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Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools? |
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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28 Mar 2006 06:20:32 PM |
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<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:cbgi22prfq7t8j7sddv3ijigqjidggp0c3@4ax.com...
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
Sure, in the context of comparitive religion. They should also teach the
Talmud, the Quran, and all other forms of religious mythology - in that
context.
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JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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29 Mar 2006 09:13:02 PM |
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Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
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| User: "Alohacyberian" |
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30 Mar 2006 03:46:43 AM |
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"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
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buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "_Bible as
Literature_" class. She continued to do so until she retired. (She was an
agnostic, but was well-schooled in literature). KM
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| User: "fred" |
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05 Apr 2006 07:33:28 PM |
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Alohacyberian wrote:
"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1143688382.720683.88060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "_Bible as
Literature_" class. She continued to do so until she retired. (She was an
agnostic, but was well-schooled in literature). KM
Good, the Christian taxpayers in that particular community had spoken.
--
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visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI or
CNN, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards & 150 foreign languages
Visit Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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06 Apr 2006 04:51:05 AM |
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"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Alohacyberian wrote:
"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1143688382.720683.88060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "_Bible as
Literature_" class. She continued to do so until she retired. (She was an
agnostic, but was well-schooled in literature). KM
Good, the Christian taxpayers in that particular community had spoken.
There is no evidence that "Christian taxpayers" in that community said
a damned thing about the matter.
lojbab
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| User: "fred" |
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15 Apr 2006 10:25:18 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Alohacyberian wrote:
"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1143688382.720683.88060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "_Bible as
Literature_" class. She continued to do so until she retired. (She was an
agnostic, but was well-schooled in literature). KM
Good, the Christian taxpayers in that particular community had spoken.
There is no evidence that "Christian taxpayers" in that community said
a damned thing about the matter.
"Outraged Christian parents" were evidently the majority vote.
lojbab
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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16 Apr 2006 07:23:04 AM |
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"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Alohacyberian wrote:
"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1143688382.720683.88060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "_Bible as
Literature_" class. She continued to do so until she retired. (She was an
agnostic, but was well-schooled in literature). KM
Good, the Christian taxpayers in that particular community had spoken.
There is no evidence that "Christian taxpayers" in that community said
a damned thing about the matter.
"Outraged Christian parents" were evidently the majority vote.
No, They were just the noisiest voters, and the squeaky wheel got the
grease. Just like in Dover PA where a school board heeded a noisy
minority and tried to teach creationism in science class, only to find
the majority booting every single one of them out of office.
Even in Kansas, every time the idiots try to stick religion in the
science classroom, in the following election they get voted out of
office.
And the latest poll from Alabama is that ex-judge Roy Moore has only
20% of the *Republicans* supporting him for governor.
http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/news/1145179390269900.xml&coll=3
The Christian Reich is noisier than they are numerous. Praise the
Lord!
lojbab
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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16 Apr 2006 09:31:04 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:23:04 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Alohacyberian wrote:
"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1143688382.720683.88060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "_Bible as
Literature_" class. She continued to do so until she retired. (She was an
agnostic, but was well-schooled in literature). KM
Good, the Christian taxpayers in that particular community had spoken.
There is no evidence that "Christian taxpayers" in that community said
a damned thing about the matter.
"Outraged Christian parents" were evidently the majority vote.
No, They were just the noisiest voters, and the squeaky wheel got the
grease. Just like in Dover PA where a school board heeded a noisy
minority and tried to teach creationism in science class, only to find
the majority booting every single one of them out of office.
And a valuable year of science education gets worse than wasted.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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07 Apr 2006 02:33:56 AM |
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:33:28 -0500, fred wrote
(in article <1144283607.976698.15870@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
Alohacyberian wrote:
"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1143688382.720683.88060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "_Bible as
Literature_" class. She continued to do so until she retired. (She was an
agnostic, but was well-schooled in literature). KM
Good, the Christian taxpayers in that particular community had spoken.
And you know this because?
You're a mental hospital of one.
Gray Shockley
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Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
hitler and his sycophants or
advocating hitler's goals,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.
