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#Sicko Propaganda |
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Michael Moore claims that Cuba's Stalinist regime played it as
straight with him during the filming of Sicko, his new documentary, as
he plays it with its viewers. "I asked them to give us [the 9/11
workers featured in the documentary] the same care they give their own
Cuban citizens," he assured us. "No more, no less. And that's what
they did."
You cringe at having to contest this in full public view. Does anyone
with a fully-functioning brain actually believe it? Will I insult
America's intelligence by pointing out something so appallingly
obvious as the absurdity of Moore's claim? You would like to think
the forthcoming refutation by Dr Julio Alfonso, a Cuban Doctor who
defected in 1999, is too obvious to require publication and
circulation. But sadly, history shows that Castro's propaganda (as
disseminated by his agents, both on the payroll and off) has an odd--
if mercifully temporary-- effect on cerebrums that otherwise function
normally, even exceptionally. This effect is similar to the one sugar
in the gas tank has on an automobile engine.
As a recent and tragic example of this phenomenon, recall that in
April of 2000, after a Dan Rather 60 Minutes interview with Elian
Gonzalez's father, polls showed that 70 percent of Americans firmly
believed that this father -- a subject of a Stalinist regime who was
surrounded by Castro plainclothes police while in the very CBS studio
-- was acting completely free from coercion.
So let's go ahead and allow Dr. Julio Cesar Alfonso, who worked within
Cuba's health-care system for years, to remind America of something
that should be blatantly obvious: "The treatment Moore and the rescue
workers receive in the film was done specifically for them, because
the regime knew it would make great propaganda."
Dr Alfonso had barely finished his interview with the Miami Herald
when something titled "Havana Hospital" launched a website. "After
being featured in the Cannes Film Festival-honored film SICKO, we are
now open for Medical Tourism to Cuba," says the banner. "We welcome
you with peace and goodwill without any concern towards politics or
propaganda. We are very good surgeons ready to help." Among the
featured bargains are: "Breast augmentation/ implants for only $1,500
(through the belly button procedure.)"
99 percent of Cubans have no more experience with a hospital like the
one featured in Sicko than Michael Moore has with a Soloflex. Most
Cubans view a hospital like the one featured in Sicko the way teen-
age boys used to view Playboy magazine: "If only!" For an accurate
picture of what the average Cuban undergoes in healthcare, please
visit the harrowing pictures smuggled out of Cuba (at enormous peril)
and posted on TheRealCuba.com. If a picture is normally worth a
thousand worth then these are worth a million.
In Sicko, Moore parrots the Castroite claim that Cubans live longer
than Americans. In fact, the figures are practically identical, which
actually casts Cuba's vaunted health care in a negative light. In all
nations with high emigration rates longevity rates skew high. This
occurs because the birth is recorded but the death gets recorded in
the nation migrated to. So it seems like fewer people die. Naturally,
the opposite effect appears in nations with a large influx of
immigrants. The death is recorded but the birth was recorded in the
nation immigrated from. So, generally speaking, a nation with high
longevity but known to hemorrhage its people has little to boast about
with regards to longevity figures. All they're proving is that theirs
is a miserable place to live from which massive numbers of people
flee.
And few nations hemorrhage people like Cuba. Almost 20 percent of its
population since the glorious revolution. This 20 percent of Cuba's
population, let's not forget, represents those who got out with the
clothes on their back and against enormous odds. Had Cuba followed
the norms of all civilized nations in allowing free emigration with
family, property, etc. (as in pre-Castro Cuba, when almost nobody
left), Cuba today (statistically speaking) would boast the highest
longevity rates in the annals of man's history.
As eagerly expected by Michael Moore's Cuban case officers, Sicko's
screening was the signal for their other propaganda assets to chime
in. "Cuba has developed the world's first Meningitis B vaccine which
is available in Third World countries but not in Europe or in the
United States due to U.S. sanctions," reported Anthony Boadle from
Reuters' Havana bureau last week. Of this 27 word sentence, by a news
agency considered authoritative worldwide, exactly 14 words are true.
This vaccine is not available in the U.S. and Europe -- but hardly
because of "sanctions." In fact, in 1999, Bill Clinton's Treasury
Department granted the pharmaceutical giant SmithKline Beecham a
license to market the Cuban vaccine in a joint venture with Castro's
medical ministry -- pending FDA approval.
And why not? Castro's minister of public health, Carlos Dotres, had
hailed the vaccine as "the only effective one in the world!" Highly
impressed, Bill Clinton's FDA chief Dr. Carl Frasch said it could
annually prevent "1000-2000 cases" of the dread disease in the U.S.
110 U.S. Congressmen promptly signed a special letter to Secretary of
State Madeline Albright beseeching her to allow this breach of the
diabolical embargo, if only to protect the lives of America's
children!
That was eight years ago. The reason the vaccine is not available
today in the U.S. and Europe is simply that, like so many other
Castroite concoctions and proclamations dutifully trumpeted by news
agencies who earn Havana bureaus, the vaccine is a farce and its sale
a swindle. And, at least in this case, most civilized countries refuse
to help propagate the swindle on their citizens.
Some Third World countries discovered the swindle the hard way.
