Religions > Atheism > "She killed a bunch of kids, and you don't do that in Harris County,"
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"J Young" |
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10 Nov 2005 11:08:51 PM |
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"She killed a bunch of kids, and you don't do that in Harris County," |
This headline could have easily been about the closing of the local abortion
mill. Maybe Andrea Yates should take her cue from Planned Parenthood; have
the ACLU represent her and claim she was only exercising her "Freedom of
Choice", albeit retroactively.
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2005-11-09T232314Z_01_SPI960173_RTRUKOC_0_US-CRIME-YATES.xml
Texas child-killer Yates will have second trial
HOUSTON (Reuters) - Andrea Yates, the Texas mother who drowned her five
children in 2001, will face a second trial after the state's highest
criminal court refused on Wednesday to reinstate the murder convictions
against her.
The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals upheld a lower appeals court's ruling
issued in January that overturned jury verdicts against Yates because of
errors in the testimony of an expert witness.
Harris County District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal said he would try Yates
again as soon as possible. "She killed a bunch of kids, and you don't do
that in Harris County," he said.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: "She killed a bunch of kids, and you don't do that in Harris County," |
13 Nov 2005 11:45:46 PM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:43:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> let us all know that:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 03:26:13 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:39:37 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
John Baker lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand. That could, and I hope
will, change.
And it isn't just her body.
It is just her body.
The fetus is not her property, donny-boy.
Yes it is
No,
Yes essy, it is. She owns her body, including the contents of
her womb.
Don
Maybe you can answer my question then Don.
Do you support a woman's right to choose aborting her fetus at ANY
stage of her pregnancy?
And when I say aborting I mean as in killing the fetus.
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| User: "Miguel OPastel" |
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| Title: Re: "She killed a bunch of kids, but you can do that in Baghdad," |
15 Nov 2005 06:55:53 PM |
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| User: "John Baker" |
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12 Nov 2005 04:23:18 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:39:37 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
John Baker lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:28:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
John Baker lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:01:43 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Gaia wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:48:56 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
kathryn wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1131692578.973112.134210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Parsifal wrote:
No matter how many times you'll post that "abortion = murder", it will
still remain a lie as confirmed by your laws that clearly make a
difference. Why do you hate the USA so much?
Are you lying?
Can you prove that he hates the USA?
If not, then you are lying..and maybe it's YOU who hates the USA.
Because in the USA we have this thing called the constitution, and it
says that we are entitled freedom of speech. Even if he is wrong about
abortion = murder, it's still his opinion that it does equal murder.
So why don't you explain why I shouldn't think you hate the USA? And I
would like for you to prove that he hates the USA.
Oh, and answer this.
What's the difference in a woman choosing to abort a viable fetus than
killing a newborn infant?
Why do you want to increase the death rate of women so much?
Red herring. The percentage of abortions that are done
to preserve the life and health of women is miniscule.
So?
So, abortion isn't really about women's health.
It isn't really any of your business either.
It is my business, and you're just going to have to
live with that. You are in no position to tell me what
my business is and isn't.
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand. That could, and I hope
will, change.
And it isn't just her body.
Ah. I get it. You're trolling.
Well, game over, fuckwad. I'm not playing.
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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12 Nov 2005 04:43:41 PM |
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John Baker lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:39:37 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
John Baker lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:28:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
John Baker lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:01:43 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Gaia lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:48:56 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
kathryn lied:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1131692578.973112.134210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Parsifal lied:
No matter how many times you'll post that "abortion = murder", it will
still remain a lie as confirmed by your laws that clearly make a
difference. Why do you hate the USA so much?
Are you lying?
Can you prove that he hates the USA?
If not, then you are lying..and maybe it's YOU who hates the USA.
Because in the USA we have this thing called the constitution, and it
says that we are entitled freedom of speech. Even if he is wrong about
abortion = murder, it's still his opinion that it does equal murder.
So why don't you explain why I shouldn't think you hate the USA? And I
would like for you to prove that he hates the USA.
Oh, and answer this.
