they support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom for
people to be who they want and how they want to live, live and let
live...ect...
But that's not true is it? No, instead I see liberals name calling
and attacking others all the time.
I don't agree with their beliefs either, but I'm not going around
calling them "loons" because of their religion and beliefs.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
11 May 2007 12:51:16 PM |
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On May 10, 11:40 pm, osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On May 10, 1:03 pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
...who believe that they're going to turn into gods and each (male)
Mormon will be getting his *very* *own* *planet*, where he will be
able to keep his wife/wives perpetually pregnant.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a general
statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
Mormons *are* loons. The only thing loonier than Mormonism is
Scientology.
This is what gets me about liberals.
I'm *hardly* a liberal. I don't even believe in welfare for most of
the people who are getting nowdays. Stop trying to cram people into
pidgeon holes, willya?
Liberals claim they support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom for
people to be who they want and how they want to live, live and let
live...ect...
Yes. And? I never said they shouldn't be allowed to adhere to the
faith of their choice - I just said that the faith in question is
looney. And it is. I will defend their right to belong to that faith
with my very life, if it comes to that. That doesn't mean can't call
a spade a spade.
But that's not true is it? No, instead I see liberals name calling
and attacking others all the time.
But I'm not a liberal. What's you point?
I don't agree with their beliefs either, but I'm not going around
calling them "loons" because of their religion and beliefs.
Have you ever actually studied what the Mormons or Scientologists
believe? Just because they have a right to believe it doesn't mean I
don't have an equal right to call the thing what it is: looney.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of FEline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "dianaiad" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
19 May 2007 06:31:29 PM |
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On May 11, 10:51 am, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 10, 11:40 pm, osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
<snip to>
Have you ever actually studied what the Mormons or Scientologists
believe?
<snip again>
Gee, what a concept; find out what the beliefs actually are before you
make fun of them.
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22 May 2007 04:07:50 PM |
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On May 11, 2:40 am, osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On May 10, 1:03 pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
...who believe that they're going to turn into gods and each (male)
Mormon will be getting his *very* *own* *planet*, where he will be
able to keep his wife/wives perpetually pregnant.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a general
statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
Mormons *are* loons. The only thing loonier than Mormonism is
Scientology.
This is what gets me about liberals.
Liberals claim they support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom for
people to be who they want and how they want to live, live and let
live...ect...
But that's not true is it? No, instead I see liberals name calling
and attacking others all the time.
I don't agree with their beliefs either, but I'm not going around
calling them "loons" because of their religion and beliefs.
You're attacking a certain group of people criticizing lunatics they
object to, on the other hand. It seems to me that you're doing EXACTLY
what you accuse of others: can anybody spell hypocrite? (I'll bet
Osprey can't!) ;-)
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
11 May 2007 12:33:39 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On May 10, 1:03 pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
...who believe that they're going to turn into gods and each (male)
Mormon will be getting his *very* *own* *planet*, where he will be
able to keep his wife/wives perpetually pregnant.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a general
statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
Mormons *are* loons. The only thing loonier than Mormonism is
Scientology.
This is what gets me about liberals.
Liberals claim they support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom for
people to be who they want and how they want to live, live and let
live...ect...
But that's not true is it?
Of course it's true, bigot.
No, instead I see liberals name calling
and attacking others all the time.
So YOU are objecting to other people having the freedom to criticise
religions. YOU are the one attacking people for speaking.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 May 2007 10:46:18 AM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
On May 10, 1:03 pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
...who believe that they're going to turn into gods and each (male)
Mormon will be getting his *very* *own* *planet*, where he will be
able to keep his wife/wives perpetually pregnant.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a general
statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
Mormons *are* loons. The only thing loonier than Mormonism is
Scientology.
This is what gets me about liberals.
Liberals claim they support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom for
people to be who they want and how they want to live, live and let
live...ect...
Yeah. So?
But that's not true is it? No, instead I see liberals name calling
and attacking others all the time.
More free speech. Got a problem with that?
I don't agree with their beliefs either, but I'm not going around
calling them "loons" because of their religion and beliefs.
But you could if you wanted to. That's what freedom means, loon.
Of course, you've just accused liberals of lying, which in my
view is more serious than calling someone a loon.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
11 May 2007 03:09:22 PM |
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osprey wrote:
This is what gets me about liberals.
