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23 Jan 2006 10:14:04 AM |
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Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut |
When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0%2C16937%2C1692139%2C00.html?gusrc=rss
Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut
One of America's most experienced astronauts has denounced the space shuttle
as a deathtrap and accused US space officials of stifling all concerns
raised about its safety.
The revelation comes as America prepares to commemorate the 20th anniversary
of the Challenger disaster. Seven astronauts were killed on 28 January 1986,
when their shuttle exploded 73 seconds after take-off.
Veteran astronaut Mike Mullane's outburst therefore comes at a deeply
embarrassing time for the Nasa. Apart from dealing with the Challenger
anniversary, it is now struggling to save its remaining space shuttles so
they can complete the international space station.
However, all three - Discovery, Atlantis
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"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
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23 Jan 2006 11:49:06 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest
waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0%2C16937%2C1692139%2C00.html?gusrc=rss
Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut
Yes. What's your point?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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23 Jan 2006 07:36:05 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest
waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
<sigh>
NASA's budget makes up less than *one penny* out of every tax dollar. year
in, year out.
Contrast to social programs, which make up over half of every tax dollar and
demonstrably do not work.
The IRS includes pie charts in each year's Form 1040 instruction booklet
that show the precentage of the federal budget spent on each category. The
numbers change a bit from year to year, but they are on the whole very
consistent.
How about you do your homework before you speak out, okay?
Thanks.
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Terrell Miller
millerto@bellsouth.net
"If Pop is a basket of kittens, and Punk a snarky little terrier, modern
Prog is the giant squid beast that eats them all"
-Entertainment Weekly
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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23 Jan 2006 11:29:45 PM |
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Terrell Miller wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest
waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
<sigh>
NASA's budget makes up less than *one penny* out of every tax dollar. year
in, year out.
I'll give them TWO pennies if they'll get off their asses and launch
something.
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| Title: Re: Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut |
24 Jan 2006 08:12:14 AM |
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Face FACTS! If the shuttle ever flies again its next accident is its
LAST!
Wether its the next flight or 3 years from now the program will not
survive another lost vehicle and crew, its highly likely if its another
management screw up that nasa will die along with the crew.
congress will put nasa out of its misery, at least the manned part.
NASA has screwed around for years protecting the costly wasteful
shuttle to keep the jobs gravy train going. It left us accomplishing
little but burning up money and killing 2 crews.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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24 Jan 2006 10:57:09 AM |
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On 24 Jan 2006 06:12:14 -0800, "hallerb@aol.com" <hallerb@aol.com>
wrote:
Face FACTS! If the shuttle ever flies again its next accident is its
LAST!
Wether its the next flight or 3 years from now the program will not
survive another lost vehicle and crew, its highly likely if its another
management screw up that nasa will die along with the crew.
congress will put nasa out of its misery, at least the manned part.
NASA has screwed around for years protecting the costly wasteful
shuttle to keep the jobs gravy train going. It left us accomplishing
little but burning up money and killing 2 crews.
If only congress would apply the same metric to themselves, the
Defense Department, the DEA, the CIA, the NSA or any other of the
alphabet agencies they've foisted on the citzenry, we could probably
afford to do NASA right.
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2006 09:08:02 AM |
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Terrell Miller wrote:
NASA's budget makes up less than *one penny* out of every tax dollar. year
in, year out.
And? If you owe $500,000, does that mean you shouldn't have any qualms
about borrowing another $5k?
Contrast to social programs, which make up over half of every tax dollar and
demonstrably do not work.
Nor does the manned spaceflight side of NASA post-Apollo, if your goal
is to go into space rather than watch some government bureaucrats do
so. The unmanned side has achieved far more for far less money: I'm
vastly more excited about seeing Pluto closeup in a few years than by
mission 'STS-deliver-pizza-to-space-station', yet the costs are about
the same.
If manned spaceflight is such a great deal, why not put a box on the
tax forms asking people to donate their 'one cent of every tax dollar'?
After all, they'll all tick it, right?
Mark
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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25 Jan 2006 03:33:27 PM |
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In article <YsWdna0bZNw1nUjeRVn-rA@giganews.com> "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
Will someone kindly explain to me the fear of NASA one sees in
rightwing posts, particularly in posts by fundies?
I get the feeling it stems from a horror of the idea
that life might be discovered somewhere outside of
earth, as if this would discredit the Bible somehow.
I don't see why they should view it this way.
-- cary
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25 Jan 2006 04:13:32 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
Will someone kindly explain to me the fear of NASA one sees in
rightwing posts, particularly in posts by fundies?
I get the feeling it stems from a horror of the idea
that life might be discovered somewhere outside of
earth, as if this would discredit the Bible somehow.
