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"Bear" |
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09 May 2005 12:40:00 AM |
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Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is
worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to
fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a
miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so
by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stuart Mill
War IS an ugly thing, but as long as nations and leaders exist that detest
freedom, sometimes it is the only way to secure a lasting peace. Most
leftist anti-war protesters and pundits don't understand this. They state
that this use of force is always unnecessary -- that war, ANY war, is never
good. Some of them, born into the luxury of American freedom, believe that
liberty can exist passively, that somehow the world's natural state will
always settle into utopian harmony. Others, in an attempt to absolve
themselves from the unearned guilt they harbor living in a nation of
prosperity and wealth, try to buy morality on the cheap by pronouncing
themselves for the 'good'. To them, the derivation of the 'good' is based on
a simple, yet peculiar standard: the powerful and competent are wicked,
while the feeble and impotent are innocent - regardless of the context. That
is why they defend Iraq instead of America, and the Palestinian "resistance"
instead of Israel.
These leftists usually carry the loudest megaphones. And left unchallenged,
their voices are heard disproportionately, demoralizing our troops, and
emboldening dictators around the world - dictators who dream of the day the
"Great Satan" disappears from the face of the earth.
However, their self-righteous messages go silent quickly when the truth of
history and reality is thrown back in their face. It's time to turn up the
juice on OUR megaphones, as we will never keep our supreme values of liberty
and justice without the will to fight for them.
(http://www.freethoughtdebater.com/index.jsp)
--
Bear
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
09 May 2005 08:12:38 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in
news:poqdnR9nLYAtauPfRVn-pw@comcast.com:
Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an important,
a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few. Honor them by
giving them the medical help they need should they be injured, rather
thanby cutting funding to the VA.
Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Gods always behave like the people who created them"
-- Zora Neale Hurston
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| User: "Bear" |
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09 May 2005 08:25:38 AM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
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: Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an important,
: a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few. Honor them by
: giving them the medical help they need should they be injured, rather
: thanby cutting funding to the VA.
:
: Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should still
honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
--
Bear
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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09 May 2005 08:39:18 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in
news:7bOdna2Od-RO-eLfRVn-1Q@comcast.com:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
:
: Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few.
: Honor them by giving them the medical help they need should they be
: injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
:
: Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should
still honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
Indeed. But we should not trust the leaders that put them there. We
will not win in Iraq. We cannot make the different sects like each
other, and we cannot make them like us. Every time we supress an
insurection in one part of the country, there will be another somewhere
else. The blood will continue to flow on all sides, and the hatred will
grow. How many good men and women do we send to die for in a mistaken
policy, a mistaken war? Is sending more a honoring them?
Bush and his cronies have set us up in a situation where we cannot win,
cannot exit with honor, cannot exit at all without starting a civil war
that would end with a strong-man like Sadam or a theocracy like Iran.
Stating opinions like mine is dishonoring the troops? I think not. My
father, a Vietnam vet and retired Navy Corpsman (the "medics" for the
Marines) hates Bush for bringing another generation into a war like the
one he fought in. He dishonors the troops?
Trying to change policy is not dishonoring the troops.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Thank God, under our Constitution there was no connection between Church
and State, and that in my action as President of the United States I
recognized no distinction of creeds in my appointments to office.
-- James K. Polk
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
09 May 2005 02:19:05 PM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote in
: > "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >:
: >: Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: >: important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few.
: >: Honor them by giving them the medical help they need should they be
: >: injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >:
: >: Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >
: > The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should
: > still honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
: >
:
: Indeed. But we should not trust the leaders that put them there.
That is irrelevant to the consideration of supporting the troops.
: We will not win in Iraq.
I think we already did.
: We cannot make the different sects like each
: other, and we cannot make them like us. Every time we supress an
: insurection in one part of the country, there will be another somewhere
: else. The blood will continue to flow on all sides, and the hatred will
: grow. How many good men and women do we send to die for in a mistaken
: policy, a mistaken war? Is sending more a honoring them?
The two governments are working on getting us out of there.
: Bush and his cronies have set us up in a situation where we cannot win,
: cannot exit with honor, cannot exit at all without starting a civil war
: that would end with a strong-man like Sadam or a theocracy like Iran.
Like Johnson did in Vietnam? Why does it have to come down to personalities
or party affiliations? None of the politicians know what the hell they are
doing.
