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"Nemo" |
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09 Jun 2007 03:07:30 PM |
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Should Homosexuals Have The Right to Keep and Bear Arms? |
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction between
people of the same gender or to a sexual orientation. When describing a sexual
orientation, it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction toward others
of the same sex, but does not necessarily involve sexual behavior.[1]
Etymologically, the word homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid with homo (often
confused with the later Latin meaning of "man", as in homo sapiens) deriving
from the Greek word for same, thus connotating sexual acts and affections
between members of the same sex, and including lesbianism.[2] [3] Homosexuality
is contrasted with heterosexuality, bisexuality, and pansexuality. While the
term gay often refers to a homosexual man, it sometimes refers to homosexual
people of either gender. Lesbian denotes a homosexual woman.
Homosexuality has been a feature of human culture since earliest history (see
Homosexual relations through history below). In modern times it was not until
the 19th century that such acts and relationships were seen as indicative of a
type of person with a defined and relatively stable sexual orientation.
Karl-Maria Kertbeny coined the term homosexual in 1869 in a pamphlet arguing
against a Prussian anti-sodomy law.[4][5] Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing's
1886 book Psychopathia Sexualis popularized the concept.[5]
In the years since Krafft-Ebing, homosexuality has become a subject of
considerable study and debate. Viewed by some as a pathology to be cured, it is
now more often investigated as part of a larger project to understand the
biology, psychology, politics, genetics, history and cultural variations of
sexual practice and identity. The legal and social status of people who perform
homosexual acts or identify as gay or lesbian varies enormously across the world
and remains hotly contested.
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| User: "Nomen Nescio" |
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| Title: Re: Should Homosexuals Have The Right to Keep and Bear Arms? |
11 Jun 2007 05:31:46 AM |
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"Nemo" wrote:
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction between
people of the same gender or to a sexual orientation. When describing a sexual
orientation, it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction toward others
of the same sex, but does not necessarily involve sexual behavior.[1]
Etymologically, the word homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid with homo (often
confused with the later Latin meaning of "man", as in homo sapiens) deriving
from the Greek word for same, thus connotating sexual acts and affections
between members of the same sex, and including lesbianism.[2] [3] Homosexuality
is contrasted with heterosexuality, bisexuality, and pansexuality. While the
term gay often refers to a homosexual man, it sometimes refers to homosexual
people of either gender. Lesbian denotes a homosexual woman.
Homosexuality has been a feature of human culture since earliest history (see
Homosexual relations through history below). In modern times it was not until
the 19th century that such acts and relationships were seen as indicative of a
type of person with a defined and relatively stable sexual orientation.
Karl-Maria Kertbeny coined the term homosexual in 1869 in a pamphlet arguing
against a Prussian anti-sodomy law.[4][5] Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing's
1886 book Psychopathia Sexualis popularized the concept.[5]
In the years since Krafft-Ebing, homosexuality has become a subject of
considerable study and debate. Viewed by some as a pathology to be cured, it is
now more often investigated as part of a larger project to understand the
biology, psychology, politics, genetics, history and cultural variations of
sexual practice and identity. The legal and social status of people who perform
homosexual acts or identify as gay or lesbian varies enormously across the world
and remains hotly contested.
Being gay or straight should have nothing to do with arms rights.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Should Homosexuals Have The Right to Keep and Bear Arms? |
11 Jun 2007 12:47:01 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2007 03:31:46 -0700, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
"Nemo" wrote:
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction between
people of the same gender or to a sexual orientation. When describing a sexual
orientation, it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction toward others
of the same sex, but does not necessarily involve sexual behavior.[1]
Etymologically, the word homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid with homo (often
confused with the later Latin meaning of "man", as in homo sapiens) deriving
from the Greek word for same, thus connotating sexual acts and affections
between members of the same sex, and including lesbianism.[2] [3] Homosexuality
is contrasted with heterosexuality, bisexuality, and pansexuality. While the
term gay often refers to a homosexual man, it sometimes refers to homosexual
people of either gender. Lesbian denotes a homosexual woman.
Homosexuality has been a feature of human culture since earliest history (see
Homosexual relations through history below). In modern times it was not until
the 19th century that such acts and relationships were seen as indicative of a
type of person with a defined and relatively stable sexual orientation.
