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09 Apr 2004 01:54:19 PM |
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Should terrorists have flown a plane into the UN instead? |
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
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| User: "tim gueguen" |
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09 Apr 2004 02:22:04 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Because the UN isn't the "Great Satan" or whatever it is Al Qaeda calls
their enemies, the US is.
A better question is why you felt compelled to crosspost this thread across
half the planet?
tim gueguen 101867
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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09 Apr 2004 02:26:06 PM |
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"tim gueguen" <tgueguen@shaw.ca> wrote in
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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The United Nations building in New York City is located on the
waterfront, so it would have made an easy target and would have been
interpreted as an attack against the entire world instead of just
against the United States. If radical Islamists want to dominate the
world with their particular strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb
the UN?
Because the UN isn't the "Great Satan" or whatever it is Al Qaeda calls
their enemies, the US is.
Al Qaeda hates the UN just as much as the United States.
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| User: "Claytie the Umpire Slayer" |
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09 Apr 2004 07:00:53 PM |
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"tim gueguen" <tgueguen@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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The United Nations building in New York City is located on the
waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as
an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United
States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Because the UN isn't the "Great Satan" or whatever it is Al Qaeda calls
their enemies, the US is.
A better question is why you felt compelled to crosspost this thread
across
half the planet?
He gets off on people seeing his hatred...and he cums faster and stronger
the more people who see his stupidity.
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| User: "The Dude" |
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09 Apr 2004 02:02:40 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Why would you call for more terrorist attacks. Are you a muslim?
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| User: "G. Waleed Kavalec" |
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09 Apr 2004 03:33:00 PM |
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"The Dude" <TheDude@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the
waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as
an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United
States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Why would you call for more terrorist attacks. Are you a muslim?
He's not, but I am, and I can give a partial answer.
First get it understood that killing civilians is NOT condoned in Islam.
Unfortunately we have just as large a percentage of hypocrites hiding under
the label of "Muslim" as in any western institution. And often the person
most blind to hypocrisy is the hypocrite himself/herself.
This subject is so important that the Qur'an has an entire chapter labeled
"the hypocrites" (Surah 63:Al-Munafiqun).
Second, the motivation for 9/11 (if really instigated by al-Qaeda) was not
'dominate the world' but simple pay-back and wake-up.
The US has a long history of funding the other side in battle that involve
Muslims. And when it has financed the Muslim side, it has a reputation of
being totally untrustworthy.
Some believing Christians, Jews, and Muslims were in the WTC and died there.
It would have been obvious in any research that this was going to be true.
This (knowingly killing a believer) in our faith, means that the flames may
have been put out in New York but they won't be put out where those
hijackers are for a long long time.
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| User: "The Dude" |
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09 Apr 2004 05:34:20 PM |
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"G. Waleed Kavalec" <G.Waleed@kavalec.com> wrote in message
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"The Dude" <TheDude@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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The United Nations building in New York City is located on the
waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted
as
an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United
States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Why would you call for more terrorist attacks. Are you a muslim?
He's not, but I am, and I can give a partial answer.
First get it understood that killing civilians is NOT condoned in Islam.
Unfortunately we have just as large a percentage of hypocrites hiding
under
the label of "Muslim" as in any western institution. And often the person
most blind to hypocrisy is the hypocrite himself/herself.
This subject is so important that the Qur'an has an entire chapter labeled
"the hypocrites" (Surah 63:Al-Munafiqun).
Second, the motivation for 9/11 (if really instigated by al-Qaeda)
Sorry, I quit reading after the last remark. You had me interested at first.
Yes it was Al-Qaeda. I suppose you're one of the psycho's who believe the
Jews had something to do with it. If Islam is not a relgion of hate, then
why do all hate the US. Ship them all out of the country, close the borders
and let them deal with Bin Laden.
was not
'dominate the world' but simple pay-back and wake-up.
The US has a long history of funding the other side in battle that involve
Muslims. And when it has financed the Muslim side, it has a reputation of
being totally untrustworthy.
Some believing Christians, Jews, and Muslims were in the WTC and died
there.
It would have been obvious in any research that this was going to be true.
This (knowingly killing a believer) in our faith, means that the flames
may
have been put out in New York but they won't be put out where those
hijackers are for a long long time.
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| User: "alfred montestruc" |
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10 Apr 2004 02:41:54 AM |
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"G. Waleed Kavalec" <G.Waleed@kavalec.com> wrote in message news:<5MWdnY83tfHvlerdRVn-jA@intertex.net>...