: Stating opinions like mine is dishonoring the troops? I think not. My
: father, a Vietnam vet and retired Navy Corpsman (the "medics" for the
: Marines) hates Bush for bringing another generation into a war like the
: one he fought in. He dishonors the troops?
I didn't say that anybody is dishonoring the troops, but I will ask, what
you are "doing" to support the troops?
: Trying to change policy is not dishonoring the troops.
Your equivocating honor and support doesn't work. And just exactly how are
you "personally" trying to change policy? Are you a senator or a
congressman? Again, what are you "doing" to support the troops while they
are where they are for whatever reason?
--
Bear
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
09 May 2005 09:48:51 AM |
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Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns965143B38133255229@130.133.1.4:
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in
news:7bOdna2Od-RO-eLfRVn-1Q@comcast.com:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
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: Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few.
: Honor them by giving them the medical help they need should they be
: injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
:
: Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should
still honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
Indeed. But we should not trust the leaders that put them there. We
will not win in Iraq. We cannot make the different sects like each
other, and we cannot make them like us. Every time we supress an
insurection in one part of the country, there will be another
somewhere else. The blood will continue to flow on all sides, and the
hatred will grow. How many good men and women do we send to die for
in a mistaken policy, a mistaken war? Is sending more a honoring
them?
Bush and his cronies have set us up in a situation where we cannot
win, cannot exit with honor, cannot exit at all without starting a
civil war that would end with a strong-man like Sadam or a theocracy
like Iran.
The news from Iraq contradicts what you have said, and every day it
seems to contradict you even more.
Stating opinions like mine is dishonoring the troops? I think not.
My father, a Vietnam vet and retired Navy Corpsman (the "medics" for
the Marines) hates Bush for bringing another generation into a war
like the one he fought in. He dishonors the troops?
Trying to change policy is not dishonoring the troops.
Burying your head in the sand and crying "vietnam!" is not *honoring*
the troops.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
09 May 2005 10:02:06 AM |
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Bear wrote:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
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: Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an important,
: a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few. Honor them by
: giving them the medical help they need should they be injured, rather
: thanby cutting funding to the VA.
:
: Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should still
honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
By bringing them home.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
09 May 2005 01:32:58 PM |
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"Gregory Gadow" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: > "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: > : "Bear" wrote
: > :
: > : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
important,
: > : a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few. Honor them by
: > : giving them the medical help they need should they be injured, rather
: > : thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: > :
: > : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >
: > The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should
still
: > honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
:
: By bringing them home.
How do "we" do that? I am talking about showing them that we care while they
are where they are. Not merely with words or protests, but by action.
--
Bear
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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11 May 2005 08:42:27 AM |
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Bear wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: > "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: > : "Bear" wrote
: > :
: > : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
important,
: > : a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few. Honor them by
: > : giving them the medical help they need should they be injured, rather
: > : thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: > :
: > : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >
: > The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should
still
: > honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
:
: By bringing them home.
How do "we" do that?
"We" meaning the American government. Specifically, the Bush regime. The problem
is, doing so would be an admission that the United States invaded a foreign
country on false pretenses and has remained as an occupational force, and I just
don't see Haliburton making such admissions.
I am talking about showing them that we care while they
are where they are. Not merely with words or protests, but by action.
And the best action is for our government to admit, under the light of growing
evidence, that the mission is a fraud from start to finish and bring American
troops home from Iraq. Or is it more important that our soldiers be maimed and
killed, that spouses be bereived and children made orphaned and loyal men and
women be crippled for the rest of their lives, than for Bush & Co. to lose
"face"? How do YOU define "supporting our troops?"
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
11 May 2005 09:38:59 AM |
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"Gregory Gadow" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: > "Gregory Gadow" wrote
: > : Bear wrote:
: > : > "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: > : > : "Bear" wrote
: > : > :
: > : > : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: > important,
: > : > : a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few. Honor them
by
: > : > : giving them the medical help they need should they be injured,
rather
: > : > : thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: > : > :
: > : > : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: > : >
: > : > The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should
: > still
: > : > honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
: > :
: > : By bringing them home.
: >
: > How do "we" do that?
:
: "We" meaning the American government. Specifically, the Bush regime. The
problem
: is, doing so would be an admission that the United States invaded a
foreign
: country on false pretenses and has remained as an occupational force, and
I just
: don't see Haliburton making such admissions.
No, "we" being us little peons on this newsgroup.
