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User: "Budikka666"
Date: 13 Jul 2007 04:57:26 PM
Object: Should Christians Be Stoned?
All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!
Now for those who didn't inhale...
The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)
Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....
The Bible Rocks!
Budikka
.

User: "GreyHairedFart throwaway1833.hotmail.com"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 06:02:00 PM
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1184363846.967732.249810@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!

Now for those who didn't inhale...

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy

son,

or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice

thee

secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon

him

to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)

Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

The Bible Rocks!

Budikka

Don't make it any harder for them. They are still trying to squeeze the
father, the son and the holy spirit into one body so that they don't
violate their first commandment while denying the son really said "Oh
me, why am I forsaking myself?".
My parents taught me I could not get my way when I was about four. I
guess it takes a little longer for Christians.
.

User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 01:33:24 PM
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in news:1184363846.967732.249810
@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!

Now for those who didn't inhale...

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)

Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

The Bible Rocks!

According to Father Bob Dylan, EVERYbody must get stoned.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
.

User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 11:40:02 PM
Budikka666 wrote:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!

Now for those who didn't inhale...

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)

Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

The Bible Rocks!

There are no real gods on this planet, only primitives,
and some of them are still living!



Budikka

.

User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 03:56:22 AM
In article <1184363846.967732.249810@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now!

I still think that getting at least a little high would do most of them
a world of good... An awful lot of them could stand a lesson in how to
chill.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
.

User: "bramble"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 02:46:25 PM
On 13 jul, 22:57, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!

Now for those who didn't inhale...

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)

Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

The Bible Rocks!

Budikka

Budikka, you must have wrong the numbers. I cannot find this in the
SAB
I am looking in other places to see what went wrong.
Bramble
.

User: "bramble"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 03:03:49 PM
On 13 jul, 22:57, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!

Now for those who didn't inhale...

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)

Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

The Bible Rocks!

Budikka

Here is the error.
Deuteronomy 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or
thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as
thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve
other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh
unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even
unto the other end of the earth;
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither
shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou
conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon
him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he
hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought
thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Comments from SAB
Deut 13:6-10)
"Thine hand shall be first upon him."
If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to
worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be
first upon him to put him to death."
If Bible-believers followed this one, they would have to kill many of
their own family and friends.
How should nonbelievers be treated?
What the Bible says about non-Christians, stoning, and religious
tolerance
Biblical Justice: Everybody must get stoned
When to Stone Your Whole Family
Bramble
.

User: "bramble"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 02:40:37 PM
On 13 jul, 22:57, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!

Now for those who didn't inhale...

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)

Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

The Bible Rocks!

Budikka

VERY GOOD!!! FANTASTIC!!! I have to save this in a folder I got
called Bible.
Bramble
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 05:01:21 PM
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:57:26 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)
Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

Where did Peter, Paul and Mary (not of music fame) entice people to serve Jesus?

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka

Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 16 Jul 2007 05:29:44 AM
On 14 juil, 00:01, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:57:26 -0700, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)
Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....


Where did Peter, Paul and Mary (not of music fame) entice people to serve Jesus?

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka


Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.

This from the moron who's never heard of the parable of the beam and
the mote...
I'll grant you this, Puke: the day I decide to become a complete
idiot, I want to be just like you.
.

User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 11:23:09 PM
One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> bloodied us up
with this:

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka


Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.

Maybe you should. But I doubt you could do it from an objective
viewpoint.
Hey Duke, did you sign this to become a True Catholic? Did you ever read
it?
The Jesuit Oath:
Text of the Oath:)
I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed
Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St.
Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to
you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus,
founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the
Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the
matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His
Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's Vice-Regent and is the true and only
head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and
that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His
Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose
heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments,
and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power
I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom
against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority
whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark,
Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of
England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in
Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all
adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing
the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any
allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named
Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates
or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of
England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the
name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to
be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I
will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in
any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland
or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and
do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic
doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or
otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding,
I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the
propagation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and
private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they entrust
me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or
circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed,
given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or
any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will
have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever,
even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will
unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my
superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will
go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen
regions north, jungles of India, to the centres of civilisation of
Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America
without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things,
whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare
that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war,
secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as
I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole
earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that
will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these
infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women,
and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to
annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done
openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord,
the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the
honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be
their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time
may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the
Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In
confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all
corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will
subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should
I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and
fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet
and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned
therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on
earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell
forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in
preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will
leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I
will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and
vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if
in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place
Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made
of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself
with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is
passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual
or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do
swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to
receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony
hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist
and witness the same further with my name written with the point
of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this
holy sacrament.
(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the
point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his
heart.)
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 07:26:37 AM
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:23:09 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka

Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.