Karl-Maria Kertbeny coined the term homosexual in 1869 in a pamphlet arguing
against a Prussian anti-sodomy law.[4][5] Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing's
1886 book Psychopathia Sexualis popularized the concept.[5]
In the years since Krafft-Ebing, homosexuality has become a subject of
considerable study and debate. Viewed by some as a pathology to be cured, it is
now more often investigated as part of a larger project to understand the
biology, psychology, politics, genetics, history and cultural variations of
sexual practice and identity. The legal and social status of people who perform
homosexual acts or identify as gay or lesbian varies enormously across the world
and remains hotly contested.
Being gay or straight should have nothing to do with arms rights.
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill. Mentally ill
persons are not allowed to own or posses firearms of any sort.
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| User: "Christopher Morris" |
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14 Jun 2007 08:22:36 AM |
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<leroyblue@pillinor.net> wrote in message
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On 11 Jun 2007 03:31:46 -0700, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
Being gay or straight should have nothing to do with arms rights.
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill. Mentally ill
persons are not allowed to own or posses firearms of any sort.
Yes recently as in almost 40 years ago that is recent in the sense of the
age of the Earth, but in the history of the profession, it is not that long
ago. Of course I forget the guys that think being homosexual is the same as
being mentally ill also think the Earth is only 6,000 years old.There was a
time when mental illness was thought to be caused by demons as well, but we
no longer hold that view. Most trained mental health professionals do not
hold to the moronic idea that being a homosexual is a mental illness. In
fact, I would suspect that you would find yourself hard-pressed outside of a
few religious wackos that should not be practicing anyways to show any at
all still working on this outdated belief. The science of mental health has
advanced a long ways since it was it was added to the list and even more
since it was rightly removed. Now personally I would like them to add
right-wing fundamentalists to the list of the mentally ill after all with
proper medication and therapy I am sure we could help you to live proper and
healthy lives again.
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| User: "Benj" |
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14 Jun 2007 11:44:52 AM |
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In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill. I"m no
mental heath professional, but to me mental illness is when you are
denying the reality of the world around you. For example, some have
told me in all seriousness, "I don't know what sex I am!" Well, DUH!
Check between your legs and that question can be solved at once. These
people ALSO have much trouble with ordinary things of life and tend to
be quite unstable.
Note how different that is from a more healthy mental gay attitude.
Straight people (and I'm straight, by the way) really have a hard time
understanding gays, but it really isn't all the big a mystery. Just
suppose you, as a straight person who normally is attracted to and
gets feelings for the opposite sex, suddenly feel exactly the same way
but now for members of your OWN sex! Whoa! Confusing? You bet! Mental
illness? Well that depends on how you deal with it, doesn't it? If you
just accept that fact, find out that there are others like you and you
simply gravitate to that society, that hardly seems mentally ill, even
if you enjoy dressing up in women's clothes. Mental illness is when
you start denying reality which is not the same thing as having no
idea why you have the feelings you do.
So can gays be nuts? Sure they can. Does being gay mean you must be
nuts? I don't see how. Nobody knows at this stage why certain people
develop an attraction for their own sex. Same goes for right wing
fundamentalists. A person's philosophy and beliefs are not what
determines mental illness. {No matter what you might have read in
talk.politics. guns] Now if you start killing people "for Jesus" that
is another matter.
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Christopher Morris wrote:
Yes recently as in almost 40 years ago that is recent in the sense of the
age of the Earth, but in the history of the profession, it is not that long
ago. Of course I forget the guys that think being homosexual is the same as
being mentally ill also think the Earth is only 6,000 years old.There was a
time when mental illness was thought to be caused by demons as well, but we
no longer hold that view. Most trained mental health professionals do not
hold to the moronic idea that being a homosexual is a mental illness. In
fact, I would suspect that you would find yourself hard-pressed outside of a
few religious wackos that should not be practicing anyways to show any at
all still working on this outdated belief. The science of mental health has
advanced a long ways since it was it was added to the list and even more
since it was rightly removed. Now personally I would like them to add
right-wing fundamentalists to the list of the mentally ill after all with
proper medication and therapy I am sure we could help you to live proper and
healthy lives again.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Jun 2007 12:02:01 PM |
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"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill.