"The Dude" <TheDude@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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The United Nations building in New York City is located on the
waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as
an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United
States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Why would you call for more terrorist attacks. Are you a muslim?
He's not, but I am, and I can give a partial answer.
First get it understood that killing civilians is NOT condoned in Islam.
Unfortunately we have just as large a percentage of hypocrites hiding under
the label of "Muslim" as in any western institution. And often the person
most blind to hypocrisy is the hypocrite himself/herself.
This subject is so important that the Qur'an has an entire chapter labeled
"the hypocrites" (Surah 63:Al-Munafiqun).
Second, the motivation for 9/11 (if really instigated by al-Qaeda) was not
'dominate the world' but simple pay-back and wake-up.
The US has a long history of funding the other side in battle that involve
Muslims.
Aside from the Arab-Isreal conflict are their any the US has funded
the non-muslim side where non-muslims were fighting muslims? I
honestly do not know of a single one.
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land. Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
As the Isrealis have had nuclear weapons since the 1970s or perhaps
before, thinking they can be made to leave is just plain crazy. The
most an Arab power could do is fight a nuclear war with them, and in
that case you will drag the USA and the Russians and the Chinese,
Brtish and French into it, and the big nuclear powers will not be
happy with you over this foolishness.
As a large number of jews settled in the USA mostly long before the
'48 war, Isreal has a built in supporter in Washington. The prudent
thing is to get over it, stop crying over milk spilled 55 odd years
ago and make room for the palestinians in the other arab nations,
since all were carved out of the Ottoman empire anyway.
And when it has financed the Muslim side, it has a reputation of
being totally untrustworthy.
More like self-interested. We fund when we think their is something
for us to gain ( or not to lose) by funding. We withdraw funding when
it stops being in our interest to pay.
Some believing Christians, Jews, and Muslims were in the WTC and died there.
It would have been obvious in any research that this was going to be true.
This (knowingly killing a believer) in our faith, means that the flames may
have been put out in New York but they won't be put out where those
hijackers are for a long long time.
Murder is murder regardless of what the victim's religion is. If your
"faith" allows you to murder people for not agreeing with you, then it
is an evil faith.
If you really think that way, it would be best to keep it to yourself
and expect us to land on you like a ton of bricks dropped from a 100
meter cliff if you act like you are going on Jihad, and that would be
self-defence, not hate of you or islam.
Please to recall that we do have enough nukes to kill everyone on
earth several times over. So far we have been trying very hard not to
kill innocent bystanders even those who are muslim. Pushing the USA
much harder might make us a whole lot less careful, and less concerned
with who gets hurt.
Wake up call?? was the fall of Bagdad a good wake-up call for you as
to who can kick who's ***** how hard? How about the destruction of the
Taliban government? How about those photos of Saddam and his sons?
You awake yet or are you still dreaming?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Apr 2004 01:35:33 PM |
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alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make everybody
leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
Sound like a good plan to you?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "alfred montestruc" |
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10 Apr 2004 05:35:18 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
The legitimacy of the various sides is a matter for debate, both sides
have some legitimate and illegitiamate points, however the realistic
proabability of Arabs taking back the land in the forseeable furture
is not. Further war to take back the land is pointless bloodshed.
Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make everybody
leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
I have a better idea, let the Palestinians have the north slope of
Alaska on the shore of the Arctic Ocean if they will not come to a
peaceful solution. Make sure they have to stay.
Sound like a good plan to you?
No New Mexico is occupied and the people of Isreal will not give the
land of Isreal up.
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10 Apr 2004 05:55:03 PM |
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alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Mass suicide to keep the Israelis from having to kill them?
Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make everybody
leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
I have a better idea, let the Palestinians have the north slope of
Alaska on the shore of the Arctic Ocean if they will not come to a
peaceful solution.
So you're a genocidal bigot. What a surprise.
Make sure they have to stay.
Just like the Jews never left the Nazi concentration camps.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "The Dude" |
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10 Apr 2004 07:26:07 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Mass suicide to keep the Israelis from having to kill them?
Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make everybody
leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
I have a better idea, let the Palestinians have the north slope of
Alaska on the shore of the Arctic Ocean if they will not come to a
peaceful solution.
So you're a genocidal bigot. What a surprise.
Make sure they have to stay.
Just like the Jews never left the Nazi concentration camps.
