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20 Dec 2005 01:46:49 AM |
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shroud of turin |
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" |
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20 Dec 2005 09:11:47 AM |
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"DaveJr" <davesbrain@qwest.net> wrote in message
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I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
it seems to been made by da'vinci as a joke against the church and the
idiots that believed.in fact it may be the face of da'vinci.
that guy was a genius!
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I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented
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AA #2241.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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20 Dec 2005 11:30:18 AM |
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"I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" wrote:
"DaveJr" <davesbrain@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:5JOpf.74$3Q1.899@news.uswest.net...
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
it seems to been made by da'vinci as a joke against the church and the
idiots that believed.in fact it may be the face of da'vinci.
that guy was a genius!
There is no evidence that the Shroud was made by Leonardo; in fact, the
most likely datings put it as having been made in the 10th or 11th century,
long before the Master was born.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[W]e have never held that moral disapproval, without any other asserted
state interest, is a sufficient rationale under the Equal Protection
Clause to justify a law that discriminates among groups of persons."
- Sandra Day O`Conner, _Lawrence v Texas_
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=02-102
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| User: "Woden" |
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20 Dec 2005 04:55:22 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
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"I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" wrote:
"DaveJr" <davesbrain@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:5JOpf.74$3Q1.899@news.uswest.net...
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
it seems to been made by da'vinci as a joke against the church and
the idiots that believed.in fact it may be the face of da'vinci.
that guy was a genius!
There is no evidence that the Shroud was made by Leonardo; in fact,
the most likely datings put it as having been made in the 10th or 11th
century, long before the Master was born.
Actually, that merely dates the fabric. He could still have done the
artwork on an older piece of cloth. (Possible yes. Pluasible, I have
some doubts.)
One interesting tidbit in the show was when they suggested and
experimented how Da Vinci (or someone) could actually have done the
shroud using a photographic process.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: shroud of turin |
20 Dec 2005 06:24:15 PM |
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:43A83FAA.5531C246@serv.net:
"I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" wrote:
"DaveJr" <davesbrain@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:5JOpf.74$3Q1.899@news.uswest.net...
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
it seems to been made by da'vinci as a joke against the church and
the idiots that believed.in fact it may be the face of da'vinci.
that guy was a genius!
There is no evidence that the Shroud was made by Leonardo; in fact,
the most likely datings put it as having been made in the 10th or 11th
century, long before the Master was born.
Actually, that merely dates the fabric. He could still have done the
artwork on an older piece of cloth. (Possible yes. Pluasible, I have
some doubts.)
One interesting tidbit in the show was when they suggested and
experimented how Da Vinci (or someone) could actually have done the
shroud using a photographic process.
But the forgery is so lame it's actually an INSULT to Da Vinci to suggest he
did it.
Surely he would have distorted the image to account for a 3 dimensional
head.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Woden" |
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20 Dec 2005 08:08:38 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9732B670738FFwodencharternet@69.28.186.121...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:43A83FAA.5531C246@serv.net:
"I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" wrote:
"DaveJr" <davesbrain@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:5JOpf.74$3Q1.899@news.uswest.net...
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin.
Any intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
it seems to been made by da'vinci as a joke against the church and
the idiots that believed.in fact it may be the face of da'vinci.
that guy was a genius!
There is no evidence that the Shroud was made by Leonardo; in fact,
the most likely datings put it as having been made in the 10th or
11th century, long before the Master was born.
Actually, that merely dates the fabric. He could still have done the
artwork on an older piece of cloth. (Possible yes. Pluasible, I
have some doubts.)
One interesting tidbit in the show was when they suggested and
experimented how Da Vinci (or someone) could actually have done the
shroud using a photographic process.
But the forgery is so lame it's actually an INSULT to Da Vinci to
suggest he did it.
Surely he would have distorted the image to account for a 3
dimensional head.
Unless he was just screwing with the church...