So are a lot of people. Your point?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Larry Knechtel" |
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14 Jun 2007 12:40:22 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1181839492.589565.95780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill.
So are a lot of people. Your point?
That his best friends are strange?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Jun 2007 02:29:38 PM |
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"Larry Knechtel" <Doors@Bass.gov> wrote in message
news:R4fci.12$Hl2.3@newsfe12.lga...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1181839492.589565.95780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill.
So are a lot of people. Your point?
That his best friends are strange?
He has friends?!?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Larry Knechtel" |
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14 Jun 2007 02:57:42 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Larry Knechtel" <Doors@Bass.gov> wrote in message
news:R4fci.12$Hl2.3@newsfe12.lga...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1181839492.589565.95780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill.
So are a lot of people. Your point?
That his best friends are strange?
He has friends?!?
Strange ones, like I said.
After all, he said that "his experience with them" led him to be an
expert on the matter.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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14 Jun 2007 04:54:34 PM |
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"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1181839492.589565.95780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill. I"m no
mental heath professional, but to me mental illness is when you are
denying the reality of the world around you.
You are correct only in that you are NOT a health care professional.
Of course EVERY law-abiding American who has not demonstrated
psychological problems sufficient to have a court rule them to be
disallowed (due process) has the right to keep and bear arms.
Your prejudices or even some particular person's goofyness have
no bearing on the issue.
Personally, I might include bigots (and racists) among the mentally
ill but that wouldn't matter either until a court agrees.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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14 Jun 2007 03:59:23 PM |
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"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1181839492.589565.95780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill. I"m no
mental heath professional, but to me mental illness is when you are
denying the reality of the world around you. For example, some have
told me in all seriousness, "I don't know what sex I am!" Well, DUH!
Check between your legs and that question can be solved at once. These
people ALSO have much trouble with ordinary things of life and tend to
be quite unstable.
Note how different that is from a more healthy mental gay attitude.
Straight people (and I'm straight, by the way) really have a hard time
understanding gays, but it really isn't all the big a mystery. Just
suppose you, as a straight person who normally is attracted to and
gets feelings for the opposite sex, suddenly feel exactly the same way
but now for members of your OWN sex! Whoa! Confusing? You bet! Mental
illness? Well that depends on how you deal with it, doesn't it? If you
just accept that fact, find out that there are others like you and you
simply gravitate to that society, that hardly seems mentally ill, even
if you enjoy dressing up in women's clothes.
You might want to learn the difference between gender identity, sexual
orientation and transvestism. Here's a hint, they're unrelated.
[snip remainder of ignorant twaddle]
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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14 Jun 2007 03:04:32 PM |
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Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> writes:
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill. I"m no
mental heath professional...
See, individuals like this is why I belong to Pink Pistols.
http://www.pinkpistols.org/index2.html
Elf
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Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.pendorwright.com/
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "Maps / Legends" |
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14 Jun 2007 02:14:44 PM |
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Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in
news:1181839492.589565.95780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill. I"m no
mental heath professional, but to me mental illness is when you are
denying the reality of the world around you.
Congratulations on the first step. According to your definition, you are
admitting you have a mental illness.
The next step is to get help. GO FOR IT!
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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14 Jun 2007 02:31:29 PM |
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On Jun 14, 3:14?pm, "Maps / Legends" <m...@legends.com> wrote:
Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote innews:1181839492.589565.95780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill. I"m no
mental heath professional, but to me mental illness is when you are
denying the reality of the world around you.
Congratulations on the first step. According to your definition, you are
admitting you have a mental illness.
LOL...that's like Charles Manson calling
calling you a murderer.
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| User: "James Beck" |
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14 Jun 2007 12:56:03 PM |
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In article <1181839492.589565.95780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
bjacoby@iwaynet.net says...
In my experience some Gays and Lesbians are mentally ill.
Sure, some Baptists are mentally ill, some redheads, some people with
big feet too. What does that have to do with anything. We are VERY
complex creatures.