I believe there should be a palestinian homeland. But there tactics which is
supported by there so called leader Arafat shows they deserve nothing until
they stop killing civilians. Bombing shopping malls, buses etc...is
unacceptable.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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10 Apr 2004 11:31:59 PM |
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The Dude <TheDude@verizon.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make everybody
leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
I have a better idea, let the Palestinians have the north slope of
Alaska on the shore of the Arctic Ocean if they will not come to a
peaceful solution.
So you're a genocidal bigot. What a surprise.
Make sure they have to stay.
Just like the Jews never left the Nazi concentration camps.
I believe there should be a palestinian homeland. But there tactics which is
supported by there so called leader Arafat shows they deserve nothing until
they stop killing civilians.
What "actions"? Defending themselves from murderous Israelis?
Bombing shopping malls, buses etc...is
unacceptable.
Except, apparently, when it's done my the Israeli air force.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Apr 2004 08:24:02 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59u07$cme$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Mass suicide to keep the Israelis from having to kill them?
*sigh*
While both sides have a fair bit of blood on thier hands, the PLO and
various terrorist orgs. who claime to represent the 'Palestinians' are
far more guilty. The level of internal intimadation, in addition to
the viciousness of thier attacks (the Israeli government deserves
censure for thier carelessness about civilian casualties when
attacking terrorists, HAMAS and the like are making attacks for the
sole purpose of causing civilian casuaties) has robbed the Palestinian
so-called leadership of all moral standing.
That being said, the most desireable result is for the Arabs of the
West Bank and Gaza to be offered full Israeli Citizenship with all the
rights and duties therof. If that is intolerable they would be well
advised to emigrate, but most seem to desire life as free citizens
above all else.
HTG
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11 Apr 2004 12:20:20 PM |
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H. Torrance Griffin <htgriffin@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59u07$cme$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Mass suicide to keep the Israelis from having to kill them?
*sigh*
While both sides have a fair bit of blood on thier hands, the PLO and
various terrorist orgs. who claime to represent the 'Palestinians' are
far more guilty.
The fact remains that Israel is occupying Palestine, taking land from
Palestinians, expanding settlements, and killing Palestinians. In the
past few years Israel has killed four Palestinians (out of 1/3rd the
population) for each Israeli killed.
The level of internal intimadation, in addition to
the viciousness of thier attacks (the Israeli government deserves
censure for thier carelessness about civilian casualties when
They deserve more than just "censure".
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Apr 2004 01:58:10 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59u07$cme$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up. Recall the histroical facts that:
1. All of the people in that area were ruled by the Ottoman Empire
from circa 1200 AD until just after WWI.
2. The British and French were running that area till after WWII, and
people in that area were pretty free to cross borders.
3. Many of the people in that area since ancient times have been
jewish, the Zionists jews were not the only jews in the area, and not
the only land owning jews.
4. During and after the 1948 war refugees crossed the border going
both ways, jews going into Isreal, Moslem Arabs leaving Isreal. The
fact of the matter is that the number of jewish refugees coming into
Isreal from the surrounding Arab nations is almost as many as the
Arabs leaving Isreal. They lost what land they had too, and were
given Isreali citizenship. The moslem arabs that left Isreal were not
given citizenship in any of the surrounding arab nations, even though
they were of the same culture and the difference was where they lived
when the British drew lines on the map and declared land "X" to be
country "Y".
When you understand that, you should realize that the arab whining is
pretty hypocritical in that they took land and other property from
jews living outside Isreal and forced them to flee for their lives to
Isreal. Moslem Arabs that left Isreal were for the most part not
forced to, but did so to avoid being in the crossfire of the war in
'48.
Mass suicide to keep the Israelis from having to kill them?
Many Moslem arabs are Isreali citizens. The Isrealis did not make a
practice of killing moslems for being moslems, unlike the moslem arabs
did to jews.
Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make everybody
leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
I have a better idea, let the Palestinians have the north slope of
Alaska on the shore of the Arctic Ocean if they will not come to a
peaceful solution.
So you're a genocidal bigot.
How so? It is land offered free of charge. It may be hard to live
on, but not as hard I wager as fighting a 50 + year long war. Also
they have the option of making peace.
What a surprise.
Make sure they have to stay.
Just like the Jews never left the Nazi concentration camps.
But those that lived did.
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alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59u07$cme$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up.
Non sequitur. Israel is occupying Palestine, taking the Palestinian's
lands, and killing their people.