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| User: "fred" |
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15 Apr 2006 10:27:08 PM |
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Gray Shockley wrote:
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:33:28 -0500, fred wrote
(in article <1144283607.976698.15870@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
Alohacyberian wrote:
"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1143688382.720683.88060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "_Bible as
Literature_" class. She continued to do so until she retired. (She was an
agnostic, but was well-schooled in literature). KM
Good, the Christian taxpayers in that particular community had spoken.
And you know this because?
From the given information, "outraged Christian parents" were evidently
the majority vote.
You're a mental hospital of one.
Gray Shockley
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Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
hitler and his sycophants or
advocating hitler's goals,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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30 Mar 2006 10:04:55 AM |
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In article <1143688382.720683.88060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> writes:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
One of the English teachers in my high school used to offer a "Bible as
Literature" class, he ceased doing so because of outraged christian
parents.
That's gratifyingly in line with my long-standing prediction
that if the Bible ever were to be taught in an objective and
academic manner in public schools, or if Christianity were
discussed using a scholarly one-among-many approach in a public
school comparative religion class, the fundies would soon
be lobbying to put a stop to it.
-- cary
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29 Mar 2006 06:25:29 PM |
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wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/255095.htm
About - News & Issues - New York,NY,USA
... America is so skittish about maintaining a separation between Church
and State, [it has] neglected its children's education ... ...
Abolish public education and solve the dilemma:
"Our government with its liberty and free institutions will not long
survive a government trained and supervised youth. ... Such a youth can
be a revolutionary machine." J. Reuben Clark.
"A general state education is a mere contrivance for molding people to
be exactly like one another: and as the mold in which it casts them is
that which pleases the predominant power in the government ... in
proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism
over the mind, leading by natural tendency to one over the body." John
Stuart Mill.
"Give me a child for eight years and it will be a Bolshevist forever."
Lenin.
"In my great educative work, I am beginning with the young." Hitler.
"Like every other form of state-directed activity in the Soviet Union,
education is conceived as a weapon serving the interests of the
Communist Party and dedicated to a single objective--the victory of the
Soviet system." Khruschev.
From the very beginning of recorded political thought, man has realized
the importance of education as a tremendous potential for both good and
evil. In a free and open society such as ours, a well-rounded education
is an essential for the preservation of freedom against the chicanery
and demagoguery of aspiring tyrants who would have us ignorantly vote
ourselves into bondage. As the educational system falls into the hands
of the in-power political faction or into the hands of an obscure but
tightly knit group of professional social reformers, it is used not to
educate but to indoctrinate. Ezra Taft Benson
There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution which authorized the
federal government to enter into the field of education. Furthermore,
the Tenth Amendment says: "The powers not delegated to the United States
by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to
the States respectively, or to the people." Nothing could be more clear.
It is unconstitutional for the federal government to exercise any powers
over education. Ezra Taft Benson
"The project of a national education ought uniformly to be
discouraged on account of its obvious alliance with national government.
This is an alliance of a more formidable nature than the old and much
contested alliance of church and state. Before we put so powerful a
machine under the direction of so ambiguous an agent, it behoves us to
consider well what it is that we do. Government will not fail to employ
it, to strengthen its hands and perpetuate its institutions. If we
could even suppose the agents of government not to propose to themselves
an object which will be apt to appear in their eyes, not merely
innocent, but meritorious; the evil would not the less happen. Their
views as institutors of a system of education will not fail to be
analogous to their views in their political capacity: the data upon
which their conduct as statesmen is vindicated will be the data upon
which their instructions are founded. ... Had the scheme of a national
education been adopted when despotism was most triumphant, it is not to
be believed that it could for ever stifled the voice of truth. But it
would have been the most formidable and profound contrivance for that
purpose that imagination can suggest." William Godwin.