Jim
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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11 Jun 2007 05:46:19 PM |
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wrote in
news:qe2r63hroe3b58e2sr4ecktqqjlv4esue8@4ax.com:
On 11 Jun 2007 03:31:46 -0700, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
"Nemo" wrote:
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction
between people of the same gender or to a sexual orientation. When
describing a sexual orientation, it refers to enduring sexual and
romantic attraction toward others of the same sex, but does not
necessarily involve sexual behavior.[1] Etymologically, the word
homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid with homo (often confused with
the later Latin meaning of "man", as in homo sapiens) deriving from
the Greek word for same, thus connotating sexual acts and affections
between members of the same sex, and including lesbianism.[2] [3]
Homosexuality is contrasted with heterosexuality, bisexuality, and
pansexuality. While the term gay often refers to a homosexual man, it
sometimes refers to homosexual people of either gender. Lesbian
denotes a homosexual woman.
Homosexuality has been a feature of human culture since earliest
history (see Homosexual relations through history below). In modern
times it was not until the 19th century that such acts and
relationships were seen as indicative of a type of person with a
defined and relatively stable sexual orientation. Karl-Maria Kertbeny
coined the term homosexual in 1869 in a pamphlet arguing against a
Prussian anti-sodomy law.[4][5] Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing's
1886 book Psychopathia Sexualis popularized the concept.[5]
In the years since Krafft-Ebing, homosexuality has become a subject
of considerable study and debate. Viewed by some as a pathology to be
cured, it is now more often investigated as part of a larger project
to understand the biology, psychology, politics, genetics, history
and cultural variations of sexual practice and identity. The legal
and social status of people who perform homosexual acts or identify
as gay or lesbian varies enormously across the world and remains
hotly contested.
Being gay or straight should have nothing to do with arms rights.
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill. Mentally ill
persons are not allowed to own or posses firearms of any sort.
Do you have any?
RD
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| User: "655321" |
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11 Jun 2007 08:42:00 PM |
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In article <qe2r63hroe3b58e2sr4ecktqqjlv4esue8@4ax.com>,
wrote:
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill.
Most idiots, perhaps.
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655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
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| User: "James Beck" |
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11 Jun 2007 12:59:39 PM |
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In article <qe2r63hroe3b58e2sr4ecktqqjlv4esue8@4ax.com>,
leroyblue@pillinor.net says...
On 11 Jun 2007 03:31:46 -0700, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
"Nemo" wrote:
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction between
people of the same gender or to a sexual orientation. When describing a sexual
orientation, it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction toward others
of the same sex, but does not necessarily involve sexual behavior.[1]
Etymologically, the word homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid with homo (often
confused with the later Latin meaning of "man", as in homo sapiens) deriving
from the Greek word for same, thus connotating sexual acts and affections
between members of the same sex, and including lesbianism.[2] [3] Homosexuality
is contrasted with heterosexuality, bisexuality, and pansexuality. While the
term gay often refers to a homosexual man, it sometimes refers to homosexual
people of either gender. Lesbian denotes a homosexual woman.
Homosexuality has been a feature of human culture since earliest history (see
Homosexual relations through history below). In modern times it was not until
the 19th century that such acts and relationships were seen as indicative of a
type of person with a defined and relatively stable sexual orientation.
Karl-Maria Kertbeny coined the term homosexual in 1869 in a pamphlet arguing
against a Prussian anti-sodomy law.[4][5] Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing's
1886 book Psychopathia Sexualis popularized the concept.[5]
In the years since Krafft-Ebing, homosexuality has become a subject of
considerable study and debate. Viewed by some as a pathology to be cured, it is
now more often investigated as part of a larger project to understand the
biology, psychology, politics, genetics, history and cultural variations of
sexual practice and identity. The legal and social status of people who perform
homosexual acts or identify as gay or lesbian varies enormously across the world
and remains hotly contested.
Being gay or straight should have nothing to do with arms rights.
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill. Mentally ill
persons are not allowed to own or posses firearms of any sort.
So, because the system fixed erroneous information, we should hold on to
the past because it fits some homophobic view people hold?
That's how science works, when new information becomes available, it
becomes integrated into the sum of our knowledge.
I guess we should still consider certain races mentally inferior,
because 150 years ago it was stated as so in scientific texts. I guess
the information only got revised because those racial groups have
infiltrated the system.
Jim
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| User: "" |
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11 Jun 2007 03:04:09 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:59:39 -0400, James Beck
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
In article <qe2r63hroe3b58e2sr4ecktqqjlv4esue8@4ax.com>,
leroyblue@pillinor.net says...