"Brazil has wasted $300 million on a Cuban vaccine that is completely
ineffective," wrote Dr. Isa=EDas Raw, director of Sao Paolo's
prestigious Butantan Institue specializing in Biotechnology. A study
by Brazil's Centro de Vigilancia Epidemiol=F3gica (Center for
Epidemiological Research) from 1999 seconded Dr Raw: "The studies
conducted on the use of the Cuban vaccine in children under 4 years old
-the major risk group for hepatitis B-showed no evidence that the
vaccine protected them against the disease. This vaccine should not be
recommended."
All current medical literature flatly asserts that despite countless
attempts, "no effective vaccine against the Meningitis B has yet been
developed." The pharmaceutical giant Novartis is currently testing
one and claims to be close to its development.
Sadly for Castro, the medical establishment abounds with men and
women who stubbornly cling to their professional ethics. Enlisting
their full cooperation presents challenges much more daunting than
enlisting the cooperation of sympathetic news agencies and a portly
filmmaker obsessed with vilifying his country.
A few years back Castro, launched his "Doctor Diplomacy" wherein he
started sending Cuban "doctors" to heathen lands (though their spouses
and children were held hostage in Cuba) to heal the sick and raise the
dead. This was coupled with "free" treatment of poor foreigners from
the Carribbean and Latin American nations in Cuban hospitals. The
scheme has gotten no end of gushy reviews in the major media.
Some less prominent reviews might add perspective. Especially as these
report much closer-range observations of the scheme along with follow-
ups. Here's one from the newspaper The Jamaican Gleaner titled, "Eye
Surgery Hopes Dashed; Patients Suffer Complications," which notes:
"The survey included 200 patients (Jamaicans who traveled to Cuba for
eye surgery) and of that group, 49 patients - nearly a quarter -
experienced post surgery complications. According to Dr. Albert Lue,
Head of Ophthalmology in Jamaica's Kingston Public Hospital, the
complications causing the patients impaired vision was corneal damage
and damage to the iris due to poor surgical technique." "Since I come
back, from Cuba," said George Foster, a 70-year-old Jamaican
participant in the Cuban "Miracle Operation," "I can see from the
right eye but I can't see from the left."
Brazil also got a birds-eye view of Cuba's vaunted "Doctor
Diplomacy." "96 Cuban Doctors Expelled from Brazil" starts the April,
2005 story from Agence France-Presse. "Federal judge Marcelo Bernal
ruled in favor of a demand by the Brazilian state of Tocantins'
Consejo Regional de Medicina (Regional Council on Medicine) that Cuban
doctors be prohibited from practicing in their state." Based on the
results they'd achieved with Tocantins' residents, the judge referred
to the Cuban doctors as Witch Doctors and Shamans. We cannot accept
doctors who have not proven that they are doctors."
According to a report by the Association of American Physicians and
Surgeons, over 75 per cent of "doctors" with Cuban "medical degrees"
flunk the exam given by the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical
Graduates for licensing in the U.S. This exam is considered a cakewalk
even by the graduates of Mexico's Tec de Monterrey School of Medicine.
Most Cuba-certified doctors even flunk the Educational Commission for
Foreign Medical Graduates' exam for certification as "Physician
Assistants," making them unfit in the U.S. even as nurses.
None of this is meant to disparage these hapless men and women who
were simply cursed by fate to be born under a Stalinist tyranny, nor
those who took it upon themselves to overcome that curse and who today
enjoy the blessings of liberty while employed in other fields. I'm
simply disclosing some facts Michael Moore's Cuban case officers are
desperate to hide. Here are a few more:
According to the same report by the Association of American Physicians
and Surgeons, the mortality rate of Cuban children aged 1 to 4 is 34
percent higher than the U.S. (11.8 versus 8.8 per 1000). But these
don't figure into U.N. and World Health Organization spotlighted
"infant-mortality rates." So apparently the pressure (so far) is not
on Cuban doctors to fudge these figures.
In April 2001, Dr. Juan Felipe Garc=EDa MD of Jacksonville, Florida,
interviewed several recent doctor defectors from Cuba. Based on what
he heard, he reported the following: "The official Cuban infant-
mortality figure is a farce. Cuban pediatricians constantly falsify
figures for the regime. If an infant dies during its first year the
doctors often reports he was older. Otherwise such lapses could cost
him severe penalties and his job."
Cuba's infant mortality rate, though it plunged from 13th lowest in
the world pre-Castro to 40th today -- is also kept artificially low by
an abortion rate of 0 .71 per live birth, the Hemisphere's highest by
far which "terminates" any pregnancy that even hints at trouble.
More tragic still, the maternal mortality rate in Cuba is almost four
times that of the U.S. rate (33 versus 8.4 per 1000). Peculiar how so
many mothers die during childbirth in Cuba. And how many 1-4 year olds
perish, while from birth to one years old (the period during which
they qualify in U.N. statistics as infants) they're perfectly
healthy.
At the very least, such statistics should lead people to question
Cuba's official infant-mortality figures. They may not make for a
flattering portrait of Cuba, but unlike Michael Moore's documentary,
they have the virtue of being true.
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24 Jul 2007 07:18:09 PM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Sicko Propaganda
Sicko's Success
In the wake of Sicko's box office success, Congress is debating the largest
expansion of guaranteed health care coverage in over 40 years.1 This is our
chance to make progress on health care.