I don't see why they should view it this way.
And you are a rational person.....
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Julian Bordas
Rockets should land on their tails
as God and Heinlein intended
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Jan 2006 12:19:05 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:33:27 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote in alt.atheism
In article <YsWdna0bZNw1nUjeRVn-rA@giganews.com> "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
Will someone kindly explain to me the fear of NASA one sees in
rightwing posts, particularly in posts by fundies?
Envy. Envy that others dare to dream and dare to explore realms the
cretins can't even fathom and foul their nappies in fear of.
I get the feeling it stems from a horror of the idea
that life might be discovered somewhere outside of
earth, as if this would discredit the Bible somehow.
The Bible has zero credit so there's nothing to discredit.
I don't see why they should view it this way.
You're not a superstitious lout.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Scott Hedrick" |
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26 Jan 2006 01:21:13 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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The Bible has zero credit
That's because it pays with cash and doesn't need credit.
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Jan 2006 12:11:56 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:21:13 -0500, "Scott Hedrick"
<diespammers-dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:6h4it1tfiakamcillg33ubagm7qt3vfbru@4ax.com...
The Bible has zero credit
That's because it pays with cash and doesn't need credit.
Protection rackets have that tendency.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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27 Jan 2006 08:01:21 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:21:13 -0500, "Scott Hedrick"
<diespammers-dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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The Bible has zero credit
That's because it pays with cash and doesn't need credit.
Protection rackets have that tendency.
Folks who carefully control their own futures do as well. Something you
might consider.
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| User: "stoney" |
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28 Jan 2006 12:28:42 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:01:21 -0500, "Scott Hedrick"
<diespammers-dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:21:13 -0500, "Scott Hedrick"
<diespammers-dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:6h4it1tfiakamcillg33ubagm7qt3vfbru@4ax.com...
The Bible has zero credit
That's because it pays with cash and doesn't need credit.
Protection rackets have that tendency.
Folks who carefully control their own futures do as well. Something you
might consider.
That they do.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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23 Jan 2006 10:59:34 AM |
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J Young wrote:
When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0%2C16937%2C1692139%2C00.html?gusrc=rss
Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut
One of America's most experienced astronauts has denounced the space shuttle
as a deathtrap and accused US space officials of stifling all concerns
raised about its safety.
The revelation comes as America prepares to commemorate the 20th anniversary
of the Challenger disaster. Seven astronauts were killed on 28 January 1986,
when their shuttle exploded 73 seconds after take-off.
Veteran astronaut Mike Mullane's outburst therefore comes at a deeply
embarrassing time for the Nasa. Apart from dealing with the Challenger
anniversary, it is now struggling to save its remaining space shuttles so
they can complete the international space station.
However, all three - Discovery, Atlantis
Further in the article we see:
'You walk in terrified of doing anything that might jeopardise your one
chance to get to space,' Mullane said in an interview to promote his
new book, Riding Rockets. 'It's not like other jobs, where if you get
frustrated you can go in to your boss and say "Shove it!" You can't do
that at Nasa because there's no other place to go fly shuttles.'
Hmm, promoting a new book. Sounds like the timing of this 'outburst'
was just a publicity stunt. Also, he didn't seem to mind this
'deathtrap' too much in order to get his chance to go into space.
--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
Still a lier for Jesus.
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| User: "Scott Hedrick" |
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23 Jan 2006 01:31:03 PM |
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J Young wrote:
When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest
waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
Why would they, when it's a blatant lie? The money spent on your education
is the single biggest waste of tax dollars, followed by the whole of
Congress.
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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23 Jan 2006 12:01:56 PM |
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J Young wrote:
When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0%2C16937%2C1692139%2C00.html?gusrc=rss
Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut
Blah.
Each of those shuttles made huge numbers of flights without incident.
You might as well pick a random airliner and complain that it's a
deathtrap because there are no ejection seats.
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Jan 2006 02:53:34 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:01:56 -0600, Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
J Young wrote:
When will the average citizen realize that NASA is the single, biggest waste
of taxpayer dollars on the American landscape. 'Fraud and waste' could be
their motto.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0%2C16937%2C1692139%2C00.html?gusrc=rss
Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut
Blah.
Each of those shuttles made huge numbers of flights without incident.
You might as well pick a random airliner and complain that it's a
deathtrap because there are no ejection seats.
The flight crew laments the fact there's no ejection seat (sans chute)
when it is aboard.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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23 Jan 2006 05:25:26 PM |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
Blah.
Each of those shuttles made huge numbers of flights without incident.
I don't think 114 flights divided up among 5 Shuttles gives any one of
them a "huge" number of flights.
Pat
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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23 Jan 2006 06:38:00 PM |
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"Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
Blah.