What's the difference in a woman choosing to abort a viable fetus than
killing a newborn infant?
Why do you want to increase the death rate of women so much?
Red herring. The percentage of abortions that are done
to preserve the life and health of women is miniscule.
So?
So, abortion isn't really about women's health.
It isn't really any of your business either.
It is my business, and you're just going to have to
live with that. You are in no position to tell me what
my business is and isn't.
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand. That could, and I hope
will, change.
And it isn't just her body.
Ah. I get it. You're trolling.
No.
Well, game over, fuckwad. I'm not playing.
You just *did* play, liar.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Nov 2005 02:00:48 PM |
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S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
John Baker lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:28:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
John Baker lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:01:43 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Gaia wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:48:56 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
kathryn wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1131692578.973112.134210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Parsifal wrote:
No matter how many times you'll post that "abortion = murder", it will
still remain a lie as confirmed by your laws that clearly make a
difference. Why do you hate the USA so much?
Are you lying?
Can you prove that he hates the USA?
If not, then you are lying..and maybe it's YOU who hates the USA.
Because in the USA we have this thing called the constitution, and it
says that we are entitled freedom of speech. Even if he is wrong about
abortion = murder, it's still his opinion that it does equal murder.
So why don't you explain why I shouldn't think you hate the USA? And I
would like for you to prove that he hates the USA.
Oh, and answer this.
What's the difference in a woman choosing to abort a viable fetus than
killing a newborn infant?
Why do you want to increase the death rate of women so much?
Red herring. The percentage of abortions that are done
to preserve the life and health of women is miniscule.
So?
So, abortion isn't really about women's health.
It isn't really any of your business either.
It is my business, and you're just going to have to
live with that. You are in no position to tell me what
my business is and isn't.
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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12 Nov 2005 04:11:39 PM |
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Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
John Baker lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:28:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
John Baker lied:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:01:43 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Gaia wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:48:56 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
kathryn wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1131692578.973112.134210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Parsifal wrote:
No matter how many times you'll post that "abortion = murder", it will
still remain a lie as confirmed by your laws that clearly make a
difference. Why do you hate the USA so much?
Are you lying?
Can you prove that he hates the USA?
If not, then you are lying..and maybe it's YOU who hates the USA.
Because in the USA we have this thing called the constitution, and it
says that we are entitled freedom of speech. Even if he is wrong about
abortion = murder, it's still his opinion that it does equal murder.
So why don't you explain why I shouldn't think you hate the USA? And I
would like for you to prove that he hates the USA.
Oh, and answer this.
What's the difference in a woman choosing to abort a viable fetus than
killing a newborn infant?
Why do you want to increase the death rate of women so much?
Red herring. The percentage of abortions that are done
to preserve the life and health of women is miniscule.
So?
So, abortion isn't really about women's health.
It isn't really any of your business either.
It is my business, and you're just going to have to
live with that. You are in no position to tell me what
my business is and isn't.
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Nov 2005 04:20:29 PM |
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S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied
Ray Fischer
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
John Baker
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar. A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
You pro-liar terrorists have been so corrupted by your hate that you
cannot tell the truth about anything.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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12 Nov 2005 04:42:50 PM |
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Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
John Baker lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
No.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
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| User: "Gaia" |
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12 Nov 2005 05:09:35 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet. Do you want to jail
her, for that?
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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12 Nov 2005 05:53:34 PM |
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Gaia lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet.
No, she can't, generally; that's why there are abortion
clinics. I suspect you're still sleazily trying to
equivocate between menstruation and abortion. Forget it.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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12 Nov 2005 08:58:31 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:34 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> let us all know that:
Gaia lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet.
No, she can't, generally; that's why there are abortion
clinics. I suspect you're still sleazily trying to
equivocate between menstruation and abortion. Forget it.
Don't want to have to deal with the truth, do you?
Don
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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12 Nov 2005 09:26:45 PM |
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Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:34 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Gaia lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet.
No, she can't, generally; that's why there are abortion
clinics. I suspect you're still sleazily trying to
equivocate between menstruation and abortion. Forget it.