Democratic leaders want to offer free health care to millions of uninsured
children. Who could be against that? But President Bush is afraid insuring
kids is a slippery slope-opening the door to affordable health care for
everyone. How terrible.
Bush is threatening to veto if the bill passes, but some Republican senators
are ignoring him in favor of insuring kids. We still don't have enough votes
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After you sign, please forward this email to friends with kids-and any email
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For the last decade, a public program called the State Children's Health
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kids. Congress must renew the program by September or it will disappear.
But Democratic leaders are fighting to do even better-expanding the program
to include millions of children still not covered. "There are more kids
without health insurance than there are kids in the first and second
grades," said the Democratic senator in charge of the bill.2
They'll pay for it by cracking down on for-profit health insurance companies
who are ripping off the current system or taxing tobacco.
This bill won't bring us affordable health care for everyone, but it's a
step in the right direction. Just look at why President Bush is so worried:
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2007
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| User: "El Kabong" |
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24 Jul 2007 08:32:57 PM |
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Authors of study didn't reveal they were paid by drug companies
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070724/ap_on_he_me/journal_conflicts_4;_ylt=AoCXZBarxdctfn2u5b7zJPsE1vAI
LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer Tue Jul 24, 6:00 PM ET
CHICAGO - A new study showing that padded hip protectors didn't prevent
fractures in the elderly has renewed questions about hidden drug industry
ties to medical research.
Three of the authors of the study on bone breaks didn't tell editors of an
influential medical journal, which is publishing their research Wednesday,
that they had consulted for or received research money from the makers of
bone-strengthening drugs. That potential conflict was discovered by The
Associated Press.
Editors of the Journal of the American Medical Association ? which has tough
rules on financial disclosure ? had asked the authors about any conflicts
and were told there were none. The researchers said later they didn't
believe their industry connections were relevant because the study of hip
fractures didn't involve bone drugs and didn't recommend them.
The editor of JAMA agrees. Dr. Catherine DeAngelis said that in this case,
the drug company connections didn't violate the journal's detailed financial
disclosure policy.
DeAngelis said she believes her journal is being unfairly scrutinized by The
AP, which found the researchers' ties to drug companies through searches on
the Internet and through a consumer database.
"This has nothing to do with drugs," she said. "At what point do you say,
come on, is this a witch hunt?"
Undisclosed corporate ties by scientists affect other journals, too. Yet
editors of JAMA essentially made the journal a lightning rod for the issue
last year when they toughened their financial disclosure for authors and
announced the changes in an editorial.
A close reading of JAMA's guidelines suggests the fracture study authors'
ties to drug makers are "clearly relevant," said Dr. Michael Callaham,
president of the World Association of Medical Editors. "It's a slam dunk,"
he said.
A consumer advocate with the Center for Science in the Public Interest
agrees. Readers could easily interpret the study to say that since hip
protectors don't work, "I guess I better take the drugs," even if that's not
what the authors intended, said Merrill Goozner. The consumer advocacy group
runs a database on scientists' financial ties, an effort to combat corporate
influence on science.
In this case, reporting such ties "seems to me to be a no-brainer," Goozner
said.
There is strong evidence that studies funded by industry or done by
researchers with industry ties are more likely to have results favoring
corporate interests.
Disclosing those ties enables readers to better judge a study's credibility.
While many journals have added or improved disclosure policies, standards
vary widely. There's no consensus on what constitutes relevant financial
interests.
The hip protector study "is a nice illustration of how complicated it can
be," Callaham said. "It's a huge problem and I think we haven't gotten very
far in addressing it."
Callaham said there's a move toward more uniform standards, but with
thousands of medical journals worldwide, it's a challenging task.
JAMA announced its tightened disclosure policies in July 2006 after twice in
two months, researchers failed to report financial ties to industry.
Days later, The Associated Press discovered another breach in which authors
of a JAMA study linking severe migraines with heart attacks in women failed
to disclose ties to makers of drugs for migraines or heart-related problems.
That led to a published correction and explanation from the authors who
didn't think their ties were relevant.
C.K. Gunsalus, special counsel at University of Illinois and an expert on
ethics and integrity in research, said failure to disclose often is an
innocent mistake.
"People say, 'I know my heart is pure,'" she said. "You minimize your own
conflicts."
Still, the onus to disclose ties is on the researcher, she said, and it
would be difficult for journals to crack down by investigating every author
who submits a study manuscript.
In the latest case, the new study involved 1,042 nursing home residents who
were assigned to wear a cushiony pad on only one hip. Results over several
months showed just as many fractures on the padded hip as on the unprotected
side.
The hip pad in the study is no longer on the market, but lead author Dr.
Douglas Kiel, a Harvard Medical School researcher, said the results probably
would be similar for other "energy absorbing" cushion-like pads still being
sold.
Previous studies on hip protectors and fractures have produced conflicting
results.
A JAMA editorial called the new study's results inconclusive. Hip protectors
are designed to be worn on both hips; wearing it on only one side might
increase chances of a dangerous fall onto the protected hip, the editorial
said.
Kiel said the study was broadened to examine an improved pad and that
results are due soon.
He said bone-building drugs could be one of several options to hip
protectors for older patients, but that they are not ideal for nursing home
residents because they take a year or more to work and these patients often
are already taking many other drugs. But he also said the drug company money
he and his colleagues have received is not relevant to the current study
because it wasn't a comparison of both treatments.
