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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Skypher"
Date: 07 Aug 2003 03:03:16 PM
Object: Shy girls/mind games
Here's something men may not know :
If a shy girl doesn't talk to you,it does not mean that she's stuck-up or
doesn't like you or is playing a game with you. She's too shy for head games.
Speaking from experience, it means she likes you, and the more she likes you,
the more she avoids you. It's not feminism or a head game. It's a personality
disorder. She'll talk about you behind your back to her friends, not to be
disrespectful, but because she cannot tell you to your face and wants badly for
someone else to know what she's thinking. But unfortunately sometimes her
friends will use her to play games
behind her back.
.

User: "August Pamplona"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 07 Aug 2003 08:24:04 PM
"Skypher" <skypher@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030807160316.06430.00000244@mb-m02.aol.com...

Here's something men may not know :

If a shy girl doesn't talk to you,it does not mean that she's stuck-up

or

doesn't like you or is playing a game with you. She's too shy for head

games.

Speaking from experience, it means she likes you, and the more she

likes you,

the more she avoids you. It's not feminism or a head game. It's a

personality

disorder. She'll talk about you behind your back to her friends, not

to be

disrespectful, but because she cannot tell you to your face and wants

badly for

someone else to know what she's thinking. But unfortunately sometimes

her

friends will use her to play games
behind her back.

Thank you Jennifer. Are you getting help? As long as it's not an
ignorant uneducated fundy nut who'll want to exorcise you or just tell
you to pray more, it can even be pastor, priest or rabbi (they'll
probably know enough to refer you to someone who can help you if, as
seeems to be the case, it's out of their scope).
And I'm serious. I'm not trying to pick on you.
August Pamplona
--
"No, jew. Your jew opinion doesn't matter no matter what, jew. Your
writings deserve no comprehension, merely scorn, jew. You are jew."
-Lysis on m.f.w.
a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut
To email replace 'necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale' with
'cosmicaug'
.

User: "georgann"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 14 Aug 2003 07:13:34 AM
"Skypher" wrote:

Here's something men may not know :
If a shy girl doesn't talk to you,it does not mean that she's stuck-up or
doesn't like you or is playing a game with you. She's too shy for head games.
Speaking from experience, it means she likes you, and the more she likes you,
the more she avoids you. It's not feminism or a head game. It's a personality
disorder. She'll talk about you behind your back to her friends, not to be
disrespectful, but because she cannot tell you to your face and wants badly
for someone else to know what she's thinking. But unfortunately sometimes her
friends will use her to play games behind her back.

georgann:
You evidently don't know about "passive aggressive" as the remarkably
successful manipulation technique of choice for some supposedly shy women do
you?
--
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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User: "The Great Hairy One the_great_hairy@yahoo yahoo! .com"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 16 Aug 2003 10:10:44 AM
John Hattan wrote:

[John grabs a bag of popcorn and sits back in anticipation of a good
loon-fight]

Hey, pass the bag over!
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User: "Skypher"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 14 Aug 2003 10:17:56 AM
georgann:
You evidently don't know about "passive aggressive" as the remarkably
successful manipulation technique of choice for some supposedly shy women do
you?
Skypher replies:
Passive-Aggressive personality disorder is not a technique anymore than manic
depression. Being shy is not the same as being passive-aggressive. Shy people
will do things a certain way because they have a fear of people.
Passive-aggressives do things a certain way because they want to cause pain.
They have bad intentions.
I'll give you an example:
Shy person : I love the shirt that Betty wore yesterday.
Passive-Aggressive: Yeah so did I. I don't like Betty, do you?
Shy person: Yeah I like her.
Passive-Aggressive: I heard she's *****
Shy person: I've never had any problems with her.
Passive-Aggressive: Hey Betty "shy person" just said you're a ***** and she
hates that shirt you wore yesterday.
Betty walks over and punches "shy person" in the face. Passive-aggressive
laughs.
.
User: "georgann"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 14 Aug 2003 07:01:26 PM

georgann:

You evidently don't know about "passive aggressive" as the remarkably
successful manipulation technique of choice for some supposedly shy women do
you?