: > I am talking about showing them that we care while they
: > are where they are. Not merely with words or protests, but by action.
:
: And the best action is for our government to admit, under the light of
growing
: evidence, that the mission is a fraud from start to finish and bring
American
: troops home from Iraq. Or is it more important that our soldiers be maimed
and
: killed, that spouses be bereived and children made orphaned and loyal men
and
: women be crippled for the rest of their lives, than for Bush & Co. to lose
: "face"? How do YOU define "supporting our troops?"
Again, I am not talking about the government; I am talking about us on this
newsgroup. I think I have made it abundantly clear in many posts how I
define supporting our troops.
--
Bear
a/a #1422
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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11 May 2005 03:02:33 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote
Again, I am not talking about the government; I am
talking about us on this newsgroup. I think I have
made it abundantly clear in many posts how I
define supporting our troops.
Yeah, by not doing a damn thing for them.
In fact, you strongly advocate dwelling on those things
we haven't the power to change -- like the past -- at the
expense of action today.
You're position is ANTI-support for veterans.
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| User: "Bear" |
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11 May 2005 04:07:39 PM |
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"JTEM" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
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: > Again, I am not talking about the government; I am
: > talking about us on this newsgroup. I think I have
: > made it abundantly clear in many posts how I
: > define supporting our troops.
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: Yeah, by not doing a damn thing for them.
:
: In fact, you strongly advocate dwelling on those things
: we haven't the power to change -- like the past -- at the
: expense of action today.
:
: You're position is ANTI-support for veterans.
You continue to lie.
--
Bear
a/a #1422
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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11 May 2005 04:32:21 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote
: In fact, you strongly advocate dwelling on those things
: we haven't the power to change -- like the past -- at the
: expense of action today.
:
: You're position is ANTI-support for veterans.
You continue to lie.
Opps, seems you misspelled "be accurate."
Your bad.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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09 May 2005 11:49:25 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:427F7B6E.3A26268A@serv.net:
Bear wrote:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
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: Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few.
: Honor them by giving them the medical help they need should they be
: injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
:
: Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should
still honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
By bringing them home.
Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a mockery
of their actions.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 May 2005 04:44:07 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission
and making a mockery of their actions.
Their mission?
The WMDs? Toppling Saddam?
What so-called "mission" is left undone?
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
09 May 2005 01:38:21 PM |
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"Fred Stone" wrote
: Gregory Gadow wrote
: > Bear wrote:
: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >> :
: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a few.
: >> : Honor them by giving them the medical help they need should they be
: >> : injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >> :
: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >>
: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there. We should
: >> still honor the troops no matter what we think of their leaders.
: >
: > By bringing them home.
:
: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a mockery
: of their actions.
You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we came home
and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and spirits the WWII
veterans called us losers and treated us like losers. This happened even
though the reason we didn't win is because the politicians would not let us
win. I say we should look consider the repercussion much more before we go
to war, but if we go to war, we go to win!
--
Bear
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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10 May 2005 08:27:54 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in
news:P8adnRq23s-2M-LfRVn-qQ@comcast.com:
"Fred Stone" wrote
: Gregory Gadow wrote
: > Bear wrote:
: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >> :
: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a
: >> : few. Honor them by giving them the medical help they need should
: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >> :
: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >>
: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there. We
: >> should still honor the troops no matter what we think of their
: >> leaders.
: >
: > By bringing them home.
:
: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: mockery of their actions.
You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we came
home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and spirits the
WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like losers. This
happened even though the reason we didn't win is because the
politicians would not let us win. I say we should look consider the
repercussion much more before we go to war, but if we go to war, we go
to win!
And if winning requires exterminating the local population because they
will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that far to win?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
These televangelists say they don't favor any particular denomination,
but I think we've all seen their eyes light up at tens and twenties...
-- Dennis Miller
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| User: "Bear" |
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10 May 2005 09:22:56 AM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >> :
: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: >: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a
: >: >> : few. Honor them by giving them the medical help they need should
: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >> :
: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >>
: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there. We
: >: >> should still honor the troops no matter what we think of their
: >: >> leaders.
: >: >
: >: > By bringing them home.
: >:
: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: mockery of their actions.
: >
: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we came
: > home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and spirits the
: > WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like losers. This
: > happened even though the reason we didn't win is because the
: > politicians would not let us win. I say we should look consider the
: > repercussion much more before we go to war, but if we go to war, we go
: > to win!