"We have no financial disclosures with hip protectors," Kiel said. "We were
asked repeatedly by the editors whether we were following JAMA's full
disclosures and we said yes."
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24 Jul 2007 08:04:53 PM |
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U.S. medical students graduate debt-free in Cuba
HAVANA (Reuters) - Eight Americans graduated on Tuesday from a Cuban medical
school after six years of studies fully funded by Fidel Castro's government.
They plan to return home, take board exams for licenses to practice and
provide cheap health care in poor neighborhoods.
"Cuba offered us full scholarships to study medicine here. In exchange, we
commit ourselves to go back to our communities to provide health care to
underserved people," said Carmen Landau, 30, of Oakland, California.
The program is part of Castro's pet project to send thousands of Cuban
doctors abroad to tend to the poor in developing countries, such as
Venezuela and Bolivia, and train tens of thousand of medical students from
developing countries in Cuba.
Officials in Cuba's communist government relish the idea of training doctors
for the United States, its arch-enemy since Castro took power in a leftist
revolution in 1959.
The ailing Cuban leader, 80, did not attend the graduation for 850 students
from 25 countries at Havana's Karl Marx theater. He has not appeared in
public since intestinal surgery forced him to hand over power to his brother
Raul Castro a year ago.
There are 88 Americans studying medicine in Cuba. The first to graduate two
years ago was Cedric Edwards, who is now working at Montefiore Hospital in
New York City's Bronx borough.
The U.S. students praised Cuba's universal, free health-care system, which
is community based and focuses on preventing illness before it becomes more
serious and costly, in contrast to the U.S. health industry indicted for
being profit-based in Michael Moore's recent film "SiCKO."
"We have studied medicine with a humanitarian approach," said Kenya Bingham,
29, of Alameda, California.
"Health care is not seen as a business in Cuba. When you are sick, they are
not going to try to charge you or turn you away if you don't have
insurance," she said.
The main difference in studying in Cuba was that there was no charge and the
graduates can begin their practice debt-free, said Jose De Leon, 27, from
Oakland.
"When medical doctors graduate in the United States they are usually in
debt, between $250,000 to $500,000, and spend the first 10 years of their
careers paying it off," he said.
That, Landau said, requires rushing patients in and out to earn more.
"'SiCKO' was an inspiration," said Landau, who plans to return to the United
States to help promote the creation of a universal health-care system.
"It is a wonderful idea that makes total sense in every country, especially
in one with so many resources. If they can do it in Cuba, we can do it in
the United States," she said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070725/hl_nm/cuba_usa_doctors_dc_2;_ylt=AiGgOGX_6WCOb8sCT4XA664E1vAI
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25 Jul 2007 05:28:50 AM |
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On Jul 24, 9:04 pm, "El Kabong" <medii45...@mypacks.net> wrote:
U.S. medical students graduate debt-free in Cuba
Here's the skinny on the REAL Cuban health care, Mr. Owings:
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
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25 Jul 2007 12:12:49 PM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 24, 9:04 pm, "El Kabong" <medii45...@mypacks.net> wrote:
U.S. medical students graduate debt-free in Cuba
Here's the skinny on the REAL Cuban health care, Mr. Owings:
http://www.therealccuba.com/Page10.htm
Directly from the office of KKKarl Rove.
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07 Aug 2007 08:28:37 PM |
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On Jul 24, 6:04 pm, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
SickoPropaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
A truly great documentary! But I was disappointed that he completely
ignored the first National Health insurane Plan, Germany's
Krankenversicherungsgesetz [Sickness Insurance Act] which was passed
in 1883!
By the way, I understand that a National Health Insurance Plan was
part of the platform of the National Progressive (Bull Moose) Party in
1912, and that it was also proposed by Harry Truman in 1948.
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24 Jul 2007 10:57:24 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
A fact recognized by everyone in the political arena on all sides.
What's your point, Knickerless?
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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24 Jul 2007 11:06:31 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
A fact recognized by everyone in the political arena on all sides.
What's your point, Knickerless?
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Behind the White House's Billion-Dollar Propaganda Push
By Michelle Chen, The NewStandard. Posted February 18, 2006.
In two years, the Bush administration spent $1.6 billion to paint a prettier
picture of its failing policies, even as it cut away the social safety net.
The public-relations gloss that has long wrapped the Bush administration is
fast becoming a blemish on the White House, according to lawmakers who have
uncovered some $1.6 billion in federal funds spent on promoting various
administration-sponsored programs.
A new report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO), Congress's
research and auditing body, tracks more than 340 contracts negotiated
between several government departments and PR, advertising and media firms
from 2003 through the first part of 2005.
The study, requested by the House of Representatives Democratic leadership,
found that from 2003 to mid-2005, the administration racked up some $1.4
billion in contracts with advertising agencies to broadcast positive
messages about its policies and initiatives. Another $200 million went to
public-relations companies, and $15 million were spent building connections
with media outlets. Individual members of the press received a total of
$100,000 in promotional contracts.
Seizing on the study's results as a chance to broach accountability issues
in the administration, Representative Henry Waxman (D-California) said in a
statement that the report showed the White House was spending taxpayer
dollars on a self-serving "propaganda effort."