During the past several years many of our institutions of learning have
been turning out an increasing number of students schooled in amorality,
relativity and atheism -- students divested of a belief in God, without
fixed moral principles or an understanding of our constitutional
republic and our capitalistic, free enterprise economic system. This
follows a pattern which was established years ago at some of our key
colleges that produced many of the teachers and leaders in the
educational field across the country today. Ezra Taft Benson
From the fifth grade through the fourth year of college, our young
people are being indoctrinated with a Marxist philosophy, and I am
fearful of the harvest. The younger generation is further to the left
than most adults realize. The old concepts of our Founding Fathers are
scoffed and jeered at by young moderns whose goals appear to be the
destruction of integrity and virtue, and the glorification of pleasure,
thrills, and self-indulgence. Ezra Taft Benson
"History allows us to examine other societies, other critical
approaches to life, which we may compare and contrast with our own, and
so understand and take the measure of our own more securely. The
society that loses its grip on the past is in danger, for it produces
men who know nothing but the present, and who are not aware that life
has been, and could be different from what it is. Such men bear tyranny
easily; for they have nothing with which to compare it." T. J. Saunders.
It seems fashionable today for historians to "secularize" our history.
Many modern scholars seem uncomfortable with the idea that a divine
power had a hand in the beginning of our nation. They seek to explain
away what the colonists themselves saw as divine intervention in their
behalf. They credit even those remarkable events to "natural causes" or
"rational" explanations. All events are explained from a "humanistic"
frame of reference. This removes the need for faith in God or a belief
that He is interested in the affairs of men. Ezra Taft Benson
God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be
secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the
gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is
just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas Jefferson
If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible; our country will go
on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its
instruction and authority; no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may
overwhelm us and bury our glory in profound obscurity.
Daniel Webster
The real democratic American idea is not that every man shall be on a
level with every other, but that everyone shall have liberty, without
hindrance, to be what God made him.
Henry Ward Beecher
The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as
sacred as the laws of God, and there is not a force of law and public
justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.
John Adams Letter, quoted in Fortune, February, 1951.
I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form
of tyranny over the mind of man.
Vice President THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to Benjamin Rush, September 23,
1800. -- The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, ed. Andrew A. Lipscomb, vol.
10, p. 175 (1903).
Carved at the base of the dome, interior of the Jefferson Memorial,
Washington, D.C.
The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.
Thomas Jefferson
During the 4th century A.D., the Roman emperor Julian tried to destroy
Christianity by forbidding Christians from teaching their principles in
the public schools. The historian Edward Gibbons writes, "In all the
cities of the Roman world the education of the youth was intrusted to
masters of grammar and rhetoric, who were elected by the magistrates,
maintained at the public expense, and distinguished by many lucrative
and honourable privileges. ... As soon as the resignation of the more
obstinate (Christian) teachers had established the unrivalled dominion
of the Pagan sophists, Julian invited the rising generation to resort
with freedom to the public schools, in a just confidence that their
tender minds would receive the impressions of literature and idolatry.
If the greatest part of the Christian youth should be deterred by their
own scruples, or by those of their parents, from accepting this
dangerous mode of instruction, they must, at the same time, relinquish
the benefits of a liberal education. Julian had reason to expect that,
in the space of a few years, the church would relapse into its primeval
simplicity, and that the theologians, who possessed an adequate share of
the learning and eloquence of the age, would be succeeded by a
generation of blind and ignorant fanatics, incapable of defending the
truth of their own principles, or of exposing the various follies of
Polytheism." The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Ch. 23.
It is capable of exact demonstration that if every party in the State
has the right of excluding from public schools whatever he does not
believe to be true, then he that believes most must give way to him that
believes least, and then he that believes least must give way to him
that believes absolutely nothing, no matter in how small a minority the
atheists or agnostics may be. It is self-evident that on this scheme, if
it is consistently and persistently carried out in all parts of the
country, the United States system of national popular education will be
the most efficient and widespread instrument for the propagation of
atheism which the world has ever seen. Dr. A. A. Hodge
I regret exceedingly that courses in study in the public schools, in the
colleges and places of learning throughout the land, are in conflict
with fundamental truths of the Christian faith; and, for one, I desire
to express my feelings, and to declare that I consider it an outrage
against the liberties of the people, when we are denied the privilege of
teaching principles of eternal truth in the realm of religion; when we
are denied the privilege of praying to our Heavenly Father in the
schools, or referring to the Supreme Being for fear that we will offend
someone; and at the same time instructors are permitted to advocate
that, in the schools, which the teachers themselves profess and declare
to be in conflict with the fundamentals of the faith which I belive, and
which thousands of others accept throughout this nation and other
nations of the world as divine truth. Joseph Fielding Smith Jr.
