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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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12 Jan 2006 11:37:53 PM |
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Shoot Christianity's leader? Commie conspiracy! |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1977346,00.html
Would you believe that the Catholic cult's head leaders think that
the old Soviet Union plotted to murder Christianity's head leader
and that the gunman -- Mehmet Ali Agca -- was working for them?
Utterly fucking delusionally insane.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/09/pope.gunman/index.html?section=cnn_latest
And CNN's take on the fucking kook that shot him.
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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| Title: Re: Shoot Christianity's leader? Commie conspiracy! |
13 Jan 2006 07:41:18 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11sef1abuv6i681@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1977346,00.html
Would you believe that the Catholic cult's head leaders think that
the old Soviet Union plotted to murder Christianity's head leader
and that the gunman -- Mehmet Ali Agca -- was working for them?
Utterly fucking delusionally insane.
You're an idiot, as usual.
http://www.wpherald.com/print.php?StoryID=20050404-100437-8691r
Commentary: Time of the assassins
By Arnaud de Borchgrave
UPI Editor at Large
Published April 4, 2005
Over half the world's population was not born or was less than 10 years
old when a 23-year-old Turk named Mehmet Ali Agca shot the Pope four times
with a 9 mm pistol from a distance of 15 feet as he drove through a crow
of 20,000 in St. Peter's Square. In the 24/7 coverage of the Pope John
Paul II's death, remarkably little was said about the plot, even less
about those who wanted the pope dead ASAP.
It was the Polish Pope's election in 1978 and his first visit a year
later to his native Poland (where he had been the archbishop of Cracow),
and the millions that turned out to greet him, that set alarm bells
ringing in the Kremlin. Unlike Stalin, who sneered at the pope and his
imaginary divisions, KGB chief Yuri Andropov (1967-1982) saw this
anti-Communist pope as a mortal danger to Soviet control over Eastern
Europe.
In his Polish hometown homilies, the Pope challenged Soviet
Communism's collectivist ideology - and urged the Polish regime to confine
itself to creating a safe environment for the exercise of individual
liberty. A year later, the workers of Poland launched the Solidarity
Movement under the leadership of Lech Walesa. This was the beginning of
the end for the Soviet Union, its inner and outer empires, and Communism
itself.
The head of the French CIA at the time of the assassination attempt
was Alexandre de Marenches, one of the great spy masters of the post-World
War II era. He told this reporter within days of the botched assassination
about the East European intelligence defectors who had pointed an accusing
finger at the Bulgarian KGB, one of Moscow's satellite services that
specialized in "wet" operations, spook jargon for contract killings.
Mainstream media quickly assumed the plot was the work of Turkish
terrorists known as the Gray Wolves, a neo-Nazi group of former military
and Islamist extremists. What was suspicious about this story is that it
surfaced within hours of the arrest of Ali Agca. One investigative
reporter suspected the Gray Wolves were brought in as plausible
deniability for the real culprits.
Claire Sterling, a prize-winning journalist and author, had just
published "The Terror Network" when Ali Agca tried to kill the pope. Her
articles were widely published in major U.S. magazines as she used her
Rome base for 30 years to report in Europe, the Middle East, Africa and
Southeast Asia.
Sterling quickly saw the Bulgarian connection when it became known
that Ali Agca had made several trips to Sofia, Bulgaria, and stayed in a
hotel favored by the Bulgarian KGB (DS). In Rome he had also had contacts
with a Bulgarian agent whose cover was the Bulgarian national airline
office. In an earlier incarnation, he had escaped from a Turkish jail
where he had been serving time for killing a newspaper editor.
"The Time of the Assassin," published in 1983, was Sterling's in-depth
look at the plot and investigation to kill Pope John Paul II. There was
little doubt in her mind the plot originated at 2 Dzerzhinsky Square, KGB
headquarters in Moscow. The KGB assigned this super wet operation to the
Bulgarian DS, which functioned under its orders. The Bulgarians then
looked for cover and deniability among the Turkish extremist group that
had been involved with the local KGB in lucrative drug smuggling routes
through Bulgaria to Western Europe.
President Reagan and CIA Director Bill Casey decided to play down the
Soviet link to what happened on St. Peter's Square May 13, 1981. Reagan
had just survived an assassination attempt as he left the Washington
Hilton on March 30. Any administration hint of Soviet involvement in the
plot to kill the Pope might have pushed the two nuclear superpowers to the
brink. Conspiracy buffs would have quickly concluded the KGB had also
targeted Reagan.
The pope visited Ali Agca in prison, where he served 19 years. He is
now in jail in Turkey for three years on an unrelated charge. The pontiff
later told old friends on two occasions he was also satisfied the hand
behind the plot was in Moscow.
During his trial, Ali Agca feigned madness by declaring he had acted
on God's instructions. He later claimed to be the new messiah and to have
conspired with Vatican prelates who recognized him as deity. Italian
psychiatrists concluded he had been instructed to play the fool as a way
of hiding Bulgaria's - and Moscow's - tracks.