"Skypher" wrote:

Passive-Aggressive personality disorder is not a technique anymore than manic
depression. Being shy is not the same as being passive-aggressive. Shy people
will do things a certain way because they have a fear of people.
Passive-aggressives do things a certain way because they want to cause pain.
They have bad intentions.

georgann wrote:
Well that pretty much sums up the difference in a person that believes they
are accountable for their actions and those who do not believe people are
accountable - if they have some supposed disorder. Real or imagined it
comes down to the same thing - others suffer.
Generally, passive aggressive persons will and do use everything available
to them via their carefully cultivated "disorder" to elicit the responses
they want from others. Whatever starts them on the course of this messy
trail is still their responsibility cause they can also chose to be healed
and or get help. Usually something as debilitating as Obsessive Compulsive
Disorder is treatable. So I'm not inclined to give a pass to passive
aggressives just because they may have a personality "disorder".
A personality disorder is not a license to behave badly towards others any
more than a pedophile is entitled to molest children because they just
"can't help it".
Actions have consequences and bad behavior, learned or otherwise, is still
bad behavior.
snip
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
.
User: "Skypher"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 14 Aug 2003 08:08:59 PM
georgann wrote:
Well that pretty much sums up the difference in a person that believes they
are accountable for their actions and those who do not believe people are
accountable - if they have some supposed disorder. Real or imagined it
comes down to the same thing - others suffer.
Generally, passive aggressive persons will and do use everything available
to them via their carefully cultivated "disorder" to elicit the responses
they want from others. Whatever starts them on the course of this messy
trail is still their responsibility cause they can also chose to be healed
and or get help. Usually something as debilitating as Obsessive Compulsive
Disorder is treatable. So I'm not inclined to give a pass to passive
aggressives just because they may have a personality "disorder".
A personality disorder is not a license to behave badly towards others any
more than a pedophile is entitled to molest children because they just
"can't help it".
Actions have consequences and bad behavior, learned or otherwise, is still
bad behavior.
Skypher replies :
I agree with most of what you said. I do believe people are accountable for
their actions. However, like dyslexia or any other kind of learning disability,
people with personality disorders have to be taught how to do things better.
And most of the time, kids who have these disorders go unnoticed and don't get
treatment. They grow up to be adults who behave that way and they don't even
realize what they're doing is wrong. Society accepts a lot of behavior that is
bad. It's considered "cool" or being tough or "being competitive".
I could have overcome my shyness as a kid had my parents worked with me on it.
I have to work hard at not being shy. That's my battle God gave me to fight.
Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. God didn't make me perfect. All I can do
is try.
.
User: "soCode"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 15 Aug 2003 02:05:22 AM
Skypher wrote:

I have to work hard at not being shy. That's my battle
God gave me to fight.

He's really concerned with the big issues, isn't he?
soCode
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 16 Aug 2003 08:52:34 PM
In article <20030816185304.02681.00000128@mb-m23.aol.com>, Skypher says...


Subject: Re: Shy girls/mind games
From: soCode


Date: 8/15/2003 12:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <bhi0n8$mkl$4@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>

Skypher wrote:

I have to work hard at not being shy. That's my battle
God gave me to fight.


He's really concerned with the big issues, isn't he?

soCode

Skypher replies:
Shyness can ruin your life if you don't fight it. That is a big issue.

Goodness knows it's much more important to help you get over your shyness than
to save a child who's dying from cancer.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 17 Aug 2003 08:31:21 PM
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:52:34 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:

In article <20030816185304.02681.00000128@mb-m23.aol.com>, Skypher says...


Subject: Re: Shy girls/mind games
From: soCode


Date: 8/15/2003 12:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id:
<bhi0n8$mkl$4@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>

Skypher wrote:

I have to work hard at not being shy. That's my battle
God gave me to fight.


He's really concerned with the big issues, isn't he?

soCode

Skypher replies:
Shyness can ruin your life if you don't fight it. That is a big issue.


Goodness knows it's much more important to help you get over your shyness
than to save a child who's dying from cancer.

Oh heavens yes. Nothing is more important than Skypher's shyness...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
.
User: "Skypher"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 18 Aug 2003 12:14:05 AM
It's a personal importance not a general one.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 20 Oct 2003 09:25:06 AM
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:14:05 +0000, Skypher wrote:

It's a personal importance not a general one.