Liberals claim they support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom for
people to be who they want and how they want to live, live and let
live...ect...
Oh Mr. Strawman, give me an out
I don't have a point and I just want to pout
But that's not true is it? No, instead I see liberals name calling
and attacking others all the time.
Oh please...I will defend to the death everyone's right to be a complete
utter fucking idiot. OTOH...it opens them up to criticism. How the heck is
my criticism affecting anyone's freedom pray tell?
I don't agree with their beliefs either, but I'm not going around
calling them "loons" because of their religion and beliefs.
No, but it's not beneath you to criticise liberals. Unlike your baseless
accusations though, my criticism of them is entirely merited.
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11 May 2007 03:18:36 PM |
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skyeyes wrote:
On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply
belong to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
...who believe that they're going to turn into gods and each (male)
Mormon will be getting his *very* *own* *planet*, where he will be
able to keep his wife/wives perpetually pregnant.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a
general statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
Mormons *are* loons. The only thing loonier than Mormonism is
Scientology.
Jinx...1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10...you owe me 10 Cokes!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
10 May 2007 11:02:10 AM |
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Osprey <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:FZSdnXm0d9x1Nt_bnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
J Young wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070509_sharpton.htm
"Applying the same standard of justice Sharpton invoked against Imus
for his racist quip, this should finish Sharpton's career. But will
it? It is up to Senators Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John
Edwards to denounce Sharpton. After all, they all condemned Imus and
all of them recently spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network
convention in New York City.
Pfffft...Mormons are loons...what's to argue?
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply belong
to a different religious organization.
Like, say, neonazis? People's Temple? Heaven's Gate?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
10 May 2007 09:39:51 AM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:FZSdnXm0d9x1Nt_bnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@giganews.com...
J Young wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070509_sharpton.htm
"Applying the same standard of justice Sharpton invoked against Imus
for his racist quip, this should finish Sharpton's career. But will
it? It is up to Senators Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John
Edwards to denounce Sharpton. After all, they all condemned Imus and
all of them recently spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network
convention in New York City.
Pfffft...Mormons are loons...what's to argue?
Why are mormons loons? Why do you go and attack people, who simply
belong to a different religious organization.
I know a few mormons, they are fine individuals.
Your statement is no different than a bigot or a racist who makes a
general statement about..say a homosexual, a black, ect...
I agree. Mormons may even be better citizens on average than Americans as a
whole. My point stands...they are loons. Perhaps I should qualify that.
Mormons hold many beliefs that even the most superstitious Catholic would
laugh at. They aren't crazy per se. They are like any theist that believes
any number of unsubstantiated utter ***** just because they were taught
that by their childhood authority figures. Only more so.
Do native Americans wear special underwear that they believe protects them
from evil spirits? Do homosexuals believe that an angel delivered gold
tablets to a confidence man and declared him a prophet. Do lesbians believe
that blacks are cursed progeny of Cain. Do blacks think that native
Americans are the lost tribes of Israel.
*****, I can go on and on about absolutely farcical Mormon beliefs, but I'm
running out of minorities to set these beliefs against.
I think you should apologize for your ignorance, bigotry, and
discriminating attitude.
Nope. It's true. Their beliefs are just this side of Scientology. I was
certainly being argumentative. I don't need to apologize. I really didn't
mean that Mormons are crazy and I've known many along the way. I was given
the BOM by a friend of mine in Chattanooga and had a good laugh and lots of
lively discussion.
Speaking of whom, this guy said he had traced his genealogy back to Adam and
Eve. I ***** you not. That's absurd.
The women on the Rutgers basketball team are hard working young
woman. I have no problem with what Imus said as far as his right to
say it goes. But it was a despicable comment and his getting fired
is in no way an infringement on his right to say ***** like that.
It was a terrible thing for him to say and firing him was too harsh
in my opinion, because you have many other people who say and do
worse things, and you don't see anyone wanting to fire them. Rosey
O'Donnell comes to mind.
But their employment or lack thereof is not up to us. Rosie O'Donnell is an
offensive cuss and her fame is a complete mystery to me. This fascination
for obnoxious New Yorkers is beyond me too. Stern is another one.