Maybe you should. But I doubt you could do it from an objective
viewpoint.

Hey, vs, what makes you think I'm not objective. I agree with bud the dud - the
bible rocks.

Hey Duke, did you sign this to become a True Catholic? Did you ever read
it?

That's some sort of Jesuit oath. Perhaps you can point out if it's valid. So
far, the google sources make it a joke.
The Jesuits are the Society of Jesus, a priestly "order". I believe they were
founded at a time of fighting the Muslim hoards attacking Europe and the Holy
Lands, and the protest_ant reformation. Hence the total dedication to the
Catholic Church and rejection of Church faith to the state/king.
Is there something specific you don't like about it in light of it's origin?

The Jesuit Oath:

Text of the Oath:)
I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed
Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St.
Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to
you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus,
founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the
Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the
matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His
Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's Vice-Regent and is the true and only
head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and
that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His
Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose
heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments,
and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power
I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom
against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority
whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark,
Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of
England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in
Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all
adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing
the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any
allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named
Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates
or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of
England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the
name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to
be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I
will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in
any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland
or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and
do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic
doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or
otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding,
I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the
propagation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and
private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they entrust
me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or
circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed,
given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or
any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will
have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever,
even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will
unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my
superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will
go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen
regions north, jungles of India, to the centres of civilisation of
Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America
without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things,
whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare
that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war,
secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as
I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole
earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that
will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these
infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women,
and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to
annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done
openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord,
the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the
honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be
their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time
may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the
Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In
confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all
corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will
subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should
I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and
fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet
and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned
therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on
earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell
forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in
preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will
leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I
will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and
vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if
in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place
Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made
of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself
with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is
passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual
or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do
swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to
receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony
hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist
and witness the same further with my name written with the point
of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this
holy sacrament.

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the
point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his
heart.)

duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 15 Jul 2007 01:58:25 AM
One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> bloodied us up
with this:

Hey Duke, did you sign this to become a True Catholic? Did you ever
read it?


That's some sort of Jesuit oath. Perhaps you can point out if it's
valid. So far, the google sources make it a joke.

The Jesuits are the Society of Jesus, a priestly "order". I believe
they were founded at a time of fighting the Muslim hoards attacking
Europe and the Holy Lands, and the protest_ant reformation. Hence the
total dedication to the Catholic Church and rejection of Church faith
to the state/king.

Is there something specific you don't like about it in light of it's
origin?

Did you read it? It's outrageous. If I'm wrong that it has *anything* at
all to do with the Catholic faith, even the faith of Torquemada, I
apologize. But even so, if this held any truth toward the motivations of
the armies of the Crusades, then shame on them, and shame on you for
accepting your heritage as glorious.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 16 Jul 2007 04:02:11 PM
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:58:25 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:

That's some sort of Jesuit oath. Perhaps you can point out if it's
valid. So far, the google sources make it a joke.


The Jesuits are the Society of Jesus, a priestly "order". I believe
they were founded at a time of fighting the Muslim hoards attacking
Europe and the Holy Lands, and the protest_ant reformation. Hence the
total dedication to the Catholic Church and rejection of Church faith
to the state/king.


Is there something specific you don't like about it in light of it's
origin?

Did you read it? It's outrageous. If I'm wrong that it has *anything* at
all to do with the Catholic faith, even the faith of Torquemada, I
apologize. But even so, if this held any truth toward the motivations of
the armies of the Crusades, then shame on them, and shame on you for
accepting your heritage as glorious.

Read it again. It's a dedication oath to the RCC during the times of the
protest_er reformation and the crusades against the muslim hoards burning Europe
and the Holy Land.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 16 Jul 2007 10:00:30 PM
One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> bloodied us up
with this:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:58:25 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:

That's some sort of Jesuit oath. Perhaps you can point out if it's
valid. So far, the google sources make it a joke.


The Jesuits are the Society of Jesus, a priestly "order". I believe
they were founded at a time of fighting the Muslim hoards attacking
Europe and the Holy Lands, and the protest_ant reformation. Hence
the total dedication to the Catholic Church and rejection of Church
faith to the state/king.


Is there something specific you don't like about it in light of it's
origin?