Each of those shuttles made huge numbers of flights without incident.
I don't think 114 flights divided up among 5 Shuttles gives any one of
them a "huge" number of flights.
Well, for spacecraft it kinda does. The usual average for spacecraft is 1.
But your point is well taken!
They ARE deathtraps. One could say that it's an intrinsic property of being
strapped to tons of explosives by the lowest bidder.
That's why being an astronaut is considered a DANGEROUS job. That's not
likely to change until there's some sort of fundamental change in the method
we use to get into space, be it a plane that flies into orbit, or a space
elevator. But this fireworks ***** is always going to be hazardous.
But it's currently the only way. So that's the way we do it.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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25 Jan 2006 07:57:58 PM |
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"deathtraps...an intrinsic property of being
strapped to tons of explosives"
Not actually, the only U.S. manned launch system design(1) propelled by
tons of explosives included an escape system, while the shuttle still
relies on the Festivus pole.
(1) NASA Report GA-5009 Volume 3
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=ga-5009+nasa&btnG=Search
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Jan 2006 02:55:28 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:38:00 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message
news:11tapf85h061384@corp.supernews.com...
Tim McGaughy wrote:
Blah.
Each of those shuttles made huge numbers of flights without incident.
I don't think 114 flights divided up among 5 Shuttles gives any one of
them a "huge" number of flights.
Well, for spacecraft it kinda does. The usual average for spacecraft is 1.
But your point is well taken!
They ARE deathtraps. One could say that it's an intrinsic property of being
strapped to tons of explosives by the lowest bidder.
Driving around town's much more dangerous.
That's why being an astronaut is considered a DANGEROUS job. That's not
likely to change until there's some sort of fundamental change in the method
we use to get into space, be it a plane that flies into orbit, or a space
elevator. But this fireworks ***** is always going to be hazardous.
But it's currently the only way. So that's the way we do it.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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25 Jan 2006 03:50:01 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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They ARE deathtraps. One could say that it's an intrinsic property of
being
strapped to tons of explosives by the lowest bidder.
Driving around town's much more dangerous.
Umm. Bull. We don't lose 2% of all drivers and passengers on the roads.
Not even close.
That's why being an astronaut is considered a DANGEROUS job. That's not
likely to change until there's some sort of fundamental change in the
method
we use to get into space, be it a plane that flies into orbit, or a space
elevator. But this fireworks ***** is always going to be hazardous.
But it's currently the only way. So that's the way we do it.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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25 Jan 2006 05:58:41 PM |
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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They ARE deathtraps. One could say that it's an intrinsic property of
being
strapped to tons of explosives by the lowest bidder.
Driving around town's much more dangerous.
Umm. Bull. We don't lose 2% of all drivers and passengers on the roads.
Not even close.
Besides, a friend of mine worked on the shuttle simulators, and he regularly
spoke with the shuttle engineers.
It's a deathtrap, like all rockets, with the added risk of an incredible
complex tile system failure.
That said, I'm proud it flew, and proud of the men and women who flew it.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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26 Jan 2006 12:15:23 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:58:41 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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They ARE deathtraps. One could say that it's an intrinsic property of
being
strapped to tons of explosives by the lowest bidder.
Driving around town's much more dangerous.
Umm. Bull. We don't lose 2% of all drivers and passengers on the roads.
Not even close.
Besides, a friend of mine worked on the shuttle simulators, and he regularly
spoke with the shuttle engineers.
It's a deathtrap, like all rockets, with the added risk of an incredible
complex tile system failure.
That said, I'm proud it flew, and proud of the men and women who flew it.
Exactly. And with the hefty complexity of the vast number of systems
involved increases the things that can go wrong.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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26 Jan 2006 04:56:38 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:58:41 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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They ARE deathtraps. One could say that it's an intrinsic property of
being
strapped to tons of explosives by the lowest bidder.
Driving around town's much more dangerous.
Umm. Bull. We don't lose 2% of all drivers and passengers on the
roads.
Not even close.
Besides, a friend of mine worked on the shuttle simulators, and he
regularly
spoke with the shuttle engineers.
It's a deathtrap, like all rockets, with the added risk of an incredible
complex tile system failure.
That said, I'm proud it flew, and proud of the men and women who flew it.
Exactly. And with the hefty complexity of the vast number of systems
involved increases the things that can go wrong.
Abso-fuckin-lutely!
And it's frustrating that one of the arguably simpler components, the solid
fuel boosters, were one of the first components to show their dark side.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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28 Jan 2006 11:31:35 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:58:41 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in
message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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They ARE deathtraps. One could say that it's an intrinsic property of
being
strapped to tons of explosives by the lowest bidder.
Driving around town's much more dangerous.