: >
:
: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because they
: will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that far to win?
It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
--
Bear
a/a #1422
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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10 May 2005 08:31:48 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in news:9MqdnZdgCrpZXh3fRVn-
sA@comcast.com:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >> :
: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is
an
: >: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a
: >: >> : few. Honor them by giving them the medical help they need
should
: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >> :
: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >>
: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there. We
: >: >> should still honor the troops no matter what we think of their
: >: >> leaders.
: >: >
: >: > By bringing them home.
: >:
: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: mockery of their actions.
: >
: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we
came
: > home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and spirits the
: > WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like losers. This
: > happened even though the reason we didn't win is because the
: > politicians would not let us win. I say we should look consider the
: > repercussion much more before we go to war, but if we go to war, we
go
: > to win!
: >
:
: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because
they
: will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that far to win?
It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
So there are no locals bombing our troops, and killing any Iraqis who
work with us? It's all foreigners? Not likely.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"The joy I felt as the prospect before me of being the instrument
destined to take away from the world one of its greatest calamities
[smallpox] was so excessive that I found myself in a kind of reverie."
* Edward Jenner
(05/17/1749 - 01/26/1823)
English doctor
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
10 May 2005 09:27:46 PM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is
: an
: >: >: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a
: >: >: >> : few. Honor them by giving them the medical help they need
: should
: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >>
: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there. We
: >: >: >> should still honor the troops no matter what we think of their
: >: >: >> leaders.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >:
: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >
: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we
: came
: >: > home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and spirits the
: >: > WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like losers. This
: >: > happened even though the reason we didn't win is because the
: >: > politicians would not let us win. I say we should look consider the
: >: > repercussion much more before we go to war, but if we go to war, we
: go
: >: > to win!
: >: >
: >:
: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because
: they
: >: will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that far to win?
: >
: > It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
: >
:
: So there are no locals bombing our troops, and killing any Iraqis who
: work with us? It's all foreigners? Not likely.
Who knows, do you?
--
Bear
a/a #1422
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
10 May 2005 10:36:40 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in
news:hIidnbDj4tc18BzfRVn-2w@comcast.com:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it
: >: >: >> : is
: an
: >: >: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich
: >: >: >> : a few. Honor them by giving them the medical help they
: >: >: >> : need
: should
: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >>
: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there.
: >: >: >> We should still honor the troops no matter what we think of
: >: >: >> their leaders.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >:
: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >
: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we
: came
: >: > home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and spirits
: >: > the WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like losers.
: >: > This happened even though the reason we didn't win is because
: >: > the politicians would not let us win. I say we should look
: >: > consider the repercussion much more before we go to war, but if
: >: > we go to war, we
: go
: >: > to win!
: >: >
: >:
: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because
: they
: >: will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that far to
: >: win?
: >
: > It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
: >
:
: So there are no locals bombing our troops, and killing any Iraqis who
: work with us? It's all foreigners? Not likely.
Who knows, do you?
Well, the simplest explaination is that, deep in Iraq, most people are
Iraqi. I go with Occam on this one.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Thank God, under our Constitution there was no connection between Church
and State, and that in my action as President of the United States I
recognized no distinction of creeds in my appointments to office.
-- James K. Polk
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
11 May 2005 08:15:05 AM |
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Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9652D1ACA1B6255229@130.133.1.4:
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in
news:hIidnbDj4tc18BzfRVn-2w@comcast.com:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it
: >: >: >> : is
: an
: >: >: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to
: >: >: >> : enrich a few. Honor them by giving them the medical help
: >: >: >> : they need
: should
: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >>
: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there.
: >: >: >> We should still honor the troops no matter what we think of
: >: >: >> their leaders.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >:
: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making
: >: >: a mockery of their actions.
: >: >
: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when
: >: > we
: came
: >: > home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and
: >: > spirits the WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like
: >: > losers. This happened even though the reason we didn't win is
: >: > because the politicians would not let us win. I say we should
: >: > look consider the repercussion much more before we go to war,
: >: > but if we go to war, we
: go
: >: > to win!
: >: >
: >:
: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population
: >: because
: they
: >: will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that far to
: >: win?
: >
: > It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
: >
:
: So there are no locals bombing our troops, and killing any Iraqis
: who work with us? It's all foreigners? Not likely.
Who knows, do you?
Well, the simplest explaination is that, deep in Iraq, most people are
Iraqi. I go with Occam on this one.