And people like Jackson and Sharpton, are in
no way shape or form saints...they have a good deal of racist history
themselves, and bigotry.
No doubt. But who would hire these guys in the first place, let alone fire
them. ;-)
Imus deserved to be suspended, without a doubt. But they picked and
chose him because they wanted to get hypocrites like Jackson and
Sharpton out of their hair.
I wouldn't worry about Imus. I'm sure he'll be working soon enough if he
isn't already. I for one never could see the appeal of his show. Or Stern
for that matter. But, hey, that's just my opinion.
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| User: "John Mayson" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
11 May 2007 09:53:18 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
I agree. Mormons may even be better citizens on average than Americans as a
whole. My point stands...they are loons. Perhaps I should qualify that.
Mormons hold many beliefs that even the most superstitious Catholic would
laugh at. They aren't crazy per se. They are like any theist that believes
any number of unsubstantiated utter ***** just because they were taught
that by their childhood authority figures. Only more so.
Do native Americans wear special underwear that they believe protects them
from evil spirits? Do homosexuals believe that an angel delivered gold
tablets to a confidence man and declared him a prophet. Do lesbians believe
that blacks are cursed progeny of Cain. Do blacks think that native
Americans are the lost tribes of Israel.
What the heck. I'll jump in.
Why are beliefs about wearing white underwear any more strange than,
say, not eating meat on Friday or fasting while the sun is in the sky
for an entire month or not eating pork or that whole idea of Thetans?
Every religion has its quirks. It doesn't make adherents to said
religion a "loon".
- --
John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
13 May 2007 12:07:35 AM |
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On 11-May-2007, John Mayson <john@mayson.us> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
I agree. Mormons may even be better citizens on average than Americans
as a
whole. My point stands...they are loons. Perhaps I should qualify that.
Mormons hold many beliefs that even the most superstitious Catholic
would
laugh at. They aren't crazy per se. They are like any theist that
believes
any number of unsubstantiated utter ***** just because they were
taught
that by their childhood authority figures. Only more so.
Do native Americans wear special underwear that they believe protects
them
from evil spirits? Do homosexuals believe that an angel delivered gold
tablets to a confidence man and declared him a prophet. Do lesbians
believe
that blacks are cursed progeny of Cain. Do blacks think that native
Americans are the lost tribes of Israel.
What the heck. I'll jump in.
Why are beliefs about wearing white underwear any more strange than,
say, not eating meat on Friday or fasting while the sun is in the sky
for an entire month or not eating pork or that whole idea of Thetans?
Every religion has its quirks. It doesn't make adherents to said
religion a "loon".
I think that the point is that people who don't wear the underwear aren't
affected by evil spirits, whereas all the things you mentioned aren't
supposed to actually do anything for you except put your life on a more
spiritual plane.
The Thetans, or anything else from Sientology, is a proven fiction
from L. Ron Hubbard.
Susan
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| User: "dianaiad" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
19 May 2007 06:27:06 PM |
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On May 12, 10:07 pm, wrote:
On 11-May-2007, John Mayson <j...@mayson.us> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
I agree. Mormons may even be better citizens on average than Americans
as a
whole. My point stands...they are loons. Perhaps I should qualify that.
Mormons hold many beliefs that even the most superstitious Catholic
would
laugh at. They aren't crazy per se. They are like any theist that
believes
any number of unsubstantiated utter ***** just because they were
taught
that by their childhood authority figures. Only more so.
Do native Americans wear special underwear that they believe protects
them
from evil spirits? Do homosexuals believe that an angel delivered gold
tablets to a confidence man and declared him a prophet. Do lesbians
believe
that blacks are cursed progeny of Cain. Do blacks think that native
Americans are the lost tribes of Israel.
What the heck. I'll jump in.
Why are beliefs about wearing white underwear any more strange than,
say, not eating meat on Friday or fasting while the sun is in the sky
for an entire month or not eating pork or that whole idea of Thetans?
Every religion has its quirks. It doesn't make adherents to said
religion a "loon".
I think that the point is that people who don't wear the underwear aren't
affected by evil spirits, whereas all the things you mentioned aren't
supposed to actually do anything for you except put your life on a more
spiritual plane.
Well, IF we wore underwear to repel evil spirits, you might have a
point. But we don't. (sigh) Trust me, I've been a Mormon for a very
long time, and I've never worried about spirits, evil or otherwise.