"There are . . . eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that
are common to all states of society. But communism abolishes eternal
truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality . . . " Karl Marx
We may first observe that communism and socialism -- which we shall
hereafter group together and dub Statism -- cannot live with
Christianity nor with any religion that postulates a Creator such as the
Declaration of Independence recognizes. The slaves of Statism must know
no power, no authority, no source of blessing, no God, but the State....
Ezra Taft Benson
"If you can induce a community to doubt the genuineness and authenticity
of the Scriptures; to question the reality, and obligations of religion;
to hesitate, undeciding, whether there be any such thing as virtue or
vice; whether there be an eternal state of retribution beyond the grave;
or whether there exists any such being as God, you have broken down the
barriers of moral virtue and hoisted the flood gates of immorality and
crime. I need not say, that when a people have once done this, they can
no longer exist as a tranquil and happy people. Every bond that holds
society together would take the place of confidence between man and man;
the tribunals would be scenes of bribery and injustice; avarice,
perjury, ambition, and revenge would walk through the land, and render
it more like the dwelling of savage beasts, than the tranquil abode of
civilized and christianized men." McGuffy's Reader, 1854
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29 Mar 2006 06:56:30 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:25:29 GMT, Tim <timccr48-news@spammyyahoo.com>
wrote:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/255095.htm
About - News & Issues - New York,NY,USA
... America is so skittish about maintaining a separation between Church
and State, [it has] neglected its children's education ... ...
Abolish public education and solve the dilemma:
And you'll get an even dumber population.
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Apr 2006 08:17:52 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:56:30 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:25:29 GMT, Tim <timccr48-news@spammyyahoo.com>
wrote:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/255095.htm
About - News & Issues - New York,NY,USA
... America is so skittish about maintaining a separation between Church
and State, [it has] neglected its children's education ... ...
Abolish public education and solve the dilemma:
And you'll get an even dumber population.
I don't think that's possible.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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30 Mar 2006 07:21:25 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:25:29 GMT, Tim <timccr48-news@spammyyahoo.com> wrote:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/255095.htm
About - News & Issues - New York,NY,USA
... America is so skittish about maintaining a separation between Church
and State, [it has] neglected its children's education ... ...
Abolish public education and solve the dilemma:
<SNIP>
It's only a dilemma in your mind and nothing compared to the rampant illiteracy
the would occur, especially among the poor who could not afford to pay for
school.
Ben
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| Title: Re: Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools? |
28 Mar 2006 03:39:54 PM |
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wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/255095.htm
About - News & Issues - New York,NY,USA
... America is so skittish about maintaining a separation between Church
and State, [it has] neglected its children's education ... ...
The obvious answer is no.
Should we teach the Anarchist's Cookbook, the Turner Diaries, Mein
Kampf, the Quran, the Talmud, Who Moved My Cheese or TV Guide?
There are plenty of texts that are of little educational value. Outside
of a religious context, the Bible is neither fact nor history and is of
very little educational value. It may have historical relevancy but so
do the works of Patrick O'Brian (Aubrey-Maturin series) (a lot of
educational value, IMO) and James A. Michener.
What would teaching the Bible in school do except to cause division
among those that are not followers of the Bible. My children would be
put into a position of continuously having to defend their non-belief to
their peers that took a course about the Bible. Teaching the Bible, in
any context, doesn't provide for a well-rounded education unless it is
taught with all religions and equal time given to all.
What is Utopia for the religious-right zealotry?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?; Dave's phobias evidently more real to him than 10th, 14th |
12 Apr 2006 06:23:20 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
:|"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
:|>I want the federal government to be what the Founding Christians
:|>intended for it to be.
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:|You mean like this "Founding Christian" that you love to quote?
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:|http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_2.html
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:|lojbab
There is at least one bogus quote in the above cited works, the famous or
infamous quote attributed to a mysterious Dr. Woods
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world,
and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming
feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies"
........ Dr. Woods
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| User: "fred" |
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| Title: Re: Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools? |
28 Mar 2006 06:17:17 PM |
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Dave wrote:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/255095.htm
About - News & Issues - New York,NY,USA
... America is so skittish about maintaining a separation between Church
and State, [it has] neglected its children's education ... ...