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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20 Dec 2005 03:10:15 AM |
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"DaveJr" <davesbrain@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:5JOpf.74$3Q1.899@news.uswest.net...
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
Yes, but the fanatics go on being fanatics. Fundies
don't care about facts. They have their faith to keep
them stupid.
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Dec 2005 04:49:52 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:10:15 -0500, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
Yes, but the fanatics go on being fanatics. Fundies
don't care about facts. They have their faith to keep
them stupid.
So what facts are there that demands it to be a fake?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "JPG" |
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20 Dec 2005 06:25:55 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:10:15 -0500, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
Yes, but the fanatics go on being fanatics. Fundies
don't care about facts. They have their faith to keep
them stupid.
So what facts are there that demands it to be a fake?
That it has been shown to be a 14th century forgery, and don't come
back with all this fundie-ranting crap about carbon dating being
inaccurate.
duke
*****
"Mass suicide is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Poopydrawers
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Dec 2005 06:20:06 PM |
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On 20 Dec 2005 04:25:55 -0800, "JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com>
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So what facts are there that demands it to be a fake?
That it has been shown to be a 14th century forgery, and don't come
back with all this fundie-ranting crap about carbon dating being
inaccurate.
Terribly inaccurate. Read it for yourself.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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20 Dec 2005 11:46:12 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ej7hq1195619a81v4vlbpv6cij0ockc9hj@4ax.com:
On 20 Dec 2005 04:25:55 -0800, "JPG"
<j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So what facts are there that demands it to be a fake?
That it has been shown to be a 14th century forgery, and don't come
back with all this fundie-ranting crap about carbon dating being
inaccurate.
Terribly inaccurate. Read it for yourself.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Duke you are the second most gullible person I have come across. Ever use
jackhammer to adjust a watch? Ever use a chain saw to thaw ice? Misuse
any took or use it improperly and you will get erroneous results.
I worked at a Christian TV station several years ago and we had one person
that tried to produce a show about the age of the earth, c-14 dating and
the rest. The show held the same position as the site you mentioned. It
was coming along nicely and they had about 3/4 of the show in the can when
I finally talked to her. I told her that what she was producing was
patently false and in some cases a blatent lie. When I gave her the
appropriate books and articles to read and she did the research the entire
project was flushed. It was about 9 months of work on the stations part to
produce this "expose" and it was all for naught. At least they weren't the
laughing stock of Chicago because of that show.
Go get some eduacation and start gathering real hard facts from scientists
not from some fundamentalist that closes his eyes.
"There are none so blind as those who will not see" the facts.
pierce
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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22 Dec 2005 05:39:32 PM |
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Duke you are the second most gullible person I have come across.
Just out of cuiousity...who's the first?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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21 Dec 2005 12:35:43 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:46:12 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ej7hq1195619a81v4vlbpv6cij0ockc9hj@4ax.com:
On 20 Dec 2005 04:25:55 -0800, "JPG"
<j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So what facts are there that demands it to be a fake?
That it has been shown to be a 14th century forgery, and don't come
back with all this fundie-ranting crap about carbon dating being
inaccurate.
Terribly inaccurate. Read it for yourself.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Duke you are the second most gullible person I have come across. Ever use
jackhammer to adjust a watch? Ever use a chain saw to thaw ice? Misuse
any took or use it improperly and you will get erroneous results.
I worked at a Christian TV station several years ago and we had one person
that tried to produce a show about the age of the earth, c-14 dating and
the rest. The show held the same position as the site you mentioned. It
was coming along nicely and they had about 3/4 of the show in the can when
I finally talked to her. I told her that what she was producing was
patently false and in some cases a blatent lie. When I gave her the
appropriate books and articles to read and she did the research the entire
project was flushed. It was about 9 months of work on the stations part to
produce this "expose" and it was all for naught. At least they weren't the
laughing stock of Chicago because of that show.
Go get some eduacation and start gathering real hard facts from scientists
not from some fundamentalist that closes his eyes.