So where do you get off thinking you're that important?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
.
User: "Skypher"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 18 Aug 2003 09:56:16 PM
If I am not important, you are not important.
.










User: "Mekkala"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 07 Aug 2003 03:32:33 PM
On 07 Aug 2003,
(Skypher) screwed up his face,
groaned,
pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:20030807160316.06430.00000244@mb-m02.aol.com:

Here's something men may not know :

If a shy girl doesn't talk to you,it does not mean that she's

stuck-up

or doesn't like you or is playing a game with you. She's too

shy for

head games. Speaking from experience, it means she likes you,

and the

more she likes you, the more she avoids you. It's not feminism

or a

head game. It's a personality disorder. She'll talk about you

behind

your back to her friends, not to be disrespectful, but because

she

cannot tell you to your face and wants badly for someone else

to know

what she's thinking. But unfortunately sometimes her friends

will use

her to play games behind her back.

Having started life as a shy male (I've mostly gotten over it,
fortunately) I am quite aware of this fact. It's the same with
shy guys as with shy girls. Thanks for pointing it out, though.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I
suddenly realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
.
User: "juliekale"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 07 Aug 2003 03:53:51 PM
"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93D09F56E8BD8Mekkala@199.45.49.11...

On 07 Aug 2003,

(Skypher) screwed up his face,
groaned,
pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:20030807160316.06430.00000244@mb-m02.aol.com:

Here's something men may not know :

If a shy girl doesn't talk to you,it does not mean that she's

stuck-up

or doesn't like you or is playing a game with you. She's too

shy for

head games. Speaking from experience, it means she likes you,

and the

more she likes you, the more she avoids you. It's not feminism

or a

head game. It's a personality disorder. She'll talk about you

behind

your back to her friends, not to be disrespectful, but because

she

cannot tell you to your face and wants badly for someone else

to know

what she's thinking. But unfortunately sometimes her friends

will use

her to play games behind her back.


Having started life as a shy male (I've mostly gotten over it,
fortunately) I am quite aware of this fact. It's the same with
shy guys as with shy girls. Thanks for pointing it out, though.

So...do shy guys like it when girls ask them out? Or does it scare them
away?
What's the proper way to approach somebody who's shy?
I ask because long, long ago, when I was studying at the esteemed community
college, there was this beautifuly shy creature that I simply adored. But I
being shy myself, never could muster up the courage to say anything. Ah,
what might have been....
--
Be as you are.
From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
www.juliekale.com
.
User: "juliekale"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 07 Aug 2003 09:25:42 PM
"August Pamplona" <necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale@mail.com> wrote in
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

Having started life as a shy male (I've mostly gotten over it,
fortunately) I am quite aware of this fact. It's the same with
shy guys as with shy girls. Thanks for pointing it out, though.


So...do shy guys like it when girls ask them out? Or does it scare

them

away?
What's the proper way to approach somebody who's shy?
I ask because long, long ago, when I was studying at the esteemed

community

college, there was this beautifuly shy creature that I simply adored.

But I

Let me put it this way, if you do nothing, you'll get nothing in
return. Yes, it's entirely possible that your approach will "scare" him
away. It is also almost certain, in the case of a really shy person,
that he's not going to ask you out... ever. On the other hand, it is
quite possible that he might simply be too stupid (socially speaking) to
know any better when it comes to his response to your approach. If this
is the case, realize it's probably not you. I imagine trying again with
different approaches (including being brutally direct, as Martin Crisp
suggests) might be an option. And, of course, I'm not in any way
suggesting that you should become a stalker or not take no for an
answer. I'm just saying that some (this would be me) are not always
going to know how to properly respond to hints which would be perfectly
well understood by someone who might be a little bit more extroverted.

Hmmm...well, I have just met a shy one a few weeks ago. We'll see what
happens. :)

being shy myself, never could muster up the courage to say anything.

Ah,

Ah, that changes everything. If both are very shy, then you're
fucked. I'm not saying that you won't be compatible or anything like
that (the opposite is probably the case). I'm just saying that
potentially you'll both be sitting, in absolute silence, looking at each
other averting gazes every time any of you gets even close to making eye
contact and end up doing nothing about it (which might be exactly what
happened).