The Italian examining magistrate who was in charge of the
investigation at the time, Ferdinando Imposimato, told Italian radio a
week ago, "I believe Agca said many true things, but then he tried to
torpedo the trial after being threatened inside prison by a Bulgarian
agent who got inside to make sure he would retract his allegations."
Last week, Corriere della Sera, Italy's most influential daily,
disclosed new documents found in the files of former East German
intelligence services, which confirm the 1981 assassination plot was
ordered by the Soviet KGB and then assigned to the Bulgarian satellite
service.
Metodi Andreev, a former official in charge of the Bulgarian KGB's
files, said he had seen correspondence between Stasi, the East German
service, and the Bulgarian spooks. These included an order from the KGB to
pull out all the stops to bury Bulgaria's connection to the plot.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1538173,00.html
DW staff / AFP (jb) | www.dw-world.de | © Deutsche Welle.
Europe | 01.04.2005
Stasi Files Implicate KGB in Pope Shooting
Recently unearthed documents from the ex-East German secret police, the
Stasi, appear to pin the 1981 assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II
on the KGB. Italy and Bulgaria have pledged to investigate the claim.
New documents found in the files of the former East German intelligence
services confirm the 1981 assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II
was ordered by the Soviet KGB and assigned to Bulgarian and East German
agents.
According to Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, the documents found by
the German government indicated that the KGB ordered Bulgarian colleagues
to carry out the killing, leaving the East German service known as the
Stasi to coordinate the operation and cover up the traces afterwards.
Bulgaria then handed the execution of the plot to Turkish extremists,
including Mehmet Ali Agca, who pulled the trigger.
Ali Agca, who is now in jail in Turkey, claimed after his arrest that the
operation was under the control of the Bulgarian embassy in Rome. The
Bulgarians have always insisted they were innocent and argued that Agca's
story was part of an anti-communist plot by the Italian secret service and
the CIA.
Bulgaria and Italy to cooperate
The documents consist mostly of letters from Stasi operatives to their
Bulgarian counterparts seeking help in covering up traces after the attack
and denying Bulgarian involvement.
So far, Bulgaria has declared its readiness to give Italy all the
information it possesses about the alleged involvement of its then
Communist secret services in the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul
II, an Italian deputy told Bulgarian bTV television Thursday.
Paolo Gozzanti, head of the parliamentary commission inquiring into the
activities of the Soviet KGB in Italy during the Cold War, said the
Bulgarian Ambassador in Rome had promised to help him obtain relevant
documents that the former Stasi sent to Bulgaria in 2002.
"We agreed to launch an immediate procedure for getting the documents as
soon as possible," he said.
Bulgarian government spokesperson Dimitar Tsonev confirmed his country's
readiness to cooperate in the investigation "as soon as we have an
official demand" from Italy."
However, the Berlin office supervising the Stasi archives said it had no
evidence linking the Stasi, or Soviet and Bulgarian secret services to the
assassination attempt.
And the former head of the Stasi, Marcus Wolf, said on Bulgarian national
television that the documents concerned demands on the part of Bulgaria
for the Stasi's help to end a "campaign against Bulgaria by the American
CIA."
Wolf added that the files also had been sent to Italy in 1995.
Pope believed assassin was a 'patsy'
Three Bulgarians were accused of masterminding the assassination attempt
on May 13, 1981. One of the three, Sergey Antonov, was arrested in 1982
and put on trial but acquitted for lack of evidence.
Metodi Andreev, former head of a Bulgarian parliamentary commission
entitled to open the files of the Communist-era secret services, confirmed
that Sofia had received some Stasi documents in the spring of 2002.
"I do not know if they is any proof of a Bulgarian involvement in the
attack but we need to clear up that problem in order not to throw a shadow
on contemporary Bulgaria," he said.
Gozzanti said it was necessary to find out the truth before the death of
the pope, who has said in his own memoir, "Memory and Identity:
Conversations Between Millenniums," that Ali Agca was a tool of outside
forces. And in a visit to Bulgaria in May 2002, the pope said he "never
believed in the so-called Bulgarian connection."
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Shoot Christianity's leader? Commie conspiracy! |
13 Jan 2006 01:22:58 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1977346,00.html
Would you believe that the Catholic cult's head leaders think that
the old Soviet Union plotted to murder Christianity's head leader
and that the gunman -- Mehmet Ali Agca -- was working for them?
Utterly fucking delusionally insane.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/09/pope.gunman/index.html?section=cnn_latest
And CNN's take on the fucking kook that shot him.
---
"Who died and made you Pat Robertson?" - alt.atheism.holysmoke
"Andy screams and breaks out his crucifix." - Stoney
"Rice is steamed." -- Seethis Pass (alt.impeach.bush.)
"Your need to kneel at the crotch of an alpha male in
the sky is pure ape behavior." -- Desertphile
Christianity doesn't have a head leader. Catholicism, one particular
branch of Christianity, has a head leader.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Shoot Christianity's leader? Commie conspiracy! |
13 Jan 2006 09:31:50 PM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1977346,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/09/pope.gunman/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Christianity doesn't have a head leader. Catholicism, one particular
branch of Christianity, has a head leader.
Damn, you just denied Jesus -- and the ***** didn't crow once.
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George W. Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
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