"There are none so blind as those who will not see" the facts.
pierce
Your advice is entirely wasted on dukie-boy.
He actively seeks to be as ignorant as possible.
And is doing quite well at his self-imposed task of information
removal.
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| User: "duke" |
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23 Dec 2005 06:59:18 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:05:43 +1030, Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>
wrote:
Your advice is entirely wasted on dukie-boy.
He offered none.
He actively seeks to be as ignorant as possible.
And is doing quite well at his self-imposed task of information
removal.
Well, duhhh, will you ever say something with value.
So far, your most courageous statement on the ng was to laugh at others that
were accidentally killed.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "duke" |
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23 Dec 2005 06:54:21 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:46:12 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com>
wrote:
That it has been shown to be a 14th century forgery, and don't come
back with all this fundie-ranting crap about carbon dating being
inaccurate.
Terribly inaccurate. Read it for yourself.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html
Duke you are the second most gullible person I have come across. Ever use
jackhammer to adjust a watch? Ever use a chain saw to thaw ice? Misuse
any took or use it improperly and you will get erroneous results.
That's what I said.
I worked at a Christian TV station several years ago and we had one person
that tried to produce a show about the age of the earth, c-14 dating and
the rest. The show held the same position as the site you mentioned. It
was coming along nicely and they had about 3/4 of the show in the can when
I finally talked to her. I told her that what she was producing was
patently false and in some cases a blatent lie. When I gave her the
appropriate books and articles to read and she did the research the entire
project was flushed. It was about 9 months of work on the stations part to
produce this "expose" and it was all for naught. At least they weren't the
laughing stock of Chicago because of that show.
Go get some eduacation and start gathering real hard facts from scientists
not from some fundamentalist that closes his eyes.
Now tell everybody why carbon dating is so perfect.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "William T. Goat, Esq." |
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20 Dec 2005 09:07:44 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:10:15 -0500, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
Yes, but the fanatics go on being fanatics. Fundies
don't care about facts. They have their faith to keep
them stupid.
So what facts are there that demands it to be a fake?
The image on the shroud does not have the proportions of a real human
body. It does however have the unrealistic proportions commonly used by
pre-Renaissance artists.
--Billy
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| User: "Marc Adler" |
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21 Dec 2005 04:32:45 AM |
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duke wrote:
So what facts are there that demands it to be a fake?
Why don't you come back when you've learned to speak English properly,
you cretin?
Marc
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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20 Dec 2005 03:39:35 PM |
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I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
I saw that the show was "brought to you by the United Methodist
Church". That notwithstanding, the History Channel has become a poor
choice for information. It never really answers anything, but ends its shows
stating the same questions it starts with. Gutlessly, it resists actually
debunking UFO's, sasquatches, bibles, angels, ghosts, and mysteries near
Bermuda.
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| User: "DaveJr" |
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20 Dec 2005 04:23:59 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:acbe$43a8799d$3f2a46c9$25850@DIALUPUSA.NET...
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
I saw that the show was "brought to you by the United Methodist
Church". That notwithstanding, the History Channel has become a poor
choice for information. It never really answers anything, but ends its
shows
stating the same questions it starts with. Gutlessly, it resists actually
debunking UFO's, sasquatches, bibles, angels, ghosts, and mysteries near
Bermuda.
Very true. The History Channel is very poor for intellectual programming.
Mostly war & god....is this the only history that the US has dwindled down
to?
I do however enjoy most of the 'Modern Marvels' shows, except the bibletech
ones, those get an immediate and ruthless click from the remote.
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Dec 2005 04:48:50 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:46:49 -0700, "DaveJr" <davesbrain@qwest.net> wrote:
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
Never has been.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Sanitys little helper" |
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20 Dec 2005 08:44:35 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:48:50 -0600, duke wrote:
Never has been.
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Don't you just love the panto season?