YEAH that's what happened! LOL.
<snip>

To show you how pathetic I can be, how sometimes you just can't win
and how in that event, it's probably not your fault at all, I shall
quote myself from a post I made elsewhere:

-----------------------------------------------------
My first RPG was some sort of Star Trek based RPG during my first or
second year in college (a nearby community college that I attended for
two years). As I had no real concept of what a RPG is and since I hadn't
spent any real amount of time getting acquainted with what the rules are
like, I really didn't have any idea regarding what was actually going
on. This made for an excruciatingly boring experience.

As it turns out, the experience could have been much more
interesting because one of the game participants, who was sitting
directly opposite to me, was a gal who I happened to find attractive for
some reason (there was also another girl sitting far away who seemed to
derive a great deal of joy in proffering numerous obscenities --which is
charming in it's own way). I made a mental note of some odd body
language features about her (how she would stand up and jut out her
breasts in my general direction --though I probably just assumed she had
some sort of muscular imbalance or something). Eventually, during the
game, she started rubbing her foot against my legs*. Unfortunately, as I
had never been in such a social situation before, I had absolutely no
idea what the appropriate response was and thus a situation that
started out as excruciatingly boring but which should have become much,
much less boring (perhaps even interesting --regardless of my lack of
interest in the stupid role-playing game) instead remained
excruciatingly boring and even became highly stressful and anxiety
inducing (not to mention the fact that the aforementioned girl probably
must have thought, after this, that there was something seriously wrong
with me** --I suppose, in a very real sense, there is).

Heh! This particular individual used to say things to me in a really,
really, really low voice, and I'd always have to go "WHAT?" And with a
terminally shaky voice, he'd repeat himself just a little louder. Eventually
he worked up the courage to actually attempt conversation with me but he'd
never look in my eyes. I was too big a chicken to ask him or even suggest
that I might like him...cause believe it or not...I wasn't sure! LOL. But
looking back, it's very clear how shy he was.
He used to do some very strange things. Like if I was talking with another
student, he'd walk Right Behind Us, so he could hear my conversations. I
don't know how he figured I wouldn't notice, but it only happened when I was
with another person. Esp. with a man. Any other time, he'd keep his
distance.

After much meditation on the subject, years later I concluded that
the appropriate response would have been reciprocation (like, duuhhh!).
I also had the revelation, as of this very moment, that some other
sort of parallel silent acknowledgment of her attention might have been
in order as well (involving gaze, smiling and that sort of thing) but
that's only because I'm reading a book on the subject of non-verbal
communication.

Did she ever do anything like that?

* I suppose a possibility exists, which I'd much rather discard, that,
instead of belonging to the girl I found attractive, the foot actually
belonged to the very obese and very much male DM; but I didn't notice
him looking at me kind of funny (if anything, he should have been quite
busy with the whole doing the DM thing) so that was probably not the
case***.
** Or worse, thought that she did something wrong.
*** Then again, at this point I may not have been able to notice much
of anything. But, actually, if he was gay and secretly lusting for me,
it's news to me (I guess I'm just trying to be funny by considering the
posibility in these stupid notes --because there is a significant amount
of humor to be found in such a possibility).

I'd say sense you can't know for sure (cause you were too shy to check) just
assume to the good! :)
--
Be as you are.
From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
www.juliekale.com
.
User: "August Pamplona"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 07 Aug 2003 10:06:04 PM
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"August Pamplona" <necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale@mail.com>

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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

Having started life as a shy male (I've mostly gotten over it,
fortunately) I am quite aware of this fact. It's the same with
shy guys as with shy girls. Thanks for pointing it out, though.


So...do shy guys like it when girls ask them out? Or does it scare

them

away?
What's the proper way to approach somebody who's shy?
I ask because long, long ago, when I was studying at the esteemed

community

college, there was this beautifuly shy creature that I simply

adored.