Did you read it? It's outrageous. If I'm wrong that it has
*anything* at all to do with the Catholic faith, even the faith of
Torquemada, I apologize. But even so, if this held any truth toward
the motivations of the armies of the Crusades, then shame on them, and
shame on you for accepting your heritage as glorious.


Read it again. It's a dedication oath to the RCC during the times of
the protest_er reformation and the crusades against the muslim hoards
burning Europe and the Holy Land.

Ahh. OK. Former dogma, eh? :-)
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
.




User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 12:00:02 AM
On Jul 13, 11:23 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> bloodied us up
with this:

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka


Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.


Maybe you should.

Duck & Run is too stupid and chickenshit to read and comprehend the
Bible. If he actually did, he'd have to face up to the inhumanity,
lack of morality, the cruelty and the barbarism. Then his religion of
love would go to Hell in a handbasket!
Budikka
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 07:27:33 AM
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:00:02 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.

Maybe you should.

Duck & Run is too stupid and chickenshit to read and comprehend the
Bible. If he actually did, he'd have to face up to the inhumanity,
lack of morality, the cruelty and the barbarism. Then his religion of
love would go to Hell in a handbasket!

You're just mad because I know what it says and you don't. And you constantly
run from me to make sure I don't embarrass you once again.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.


User: "Chris H. Fleming"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 02:31:17 AM
On Jul 14, 12:23 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> bloodied us up
with this:

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka


Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.


Maybe you should. But I doubt you could do it from an objective
viewpoint.

Hey Duke, did you sign this to become a True Catholic? Did you ever read
it?

The Jesuit Oath:

Text of the Oath:)
I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed
Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St.
Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to
you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus,
founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the
Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the
matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His
Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's Vice-Regent and is the true and only
head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and
that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His
Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose
heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments,
and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power
I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom
against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority
whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark,
Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of
England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in
Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all
adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing
the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any
allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named
Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates
or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of
England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the
name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to
be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I
will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in
any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland
or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and
do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic
doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or
otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding,
I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the
propagation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and
private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they entrust
me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or
circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed,
given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or
any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will
have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever,
even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will
unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my
superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will
go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen
regions north, jungles of India, to the centres of civilisation of
Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America
without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things,
whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare
that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war,
secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as
I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole
earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that
will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these
infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women,
and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to
annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done
openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord,
the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the
honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be
their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time
may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the
Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In
confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all
corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will
subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should
I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and
fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet
and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned
therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on
earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell
forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in
preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will
leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I
will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and
vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if
in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place
Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made
of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself
with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is
passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual
or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do
swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to
receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony
hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist
and witness the same further with my name written with the point
of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this
holy sacrament.

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the
point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his
heart.)

That's "The Jesuit Oath" is a fake.
.
User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 08:37:14 PM
On Jul 14, 2:31 am, "Chris H. Fleming" <chris_h_flem...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Jul 14, 12:23 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:



One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> bloodied us up
with this:


The Bible Rocks!
Budikka


Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.


Maybe you should. But I doubt you could do it from an objective
viewpoint.


Hey Duke, did you sign this to become a True Catholic? Did you ever read
it?


The Jesuit Oath:


Text of the Oath:)
I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed
Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St.
Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to
you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus,
founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the
Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the
matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His
Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's Vice-Regent and is the true and only
head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and
that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His
Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose
heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments,
and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power
I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom
against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority
whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark,
Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of
England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in
Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all
adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing
the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any
allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named
Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates
or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of
England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the
name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to
be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I
will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in
any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland
or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and
do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic
doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or
otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding,
I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the
propagation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and
private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they entrust
me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or
circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed,
given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or
any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will
have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever,
even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will
unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my
superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will
go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen
regions north, jungles of India, to the centres of civilisation of
Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America
without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things,
whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare
that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war,
secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as
I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole
earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that
will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these
infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women,
and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to
annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done
openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord,
the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the
honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be
their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time
may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the
Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In
confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all
corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will
subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should
I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and
fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet
and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned
therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on
earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell
forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in
preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will
leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I
will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and
vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if
in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place
Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made
of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself
with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is
passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual
or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do
swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to
receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony
hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist
and witness the same further with my name written with the point
of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this
holy sacrament.


(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the
point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his
heart.)


That's "The Jesuit Oath" is a fake.