The obvious answer is no.
Should we teach the Anarchist's Cookbook, the Turner Diaries, Mein
Kampf, the Quran, the Talmud, Who Moved My Cheese or TV Guide?
Public schools can offer whatever classes the local taxpayers are
willing to pay for.
There are plenty of texts that are of little educational value. Outside
of a religious context, the Bible is neither fact nor history and is of
very little educational value. It may have historical relevancy but so
do the works of Patrick O'Brian (Aubrey-Maturin series) (a lot of
educational value, IMO) and James A. Michener.
Thank you for your opinion about the Bible.
What would teaching the Bible in school do except to cause division
among those that are not followers of the Bible. My children would be
put into a position of continuously having to defend their non-belief to
their peers that took a course about the Bible. Teaching the Bible, in
any context, doesn't provide for a well-rounded education unless it is
taught with all religions and equal time given to all.
Theocracy related classes should be non-mandatory (14th). You're
children shouldn't be concerned with theocracy classes that they don't
take any more than any other class that they don't take.
What is Utopia for the religious-right zealotry?
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools? |
28 Mar 2006 06:55:17 PM |
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If we are going to teach religions in the public school class rooms that we
should at least include all of these major religions.
There is no logical or fair reason to just teach your religion.
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143591437.803489.120790@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Dave wrote:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/255095.htm
About - News & Issues - New York,NY,USA
... America is so skittish about maintaining a separation between
Church
and State, [it has] neglected its children's education ... ...
The obvious answer is no.
Should we teach the Anarchist's Cookbook, the Turner Diaries, Mein
Kampf, the Quran, the Talmud, Who Moved My Cheese or TV Guide?
Public schools can offer whatever classes the local taxpayers are
willing to pay for.
There are plenty of texts that are of little educational value. Outside
of a religious context, the Bible is neither fact nor history and is of
very little educational value. It may have historical relevancy but so
do the works of Patrick O'Brian (Aubrey-Maturin series) (a lot of
educational value, IMO) and James A. Michener.
Thank you for your opinion about the Bible.
What would teaching the Bible in school do except to cause division
among those that are not followers of the Bible. My children would be
put into a position of continuously having to defend their non-belief to
their peers that took a course about the Bible. Teaching the Bible, in
any context, doesn't provide for a well-rounded education unless it is
taught with all religions and equal time given to all.
Theocracy related classes should be non-mandatory (14th). You're
children shouldn't be concerned with theocracy classes that they don't
take any more than any other class that they don't take.
What is Utopia for the religious-right zealotry?
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| User: "Western World" |
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| Title: Re: Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools? |
29 Mar 2006 08:18:23 PM |
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Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?
DEPENDS!
Our High School, Winnesquam Regional, teaches both the Bible and the
Koran in literature clases.
Neither should be offered as anything other than literature.
Fundies should never imagine that superstition and legend is science.
They think a deity describes science with myth. Nothing supports this
assertion.
Creationism belongs in comparative religion classes. Nothing wrong with
that. But no idea that cant provide a cohesive theory and demonstrate it
with experiment is science.
Yes....Good reasons to put a wall between supernaturalism and the
state's responsibilities to it's people of all beliefs.
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HOME PAGE
http://www.stopthereligiousright.org
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COMPARE COMMANDMENTS TO CONSTITUTION
http://community-2.webtv.net/tales_of_the_western_world/TENCOMMANDMENTS/
THE CLASSICAL TEMPLE ARCHITECTURE OF WASHINGTON, DC
http://community-2.webtv.net/westernmind/WASHINGTONDC/
THE RISE OF CHRISTIANITY: THE CHURCH-STATE IRON FIST: 306-565
http://community-2.webtv.net/tales_of_the_western_world/RL
HOMOSEXUALITY UNDER FASCISM, STALINISM & JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY
http://community-2.webtv.net/westernmind/REICHOFFICE
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: Should Bible Classes Be Taught in Public Schools?-fucking no to hell |
28 Mar 2006 05:46:57 PM |
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no to hell, school is for FACTS, not made up religious HORSESHIT
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