Recall the histroical facts that:
Irrelevant. That's no justification for religious persecution.
Mass suicide to keep the Israelis from having to kill them?
Many Moslem arabs are Isreali citizens.
Non sequitur.
Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make everybody
leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
I have a better idea, let the Palestinians have the north slope of
Alaska on the shore of the Arctic Ocean if they will not come to a
peaceful solution.
So you're a genocidal bigot.
How so? It is land offered free of charge.
And the fact that people would starve there is of no concern to you.
Because you're a genocidal bigit.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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11 Apr 2004 01:49:44 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c5buj5$5d5$1@bolt.sonic.net:
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c59u07$cme$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs
lost that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would
adapt to the political facts of existence instead of beating your
heads against walls, then the problem would be over with. The
Isrealis are not going to commit suicide and will not sit by while
you murder them all, nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up.
Non sequitur. Israel is occupying Palestine, taking the Palestinian's
lands, and killing their people.
Jews lived in Israel long before the Palestinians.
Arabs have lots of land in that area so I don't see the issue
other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make
everybody leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
I have a better idea, let the Palestinians have the north slope of
Alaska on the shore of the Arctic Ocean if they will not come to a
peaceful solution.
So you're a genocidal bigot.
How so? It is land offered free of charge.
And the fact that people would starve there is of no concern to you.
Because you're a genocidal bigit.
"The [Jewish] party is the party of liars and traitors, homosexuals
and sodomites, child-molesters and stalkers, kidnappers and rapists,
sadomasochists and murderers, extortionists and racketeers, gangsters
and crack-dealers, heroin addicts and pornography peddlers, basically
everything that's wrong with society: that's exactly what you [Jew]
advocate and actively participate in."
-- Ray Fischer news:c5btvq$4mr$1@bolt.sonic.net
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| User: "alfred montestruc" |
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11 Apr 2004 11:12:25 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5buj5$5d5$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59u07$cme$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up.
Non sequitur. Israel is occupying Palestine, taking the Palestinian's
lands, and killing their people.
Recall the histroical facts that:
Irrelevant. That's no justification for religious persecution.
You mean the moslem persicution of jews?
Mass suicide to keep the Israelis from having to kill them?
Many Moslem arabs are Isreali citizens.
Non sequitur.
Sorry that does follow.
Arabs have lots of land in that
area so I don't see the issue other than an ego problem.
The US has lots of land. Let's move Israel to the US. Make everybody
leave New Mexico and give it to the Israelis.
I have a better idea, let the Palestinians have the north slope of
Alaska on the shore of the Arctic Ocean if they will not come to a
peaceful solution.
So you're a genocidal bigot.
How so? It is land offered free of charge.
And the fact that people would starve there is of no concern to you.
That depends on how hard they work to develop the real estate. Note
that the land in question does have oil and other mineral resources.
Variuos Native American groups were able to live on that land. If they
choose to starve that is not my problem.
Because you're a genocidal bigit.
no, but you spelled bigot wrong.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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16 Apr 2004 01:17:11 PM |
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alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5buj5$5d5$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59u07$cme$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up.
Non sequitur. Israel is occupying Palestine, taking the Palestinian's
lands, and killing their people.
Recall the histroical facts that:
Irrelevant. That's no justification for religious persecution.
You mean the moslem persicution of jews?
Isn't happening. Israel is persecuting and killing Palestinians.
And that you think that ethnic cleansing is made alright by whining
"they did it first" shows your racism.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "alfred montestruc" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:14:00 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5p7v6$9tm$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5buj5$5d5$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59u07$cme$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c59epk$p3c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
As to the Isreali-Arab BS. As far as I am concerned the Arabs lost
that one in 1948 and are being sore losers. If you would adapt to the
political facts of existence instead of beating your heads against
walls, then the problem would be over with. The Isrealis are not
going to commit suicide and will not sit by while you murder them all,
nor will they give back the land.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
They had their bite to fight back and lost, then tried again and lost
and again and lost, and so on. Sane people figure out after a while
that they cannot win a fight and let it go.
So Arabs are just supposed to let Israel kill them and take their
homes and lands?
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up.
Non sequitur. Israel is occupying Palestine, taking the Palestinian's
lands, and killing their people.
Recall the histroical facts that:
Irrelevant. That's no justification for religious persecution.
You mean the moslem persicution of jews?
Isn't happening.