But I

Let me put it this way, if you do nothing, you'll get nothing in
return. Yes, it's entirely possible that your approach will "scare"

him

away. It is also almost certain, in the case of a really shy person,
that he's not going to ask you out... ever. On the other hand, it is
quite possible that he might simply be too stupid (socially

speaking) to

know any better when it comes to his response to your approach. If

this

is the case, realize it's probably not you. I imagine trying again

with

different approaches (including being brutally direct, as Martin

Crisp

suggests) might be an option. And, of course, I'm not in any way
suggesting that you should become a stalker or not take no for an
answer. I'm just saying that some (this would be me) are not always
going to know how to properly respond to hints which would be

perfectly

well understood by someone who might be a little bit more

extroverted.


Hmmm...well, I have just met a shy one a few weeks ago. We'll see what
happens. :)

Good luck.


being shy myself, never could muster up the courage to say

anything.

Ah,

Ah, that changes everything. If both are very shy, then you're
fucked. I'm not saying that you won't be compatible or anything like
that (the opposite is probably the case). I'm just saying that
potentially you'll both be sitting, in absolute silence, looking at

each

other averting gazes every time any of you gets even close to making

eye

contact and end up doing nothing about it (which might be exactly

what

happened).


YEAH that's what happened! LOL.

It wasn't a hard guess.


<snip>

To show you how pathetic I can be, how sometimes you just can't

win

and how in that event, it's probably not your fault at all, I shall
quote myself from a post I made elsewhere:

-----------------------------------------------------
My first RPG was some sort of Star Trek based RPG during my

first or

second year in college (a nearby community college that I attended

for

two years). As I had no real concept of what a RPG is and since I

hadn't

spent any real amount of time getting acquainted with what the rules

are

like, I really didn't have any idea regarding what was actually

going

on. This made for an excruciatingly boring experience.

As it turns out, the experience could have been much more
interesting because one of the game participants, who was sitting
directly opposite to me, was a gal who I happened to find attractive

for

some reason (there was also another girl sitting far away who seemed

to

derive a great deal of joy in proffering numerous

obscenities --which is

charming in it's own way). I made a mental note of some odd body
language features about her (how she would stand up and jut out her
breasts in my general direction --though I probably just assumed she

had

some sort of muscular imbalance or something). Eventually, during

the

game, she started rubbing her foot against my legs*. Unfortunately,

as I

had never been in such a social situation before, I had absolutely

no

idea what the appropriate response was and thus a situation that
started out as excruciatingly boring but which should have become

much,

much less boring (perhaps even interesting --regardless of my lack

of

interest in the stupid role-playing game) instead remained
excruciatingly boring and even became highly stressful and anxiety
inducing (not to mention the fact that the aforementioned girl

probably

must have thought, after this, that there was something seriously

wrong

with me** --I suppose, in a very real sense, there is).


Heh! This particular individual used to say things to me in a really,
really, really low voice, and I'd always have to go "WHAT?" And with a
terminally shaky voice, he'd repeat himself just a little louder.

Eventually

he worked up the courage to actually attempt conversation with me but

he'd

never look in my eyes. I was too big a chicken to ask him or even

suggest

that I might like him...cause believe it or not...I wasn't sure! LOL.

But

looking back, it's very clear how shy he was.
He used to do some very strange things. Like if I was talking with

another

student, he'd walk Right Behind Us, so he could hear my conversations.

I

don't know how he figured I wouldn't notice, but it only happened when

I was

with another person. Esp. with a man. Any other time, he'd keep his
distance.

Probably just some attraction vs. distancing kind of interation
going on. Part of him probably wanted to be in close physical proximity
to you (if nothing else, simply because he was interested) and part of
him is afraid of overstepping personal boundaries. The two tendencies
kind of fight it out and an equilibrium point is reached which in his
case would have been rather far away. Introducing a third person into
the mix somehow changes the dynamics (maybe because it feels like more
of a crowd situation, maybe something else, I'm not really sure).


After much meditation on the subject, years later I concluded

that

the appropriate response would have been reciprocation (like,

duuhhh!).

I also had the revelation, as of this very moment, that some other
sort of parallel silent acknowledgment of her attention might have

been

in order as well (involving gaze, smiling and that sort of thing)

but

that's only because I'm reading a book on the subject of non-verbal
communication.


Did she ever do anything like that?

I suppose she must have. I am recalling this from long ago so I
couldn't tell you. Also it might take more perceptiveness than what I
possessed (possess?).