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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25 Jul 2007 05:30:15 AM |
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On Jul 25, 12:06 am, "El Kabong" <medii45...@mypacks.net> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:ucida31kuv7m12is1mh3h2964u27oqdokf@4ax.com...
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
A fact recognized by everyone in the political arena on all sides.
What's your point, Knickerless?
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Behind the White House's Billion-Dollar Propaganda Push
The REAL Cuba:
http://www.therealcuba.com/index.htm
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of nations may be determined by the possession
of available petroleum and its products."
- President Coolidge
Herbert Hoover, later to become President
of the United States did a study that showed
that one of the world's largest oil fields ran
along the coast of the South China Sea
right off French Indo-China, now known as Vietnam.
- Denny, Ludwell, We Fight of Oil, Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1928.
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/denny/denny_index.html
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:ucida31kuv7m12is1mh3h2964u27oqdokf@4ax.com...
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
A fact recognized by everyone in the political arena on all sides.
What's your point, Knickerless?
--
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and
over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
propaganda." -President George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
listen to the clip:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-propaganda.htm
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:57:24 -0400, raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
A fact recognized by everyone in the political arena on all sides.
What's your point, Knickerless?
Um... the one under his cap?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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24 Jul 2007 11:43:35 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Your hero Neutie was listening
During his C-span GOPAC lectures, he told them: "use
this mantra: "who is better able to spend your money"
over and over until everyone associates it with policy
During a recent Faux Snooze interview----Gingrich
answered when asked what Republicans had to do to beat
democrats: "Repeat over and over again a single mantra
until everyone knows it by heart".
Remarkable that a dumb drunk like you didn't see that
it is exactly parallel to this rightwing conservative
of last century, KNICKKKERS:
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"The great masses' receptive ability is only very limited, their understanding
is small, but their forgetfullness is great. As a consequence
of these facts, all effective propagana has to limit itself only to a
very few points and use them like slogans until even the very last man
is able to imagine what is intended by such a word.
Adolph Hitler
Mein Kampf
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25 Jul 2007 11:26:25 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:43:35 -0600, wrote:
During a recent Faux Snooze interview----Gingrich
answered when asked what Republicans had to do to beat
democrats: "Repeat over and over again a single mantra
until everyone knows it by heart".
"Four legs good, two legs bad" would fit the bill nicely...
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:26:25 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:43:35 -0600, wrote:
During a recent Faux Snooze interview----Gingrich
answered when asked what Republicans had to do to beat
democrats: "Repeat over and over again a single mantra
until everyone knows it by heart".
"Four legs good, two legs bad" would fit the bill nicely...
How about "Don't think - we can do it for you wholesale"?
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
Michael Moore claims that Cuba's Stalinist regime played it as
straight with him during the filming of Sicko, his new documentary, as
he plays it with its viewers. "I asked them to give us [the 9/11
workers featured in the documentary] the same care they give their own
Cuban citizens," he assured us. "No more, no less. And that's what
they did."
You cringe at having to contest this in full public view. Does anyone
with a fully-functioning brain actually believe it? Will I insult
America's intelligence by pointing out something so appallingly
obvious as the absurdity of Moore's claim? You would like to think
the forthcoming refutation by Dr Julio Alfonso, a Cuban Doctor who
defected in 1999, is too obvious to require publication and
circulation. But sadly, history shows that Castro's propaganda (as
disseminated by his agents, both on the payroll and off) has an odd--
if mercifully temporary-- effect on cerebrums that otherwise function
normally, even exceptionally. This effect is similar to the one sugar
in the gas tank has on an automobile engine.
As a recent and tragic example of this phenomenon, recall that in
April of 2000, after a Dan Rather 60 Minutes interview with Elian
Gonzalez's father, polls showed that 70 percent of Americans firmly
believed that this father -- a subject of a Stalinist regime who was
surrounded by Castro plainclothes police while in the very CBS studio
-- was acting completely free from coercion.
So let's go ahead and allow Dr. Julio Cesar Alfonso, who worked within
Cuba's health-care system for years, to remind America of something
that should be blatantly obvious: "The treatment Moore and the rescue
workers receive in the film was done specifically for them, because
the regime knew it would make great propaganda."
Dr Alfonso had barely finished his interview with the Miami Herald
when something titled "Havana Hospital" launched a website. "After
being featured in the Cannes Film Festival-honored film SICKO, we are
now open for Medical Tourism to Cuba," says the banner. "We welcome
you with peace and goodwill without any concern towards politics or
propaganda. We are very good surgeons ready to help." Among the
featured bargains are: "Breast augmentation/ implants for only $1,500
(through the belly button procedure.)"
99 percent of Cubans have no more experience with a hospital like the
one featured in Sicko than Michael Moore has with a Soloflex. Most
Cubans view a hospital like the one featured in Sicko the way teen-
age boys used to view Playboy magazine: "If only!" For an accurate
picture of what the average Cuban undergoes in healthcare, please
visit the harrowing pictures smuggled out of Cuba (at enormous peril)
and posted on TheRealCuba.com. If a picture is normally worth a
thousand worth then these are worth a million.