Don't want to have to deal with the truth, do you?
I'm dealing with it all the time, donny-boy. You are
frantically trying to avoid it.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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13 Nov 2005 02:26:42 PM |
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"S. Maizlich" <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote in news:Vnydf.8417$m81.7545
@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Don Kresch lied:
Don't want to have to deal with the truth, do you?
I'm dealing with it all the time
i'm inclided to accept that. you'd have to deal with it in order to twist
it into lies as you have done so often.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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13 Nov 2005 04:29:50 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 03:26:45 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> let us all know that:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:34 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Gaia lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet.
No, she can't, generally; that's why there are abortion
clinics. I suspect you're still sleazily trying to
equivocate between menstruation and abortion. Forget it.
Don't want to have to deal with the truth, do you?
I'm dealing with it all the time, donny-boy.
No you're not, essy-boy.
Don
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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13 Nov 2005 04:42:01 PM |
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Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 03:26:45 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:34 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Gaia lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet.
No, she can't, generally; that's why there are abortion
clinics. I suspect you're still sleazily trying to
equivocate between menstruation and abortion. Forget it.
Don't want to have to deal with the truth, do you?
I'm dealing with it all the time, donny-boy.
No you're not
I am, donny.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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13 Nov 2005 10:48:40 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:42:01 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> let us all know that:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 03:26:45 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:34 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Gaia lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet.
No, she can't, generally; that's why there are abortion
clinics. I suspect you're still sleazily trying to
equivocate between menstruation and abortion. Forget it.
Don't want to have to deal with the truth, do you?
I'm dealing with it all the time, donny-boy.
No you're not
I am,
You're not, essy.
Don
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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14 Nov 2005 12:32:18 AM |
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Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:42:01 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 03:26:45 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:34 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Gaia lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet.
No, she can't, generally; that's why there are abortion
clinics. I suspect you're still sleazily trying to
equivocate between menstruation and abortion. Forget it.
Don't want to have to deal with the truth, do you?
I'm dealing with it all the time, donny-boy.
No you're not
I am,
You're not
I am, donnie-boy. Stop lying. *****.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: "She killed a bunch of kids, and you don't do that in Harris County," |
14 Nov 2005 08:17:51 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:32:18 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:42:01 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 03:26:45 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:34 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied:
Gaia lied:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:42:50 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
and traipse back out.
A woman can do that by evacuating in the toilet.
No, she can't, generally; that's why there are abortion
clinics. I suspect you're still sleazily trying to
equivocate between menstruation and abortion. Forget it.
Don't want to have to deal with the truth, do you?
I'm dealing with it all the time, donny-boy.
No you're not
I am,
You're not
I
am not, I know. Stop lying, *****.
Don
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Nov 2005 05:15:06 PM |
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S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied
Ray Fischer
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
And repeating your lies like an insane zealot convinces nobody that
you're right.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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12 Nov 2005 05:53:39 PM |
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Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
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<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
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12 Nov 2005 06:10:46 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
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12 Nov 2005 07:56:45 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:10:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> let us all know that:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
And the baby has rights; a fetus does not. The fetus is inside
a being which does have rights, namely: the woman. Her womb. Her body.
Her life. Her choice. That's it.
Don
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Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:10:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
And the baby has rights; a fetus does not.
And you can't rationally explain why there is a
distinction.
The fetus is inside
a being which does have rights, namely: the woman. Her womb. Her body.
Her life. Her choice. That's it.
No, I'm afraid it's not that simple.
Here's where we are today, donny-boy. If you drive
your car negligently and strike and kill a pregnant
woman on the way to an appointment with her ob/gyn, and
she intends to have the baby, you're guilty of *two*
counts of manslaughter. But if she's on her way to the
abortion clinic instead, you're only guilty of *one*
count of manslaughter.
How is it, donny-boy, that the pregnant woman's
FEELINGS about the fetus magically confer "rights" on
the fetus, such that you can be guilty of manslaughter
by killing it?