* I suppose a possibility exists, which I'd much rather discard,

that,

instead of belonging to the girl I found attractive, the foot

actually

belonged to the very obese and very much male DM; but I didn't

notice

him looking at me kind of funny (if anything, he should have been

quite

busy with the whole doing the DM thing) so that was probably not the
case***.
** Or worse, thought that she did something wrong.
*** Then again, at this point I may not have been able to notice

much

of anything. But, actually, if he was gay and secretly lusting for

me,

it's news to me (I guess I'm just trying to be funny by considering

the

posibility in these stupid notes --because there is a significant

amount

of humor to be found in such a possibility).


I'd say sense you can't know for sure (cause you were too shy to

check) just

assume to the good! :)

It's always possible. Probably unlikely, but like you write, I'll
probably never know (I suppose, in theory, I could just ask but I don't
even remember most of the names of the people there).

--
Be as you are.

I can be no other way.


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User: "juliekale"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 09 Aug 2003 12:43:52 AM
"August Pamplona" <necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale@mail.com> wrote in
message news:wsEYa.753$Nf3.264@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...

"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"August Pamplona" <necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale@mail.com>

<snip>


Hmmm...well, I have just met a shy one a few weeks ago. We'll see what
happens. :)


Good luck.

Thank you. :)

Ah, that changes everything. If both are very shy, then you're
fucked. I'm not saying that you won't be compatible or anything like
that (the opposite is probably the case). I'm just saying that
potentially you'll both be sitting, in absolute silence, looking at

each

other averting gazes every time any of you gets even close to making

eye

contact and end up doing nothing about it (which might be exactly

what

happened).


YEAH that's what happened! LOL.


It wasn't a hard guess.

We were both very shy kids. We'd talk to everybody in the room but each
other.

Probably just some attraction vs. distancing kind of interation
going on. Part of him probably wanted to be in close physical proximity
to you (if nothing else, simply because he was interested) and part of
him is afraid of overstepping personal boundaries. The two tendencies
kind of fight it out and an equilibrium point is reached which in his
case would have been rather far away. Introducing a third person into
the mix somehow changes the dynamics (maybe because it feels like more
of a crowd situation, maybe something else, I'm not really sure).

Hard to say. But I'll tell you this, I would always catch him staring at me.
And I know this embarassed him, (of course he always looked away), and then
two mintues later I'd catch him again.
One time I caught him adjusting his...uh...self...after one such staring
session, so I'm pretty sure there was nothing negative going on there.

After much meditation on the subject, years later I concluded

that

the appropriate response would have been reciprocation (like,

duuhhh!).

I also had the revelation, as of this very moment, that some other
sort of parallel silent acknowledgment of her attention might have

been

in order as well (involving gaze, smiling and that sort of thing)

but

that's only because I'm reading a book on the subject of non-verbal
communication.


Did she ever do anything like that?


I suppose she must have. I am recalling this from long ago so I
couldn't tell you. Also it might take more perceptiveness than what I
possessed (possess?).

I guess it would be hard to say if you really didn't know what to look for
at the time.

I'd say sense you can't know for sure (cause you were too shy to

check) just

assume to the good! :)


It's always possible. Probably unlikely, but like you write, I'll
probably never know (I suppose, in theory, I could just ask but I don't
even remember most of the names of the people there).

What I mean is, if you aren't sure, why can it hurt to remember to the good?
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User: "Skypher"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 08 Aug 2003 07:51:51 PM
Julie Kale wrote:
So...do shy guys like it when girls ask them out? Or does it scare them
away?
What's the proper way to approach somebody who's shy?
I ask because long, long ago, when I was studying at the esteemed community
college, there was this beautifuly shy creature that I simply adored. But I
being shy myself, never could muster up the courage to say anything. Ah,
what might have been....
skypher replies:
Have a friend go tell them or write them a note.
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User: "juliekale"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 09 Aug 2003 12:29:37 AM
"Skypher" <skypher@aol.com> wrote in message
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Julie Kale wrote:
So...do shy guys like it when girls ask them out? Or does it scare them
away?
What's the proper way to approach somebody who's shy?
I ask because long, long ago, when I was studying at the esteemed

community

college, there was this beautifuly shy creature that I simply adored. But

I

being shy myself, never could muster up the courage to say anything. Ah,
what might have been....

skypher replies:
Have a friend go tell them or write them a note.