In Sicko, Moore parrots the Castroite claim that Cubans live longer
than Americans. In fact, the figures are practically identical, which
actually casts Cuba's vaunted health care in a negative light. In all
nations with high emigration rates longevity rates skew high. This
occurs because the birth is recorded but the death gets recorded in
the nation migrated to. So it seems like fewer people die. Naturally,
the opposite effect appears in nations with a large influx of
immigrants. The death is recorded but the birth was recorded in the
nation immigrated from. So, generally speaking, a nation with high
longevity but known to hemorrhage its people has little to boast about
with regards to longevity figures. All they're proving is that theirs
is a miserable place to live from which massive numbers of people
flee.
And few nations hemorrhage people like Cuba. Almost 20 percent of its
population since the glorious revolution. This 20 percent of Cuba's
population, let's not forget, represents those who got out with the
clothes on their back and against enormous odds. Had Cuba followed
the norms of all civilized nations in allowing free emigration with
family, property, etc. (as in pre-Castro Cuba, when almost nobody
left), Cuba today (statistically speaking) would boast the highest
longevity rates in the annals of man's history.
As eagerly expected by Michael Moore's Cuban case officers, Sicko's
screening was the signal for their other propaganda assets to chime
in. "Cuba has developed the world's first Meningitis B vaccine which
is available in Third World countries but not in Europe or in the
United States due to U.S. sanctions," reported Anthony Boadle from
Reuters' Havana bureau last week. Of this 27 word sentence, by a news
agency considered authoritative worldwide, exactly 14 words are true.
This vaccine is not available in the U.S. and Europe -- but hardly
because of "sanctions." In fact, in 1999, Bill Clinton's Treasury
Department granted the pharmaceutical giant SmithKline Beecham a
license to market the Cuban vaccine in a joint venture with Castro's
medical ministry -- pending FDA approval.
And why not? Castro's minister of public health, Carlos Dotres, had
hailed the vaccine as "the only effective one in the world!" Highly
impressed, Bill Clinton's FDA chief Dr. Carl Frasch said it could
annually prevent "1000-2000 cases" of the dread disease in the U.S.
110 U.S. Congressmen promptly signed a special letter to Secretary of
State Madeline Albright beseeching her to allow this breach of the
diabolical embargo, if only to protect the lives of America's
children!
That was eight years ago. The reason the vaccine is not available
today in the U.S. and Europe is simply that, like so many other
Castroite concoctions and proclamations dutifully trumpeted by news
agencies who earn Havana bureaus, the vaccine is a farce and its sale
a swindle. And, at least in this case, most civilized countries refuse
to help propagate the swindle on their citizens.
Some Third World countries discovered the swindle the hard way.
"Brazil has wasted $300 million on a Cuban vaccine that is completely
ineffective," wrote Dr. Isaías Raw, director of Sao Paolo's
prestigious Butantan Institue specializing in Biotechnology. A study
by Brazil's Centro de Vigilancia Epidemiológica (Center for
Epidemiological Research) from 1999 seconded Dr Raw: "The studies
conducted on the use of the Cuban vaccine in children under 4 years old
-the major risk group for hepatitis B-showed no evidence that the
vaccine protected them against the disease. This vaccine should not be
recommended."
All current medical literature flatly asserts that despite countless
attempts, "no effective vaccine against the Meningitis B has yet been
developed." The pharmaceutical giant Novartis is currently testing
one and claims to be close to its development.
Sadly for Castro, the medical establishment abounds with men and
women who stubbornly cling to their professional ethics. Enlisting
their full cooperation presents challenges much more daunting than
enlisting the cooperation of sympathetic news agencies and a portly
filmmaker obsessed with vilifying his country.
A few years back Castro, launched his "Doctor Diplomacy" wherein he
started sending Cuban "doctors" to heathen lands (though their spouses
and children were held hostage in Cuba) to heal the sick and raise the
dead. This was coupled with "free" treatment of poor foreigners from
the Carribbean and Latin American nations in Cuban hospitals. The
scheme has gotten no end of gushy reviews in the major media.
Some less prominent reviews might add perspective. Especially as these
report much closer-range observations of the scheme along with follow-
ups. Here's one from the newspaper The Jamaican Gleaner titled, "Eye
Surgery Hopes Dashed; Patients Suffer Complications," which notes:
"The survey included 200 patients (Jamaicans who traveled to Cuba for
eye surgery) and of that group, 49 patients - nearly a quarter -
experienced post surgery complications. According to Dr. Albert Lue,
Head of Ophthalmology in Jamaica's Kingston Public Hospital, the
complications causing the patients impaired vision was corneal damage
and damage to the iris due to poor surgical technique." "Since I come
back, from Cuba," said George Foster, a 70-year-old Jamaican
participant in the Cuban "Miracle Operation," "I can see from the
right eye but I can't see from the left."
Brazil also got a birds-eye view of Cuba's vaunted "Doctor
Diplomacy." "96 Cuban Doctors Expelled from Brazil" starts the April,
2005 story from Agence France-Presse. "Federal judge Marcelo Bernal
ruled in favor of a demand by the Brazilian state of Tocantins'
Consejo Regional de Medicina (Regional Council on Medicine) that Cuban
doctors be prohibited from practicing in their state." Based on the
results they'd achieved with Tocantins' residents, the judge referred
to the Cuban doctors as Witch Doctors and Shamans. We cannot accept
doctors who have not proven that they are doctors."