The Temple garments (OK, underwear) are simply very personal reminders
of promises that we made...promises to be good people, to love one
another, to treat each other kindly..you know, esoteric and strange
stuff like that. We wear the garments for the same reason other
Christians wear a cross; the difference is, our purpose is to remind
OURSELVES of who we are and what we believe, not to advertise to
others.
....but just as a thought: Mormons generally don't wear those garments
in places where they might show, like sporting events or swimming or
on the stage performing if the costume would reveal them...and Mormons
are very, very big lovers of the performing arts. There isn't a town
in Utah, for instance, that doesn't have a thriving community theater
group or two. Now, if we were all that worried about evil spirits,
don't you think we would be a little more strict about when and where
those things are worn?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
20 May 2007 02:04:17 AM |
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On 19-May-2007, dianaiad <dianaiad@msn.com> wrote:
On May 12, 10:07 pm, wrote:
On 11-May-2007, John Mayson <j...@mayson.us> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
I agree. Mormons may even be better citizens on average than
Americans
as a
whole. My point stands...they are loons. Perhaps I should qualify
that.
Mormons hold many beliefs that even the most superstitious Catholic
would
laugh at. They aren't crazy per se. They are like any theist that
believes
any number of unsubstantiated utter ***** just because they were
taught
that by their childhood authority figures. Only more so.
Do native Americans wear special underwear that they believe
protects
them
from evil spirits? Do homosexuals believe that an angel delivered
gold
tablets to a confidence man and declared him a prophet. Do lesbians
believe
that blacks are cursed progeny of Cain. Do blacks think that native
Americans are the lost tribes of Israel.
What the heck. I'll jump in.
Why are beliefs about wearing white underwear any more strange than,
say, not eating meat on Friday or fasting while the sun is in the sky
for an entire month or not eating pork or that whole idea of Thetans?
Every religion has its quirks. It doesn't make adherents to said
religion a "loon".
I think that the point is that people who don't wear the underwear
aren't
affected by evil spirits, whereas all the things you mentioned aren't
supposed to actually do anything for you except put your life on a more
spiritual plane.
Well, IF we wore underwear to repel evil spirits, you might have a
point. But we don't. (sigh) Trust me, I've been a Mormon for a very
long time, and I've never worried about spirits, evil or otherwise.
The Temple garments (OK, underwear) are simply very personal reminders
of promises that we made...promises to be good people, to love one
another, to treat each other kindly..you know, esoteric and strange
stuff like that. We wear the garments for the same reason other
Christians wear a cross; the difference is, our purpose is to remind
OURSELVES of who we are and what we believe, not to advertise to
others.
I honestly have not looked into it, because it's no business of mine,
but thanks for the information.
...but just as a thought: Mormons generally don't wear those garments
in places where they might show,
Oh, I figured that!
I figured they had to be very private.
like sporting events or swimming or
on the stage performing if the costume would reveal them...and Mormons
are very, very big lovers of the performing arts. There isn't a town
in Utah, for instance, that doesn't have a thriving community theater
group or two. Now, if we were all that worried about evil spirits,
don't you think we would be a little more strict about when and where
those things are worn?
HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, if you (anyone) did wear them for that
reason, then you (snyone) could certainly indulge without fear, no?
Susan
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| User: "dianaiad" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
20 May 2007 10:31:48 AM |
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On May 20, 12:04 am, wrote:
On 19-May-2007, dianaiad <diana...@msn.com> wrote:
On May 12, 10:07 pm, wrote:
On 11-May-2007, John Mayson <j...@mayson.us> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
I agree. Mormons may even be better citizens on average than
Americans
as a
whole. My point stands...they are loons. Perhaps I should qualify
that.
Mormons hold many beliefs that even the most superstitious Catholic
would
laugh at. They aren't crazy per se. They are like any theist that
believes
any number of unsubstantiated utter ***** just because they were
taught
that by their childhood authority figures. Only more so.
Do native Americans wear special underwear that they believe
protects
them
from evil spirits? Do homosexuals believe that an angel delivered
gold
tablets to a confidence man and declared him a prophet. Do lesbians
believe
that blacks are cursed progeny of Cain. Do blacks think that native
Americans are the lost tribes of Israel.