Don't you think that's like being in highschool?
Nah...I just can't envision grown people doing that. But then...you never
know.
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User: "Skypher"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 09 Aug 2003 08:43:35 AM
JulieKale wrote:
Don't you think that's like being in highschool?
Nah...I
Skypher:
Yeah it is but if you really like the person and seriously cannot tell
them...you might find yourself resorting to childish tactics.
I like the anonymous note....someone has a crush on you...type of thing.
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User: "Martin Crisp"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 07 Aug 2003 04:01:35 PM
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 6:53:51 +1000, juliekale wrote
(in message <z%yYa.19459$K4.1104627@twister.tampabay.rr.com>):
[...]

Having started life as a shy male (I've mostly gotten over it,
fortunately) I am quite aware of this fact. It's the same with
shy guys as with shy girls. Thanks for pointing it out, though.


So...do shy guys like it when girls ask them out? Or does it
scare them away?

False dichotomy :-)

What's the proper way to approach somebody who's shy?

"Are you interested in a relationship, or a deep and meaningful
one-night-stand?" sort-of worked, for my wife.
[We eventually settled on the one-night-stand, a little over 15
years ago]

I ask because long, long ago, when I was studying at the
esteemed community college, there was this beautifuly shy
creature that I simply adored. But I being shy myself, never
could muster up the courage to say anything. Ah, what might have
been....

Have Fun
Martin
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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 07 Aug 2003 10:29:57 PM
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:53:51 GMT, "juliekale"
<me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> posted in alt.atheism:

So...do shy guys like it when girls ask them out? Or does it scare them
away?

Yes.
(Not being a smartass - it depends on the guy.)

What's the proper way to approach somebody who's shy?

The same way you approach someone who isn't. Nicely.

I ask because long, long ago, when I was studying at the esteemed community
college, there was this beautifuly shy creature that I simply adored. But I
being shy myself, never could muster up the courage to say anything. Ah,
what might have been....

If you ask him and he rejects you, you end up with nothing. If you
don't ask, you end up with ...?
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other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
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User: "juliekale"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 09 Aug 2003 12:44:54 AM
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:53:51 GMT, "juliekale"
<me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> posted in alt.atheism:

So...do shy guys like it when girls ask them out? Or does it scare them
away?


Yes.

(Not being a smartass - it depends on the guy.)

What's the proper way to approach somebody who's shy?


The same way you approach someone who isn't. Nicely.

You know what I mean. :)

I ask because long, long ago, when I was studying at the esteemed

community

college, there was this beautifuly shy creature that I simply adored. But

I

being shy myself, never could muster up the courage to say anything. Ah,
what might have been....


If you ask him and he rejects you, you end up with nothing. If you
don't ask, you end up with ...?

Right. But shy people by default are scared of things being worse than they
are.
The mentality is that I guess it's better to be unsure than to know for sure
that they aren't into you like you hoped they'd be.
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User: "juliekale"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 10 Aug 2003 12:05:34 AM
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 05:44:54 GMT, "juliekale"
<me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> posted in alt.atheism:

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:53:51 GMT, "juliekale"
<me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> posted in alt.atheism:


being shy myself, never could muster up the courage to say anything.

Ah,

what might have been....


If you ask him and he rejects you, you end up with nothing. If you
don't ask, you end up with ...?


Right. But shy people by default are scared of things being worse than

they

are.


You're talking to someone who was so shy it hurt other people to watch
me in inaction, Julie.

"Inaction"? DAMN....
<smile> Glad you grew out of it. :)

The mentality is that I guess it's better to be unsure than to know for

sure

that they aren't into you like you hoped they'd be.


I think it's more the terror that gets worse the closer you get to
actually doing something. Once you get past that one time, you never
worry about it again.