Since the religion is also a fake it would seem highly appropriate!
Budikka
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 15 Jul 2007 04:38:41 PM
If they do desire, but pot is illegal in most Christian countries. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 15 Jul 2007 01:51:30 AM
One fine day in alt.atheism, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> bloodied us
up with this:

That's "The Jesuit Oath" is a fake.


Since the religion is also a fake it would seem highly appropriate!

Perhaps. I found it consistent with Catholic beliefs, or maybe I wanted it
to be consistent with Catholic beliefs. It doesn't really matter. We know
what the Catholics have done in the past, and widh they could do again.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
.
User: "Chris H. Fleming"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 15 Jul 2007 06:20:43 AM
On Jul 15, 2:51 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> bloodied us
up with this:

That's "The Jesuit Oath" is a fake.


Since the religion is also a fake it would seem highly appropriate!


Perhaps. I found it consistent with Catholic beliefs, or maybe I wanted it
to be consistent with Catholic beliefs. It doesn't really matter. We know
what the Catholics have done in the past, and widh they could do again.

Stuff like that gives people an excuse not to pay attention to the
really bad stuff.
.




User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 11:43:01 PM
Uncle Vic wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> bloodied us up
with this:

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka


Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.


Maybe you should. But I doubt you could do it from an objective
viewpoint.

Hey Duke, did you sign this to become a True Catholic? Did you ever read
it?

The Jesuit Oath:

Text of the Oath:)
I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed
Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St.
Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to
you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus,
founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the
Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the
matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His
Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's Vice-Regent and is the true and only
head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and
that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His
Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose
heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments,
and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power
I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom
against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority
whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark,
Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of
England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in
Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all
adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing
the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any
allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named
Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates
or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of
England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the
name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to
be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I
will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in
any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland
or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and
do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic
doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or
otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding,
I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the
propagation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and
private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they entrust
me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or
circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed,
given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or
any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will
have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever,
even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will
unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my
superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will
go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen
regions north, jungles of India, to the centres of civilisation of
Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America
without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things,
whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare
that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war,
secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as
I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole
earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that
will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these
infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women,
and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to
annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done
openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord,
the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the
honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be
their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time
may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the
Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In
confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all
corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will
subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should
I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and
fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet
and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned
therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on
earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell
forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in
preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will
leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I
will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and
vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if
in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place
Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made
of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself
with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is
passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual
or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do
swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to
receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony
hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist
and witness the same further with my name written with the point
of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this
holy sacrament.

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the
point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his
heart.)

Really good primitive stuff that !



--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.

.
User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 01:23:22 AM
One fine day in alt.atheism, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
bloodied us up with this:

Really good primitive stuff that !

Having no Catholic background at all, I thought they were all just dust-
covered bronze idols who worshiped their mothers. Not so, I guess. Holy
*****. Really!
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
.

User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 01:28:15 AM
One fine day in alt.atheism, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
bloodied us up with this:

Really good primitive stuff that !

I mean, really, is that a sledge hammer or what?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
.



User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 11:42:01 PM
duke wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:57:26 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)


Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....


Where did Peter, Paul and Mary (not of music fame) entice people to serve Jesus?

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka


Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.

Since you fail to refer to the horrible cruelty and inhuman behaviour dealt with in
Deutronomy,
I guess you accepot it as part of your 'belief 'then?
Or is this one of the bits in The Bible you struggling people prefer to 'ignore'?



duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 07:33:34 AM
On 13 Jul 2007 23:42:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:57:26 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)
Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

Where did Peter, Paul and Mary (not of music fame) entice people to serve Jesus?

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka

Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.

Since you fail to refer to the horrible cruelty and inhuman behaviour dealt with in
Deutronomy,
I guess you accepot it as part of your 'belief 'then?

Hey, by, I'm a Christian. Deutronomy as part of the OT addresses God
introducing himself to his people. All Christians know that not every word in
either the NT or OT is necessarily literally true. What is true beyond a doubt
is the Word of God regarding the salvation of our souls.
God revealed, and man wrote. And man wrote in the culture and thought patterns
of his life style and times. If there were wars at the time of writing, clearly
the bible would reflect such thought. God never killed anyone.

Or is this one of the bits in The Bible you struggling people prefer to 'ignore'?

I'm not struggling. I know where my bread is buttered.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Father Haskell"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 15 Jul 2007 12:19:33 AM
On Jul 14, 8:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:


God revealed, and man wrote. And man wrote in the culture and thought patterns
of his life style and times. If there were wars at the time of writing, clearly
the bible would reflect such thought. God never killed anyone.