On 11 Jun 2007 03:31:46 -0700, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
"Nemo" wrote:
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction between
people of the same gender or to a sexual orientation. When describing a sexual
orientation, it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction toward others
of the same sex, but does not necessarily involve sexual behavior.[1]
Etymologically, the word homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid with homo (often
confused with the later Latin meaning of "man", as in homo sapiens) deriving
from the Greek word for same, thus connotating sexual acts and affections
between members of the same sex, and including lesbianism.[2] [3] Homosexuality
is contrasted with heterosexuality, bisexuality, and pansexuality. While the
term gay often refers to a homosexual man, it sometimes refers to homosexual
people of either gender. Lesbian denotes a homosexual woman.
Homosexuality has been a feature of human culture since earliest history (see
Homosexual relations through history below). In modern times it was not until
the 19th century that such acts and relationships were seen as indicative of a
type of person with a defined and relatively stable sexual orientation.
Karl-Maria Kertbeny coined the term homosexual in 1869 in a pamphlet arguing
against a Prussian anti-sodomy law.[4][5] Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing's
1886 book Psychopathia Sexualis popularized the concept.[5]
In the years since Krafft-Ebing, homosexuality has become a subject of
considerable study and debate. Viewed by some as a pathology to be cured, it is
now more often investigated as part of a larger project to understand the
biology, psychology, politics, genetics, history and cultural variations of
sexual practice and identity. The legal and social status of people who perform
homosexual acts or identify as gay or lesbian varies enormously across the world
and remains hotly contested.
Being gay or straight should have nothing to do with arms rights.
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill. Mentally ill
persons are not allowed to own or posses firearms of any sort.
So, because the system fixed erroneous information, we should hold on to
the past because it fits some homophobic view people hold?
That's how science works, when new information becomes available, it
becomes integrated into the sum of our knowledge.
I guess we should still consider certain races mentally inferior,
because 150 years ago it was stated as so in scientific texts. I guess
the information only got revised because those racial groups have
infiltrated the system.
Homosexuality and Psychiatry
Homosexuality is VERY ABNORMAL BEHAVIOR!
Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior
Is Normal
In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed
homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders (DSM-II).
This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists, and
they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new
scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal
and should be affirmed in our culture.
This is false and part of numerous homosexual urban legends that have
infiltrated every aspect of our culture. The removal of homosexuality
as a mental disorder has given homosexual activists credibility in the
culture, and they have demanded that their sexual behavior be affirmed
in society.
What Really Happened?
Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what
forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American
Psychiatric Association-and what led to the removal of homosexuality
as a mental disorder.
Dr. Ronald Bayer explains how homosexual activists captured the APA
for political gain.
Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what
actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry:
The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)
In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American
Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by
homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this
organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual
activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers
and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed
homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank
Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate
against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed
the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate.
Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You
may take this as a declaration of war against you."
Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas
in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals
needed to be cured.
Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who
helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality
be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists
were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and
Healthy."
Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who
were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a
mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics,
threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.
Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to
organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual
behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber
and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the
Deletion of Homosexuality from DSM-II.
The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section
"302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.
After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind
closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental
disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15
minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in
Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after
this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA
membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing
list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to
remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that
the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.
According to Satinover, "How much the 1973 APA decision was motivated
by politics is only becoming clear even now. While attending a
conference in England in 1994, I met a man who told me an account that
he had told no one else. He had been in the gay life for years but had
left the lifestyle. He recounted how after the 1973 APA decision, he
and his lover, along with a certain very highly placed officer of the
APA Board of Trustees and his lover, all sat around the officer's
apartment celebrating their victory. For among the gay activists
placed high in the APA who maneuvered to ensure a victory was this
man-suborning from the top what was presented to both the membership
and the public as a disinterested search for truth."
Dr. Socarides Speaks Out
Dr. Satinover shows how APA's policies were influcenced by closeted
homosexual APA leaders.
Dr. Charles Socarides has set the record straight on how homosexuals
inside and outside of the APA forced this organization to remove
homosexuality as a mental disorder. This was done without any valid
scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is not a disordered
behavior.