So you think Saddam and other Arab leaders did not persecute jews in
their nations? Funny
Israel is persecuting and killing Palestinians.
Pot-kettle-black
Isreal is better at fighting than the Palestinians, and beats them
bloody every time they pull some *****. So?
And that you think that ethnic cleansing is made alright by whining
"they did it first" shows your racism.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:36:07 PM |
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alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5p7v6$9tm$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5buj5$5d5$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up.
Non sequitur. Israel is occupying Palestine, taking the Palestinian's
lands, and killing their people.
Recall the histroical facts that:
Irrelevant. That's no justification for religious persecution.
You mean the moslem persicution of jews?
Isn't happening.
So you think Saddam and other Arab leaders did not persecute jews in
their nations? Funny
Israel has the biggest army in region and one of the bigets in the
world. They aren't being persecuted by anybody.
Israel is persecuting and killing Palestinians.
Pot-kettle-black
Chickenshit evasion.
Isreal is better at fighting than the Palestinians,
Especially since they have the F16s and attack helicopters and tanks
that the US has given them.
And that you think that ethnic cleansing is made alright by whining
"they did it first" shows your racism.
Again and again we see that religious discrimination and ethnic
cleansing and human rights violations are bad EXCEPT when done by
Israel.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "alfred montestruc" |
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17 Apr 2004 06:57:26 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5rpu6$poh$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5p7v6$9tm$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5buj5$5d5$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up.
Non sequitur. Israel is occupying Palestine, taking the Palestinian's
lands, and killing their people.
Recall the histroical facts that:
Irrelevant. That's no justification for religious persecution.
You mean the moslem persicution of jews?
Isn't happening.
So you think Saddam and other Arab leaders did not persecute jews in
their nations? Funny
Israel has the biggest army in region and one of the bigets in the
world. They aren't being persecuted by anybody.
Dude, I was speaking of jews living in the arab nations that were not
isreali citizens.
Israel is persecuting and killing Palestinians.
Pot-kettle-black
Chickenshit evasion.
Isreal is better at fighting than the Palestinians,
Especially since they have the F16s and attack helicopters and tanks
that the US has given them.
Yes but that does not explain the 1948 victory when the Arabs had more
material and weapons and men. Or many in the '50s, or the six day war
or the '73 war. In each case the Arabs had more men and tanks and
guns and aircraft.
The real explanation has much to do with how Hitler purged the German
army of jews first thing when he took power and many of them went
Zionist. Also many of the founders of the Isreali Army were
professional soldiers in Europien armies before coming to Isreal.
On the other hand Arab officers are mostly political hacks appointed
by loyalty to the local dictator.
Professional soldiers will make short work of political troops given
anything approaching equal odds.
And that you think that ethnic cleansing is made alright by whining
"they did it first" shows your racism.
Again and again we see that religious discrimination and ethnic
cleansing and human rights violations are bad EXCEPT when done by
Israel.
More like the other way around fella.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Apr 2004 07:48:25 PM |
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alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5rpu6$poh$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5p7v6$9tm$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c5buj5$5d5$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
alfred montestruc <amontestruc01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Take a flipping look at the map, and see how much land is in that
area, and how much Isreal takes up.
Non sequitur. Israel is occupying Palestine, taking the Palestinian's
lands, and killing their people.
Recall the histroical facts that:
Irrelevant. That's no justification for religious persecution.
You mean the moslem persicution of jews?
Isn't happening.
So you think Saddam and other Arab leaders did not persecute jews in
their nations? Funny
Israel has the biggest army in region and one of the bigets in the
world. They aren't being persecuted by anybody.
Dude, I was speaking of jews living in the arab nations that were not
isreali citizens.
Because you're trying to change the subject.
Israel is persecuting and killing Palestinians.
Pot-kettle-black
Chickenshit evasion.
Isreal is better at fighting than the Palestinians,
Especially since they have the F16s and attack helicopters and tanks
that the US has given them.
Yes but that does not explain the 1948 victory when the Arabs had more
material and weapons and men. Or many in the '50s, or the six day war
or the '73 war.
You _are_ stupid.
And that you think that ethnic cleansing is made alright by whining
"they did it first" shows your racism.
Again and again we see that religious discrimination and ethnic
cleansing and human rights violations are bad EXCEPT when done by
Israel.
More like the other way around fella.