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Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow, we eat, drink and be merry.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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20 Dec 2005 02:39:34 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:46:49 -0700, "DaveJr" <davesbrain@qwest.net>
wrote:
I missed the History channel show about the shroud of turin. Any
intelligent people see it?
Was it proven to be a fake....again
Never has been.
You don't even need to test it to prove that. Just look at the image. It's
flat - not an impression from a cloth wrapped around someone. The bishop
who denounced it when it first surfaced saw through it from day one.
Klazmon.
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Dec 2005 06:22:13 PM |
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On 21 Dec 2005 09:39:34 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt>
wrote:
Never has been.
You don't even need to test it to prove that. Just look at the image. It's
flat - not an impression from a cloth wrapped around someone. The bishop
who denounced it when it first surfaced saw through it from day one.
Klazmon.
not photographed, not painted. Only a very bright and brilliant flash could
have done it. God works wonders, doesn't he.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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20 Dec 2005 07:39:36 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 21 Dec 2005 09:39:34 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt>
wrote:
Never has been.
You don't even need to test it to prove that. Just look at the image.
It's
flat - not an impression from a cloth wrapped around someone. The bishop
who denounced it when it first surfaced saw through it from day one.
Klazmon.
not photographed, not painted. Only a very bright and brilliant flash
could
have done it. God works wonders, doesn't he.
I laugh in your face you fool! Your staggering intellect astounds me.
Bright and brilliant flash from gawd...are you kidding me? Perhaps
Spielberg could do the special effects. Good grief, what a loon.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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21 Dec 2005 01:13:21 PM |
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DaveJr wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:008hq1t5kmt0cci1p11q32sk1lqhc2nuti@4ax.com...
On 21 Dec 2005 09:39:34 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
Never has been.
You don't even need to test it to prove that. Just look at the
image.
It's
flat - not an impression from a cloth wrapped around someone. The
bishop who denounced it when it first surfaced saw through it from
day one.
Klazmon.
not photographed, not painted. Only a very bright and brilliant
flash
could
have done it. God works wonders, doesn't he.
I laugh in your face you fool! Your staggering intellect astounds
me.
Bright and brilliant flash from gawd...are you kidding me? Perhaps
Spielberg could do the special effects. Good grief, what a loon.
This is an old theory by some fool or the other, that the body of
Jesus emitted some sort of radiation that burned the image onto
the interior of the clothe wrapping the body.
The problem is as investigator Joe Nickell showed, is that such a
figure would leave a grotesque image not at all like what we see on
the shroud. What some artist did was make a bas relief clay model,
press a damp clothe around the model and artfully dabble paint on
top of the clothe. This results in an artful painting, but not what a
real clothe radiated as claimed would show.
--
Wassail, Happy Holidays, Merry Solstice, Happy
Saturnalia, mull the wine and pass the eggnog.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Dec 2005 05:28:42 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:13:21 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
not photographed, not painted. Only a very bright and brilliant
flash
could
have done it. God works wonders, doesn't he.
I laugh in your face you fool! Your staggering intellect astounds
me.
Bright and brilliant flash from gawd...are you kidding me? Perhaps
Spielberg could do the special effects. Good grief, what a loon.
This is an old theory by some fool or the other, that the body of
Jesus emitted some sort of radiation that burned the image onto
the interior of the clothe wrapping the body.
Now you're getting close. The flash, and it was an intense light that made the
image, came from within the wrapping, not outside.
The problem is as investigator Joe Nickell showed, is that such a
figure would leave a grotesque image not at all like what we see on
the shroud.
An internal flash in a wrapped condition would do exactly that. When the shroud
is laid open, the figure takes on a configuration unlike any man's body.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Steve O" |
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21 Dec 2005 04:27:47 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 21 Dec 2005 09:39:34 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt>
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Never has been.
You don't even need to test it to prove that. Just look at the image. It's
flat - not an impression from a cloth wrapped around someone. The bishop
who denounced it when it first surfaced saw through it from day one.