That's a good point. Like, the closer you get the more risk is involved.
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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 11 Aug 2003 08:30:50 PM
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:00:30 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:

There are many things I'd rather face...compared to asking someone out,
dental work is almost pleasant. I'm just too good at imagining all the
worst possible scenarios :/

The worst possible scenario is that she laughs in your face and tells
all her friends.
Trust me, you still live after that happens. And, if you're lucky,
one of her friends has a working brain.
--
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User: "Mekkala"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 13 Aug 2003 01:46:04 PM
On 11 Aug 2003, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:6oggjvcf97n5l2ksk5o6rdrehhkknmmu80@Pern.rk:

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:00:30 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:

There are many things I'd rather face...compared to asking someone

out,

dental work is almost pleasant. I'm just too good at imagining all the
worst possible scenarios :/


The worst possible scenario is that she laughs in your face and tells
all her friends.

Yes. That, really, is what I think most shy people fear. That is what
I was always afraid of. My take on it now is, well, if I ask someone
out and they do that, it's just proof positive that they weren't worth
the effort to begin with, and who gives a flying ***** what she and her
friends think? Also, I've found that it's only a few very immature
people who will actually do that. Most people are nice about it even if
they turn you down -- although it does tend to get awkward sometimes if
you tell a friend you're attracted to them and they turn you down,
because then you're still usually spending time with them as a friend
and it's hard to ignore the fact that one of you would like to be with
the other, but not the other way around.
Another way of looking at it is this: There are 7 billion people in the
world. Some of those 7 billion people won't like who you are or will be
assholes -- big deal. You'd have to be a pretty boring person to find
no friends/boyfriend/girlfriend whatsoever out of 7 billion
possibilities.

Trust me, you still live after that happens. And, if you're lucky,
one of her friends has a working brain.

--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 13 Aug 2003 09:42:21 PM
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:23:58 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:

I've yet to date a woman with a working brain.

I got married in 1964. Except for a brief period of widowhood, I've
been married ever since. And, since then (actually since a few years
before then), I've never dated (or been married to) a woman who didn't
have a working brain. It's a matter of what you'll accept.
--
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User: "Dr. Smartass"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 14 Aug 2003 07:20:34 PM
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:23:58 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:

I've yet to date a woman with a working brain.


I got married in 1964. Except for a brief period of widowhood, I've
been married ever since. And, since then (actually since a few years
before then), I've never dated (or been married to) a woman who didn't
have a working brain. It's a matter of what you'll accept.

*nod* Maybe it's a geographical thing, but there don't seem to be any
suitable women in Pensacola. BUT...the ones I've dated were all in
Tallahassee.
Ech.
I'll have to try a different town ;)
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them."
--Rush, "The Weapon"
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User: "Dr. Smartass"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 14 Aug 2003 09:50:18 PM
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:20:34 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> in news message
<Xns93D7C6B1F2DB2askifyouwantit@65.82.44.187> wrote:

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:fktljvg6n91c1vlqosnarlqb33pnqc9emh@Pern.rk:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:23:58 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:

I've yet to date a woman with a working brain.


Women with working brains are available. You probably just haven't
been at the right place and the right time. :(

_THAT_ is the problem I have, more than anything else.
I suppose I could go to church *snicker*

I got married in 1964. Except for a brief period of widowhood, I've
been married ever since. And, since then (actually since a few years
before then), I've never dated (or been married to) a woman who didn't
have a working brain. It's a matter of what you'll accept.


*nod* Maybe it's a geographical thing, but there don't seem to be any
suitable women in Pensacola. BUT...the ones I've dated were all in
Tallahassee.

Ech.


I hate that my initials make a disgusting sound.

I'll try not to use it here, then *g*
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them."
--Rush, "The Weapon"
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User: "Liz"

Title: Re: Shy girls/mind games 15 Aug 2003 05:36:05 AM
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:50:18 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> in news message
<Xns93D7E01487984askifyouwantit@65.82.44.187> wrote:

Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in
news:njhojvc8ma5a4ml7rcprrpqhrmmgqt3dif@4ax.com:

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:20:34 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> in news message
<Xns93D7C6B1F2DB2askifyouwantit@65.82.44.187> wrote:

[-----]


I've yet to date a woman with a working brain.


Women with working brains are available. You probably just haven't
been at the right place and the right time. :(


_THAT_ is the problem I have, more than anything else.

I suppose I could go to church *snicker*

Let's hope you don't get *that* desperate.

Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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