No, bigot. Not the other way around. Israel has killed thousands of
Palestinians. Has driven out hundreds of thousands of non-Jews.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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09 Apr 2004 08:06:49 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:33:00 -0500, a stranger
called by some "G. Waleed Kavalec" <G.Waleed@kavalec.com> came forth
and told this tale in alt.atheism
The US has a long history of funding the other side in battle that involve
Muslims. And when it has financed the Muslim side, it has a reputation of
being totally untrustworthy.
for example, the years and billio0n spent supporting the Muhjadeen in
Afghanistan, supporting Iran when it was still a monarchy, Iraq
against Iran, military assitance to Saudi Arabia in 1990 (US Marines
on the "holy sand" because the RSA couldn't fight a determined Boy
Scout troop.)
We've sold arms and have mutal defense treaties with Islamic nations
around the globe.
Because Xomicron is a cross-posting idiot, rec.games.video.classic,
talk.politics.misc, alt.abortion, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, and
alt.games.grand-theft-auto have been snipped.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Adamanteus" |
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18 Apr 2004 02:06:22 PM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1>...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Destroying the UN building is going to make Al Qaida's cause all the
worse, because now instead of just the US being royally *****,
you'll have the entire world!
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| User: "Jon Young" |
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09 Apr 2004 06:00:23 PM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1>...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
If the dog-***** is using a plane bomb,what difference does it make if
the UN is on the water front?
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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09 Apr 2004 10:01:42 PM |
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Jon Young wrote:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1>...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
If the dog-***** is using a plane bomb,what difference does it make if
the UN is on the water front?
One has a clearer approach, as there are no buildings on that side.
Imagine what would have happened if the 9/11 attackers had hit
the first floors of the WTC. Not only would more people in the
building have been killed, but the collateral damage might have
been greater as well
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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17 Apr 2004 01:56:58 AM |
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Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<40776736.4020800@sc.rr.com>...
Jon Young wrote:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1>...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
If the dog-***** is using a plane bomb,what difference does it make if
the UN is on the water front?
One has a clearer approach, as there are no buildings on that side.
Imagine what would have happened if the 9/11 attackers had hit
the first floors of the WTC. Not only would more people in the
building have been killed, but the collateral damage might have
been greater as well
Colin Day aa #1500
Those cowardly little bastards ruined the lives of so many people. For
that kind of crime, I hope that they got 70 guys busting their
backsides right now ... for eternity.
Kenny L.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:36:57 PM |
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Kenny Leong <kenny_tm_leong@yahoo.com> wrote:
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<40776736.4020800@sc.rr.com>...
Jon Young wrote:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1>...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
If the dog-***** is using a plane bomb,what difference does it make if
the UN is on the water front?
One has a clearer approach, as there are no buildings on that side.
Imagine what would have happened if the 9/11 attackers had hit
the first floors of the WTC. Not only would more people in the
building have been killed, but the collateral damage might have
been greater as well
Those cowardly little bastards ruined the lives of so many people. For
that kind of crime, I hope that they got 70 guys busting their
backsides right now ... for eternity.
And in response Bush killed over 20,000 Iraqis.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "z" |
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09 Apr 2004 07:45:14 PM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1>...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Ms. Coulter?
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11 Apr 2004 05:27:01 AM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1>...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
New York may be a modern-day Babylon - but it doesn't deserve the
wrath of God
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,606641,00.html
Ian Buruma
Tuesday November 27, 2001
The Guardian
Robert Crumb, the creator of Mr Natural, Fritz the Cat, and other
great American comic heroes, now lives in rural France. He, too, has
his views on the destruction of the World Trade Centre. In an
interview with a Dutch paper, Crumb began conventionally enough by
calling the twin towers symbols of capitalism and all those who suck
America dry and fool the rest of the world. Then he expressed his hope
that the buildings around them would soon collapse into Ground Zero
too. The right thing to do, said Crumb, was to build a farm there,
with some grassland for cows and chickens.
Ian Buruma
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0403170307.599161f%40posting.google.com
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18 Apr 2004 07:18:37 AM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94C6979ED2786xomicron@0.0.0.1>...
The United Nations building in New York City is located on the waterfront,
so it would have made an easy target and would have been interpreted as an
attack against the entire world instead of just against the United States.
If radical Islamists want to dominate the world with their particular
strain of Islam, then why not plane-bomb the UN?
Should they have? I don't think so. The USA was the target and taking
out the UN would simply place even more of the world against them.
They might have done better with the Statue of Liberty. Fewer deaths
and an even more striking image on TV.
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