Occam would remember that there are several factions among Iraqis, most
of whom have accepted places in the new government. So it's not the
local population, it is at most a small fraction of the locals, acting
alongside a number of foreigners.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
11 May 2005 03:39:46 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
So it's not the local population, it is at most a small
fraction of the locals, acting alongside a number
of foreigners.
Not according to the Iraqis themselves.
In fact, that's why they concocted a plan to spare
Saddam Hussein in exchange for peace.
The plan is entirely dependent on the idea that the
"terrorists" in Iraq are Iraqis loyal to Saddam.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
13 May 2005 12:25:13 PM |
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:22:56 -0400, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net>
wrote:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >> :
: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: >: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a
: >: >> : few. Honor them by giving them the medical help they need should
: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >> :
: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >>
: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there. We
: >: >> should still honor the troops no matter what we think of their
: >: >> leaders.
: >: >
: >: > By bringing them home.
: >:
: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: mockery of their actions.
: >
: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we came
: > home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and spirits the
: > WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like losers. This
: > happened even though the reason we didn't win is because the
: > politicians would not let us win. I say we should look consider the
: > repercussion much more before we go to war, but if we go to war, we go
: > to win!
: >
:
: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because they
: will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that far to win?
It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
True, it's the US invaders.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
13 May 2005 12:41:11 PM |
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"stoney" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it is an
: >: >: >> : important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to enrich a
: >: >: >> : few. Honor them by giving them the medical help they need
should
: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >>
: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there. We
: >: >: >> should still honor the troops no matter what we think of their
: >: >: >> leaders.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >:
: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >
: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we came
: >: > home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and spirits the
: >: > WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like losers. This
: >: > happened even though the reason we didn't win is because the
: >: > politicians would not let us win. I say we should look consider the
: >: > repercussion much more before we go to war, but if we go to war, we
go
: >: > to win!
: >: >
: >:
: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because they
: >: will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that far to win?
: >
: >It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
:
: True, it's the US invaders.
The last I knew it took at least two sides to fight.
--
Bear
a/a #1422
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
13 May 2005 10:15:07 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in
news:YridnVR4FYUnexnfRVn-rw@comcast.com:
"stoney" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it
: >: >: >> : is an important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to
: >: >: >> : enrich a few. Honor them by giving them the medical help
: >: >: >> : they need
should
: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >>
: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there.
: >: >: >> We should still honor the troops no matter what we think of
: >: >: >> their leaders.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >:
: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >
: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we
: >: > came home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and
: >: > spirits the WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like
: >: > losers. This happened even though the reason we didn't win is
: >: > because the politicians would not let us win. I say we should
: >: > look consider the repercussion much more before we go to war,
: >: > but if we go to war, we
go
: >: > to win!
: >: >
: >:
: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because
: >: they will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that
: >: far to win?
: >
: >It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
:
: True, it's the US invaders.
The last I knew it took at least two sides to fight.
Yes, but they are at the home team, we're the away team.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good
as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and
concludes that two idiots are better than one genius."
* Leo Szilard
(02/11/1898 - 05/30/1964)
Hungarian-US scientist
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
13 May 2005 10:34:31 PM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "stoney" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote:
: >: >"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it
: >: >: >: >> : is an important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to
: >: >: >: >> : enrich a few. Honor them by giving them the medical help
: >: >: >: >> : they need
: > should
: >: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >: >>
: >: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there.
: >: >: >: >> We should still honor the troops no matter what we think of
: >: >: >: >> their leaders.
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we
: >: >: > came home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and
: >: >: > spirits the WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like
: >: >: > losers. This happened even though the reason we didn't win is
: >: >: > because the politicians would not let us win. I say we should
: >: >: > look consider the repercussion much more before we go to war,
: >: >: > but if we go to war, we
: > go
: >: >: > to win!
: >: >: >
: >: >:
: >: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because
: >: >: they will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that
: >: >: far to win?
: >: >
: >: >It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
: >:
: >: True, it's the US invaders.
: >
: > The last I knew it took at least two sides to fight.
: >
:
: Yes, but they are at the home team, we're the away team.
Which they are you referring to?
--
Bear
a/a #1422
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
14 May 2005 02:35:00 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in news:8OCdnfSjnNVX7BjfRVn-
tw@comcast.com:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "stoney" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote:
: >: >"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when
it
: >: >: >: >> : is an important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse
to
: >: >: >: >> : enrich a few. Honor them by giving them the medical help
: >: >: >: >> : they need
: > should
: >: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the
VA.
