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http://www.detnews.com/2003/editorial/0311/22/d07-331752.htm
Saturday, November 22, 2003
Faith and Policy
Keep America one nation under God
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
We are one nation under God. The phrase "In God We Trust" is stamped on
our currency and declared on the floors of Congress for a reason.
There is a reason why we are the nation we are. There is a reason why we
are the superpower. There is a reason why we are the most prosperous
nation. It's because we are a nation founded on biblical Christian
principles.
The evidence is weaved throughout our history, from the colonists to the
crafters of our Constitution, presidents and subsequent courts.
For example, the colonists wrote in the New England Federation:
"We all came to these parts of America with one and the same end and
aim, namely to advance the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ, and enjoy
the liberties of the Gospel in purity with peace."
The colonists recognized the biblical principles where God established
the recognition of His sovereignty.
Our founders built a nation based on the premise that self-governing
(disciplined) Christians will produce the finest society. Individual
liberty, elected representatives and limited government are Christian
virtues.
While all of America's founders were not Christians (though a great
majority were), almost every one had a biblical worldview, even the
non-Christians. Thus, our Constitution was designed to perpetuate a
Christian order.
Among the founders, Benjamin Franklin, the noted scientist and signer of
the Constitution (described as the least religious of the founders),
professed his faith in God in many recorded documents.
At the Pennsylvania Convention of 1767 to revise the Articles of
Confederation, Franklin asked that daily prayer be a part of their
deliberations. In part he stated, "I have lived, sir, a long time, and
the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth --
that God governs in the affairs of men."
For 160 years, many of our court (including the Supreme Court) decisions
and opinions were based on biblical statutes, as Christian principles
were a part of American public life.
Today, secularists argue that Christianity is outdated because it is
intolerant to other religions. Not true. It's because we are a Christian
nation, that we welcome the inclusion of all religions.
In fact, the early courts openly acknowledged that America was
pluralistic and tolerant of other religions only because it was a
Christian nation. The founders acknowledged the presence of numerous
religious groups in America, including Buddhists, Muslims and Jews,
while still recognizing the country's Christian foundation.
Our God is a God of choice and gives us the freedom to choose. That's
why we are the freest nation. And today, an overwhelming majority of
Americans still consider themselves Christian, despite efforts by a
small minority to make it an ungodly one. Efforts to take God out of the
public arena have led to devastating results and can be directly
attributed to the decline in morality. That's why we're seeing higher
divorce rates, increases in teen pregnancy and more domestic abuse.
Efforts to renew our Christian heritage should be embraced. Examples
include the 1993 proclamation by Illinois, declaring that Nov. 21-27 is
Christian Heritage Week. In 1994, Indiana followed suit, as did Idaho.
There are many men and women throughout our history who fought to keep
this nation Christian. We must continue in that vain. When we don't
value God, we become a nation without values.
As our national anthem summarizes:
"Blessed with victory and peace, may this Heav'n-rescued land Praise the
Power that hath made and preserved us a nation. Then conquer we must,
when our cause it is just; And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust!'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O'er the land of the
free, and the home of the brave."
Let's not forget our Christian heritage and strive to keep this one
nation under God.
Bishop Keith Butler is the founder and pastor of Word of Faith
International Christian Center in Southfield. Send letters to The News
at 615 W. Lafayette, Detroit, MI 48226 or (313) 222-6417 or
letters@detnews.com.
(c) 2003 Detroit News
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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22 Nov 2003 02:21:43 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:17:42 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/editorial/0311/22/d07-331752.htm
Saturday, November 22, 2003
Faith and Policy
Keep America one nation under God
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
We are one nation under God. The phrase "In God We Trust" is stamped on
our currency and declared on the floors of Congress for a reason.
There is a reason why we are the nation we are. There is a reason why we
are the superpower. There is a reason why we are the most prosperous
nation. It's because we are a nation founded on biblical Christian
principles.
The evidence is weaved throughout our history, from the colonists to the
crafters of our Constitution, presidents and subsequent courts.
For example, the colonists wrote in the New England Federation:
"We all came to these parts of America with one and the same end and
aim, namely to advance the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ, and enjoy
the liberties of the Gospel in purity with peace."
The colonists recognized the biblical principles where God established
the recognition of His sovereignty.
Our founders built a nation based on the premise that self-governing
(disciplined) Christians will produce the finest society. Individual
liberty, elected representatives and limited government are Christian
virtues.