Umm. Bull. We don't lose 2% of all drivers and passengers on the
roads.
Not even close.
Besides, a friend of mine worked on the shuttle simulators, and he
regularly
spoke with the shuttle engineers.
It's a deathtrap, like all rockets, with the added risk of an incredible
complex tile system failure.
That said, I'm proud it flew, and proud of the men and women who flew it.
Exactly. And with the hefty complexity of the vast number of systems
involved increases the things that can go wrong.
Abso-fuckin-lutely!
And it's frustrating that one of the arguably simpler components, the solid
fuel boosters, were one of the first components to show their dark side.
Uggh. If ever one wanted to criticize NASA, the SRBs are one of the more
legitimate gripes.
They had problems with those bloody things from the moment they started
making test mockups. They had a working alternative, the ORIGINAL joint
designs for the damn things, but oh, that was too expensive.
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29 Jan 2006 08:37:17 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:35 -0600, Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Denis Loubet wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:8b4it1lkoe0b1i4ppj39q4cu5bmd1bfteo@4ax.com...
[]
Besides, a friend of mine worked on the shuttle simulators, and he
regularly
spoke with the shuttle engineers.
It's a deathtrap, like all rockets, with the added risk of an incredible
complex tile system failure.
That said, I'm proud it flew, and proud of the men and women who flew it.
Exactly. And with the hefty complexity of the vast number of systems
involved increases the things that can go wrong.
Abso-fuckin-lutely!
And it's frustrating that one of the arguably simpler components, the solid
fuel boosters, were one of the first components to show their dark side.
Uggh. If ever one wanted to criticize NASA, the SRBs are one of the more
legitimate gripes.
They had problems with those bloody things from the moment they started
making test mockups. They had a working alternative, the ORIGINAL joint
designs for the damn things, but oh, that was too expensive.
But the loss of a shuttle plus personnel isn't too expensive?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut |
29 Jan 2006 10:42:04 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:35 -0600, Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Denis Loubet wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:8b4it1lkoe0b1i4ppj39q4cu5bmd1bfteo@4ax.com...
[]
Besides, a friend of mine worked on the shuttle simulators, and he
regularly
spoke with the shuttle engineers.
It's a deathtrap, like all rockets, with the added risk of an incredible
complex tile system failure.
That said, I'm proud it flew, and proud of the men and women who flew it.
Exactly. And with the hefty complexity of the vast number of systems
involved increases the things that can go wrong.
Abso-fuckin-lutely!
And it's frustrating that one of the arguably simpler components, the solid
fuel boosters, were one of the first components to show their dark side.
Uggh. If ever one wanted to criticize NASA, the SRBs are one of the more
legitimate gripes.
They had problems with those bloody things from the moment they started
making test mockups. They had a working alternative, the ORIGINAL joint
designs for the damn things, but oh, that was too expensive.
But the loss of a shuttle plus personnel isn't too expensive?
Apparently not.
They even balked at redesigning the joints after the inner o-rings got
burned through a couple of times. The challenger accident was, sadly,
almost inevitable.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut |
30 Jan 2006 11:03:18 AM |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:42:04 -0600, Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:35 -0600, Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Denis Loubet wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:8b4it1lkoe0b1i4ppj39q4cu5bmd1bfteo@4ax.com...
Besides, a friend of mine worked on the shuttle simulators, and he
regularly
spoke with the shuttle engineers.
It's a deathtrap, like all rockets, with the added risk of an incredible
complex tile system failure.
That said, I'm proud it flew, and proud of the men and women who flew it.
Exactly. And with the hefty complexity of the vast number of systems
involved increases the things that can go wrong.
Abso-fuckin-lutely!
And it's frustrating that one of the arguably simpler components, the solid
fuel boosters, were one of the first components to show their dark side.
Uggh. If ever one wanted to criticize NASA, the SRBs are one of the more
legitimate gripes.
They had problems with those bloody things from the moment they started
making test mockups. They had a working alternative, the ORIGINAL joint
designs for the damn things, but oh, that was too expensive.
But the loss of a shuttle plus personnel isn't too expensive?
Apparently not.
I should have noted the question was rhetorical.
They even balked at redesigning the joints after the inner o-rings got
burned through a couple of times. The challenger accident was, sadly,
almost inevitable.
Don't forget Apollo 1. When I read what caused the inevitable result my
thought was; "And these guys call themselves engineers?" Such actions
wouldn't be surprising if it came from high school students.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: Shuttle a deathtrap, says astronaut |
30 Jan 2006 09:18:47 PM |
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stoney wrote:
But the loss of a shuttle plus personnel isn't too expensive?
Apparently not.
I should have noted the question was rhetorical.
I should have noted that, while I fully knew th question was rhetorical,
I decided to answer anyway.
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