That plainly is a moral and legal NONSENSE, donny-boy.
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13 Nov 2005 04:34:25 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:03:49 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> let us all know that:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:10:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
And the baby has rights; a fetus does not.
And you can't rationally explain why there is a
distinction.
Of course I can. A fetus is an endobiological parasite. There
is no such thing as the right to be a parasite. There is no such thing
as the right to exist within the confines of another being, especially
when that being has the right of self-ownership. A baby is an
actualized, autonomous being. A fetus is not.
The fetus is inside
a being which does have rights, namely: the woman. Her womb. Her body.
Her life. Her choice. That's it.
No, I'm afraid it's not that simple.
I'm afraid that it is that simple, essy-boy.
http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~jnarveso/abortion.htm
Why Libertarians should be Pro-Choice regarding Abortion
by Jan Narveson
Libertarians favor liberty, obviously. But what has liberty? We
interfere with liberty when we intervene, contrary to the choice of
the person intervened upon, to foreclose him or her from taking
options of his choice, options which in their turn do not negatively
effect anyone else. Liberty consists in the absence of such
intervention against persons' wills.
This means that the only beings that can intelligibly be said to have
the general right of liberty which is the essence of the libertarian
position, are beings who can make, conscious, deliberate choices.
Fetuses can't do any such thing. Neither, to be sure, can newborns
although very soon thereafter the concept of deliberate choice becomes
applicable and remains so during the human organism's subsequent
career, until death or some consciousness-destroying disease sets in.
If, therefore, anyone wants to insist that women, or perhaps more
accurately parents-to-be, do *not* have the right to abortion, on
whatever terms they see fit to adopt, he is going to have to do so on
some other ground than the intrinsic, supreme right of liberty which
we attribute to all normal humans from late infancy on up.
Of course this means there is a problem about infanticide, which I
have discussed often enough. Infanticide is rather an odd problem,
though, since anyone who voluntarily has a baby certainly doesn't want
to destroy it. Ideally, all infants are wanted infants, and there
should not be a problem of infanticide; it is puzzling, and the sign
of something wrong somewhere, if there is such a "problem". Things can
happen, of course: parents-to-be can go insane, and of course many
births are due to accident, though in those cases, if the parents in
question has been able freely to choose abortion early on, there again
would be no problem.
Moreover, as I have pointed out, born babies, unlike fetuses, are
readily portable, and indeed are very often transferred to others, for
various reasons - given up for adoption by mothers who didn't want to
have abortions but felt they could not care for a child on their own,
and so on. So long as there are willing parental-role-assuming persons
ready to take on any unwanted infant, there again should in principle
be no problem about infanticide.
So what most otherwise-liberal theorists regard as this very dreadful
problem should not be regarded as any such thing. Infants in
particular and children generally are loved by someone, and that
someone should certainly have the right to exercise that love over a
child that others don't want.
But, to return to abortion, there is no fundamental problem here at
all. If an abortion is had, then the human organism which would have
developed into a human person with libertarian rights does not in fact
do so. There is no person harmed, as such, by abortion. And since harm
to persons is precisely what liberty consists in the absence of, that
is the end of the matter. There is, absolutely, no intelligible case
for restricting abortions on libertarian grounds.
Don
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Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:03:49 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:10:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
And the baby has rights; a fetus does not.
And you can't rationally explain why there is a
distinction.
Of course I can.
No, you can't. And you certainly can't explain why, if
the mother wants it, it is a rights-holding person, but
if she doesn't want it, it's just a lump of cells.
The fetus is inside
a being which does have rights, namely: the woman. Her womb. Her body.
Her life. Her choice. That's it.
No, I'm afraid it's not that simple.
I'm afraid that it is that simple
Sorry; it's not that simple.
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13 Nov 2005 10:51:57 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:47:03 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> let us all know that:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:03:49 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:10:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
And the baby has rights; a fetus does not.
And you can't rationally explain why there is a
distinction.