While all of America's founders were not Christians (though a great
majority were), almost every one had a biblical worldview, even the
non-Christians. Thus, our Constitution was designed to perpetuate a
Christian order.
Among the founders, Benjamin Franklin, the noted scientist and signer of
the Constitution (described as the least religious of the founders),
professed his faith in God in many recorded documents.
At the Pennsylvania Convention of 1767 to revise the Articles of
Confederation, Franklin asked that daily prayer be a part of their
deliberations. In part he stated, "I have lived, sir, a long time, and
the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth --
that God governs in the affairs of men."
For 160 years, many of our court (including the Supreme Court) decisions
and opinions were based on biblical statutes, as Christian principles
were a part of American public life.
Today, secularists argue that Christianity is outdated because it is
intolerant to other religions. Not true. It's because we are a Christian
nation, that we welcome the inclusion of all religions.
In fact, the early courts openly acknowledged that America was
pluralistic and tolerant of other religions only because it was a
Christian nation. The founders acknowledged the presence of numerous
religious groups in America, including Buddhists, Muslims and Jews,
while still recognizing the country's Christian foundation.
Our God is a God of choice and gives us the freedom to choose. That's
why we are the freest nation. And today, an overwhelming majority of
Americans still consider themselves Christian, despite efforts by a
small minority to make it an ungodly one. Efforts to take God out of the
public arena have led to devastating results and can be directly
attributed to the decline in morality. That's why we're seeing higher
divorce rates, increases in teen pregnancy and more domestic abuse.
Efforts to renew our Christian heritage should be embraced. Examples
include the 1993 proclamation by Illinois, declaring that Nov. 21-27 is
Christian Heritage Week. In 1994, Indiana followed suit, as did Idaho.
There are many men and women throughout our history who fought to keep
this nation Christian. We must continue in that vain. When we don't
value God, we become a nation without values.
As our national anthem summarizes:
"Blessed with victory and peace, may this Heav'n-rescued land Praise the
Power that hath made and preserved us a nation. Then conquer we must,
when our cause it is just; And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust!'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O'er the land of the
free, and the home of the brave."
Let's not forget our Christian heritage and strive to keep this one
nation under God.
Bishop Keith Butler is the founder and pastor of Word of Faith
International Christian Center in Southfield. Send letters to The News
at 615 W. Lafayette, Detroit, MI 48226 or (313) 222-6417 or
letters@detnews.com.
(c) 2003 Detroit News
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
It's people like that whose name should accidently appear on lists
that denies their right to vote, timed so that after the scam is
discovered, it's too late, you can't undo a vote, and recall is hard
to do.
drift
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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22 Nov 2003 06:37:07 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:17:42 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
snippage
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
There is a reason why we are the nation we are. There is a reason why we
are the superpower. There is a reason why we are the most prosperous
nation. It's because we are a nation founded on biblical Christian
principles.
That's great. Never mind the secular side bringing us scientific
advancements in medicine and technology. Never mind
evolutionary/boilogical sciences that help us to live healthier,
longer lives despite 'biblical Christian principles' that would drag
us back to the Stone Age.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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22 Nov 2003 08:38:19 PM |
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Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Steve Knight
Date: 11/22/2003 6:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <aovvrvosoj91cjhi4e9jrhra1mq7j5n6bq@4ax.com>
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:17:42 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
snippage
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
There is a reason why we are the nation we are. There is a reason why we
are the superpower. There is a reason why we are the most prosperous
nation. It's because we are a nation founded on biblical Christian
principles.
That's great. Never mind the secular side bringing us scientific
advancements in medicine and technology. Never mind
evolutionary/boilogical sciences that help us to live healthier,
longer lives despite 'biblical Christian principles' that would drag
us back to the Stone Age.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
Where didI get the notion that our laws were based on Roman law and English
common law?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Nov 2003 01:10:57 PM |
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On 23 Nov 2003 02:38:19 GMT, (PIPEMMIE) posted in
alt.atheism:
Where didI get the notion that our laws were based on Roman law and English
common law?
From reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
--
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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23 Nov 2003 07:33:55 PM |
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Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Al Klein rukbat@pern.invalid
Date: 11/23/2003 1:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <pg12svkktg5jujhfkbh4sf1e6u06g7ulk2@Pern.rk>
rom reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am recovering from
major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair (motorized...I'm destroying my
entire house with it). I walk every day with a walker trying to reteach my
brain to communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk. On my birthday
last week I did take four independant steps! And, have done so every day
since. The surgery was successful, by the way. The pain I had before, so
incredible that morphine didn't deaden is gone. If my surgeon wore a ring, I
would kiss it!