What the heck. I'll jump in.
Why are beliefs about wearing white underwear any more strange than,
say, not eating meat on Friday or fasting while the sun is in the sky
for an entire month or not eating pork or that whole idea of Thetans?
Every religion has its quirks. It doesn't make adherents to said
religion a "loon".
I think that the point is that people who don't wear the underwear
aren't
affected by evil spirits, whereas all the things you mentioned aren't
supposed to actually do anything for you except put your life on a more
spiritual plane.
Well, IF we wore underwear to repel evil spirits, you might have a
point. But we don't. (sigh) Trust me, I've been a Mormon for a very
long time, and I've never worried about spirits, evil or otherwise.
The Temple garments (OK, underwear) are simply very personal reminders
of promises that we made...promises to be good people, to love one
another, to treat each other kindly..you know, esoteric and strange
stuff like that. We wear the garments for the same reason other
Christians wear a cross; the difference is, our purpose is to remind
OURSELVES of who we are and what we believe, not to advertise to
others.
I honestly have not looked into it, because it's no business of mine,
but thanks for the information.
...but just as a thought: Mormons generally don't wear those garments
in places where they might show,
Oh, I figured that!
I figured they had to be very private.
like sporting events or swimming or
on the stage performing if the costume would reveal them...and Mormons
are very, very big lovers of the performing arts. There isn't a town
in Utah, for instance, that doesn't have a thriving community theater
group or two. Now, if we were all that worried about evil spirits,
don't you think we would be a little more strict about when and where
those things are worn?
HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, if you (anyone) did wear them for that
reason, then you (snyone) could certainly indulge without fear, no?
Susan
Indulge in what, without fear of what? Please pardon me if that
question sounds dense...but it's always a good idea to get these
conceptions clear. ;-)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
20 May 2007 12:09:30 PM |
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On 20-May-2007, dianaiad <dianaiad@msn.com> wrote:
. Now, if we were all that worried about evil spirits,
don't you think we would be a little more strict about when and where
those things are worn?
HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, if you (anyone) did wear them for that
reason, then you (anyone) could certainly indulge without fear, no?
Susan
Indulge in what, without fear of what?
Indulge without fear in those things that would theoretically
further expose you to the supposed evil spirits, but really don't.
Please pardon me if that
question sounds dense...but it's always a good idea to get these
conceptions clear. ;-)
No problem!
Susan
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| User: "dianaiad" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
20 May 2007 02:38:24 PM |
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On May 20, 10:09 am, wrote:
On 20-May-2007, dianaiad <diana...@msn.com> wrote:
. Now, if we were all that worried about evil spirits,
don't you think we would be a little more strict about when and where
those things are worn?
HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, if you (anyone) did wear them for that
reason, then you (anyone) could certainly indulge without fear, no?
Susan
Indulge in what, without fear of what?
Indulge without fear in those things that would theoretically
further expose you to the supposed evil spirits, but really don't.
I'm still feeling a little on the dense side here. By this you mean, I
think...that if we wore them for 'that reason' (protection against
evil spirits) then by wearing them we would be more free to
participate in activities that ordinarily would expose us to them?
I suppose.
(grin)
However, since we don't wear them for that reason, the point doesn't
apply.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Sharpton Insults Mormons; Will He Be Held To The Imus Standard? |
20 May 2007 11:45:58 PM |
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On 20-May-2007, dianaiad <dianaiad@msn.com> wrote:
On May 20, 10:09 am, wrote:
On 20-May-2007, dianaiad <diana...@msn.com> wrote:
. Now, if we were all that worried about evil spirits,
don't you think we would be a little more strict about when and
where
those things are worn?
HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, if you (anyone) did wear them for that
reason, then you (anyone) could certainly indulge without fear, no?
Susan
Indulge in what, without fear of what?
Indulge without fear in those things that would theoretically
further expose you to the supposed evil spirits, but really don't.
I'm still feeling a little on the dense side here. By this you mean, I
think...that if we wore them for 'that reason' (protection against
evil spirits) then by wearing them we would be more free to
participate in activities that ordinarily would expose us to them?
That's it exactly.
I suppose.
(grin)
However, since we don't wear them for that reason, the point doesn't
apply.
Sure - that's why I used the "hypothetically" in the original posit.
Susan
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