Of course I can. A fetus is an endobiological parasite. There
is no such thing as the right to be a parasite. There is no such thing
as the right to exist within the confines of another being, especially
when that being has the right of self-ownership. A baby is an
actualized, autonomous being. A fetus is not.
No,
Why not?
The fetus is inside
a being which does have rights, namely: the woman. Her womb. Her body.
Her life. Her choice. That's it.
No, I'm afraid it's not that simple.
I'm afraid that it is that simple
Sorry; it's not that simple.
Sorry, but it is that simple.
Don
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14 Nov 2005 12:32:22 AM |
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***** donnie-boy lied:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:47:03 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:03:49 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:10:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
And the baby has rights; a fetus does not.
And you can't rationally explain why there is a
distinction.
Of course I can. A fetus is an endobiological parasite. There
is no such thing as the right to be a parasite. There is no such thing
as the right to exist within the confines of another being, especially
when that being has the right of self-ownership. A baby is an
actualized, autonomous being. A fetus is not.
No,
Why not?
It was explained in the part you unethically snipped,
you *****. Go back and re-read it, then *****.
The fetus is inside
a being which does have rights, namely: the woman. Her womb. Her body.
Her life. Her choice. That's it.
No, I'm afraid it's not that simple.
I'm afraid that it is that simple
Sorry; it's not that simple.
Sorry,
It's not that simple, donnie-boy, you *****.
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14 Nov 2005 08:21:22 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:32:22 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:47:03 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:03:49 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:10:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> lied:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
And the baby has rights; a fetus does not.
And you can't rationally explain why there is a
distinction.
Of course I can. A fetus is an endobiological parasite. There
is no such thing as the right to be a parasite. There is no such thing
as the right to exist within the confines of another being, especially
when that being has the right of self-ownership. A baby is an
actualized, autonomous being. A fetus is not.
No,
Why not?
It was explained
No it was not, essy-boy. Explain it, *****.
The fetus is inside
a being which does have rights, namely: the woman. Her womb. Her body.
Her life. Her choice. That's it.
No, I'm afraid it's not that simple.
I'm afraid that it is that simple
Sorry; it's not that simple.
Sorry, it is that simple
It's not that simple,
Sorry essy-boy, you *****, it is that simple.
Don
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12 Nov 2005 08:07:47 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:03:49 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Don Kresch lied:
In alt.atheism On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:10:46 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:53:39 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
S. Maizlich <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> helpfully contributed:
Ray Fischer lied:
You are in no position to tell any woman what she may or may not do
with her own body.
Yes, I am. At present, the law is such that a woman
may get an abortion on demand.
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
You're a stupid liar.
A woman 8-months pregnant cannot get an
abortion, on demand or otherwise. A woman 5 months pregnant cannot
simply demand an abortion. Not even a woman 6-week pregnant can
simply demand an abortion and expect to get one.
Yes, a woman six weeks pregnant can simply waltz in off
the street, flush a living human being from inside her,
You're lying again.
No. They're not lies.
Why do you imagine it is a human being rather than something with the
potential to become one?
Because it is genetically complete as a human, and it
clearly will not become a goldfish or a turnip. A five
day old human baby also only has the *potential* to
become a mentally and morally competent adult human
being, but it unquestionably would be murder to kill it.
And the baby has rights; a fetus does not.
And you can't rationally explain why there is a
distinction.
Because only one is legally defined as a person, liar.
The fetus is inside
a being which does have rights, namely: the woman. Her womb. Her body.
Her life. Her choice. That's it.
No, I'm afraid it's not that simple.
Here's where we are today, donny-boy. If you drive
your car negligently and strike and kill a pregnant
woman on the way to an appointment with her ob/gyn, and
she intends to have the baby, you're guilty of *two*
counts of manslaughter. But if she's on her way to the
abortion clinic instead, you're only guilty of *one*
count of manslaughter.
How is it, donny-boy, that the pregnant woman's
FEELINGS about the fetus magically confer "rights" on
the fetus, such that you can be guilty of manslaughter
by killing it?
That plainly is a moral and legal NONSENSE, donny-boy.
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