According to a report by the Association of American Physicians and
Surgeons, over 75 per cent of "doctors" with Cuban "medical degrees"
flunk the exam given by the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical
Graduates for licensing in the U.S. This exam is considered a cakewalk
even by the graduates of Mexico's Tec de Monterrey School of Medicine.
Most Cuba-certified doctors even flunk the Educational Commission for
Foreign Medical Graduates' exam for certification as "Physician
Assistants," making them unfit in the U.S. even as nurses.
None of this is meant to disparage these hapless men and women who
were simply cursed by fate to be born under a Stalinist tyranny, nor
those who took it upon themselves to overcome that curse and who today
enjoy the blessings of liberty while employed in other fields. I'm
simply disclosing some facts Michael Moore's Cuban case officers are
desperate to hide. Here are a few more:
According to the same report by the Association of American Physicians
and Surgeons, the mortality rate of Cuban children aged 1 to 4 is 34
percent higher than the U.S. (11.8 versus 8.8 per 1000). But these
don't figure into U.N. and World Health Organization spotlighted
"infant-mortality rates." So apparently the pressure (so far) is not
on Cuban doctors to fudge these figures.
In April 2001, Dr. Juan Felipe García MD of Jacksonville, Florida,
interviewed several recent doctor defectors from Cuba. Based on what
he heard, he reported the following: "The official Cuban infant-
mortality figure is a farce. Cuban pediatricians constantly falsify
figures for the regime. If an infant dies during its first year the
doctors often reports he was older. Otherwise such lapses could cost
him severe penalties and his job."
Cuba's infant mortality rate, though it plunged from 13th lowest in
the world pre-Castro to 40th today -- is also kept artificially low by
an abortion rate of 0 .71 per live birth, the Hemisphere's highest by
far which "terminates" any pregnancy that even hints at trouble.
More tragic still, the maternal mortality rate in Cuba is almost four
times that of the U.S. rate (33 versus 8.4 per 1000). Peculiar how so
many mothers die during childbirth in Cuba. And how many 1-4 year olds
perish, while from birth to one years old (the period during which
they qualify in U.N. statistics as infants) they're perfectly
healthy.
At the very least, such statistics should lead people to question
Cuba's official infant-mortality figures. They may not make for a
flattering portrait of Cuba, but unlike Michael Moore's documentary,
they have the virtue of being true.
--
One of the [Gold Star mothers], Elaine Johnson, recounted a meeting that she had with
President Bush in which he gave her a presidential coin and told her
and five other families: "Don't go sell it on eBay."
--from interview broadcast on NPR
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
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25 Jul 2007 09:12:25 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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25 Jul 2007 12:23:03 PM |
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On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on
about doesn't own any subjects, unlike the
truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I don't know of
any billionaire in the US who has ever sent
anybody to a gulag for being gay, either.
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26 Jul 2007 07:25:42 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700, Shrikeback wrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't own any
subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I don't know of
any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody to a gulag for being
gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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31 Jul 2007 07:21:47 PM |
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On Jul 26, 5:25 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700,Shrikebackwrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't own any
subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I don't know of
any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody to a gulag for being
gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
Regardless, you have to wonder why Zippy and
the rest of the extreme Left prefer Fidel to some
guy who hasn't ordered a single person killed or
tortured, nor sent any fags to forced labor camps.
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31 Jul 2007 07:33:24 PM |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:47 -0700, Shrikeback
<hewpiedawg@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:25 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700,Shrikebackwrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't own any
subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I don't know of
any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody to a gulag for being
gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
Regardless, you have to wonder why Zippy and
the rest of the extreme Left prefer Fidel to some
guy who hasn't ordered a single person killed or
tortured, nor sent any fags to forced labor camps.
You mean like endless fascist dictators have done throughout history?
My goodness, Shrinkback, you should try to get in a *****-measuring
contest using dictators. The ones from your side far out number the
ones from the left.
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01 Aug 2007 07:30:56 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:33:24 +0000, 3655 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:47 -0700, Shrikeback <hewpiedawg@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:25 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700,Shrikebackwrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in
a letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is
vital -- propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't own
any subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I don't
know of any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody to a
gulag for being gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
Regardless, you have to wonder why Zippy and the rest of the extreme
Left prefer Fidel to some guy who hasn't ordered a single person killed
or tortured, nor sent any fags to forced labor camps.
You mean like endless fascist dictators have done throughout history?
My goodness, Shrinkback, you should try to get in a *****-measuring
contest using dictators. The ones from your side far out number the
ones from the left.
It's the "not as bad as Hitler" defense. I'm not sure why that's a
defense but... there it is...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours."
- Dr. House
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01 Aug 2007 07:29:47 AM |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:47 -0700, Shrikeback wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:25 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700,Shrikebackwrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in
a letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is
vital -- propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't own
any subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I don't
know of any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody to a
gulag for being gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
Regardless, you have to wonder why Zippy and the rest of the extreme
Left prefer Fidel to some guy who hasn't ordered a single person killed
or tortured, nor sent any fags to forced labor camps.