Dr. Socarides, writing in Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: The
Issue of Homosexuality writes: "To declare a condition a
'non-condition,' a group of practitioners had removed it from our list
of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more
remarkable when one considers that it involved an out-of-hand and
peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric
and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also a number of
other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and
educators over the past seventy years…"
Socarides continued: "For the next 18 years, the APA decision served
as a Trojan horse, opening the gates to widespread psychological and
social change in sexual customs and mores. The decision was to be used
on numerous occasions for numerous purposes with the goal of
normalizing homosexuality and elevating it to an esteemed status.
"To some American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling
reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for, they can be
lost-a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to
science, we are subject to the snares of political factionalism and
the propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public,
to the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral
sciences." Dr. Socarides' report is available from the National
Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality: www.narth.com.
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DSM
The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) is the
most widely used diagnostic reference book utilized by mental health
professionals in the United States.
It's a manual by which all diagnostic codes are derived for diagnosis
and treatment - every single physician (an estimated 850,000*) in the
United States refers to this book in order to code for a diagnosis. In
plain English, what does this mean? It means that for over 30 years
physicians have been prevented from properly diagnosing homosexuality
as an aberrant behavior and thus, cannot, recommend a course of
treatment for these individuals.
Prior to that time, homosexuality had been treated as a mental
disorder under section "302. Sexual Deviations" in the DSM-II. Section
302 said, in part: "This category is for individuals whose sexual
interests are directed primarily toward objects other than people of
the opposite sex, toward sexual acts … performed under bizarre
circumstances. … Even though many find their practices distasteful,
they remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them."
Homosexuality was listed as the first sexual deviation under 302. Once
that diagnostic code for homosexuality was removed, physicians,
including psychiatrists, have been prevented from diagnosing
homosexuality as a mental disorder for more than three decades.
*American Medical Association statistic, 2002.
Jim
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| User: "James Beck" |
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11 Jun 2007 05:12:26 PM |
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In article <skar63p01sm25u6q8nmkhfklmotiitjb6k@4ax.com>,
leroyblue@pillinor.net says...
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill. Mentally ill
persons are not allowed to own or posses firearms of any sort.
So, because the system fixed erroneous information, we should hold on to
the past because it fits some homophobic view people hold?
That's how science works, when new information becomes available, it
becomes integrated into the sum of our knowledge.
I guess we should still consider certain races mentally inferior,
because 150 years ago it was stated as so in scientific texts. I guess
the information only got revised because those racial groups have
infiltrated the system.
Homosexuality and Psychiatry
Homosexuality is VERY ABNORMAL BEHAVIOR!
Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior
Is Normal
And your point is?
Your obsession with homosexuality IS abnormal.
Jim
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11 Jun 2007 08:15:02 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:12:26 -0400, James Beck
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
In article <skar63p01sm25u6q8nmkhfklmotiitjb6k@4ax.com>,
leroyblue@pillinor.net says...
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill. Mentally ill
persons are not allowed to own or posses firearms of any sort.
So, because the system fixed erroneous information, we should hold on to
the past because it fits some homophobic view people hold?
That's how science works, when new information becomes available, it
becomes integrated into the sum of our knowledge.
I guess we should still consider certain races mentally inferior,
because 150 years ago it was stated as so in scientific texts. I guess
the information only got revised because those racial groups have
infiltrated the system.
Homosexuality and Psychiatry
Homosexuality is VERY ABNORMAL BEHAVIOR!
Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior
Is Normal
And your point is?
Your obsession with homosexuality IS abnormal.
Your obsession with homophilia is ABNORMAL.
Jim
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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11 Jun 2007 02:16:03 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:47:01 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Recently? Try 1973. That was 34 years ago. And the rest of your
statement is pure *****.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill. Mentally ill
persons are not allowed to own or posses firearms of any sort.
Cite that most members of the APA consider homosexuality to be ill?
You can post it here along with your citation of the Supreme Court
ruling on DOMA.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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12 Jun 2007 04:55:40 AM |
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in article qe2r63hroe3b58e2sr4ecktqqjlv4esue8@4ax.com,
at wrote on 6/11/07 1:47 PM:
On 11 Jun 2007 03:31:46 -0700, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
"Nemo" wrote:
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction
between
people of the same gender or to a sexual orientation. When describing a
sexual
orientation, it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction toward
others
of the same sex, but does not necessarily involve sexual behavior.[1]
Etymologically, the word homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid with homo
(often
confused with the later Latin meaning of "man", as in homo sapiens) deriving
from the Greek word for same, thus connotating sexual acts and affections
between members of the same sex, and including lesbianism.[2] [3]
Homosexuality
is contrasted with heterosexuality, bisexuality, and pansexuality. While the
term gay often refers to a homosexual man, it sometimes refers to homosexual
people of either gender. Lesbian denotes a homosexual woman.