: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >: >>
: >: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there.
: >: >: >: >> We should still honor the troops no matter what we think
of
: >: >: >: >> their leaders.
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making
a
: >: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when
we
: >: >: > came home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and
: >: >: > spirits the WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like
: >: >: > losers. This happened even though the reason we didn't win is
: >: >: > because the politicians would not let us win. I say we should
: >: >: > look consider the repercussion much more before we go to war,
: >: >: > but if we go to war, we
: > go
: >: >: > to win!
: >: >: >
: >: >:
: >: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population
because
: >: >: they will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that
: >: >: far to win?
: >: >
: >: >It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
: >:
: >: True, it's the US invaders.
: >
: > The last I knew it took at least two sides to fight.
: >
:
: Yes, but they are at the home team, we're the away team.
Which they are you referring to?
The Iraqi "insurgents". They seem to be fighting on their own land,
fighting a foreign invader. Their method of fighting is to kill anyone
they can, stir up hate, knowing that it will be directed against us in
the end, and they are correct. Our presence has made them successful,
and I resent anything that rewards such evil as bombing civilians.
Perhaps if we'd waited, had a president who could have brought a true
international coalition together based on facts, not a sham coalition
based on transparent lies, we could have led the Iraqis to a free
government.
But no, that is now forever impossible. No Iraqis like us. One group
uses us to strengthen themselves against the other. Good men and women
die in a hopeless war, a war where simply defending themselves breeds
more hate against them and the United States. And we look more and more
like the thugs we fought against in WW2 and the cold war to the rest of
the world.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It's easier for the eye of a rich man to pass through a camel than for a
needle to enter heaven.
-- lapel button
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
14 May 2005 02:46:16 AM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote in
: > "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: > "stoney" wrote
: >: >: "Bear" wrote:
: >: >: >"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when
: it
: >: >: >: >: >> : is an important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse
: to
: >: >: >: >: >> : enrich a few. Honor them by giving them the medical help
: >: >: >: >: >> : they need
: >: > should
: >: >: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the
: VA.
: >: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >: >: >>
: >: >: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there.
: >: >: >: >: >> We should still honor the troops no matter what we think
: of
: >: >: >: >: >> their leaders.
: >: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making
: a
: >: >: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when
: we
: >: >: >: > came home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and
: >: >: >: > spirits the WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like
: >: >: >: > losers. This happened even though the reason we didn't win is
: >: >: >: > because the politicians would not let us win. I say we should
: >: >: >: > look consider the repercussion much more before we go to war,
: >: >: >: > but if we go to war, we
: >: > go
: >: >: >: > to win!
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population
: because
: >: >: >: they will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that
: >: >: >: far to win?
: >: >: >
: >: >: >It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
: >: >:
: >: >: True, it's the US invaders.
: >: >
: >: > The last I knew it took at least two sides to fight.
: >: >
: >:
: >: Yes, but they are at the home team, we're the away team.
: >
: > Which they are you referring to?
: >
:
: The Iraqi "insurgents". They seem to be fighting on their own land,
: fighting a foreign invader. Their method of fighting is to kill anyone
: they can, stir up hate, knowing that it will be directed against us in
: the end, and they are correct. Our presence has made them successful,
: and I resent anything that rewards such evil as bombing civilians.
1. Not all of the insrgents are Iraqis. 2. It isn't working for them.
: Perhaps if we'd waited, had a president who could have brought a true
: international coalition together based on facts, not a sham coalition
: based on transparent lies, we could have led the Iraqis to a free
: government.
They seem to be working toward a free government.
: But no, that is now forever impossible. No Iraqis like us. One group
: uses us to strengthen themselves against the other. Good men and women
: die in a hopeless war, a war where simply defending themselves breeds
: more hate against them and the United States. And we look more and more
: like the thugs we fought against in WW2 and the cold war to the rest of
: the world.
I disagree. I have read plenty about the Iraqis that are glad we came and
glad we're staying until they are on their feet again.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39202
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/05/12/opinion/20050513_opchart.html
http://www.untoldiraq.org/
--
Bear
a/a #1422
And I know it’s my own damn fault.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
14 May 2005 07:07:27 AM |
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Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns96565F47FC05255229@130.133.1.4:
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net> wrote in news:8OCdnfSjnNVX7BjfRVn-
tw@comcast.com:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "stoney" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote:
: >: >"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when
it
: >: >: >: >> : is an important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse
to
: >: >: >: >> : enrich a few. Honor them by giving them the medical
: >: >: >: >> : help they need
: > should
: >: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the
VA.