With a ringing endorsement like that, I can't understand why he wouldn't
prefer the guy's propaganda...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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01 Aug 2007 06:08:16 PM |
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On Aug 1, 8:29 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:47 -0700, Shrikeback wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:25 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700,Shrikebackwrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in
a letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is
vital -- propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't own
any subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I don't
know of any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody to a
gulag for being gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
Regardless, you have to wonder why Zippy and the rest of the extreme
Left prefer Fidel to some guy who hasn't ordered a single person killed
or tortured, nor sent any fags to forced labor camps.
With a ringing endorsement like that, I can't understand why he wouldn't
prefer the guy's propaganda...
Reminds me of a fat, bearded leftwinger named Petrich who defended
Clinton
by saying, "Even if he DID rape her, he's not as bad as Nixon".
It's one of my favorite leftie Usenet quotes actually.
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| User: "3655 Dead" |
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| Title: Re: #Sicko Propaganda |
01 Aug 2007 06:42:26 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:08:16 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Aug 1, 8:29 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:47 -0700, Shrikeback wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:25 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700,Shrikebackwrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in
a letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is
vital -- propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't own
any subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I don't
know of any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody to a
gulag for being gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
Regardless, you have to wonder why Zippy and the rest of the extreme
Left prefer Fidel to some guy who hasn't ordered a single person killed
or tortured, nor sent any fags to forced labor camps.
With a ringing endorsement like that, I can't understand why he wouldn't
prefer the guy's propaganda...
Reminds me of a fat, bearded leftwinger named Petrich who defended
Clinton
by saying, "Even if he DID rape her, he's not as bad as Nixon".
It's one of my favorite leftie Usenet quotes actually.
Knickers, says, doing his little "let's not talk about Bush" dance as
he huffs his moral indignation at us.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: #Sicko Propaganda |
02 Aug 2007 10:21:30 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:42:26 +0000, 3655 Dead wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:08:16 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Aug 1, 8:29 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:47 -0700, Shrikeback wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:25 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700,Shrikebackwrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro
in a letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda
is vital -- propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front
Page magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't
own any subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I
don't know of any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody
to a gulag for being gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
Regardless, you have to wonder why Zippy and the rest of the extreme
Left prefer Fidel to some guy who hasn't ordered a single person
killed or tortured, nor sent any fags to forced labor camps.
With a ringing endorsement like that, I can't understand why he
wouldn't prefer the guy's propaganda...
Reminds me of a fat, bearded leftwinger named Petrich who defended
Clinton
by saying, "Even if he DID rape her, he's not as bad as Nixon".
It's one of my favorite leftie Usenet quotes actually.
Knickers, says, doing his little "let's not talk about Bush" dance as he
huffs his moral indignation at us.
Six years after he left office, Clinton is that powerful. Man, we should
all kiss his ***** while there's still time!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Just because it's inexplicted doesn't mean it's inexplicable."
- Dr. House
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: #Sicko Propaganda |
02 Aug 2007 10:24:45 AM |
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On Aug 2, 11:21 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:42:26 +0000, 3655 Dead wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:08:16 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Aug 1, 8:29 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:47 -0700, Shrikeback wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:25 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:03 -0700,Shrikebackwrote:
On Jul 25, 7:12 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 +0000, 3633 Dead wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro
in a letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda
is vital -- propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front
Page magazine.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, is what you mean.
Interestingly, the fascist billionaire Zippy is on about doesn't
own any subjects, unlike the truly fascist billionaire, Fidel. I
don't know of any billionaire in the US who has ever sent anybody
to a gulag for being gay, either.
Well, I guess that makes it okay then huh?
Regardless, you have to wonder why Zippy and the rest of the extreme
Left prefer Fidel to some guy who hasn't ordered a single person
killed or tortured, nor sent any fags to forced labor camps.
With a ringing endorsement like that, I can't understand why he
wouldn't prefer the guy's propaganda...
Reminds me of a fat, bearded leftwinger named Petrich who defended
Clinton
by saying, "Even if he DID rape her, he's not as bad as Nixon".
It's one of my favorite leftie Usenet quotes actually.
Knickers, says, doing his little "let's not talk about Bush" dance as he
huffs his moral indignation at us.
Six years after he left office, Clinton is that powerful. Man, we should
all kiss his ***** while there's still time!
I'm sure you've fantasized about that many times, Blibo.
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| Title: Re: #Sicko Propaganda |
24 Jul 2007 11:44:31 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 GMT, 3633 Dead
<zepp22113633@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
Poor Knickkkers
He's never been the same since I nailed him making
drunk hang-up phone calls.
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"The great masses' receptive ability is only very limited, their understanding
is small, but their forgetfullness is great. As a consequence
of these facts, all effective propagana has to limit itself only to a
very few points and use them like slogans until even the very last man
is able to imagine what is intended by such a word.
Adolph Hitler
Mein Kampf
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| User: "Steve" |
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| Title: Re: #Sicko Propaganda |
25 Jul 2007 08:22:02 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:50:48 GMT, 3633 Dead
<zepp22113633@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sicko Propaganda
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 24, 2007
"We cannot for a second abandon propaganda" wrote Fidel Castro in a
letter to a revolutionary colleague in 1954. "Propaganda is vital --
propaganda is the heart of all struggles."
Which is why fascist billionaires pay for things like Front Page
magazine.
<LOL> One word... Soros......
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