Homosexuality has been a feature of human culture since earliest history
(see
Homosexual relations through history below). In modern times it was not
until
the 19th century that such acts and relationships were seen as indicative of
a
type of person with a defined and relatively stable sexual orientation.
Karl-Maria Kertbeny coined the term homosexual in 1869 in a pamphlet arguing
against a Prussian anti-sodomy law.[4][5] Richard Freiherr von
Krafft-Ebing's
1886 book Psychopathia Sexualis popularized the concept.[5]
In the years since Krafft-Ebing, homosexuality has become a subject of
considerable study and debate. Viewed by some as a pathology to be cured, it
is
now more often investigated as part of a larger project to understand the
biology, psychology, politics, genetics, history and cultural variations of
sexual practice and identity. The legal and social status of people who
perform
homosexual acts or identify as gay or lesbian varies enormously across the
world
and remains hotly contested.
Being gay or straight should have nothing to do with arms rights.
It's only been recently that homosexuality was removed from the list
of mental diseases. It was only removed then because of homosexual
infiltration of the APA and successful vote rigging on their part.
Most still consider homosexuals to be mentally ill.
Told them by the same religous folks who promise money from God...
Paul
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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10 Jun 2007 05:29:05 AM |
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In article <5d0fk5F325ch4U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Nemo" <nemo1989@gmail.com> wrote:
In the years since Krafft-Ebing, homosexuality has become a subject of
considerable study and debate. Viewed by some as a pathology to be cured, it
is
now more often investigated as part of a larger project to understand the
biology, psychology, politics, genetics, history and cultural variations of
sexual practice and identity. The legal and social status of people who
perform
homosexual acts or identify as gay or lesbian varies enormously across the
world
and remains hotly contested.
Having trouble keeping to your own subject?
Dude, you besmirch the honorable name of "nemo." Begone, foul imposter!
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Steve Rodby" |
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09 Jun 2007 03:23:09 PM |
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Nemo wrote:
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction between
people of the same gender or to a sexual orientation.(snip)
To answer your question, yes, you and your kind should have the right to
keep and bear arms.. unless yer a convicted felon.
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| User: "Spaz" |
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09 Jun 2007 05:21:06 PM |
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"Steve Rodby" <PatMetheny@Bass.gov> wrote in message
news:p%Dai.34$8%5.22@newsfe12.lga...
Nemo wrote:
To answer your question, yes, you and your kind should have the right to
keep and bear arms.. unless yer a convicted felon.
Are you trying to say that convicted felons shouldn't have the right to own
guns??? What about the 2nd amendment??? Doesn't that mean anything to you?
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
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| User: "No One" |
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09 Jun 2007 06:49:58 PM |
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"Spaz" <yea@right.com> writes:
"Steve Rodby" <PatMetheny@Bass.gov> wrote in message
news:p%Dai.34$8%5.22@newsfe12.lga...
Nemo wrote:
To answer your question, yes, you and your kind should have the
right to keep and bear arms.. unless yer a convicted felon.
Are you trying to say that convicted felons shouldn't have the right
to own guns??? What about the 2nd amendment??? Doesn't that mean
anything to you? What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you
understand???
The Second Amendment is:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a
free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,
shall not be infringed.
What part of "a well regulated militia" don't you understand???
It talks about the "right of the people" not the right of each and
every individual. Basically, they didn't want the federal government
to have all the weapons. That doesn't mean they wanted to give
assault weapons to mental cases or felons, whether in jail or not.
In most states, one of the consequences of being a convicted felon
include some restrictions on what you can do *after* you leave
jail and not being allowed to have a weapon is a reasonable one,
especially for someone who used a weapon to commit a crime.
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| User: "Nemo" |
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09 Jun 2007 06:05:10 PM |
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"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
news:8IOdnQeVG-N0uvbbnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Steve Rodby" <PatMetheny@Bass.gov> wrote in message
news:p%Dai.34$8%5.22@newsfe12.lga...