Klazmon.
not photographed, not painted. Only a very bright and brilliant flash
could
have done it. God works wonders, doesn't he.
Easy method - paint the figure onto glass, place the glass over a sheet and
let the sun bleach the image onto the shroud.
Besides that - how tall do you think Jesus was?
About 5'5" would be the average for a man of his time.
Do you actually know how tall the figure on the shroud is?
Do you know that the frontal image is clearly a different height from the
rear image?
(Perhaps you didn't even know there was a rear image)
Duke, you gullibility astounds me.
Don't you EVER question anything?
Do you have no critical thinking skills at all?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: shroud of turin |
21 Dec 2005 05:30:12 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:27:47 -0000, "Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:008hq1t5kmt0cci1p11q32sk1lqhc2nuti@4ax.com...
On 21 Dec 2005 09:39:34 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt>
wrote:
Never has been.
You don't even need to test it to prove that. Just look at the image. It's
flat - not an impression from a cloth wrapped around someone. The bishop
who denounced it when it first surfaced saw through it from day one.
Klazmon.
not photographed, not painted. Only a very bright and brilliant flash
could
have done it. God works wonders, doesn't he.
Easy method - paint the figure onto glass, place the glass over a sheet and
let the sun bleach the image onto the shroud.
Besides that - how tall do you think Jesus was?
About 5'5" would be the average for a man of his time.
Do you actually know how tall the figure on the shroud is?
Do you know that the frontal image is clearly a different height from the
rear image?
(Perhaps you didn't even know there was a rear image)
Duke, you gullibility astounds me.
Don't you EVER question anything?
Do you have no critical thinking skills at all?
Even easier than that, would have been to pin it down in the sun, and
sprinkle sand over the bits that were not to be bleached.
Blowing some of it off after a while, for partial exposure.
So simple that an 8 year could think of this and do it all by
themselves.
That means that duky-boy needs at least 4 more years to reach that
level of imagination.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: shroud of turin |
22 Dec 2005 05:33:46 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:00:12 +1030, Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>
wrote:
Even easier than that, would have been to pin it down in the sun, and
sprinkle sand over the bits that were not to be bleached.
Blowing some of it off after a while, for partial exposure.
So simple that an 8 year could think of this and do it all by
themselves.
That means that duky-boy needs at least 4 more years to reach that
level of imagination.
the light came from within.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: shroud of turin |
22 Dec 2005 05:32:54 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:27:47 -0000, "Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
not photographed, not painted. Only a very bright and brilliant flash
could
have done it. God works wonders, doesn't he.
Easy method - paint the figure onto glass, place the glass over a sheet and
let the sun bleach the image onto the shroud.
Sorry, no painting. Only an intense flash could have done this. And the flash
was from within to boot.
Besides that - how tall do you think Jesus was?
About 5'5" would be the average for a man of his time.
I don't know.
Do you actually know how tall the figure on the shroud is?
Do you know that the frontal image is clearly a different height from the
rear image?
More evidence of a wrapping involved in the image.
(Perhaps you didn't even know there was a rear image)
Duke, you gullibility astounds me.
Oh sure I knew.
Don't you EVER question anything?
Do you have no critical thinking skills at all?
You have to address why they intense flash was clearly revealed to be from
within. Don't you ever do any critical thinking? Oh, I understand, stay clear
of facts and critical thinking isn't required.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: shroud of turin |
20 Dec 2005 07:21:06 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:008hq1t5kmt0cci1p11q32sk1lqhc2nuti@4ax.com:
On 21 Dec 2005 09:39:34 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon
<Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
Never has been.
You don't even need to test it to prove that. Just look at the image.
It's flat - not an impression from a cloth wrapped around someone. The
bishop who denounced it when it first surfaced saw through it from day
one.
Klazmon.
not photographed, not painted. Only a very bright and brilliant flash
could have done it. God works wonders, doesn't he.
Wrong shape. Dead on arrival.
Klazmon.
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