: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >: >>
: >: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already
: >: >: >: >> there. We should still honor the troops no matter what
: >: >: >: >> we think
of
: >: >: >: >> their leaders.
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and
: >: >: >: making
a
: >: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that
: >: >: > when
we
: >: >: > came home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship
: >: >: > and spirits the WWII veterans called us losers and treated
: >: >: > us like losers. This happened even though the reason we
: >: >: > didn't win is because the politicians would not let us win.
: >: >: > I say we should look consider the repercussion much more
: >: >: > before we go to war, but if we go to war, we
: > go
: >: >: > to win!
: >: >: >
: >: >:
: >: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population
because
: >: >: they will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go
: >: >: that far to win?
: >: >
: >: >It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
: >:
: >: True, it's the US invaders.
: >
: > The last I knew it took at least two sides to fight.
: >
:
: Yes, but they are at the home team, we're the away team.
Which they are you referring to?
The Iraqi "insurgents". They seem to be fighting on their own land,
fighting a foreign invader. Their method of fighting is to kill
anyone they can, stir up hate, knowing that it will be directed
against us in the end, and they are correct.
They are *not* correct. Their tactic is not working. They're stirring up
hate, all right, against *themselves*.
Our presence has made
them successful, and I resent anything that rewards such evil as
bombing civilians.
You must really resent yourself.
Perhaps if we'd waited, had a president who could have brought a true
international coalition together based on facts, not a sham coalition
based on transparent lies, we could have led the Iraqis to a free
government.
But no, that is now forever impossible. No Iraqis like us.
They make not like us, but they *hate* the terrorists.
One group
uses us to strengthen themselves against the other. Good men and
women die in a hopeless war, a war where simply defending themselves
breeds more hate against them and the United States. And we look more
and more like the thugs we fought against in WW2 and the cold war to
the rest of the world.
Only because of anti-American propaganda like the stuff you're reciting.
And yes, it's anti-American. Don't waste your breath on denials.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Shouldn't Americans Support the Troops? |
15 May 2005 03:56:44 PM |
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 23:34:31 -0400, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@native.web.net>
wrote:
"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: "Bear" wrote
: > "stoney" wrote
: >: "Bear" wrote:
: >: >"Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: "Bear" wrote
: >: >: > "Fred Stone" wrote
: >: >: >: Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: >: >: > Bear wrote:
: >: >: >: >> "Enkidu the Atheist" wrote
: >: >: >: >> : "Bear" wrote
: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >> : Yes. Honor them by sending them into danger only when it
: >: >: >: >> : is an important, a just cause, not a trumped up excuse to
: >: >: >: >> : enrich a few. Honor them by giving them the medical help
: >: >: >: >> : they need
: > should
: >: >: >: >> : they be injured, rather thanby cutting funding to the VA.
: >: >: >: >> :
: >: >: >: >> : Sending them on a fools errand is not honoring them.
: >: >: >: >>
: >: >: >: >> The problem with that statement is that are already there.
: >: >: >: >> We should still honor the troops no matter what we think of
: >: >: >: >> their leaders.
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: > By bringing them home.
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: Sure, honor the troops by abandoning their mission and making a
: >: >: >: mockery of their actions.
: >: >: >
: >: >: > You know, I bet about 100% of you people don't know that when we
: >: >: > came home and went into our local VFW for some fellowship and
: >: >: > spirits the WWII veterans called us losers and treated us like
: >: >: > losers. This happened even though the reason we didn't win is
: >: >: > because the politicians would not let us win. I say we should
: >: >: > look consider the repercussion much more before we go to war,
: >: >: > but if we go to war, we
: > go
: >: >: > to win!
: >: >: >
: >: >:
: >: >: And if winning requires exterminating the local population because
: >: >: they will never accept our presence? Are we willing to go that
: >: >: far to win?
: >: >
: >: >It isn't the local population that is causing the problems.
: >:
: >: True, it's the US invaders.
: >
: > The last I knew it took at least two sides to fight.
: >
:
: Yes, but they are at the home team, we're the away team.
Which they are you referring to?
What a despicable and dishonest sack of ***** you are.
Adios dipshit.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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