Nemo wrote:
To answer your question, yes, you and your kind should have the right to keep
and bear arms.. unless yer a convicted felon.
Are you trying to say that convicted felons shouldn't have the right to own
guns??? What about the 2nd amendment??? Doesn't that mean anything to you?
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
The right to bear arms is bestowed by God, not by man. Man has no right to
revoke it.
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| User: "Christopher Morris" |
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11 Jun 2007 05:14:58 AM |
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"Nemo" <nemo1989@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5d0q19F313ae6U1@mid.individual.net...
"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
news:8IOdnQeVG-N0uvbbnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Steve Rodby" <PatMetheny@Bass.gov> wrote in message
news:p%Dai.34$8%5.22@newsfe12.lga...
Nemo wrote:
To answer your question, yes, you and your kind should have the right to
keep and bear arms.. unless yer a convicted felon.
Are you trying to say that convicted felons shouldn't have the right to
own guns??? What about the 2nd amendment??? Doesn't that mean anything
to you? What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
The right to bear arms is bestowed by God, not by man. Man has no right
to revoke it.
Please provide a citation of any Holy or even un Holy Text where God or any
God has given man the right to bear arms, now maybe he meant you should have
Bear arms which could come in handy though I suspect the bear would not like
it much.
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| User: "Larry Klein" |
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09 Jun 2007 06:23:45 PM |
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Nemo wrote:
"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
news:8IOdnQeVG-N0uvbbnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Steve Rodby" <PatMetheny@Bass.gov> wrote in message
news:p%Dai.34$8%5.22@newsfe12.lga...
Nemo wrote:
To answer your question, yes, you and your kind should have the right to keep
and bear arms.. unless yer a convicted felon.
Are you trying to say that convicted felons shouldn't have the right to own
guns??? What about the 2nd amendment??? Doesn't that mean anything to you?
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
The right to bear arms is bestowed by God, not by man. Man has no right to
revoke it.
Oh for *****'s sake!
There is NO such thing as "gods".
Therefore, "gods" can't grant/"bestow" rights to the mankind that
invented her/him, you mental midget.
MANKIND is of a Natural origin, just like the apes, plants, bugs,
fish, and other critters to numerous to mention.
Only MANKIND makes laws to govern ourselves.
Only Democrats and Liberals want to ruin it all.
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| User: "Benj" |
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10 Jun 2007 01:21:54 AM |
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Larry Klein wrote:
Nemo wrote:
The right to bear arms is bestowed by God, not by man. Man has no right to
revoke it.
Oh for *****'s sake!
There is NO such thing as "gods".
Hey there Larry, I take it you are ready to throw out the First
Amendment as well as the rest because YOUR religion differs from
Nemo's. Did you ever hear of an idea known as "freedom of religion"?
Therefore, "gods" can't grant/"bestow" rights to the mankind that
invented her/him, you mental midget.
Excuse me there, Oh Mental Master, you are aware that the language
used in say the Declaration of Independence is that Rights are
bestowed by the "Creator"! The word "God" or "Gods" is NOT employed.
But just WHO determines what the "Creator" is? Why EACH PERSON DOES
THAT THEMSELVES!
MANKIND is of a Natural origin, just like the apes, plants, bugs,
fish, and other critters to numerous to mention.
Glad your religion gives you comfort. So your idea is that "nature" is
the "Creator" and the "laws" of "natural selection" are bestowed by
your "creator". OK, that works. Do not animals in natural settings
come with various means of self-defense? Claws. Teeth, camouflage,
speed, intelligence, etc. ? Does not man also have this natural right
of self-defense which has through man's superior intelligence has been
extended beyond those weapons with which the body was born? In this
sense the "right to life" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence
is nothing more than a re-statement of the law of nature of animal
self-defense which comes bestowed though the Laws of Nature.
Only MANKIND makes laws to govern ourselves.
Um, you sure about that? How about you jump out a window to defy the
"Law of Nature" known as gravity? I guess you never heard of "laws of
nature".
Of course, Nemo may have a different interpretation, but hey, that's
freedom of religion!
Only Democrats and Liberals want to ruin it all.
Maybe not "Only" but yeah, that's a good start.
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