He just tied them up and waited outside.
Oops...
Sorry. Thought you were talking about Charles Manson.
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 16 Jul 2007 04:06:37 PM
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:19:33 -0700, Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Jul 14, 8:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:


God revealed, and man wrote. And man wrote in the culture and thought patterns
of his life style and times. If there were wars at the time of writing, clearly
the bible would reflect such thought. God never killed anyone.


He just tied them up and waited outside.

Oops...

Sorry. Thought you were talking about Charles Manson.

You were. I myself am talking about God.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 14 Jul 2007 10:31:01 PM
duke wrote:

On 13 Jul 2007 23:42:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:57:26 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)


Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....


Where did Peter, Paul and Mary (not of music fame) entice people to serve Jesus?

The Bible Rocks!
Budikka


Yes it does, and you should stop and read it sometimes.


Since you fail to refer to the horrible cruelty and inhuman behaviour dealt with in
Deutronomy,
I guess you accepot it as part of your 'belief 'then?


Hey, by, I'm a Christian. Deutronomy as part of the OT addresses God
introducing himself to his people. All Christians know that not every word in
either the NT or OT is necessarily literally true. What is true beyond a doubt
is the Word of God regarding the salvation of our souls.

God revealed, and man wrote. And man wrote in the culture and thought patterns
of his life style and times. If there were wars at the time of writing, clearly
the bible would reflect such thought. God never killed anyone.

Or is this one of the bits in The Bible you struggling people prefer to 'ignore'?


I'm not struggling. I know where my bread is buttered.

In one breath you will stand up in front [or your pastor will] of other people Bible in
hand claiming it is a tome for everything, yet you struggle to work out which bits are
'for real' and which bits are 'to be ignored'
Yes you struggle - you always will, since the Bible is an old book written by humans
about a period long before they were borne to try to impress others.
Well it don't impress me as the book of a god.



duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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User: "duke"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 16 Jul 2007 04:05:58 PM
On 14 Jul 2007 22:31:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:

Hey, by, I'm a Christian. Deutronomy as part of the OT addresses God
introducing himself to his people. All Christians know that not every word in
either the NT or OT is necessarily literally true. What is true beyond a doubt
is the Word of God regarding the salvation of our souls.
God revealed, and man wrote. And man wrote in the culture and thought patterns
of his life style and times. If there were wars at the time of writing, clearly
the bible would reflect such thought. God never killed anyone.

Or is this one of the bits in The Bible you struggling people prefer to 'ignore'?

I'm not struggling. I know where my bread is buttered.

In one breath you will stand up in front [or your pastor will] of other people Bible in
hand claiming it is a tome for everything, yet you struggle to work out which bits are
'for real' and which bits are 'to be ignored'

Actually I don't struggle. The bible is the word of God written in the hand of
man. The word of God is inerrant with regards man's redemption from sin and the
salvation of his soul. The war stories, math lessons, geography and Cajun
recipes in the bible are not necessarily true.
I don't have a problem differentiating between that which is directed at my soul
and that part just a few war stories.

Yes you struggle - you always will, since the Bible is an old book written by humans
about a period long before they were borne to try to impress others.

Actually, the words of God are without error.

Well it don't impress me as the book of a god.

That's your problem. I'm not that stupid.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 08:01:28 PM
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:57:26 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now!

Oh... wrong room, never mind!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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User: "Mogons"

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 07:22:13 PM
On Jul 13, 1:57 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!

Now for those who didn't inhale...

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)

Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

The Bible Rocks!

Budikka

que Bob Dylan
"Everybody must get stoned"
mogons
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Should Christians Be Stoned? 13 Jul 2007 11:00:20 PM
On Jul 13, 2:57 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

All who came here thinking this is a thread about whether believers
should smoke a joint, leave now! Go try your luck over at
rec.drugs....!

Now for those who didn't inhale...

The Bible makes it expressly clear that: "If thy brother...or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend...entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known...thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And
thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..." (Deu 3:6-10)

Now since Peter, Paul and Mary tried to entice people to serve Jesus
rather than the childless Yahweh of the OT, they, and any others
trying to lure people away from the one true god into Christianity
really ought to be subject to stoning, according to this god's
word....

The Bible Rocks!

Budikka

It isn't exactly clear that "Peter, Paul, and Mary" actually intended
to start a new religion. Jesus himself says otherwise!
Ylem
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