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad to
see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy? Does Georgette still
regale the group with her nonsense?
Maybe I just haven't lurked long enough.
All the best, Pipemmie
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25 Nov 2003 12:54:18 AM |
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In article <20031123203355.08468.00000742@mb-m24.aol.com>,
(PIPEMMIE) wrote:
Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Al Klein rukbat@pern.invalid
Date: 11/23/2003 1:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <pg12svkktg5jujhfkbh4sf1e6u06g7ulk2@Pern.rk>
rom reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am recovering from
major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair (motorized...I'm destroying my
entire house with it). I walk every day with a walker trying to reteach my
brain to communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk. On my birthday
last week I did take four independant steps! And, have done so every day
since. The surgery was successful, by the way. The pain I had before, so
incredible that morphine didn't deaden is gone. If my surgeon wore a ring, I
would kiss it!
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad to
see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy? Does Georgette still
regale the group with her nonsense?
Maybe I just haven't lurked long enough.
All the best, Pipemmie
Welcome back! It sounds like your making good progress. Keep up the
good work!
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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24 Nov 2003 10:05:41 AM |
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In article <20031123203355.08468.00000742@mb-m24.aol.com>, PIPEMMIE says...
Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Al Klein rukbat@pern.invalid
Date: 11/23/2003 1:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <pg12svkktg5jujhfkbh4sf1e6u06g7ulk2@Pern.rk>
rom reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am recovering from
major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair (motorized...I'm destroying my
entire house with it). I walk every day with a walker trying to reteach my
brain to communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk. On my birthday
last week I did take four independant steps! And, have done so every day
since. The surgery was successful, by the way. The pain I had before, so
incredible that morphine didn't deaden is gone. If my surgeon wore a ring, I
would kiss it!
Wow! Glad to hear you're doing better. Welcome back! :)
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad to
see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy?
Jeremy had to leave us - as well as Mark Bilbo. And now John Hattan's going too.
I'm not a happy camper.
Does Georgette still
regale the group with her nonsense?
LOL, every once in a while, yes :)
Maybe I just haven't lurked long enough.
All the best, Pipemmie
Take care yourself! :)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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24 Nov 2003 02:42:29 PM |
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ubject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Robibnikoff
Date: 11/24/2003 10:05 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <p%pwb.31554$cJ5.4981@www.newsranger.com>
In article <20031123203355.08468.00000742@mb-m24.aol.com>, PIPEMMIE says...
Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Al Klein rukbat@pern.invalid
Date: 11/23/2003 1:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <pg12svkktg5jujhfkbh4sf1e6u06g7ulk2@Pern.rk>
rom reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am recovering
from
major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair (motorized...I'm destroying my
entire house with it). I walk every day with a walker trying to reteach my
brain to communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk. On my
birthday
last week I did take four independant steps! And, have done so every day
since. The surgery was successful, by the way. The pain I had before, so
incredible that morphine didn't deaden is gone. If my surgeon wore a ring,
I
would kiss it!
Wow! Glad to hear you're doing better. Welcome back! :)
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad
to
see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy?
Jeremy had to leave us - as well as Mark Bilbo. And now John Hattan's going
too.
I'm not a happy camper.
Does Georgette still
regale the group with her nonsense?
LOL, every once in a while, yes :)
Maybe I just haven't lurked long enough.
All the best, Pipemmie
Take care yourself! :)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Good grief! Mark Bilbo gone,too! I saw John Hattan's farewell post. Now,
that's just too much!
pipemmie #2092
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Nov 2003 10:50:31 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2003 20:42:29 GMT, (PIPEMMIE) posted in
alt.atheism:
Good grief! Mark Bilbo gone,too! I saw John Hattan's farewell post. Now,
that's just too much!
And I'm gone too.
(But just till Monday. Going to my mother-in-law's for the holiday,
and I can't access my news server from there.)
--
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers, and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:26
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Nov 2003 10:49:15 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:05:41 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
Jeremy had to leave us - as well as Mark Bilbo. And now John Hattan's going too.
I'm not a happy camper.
Yeah, the rest of us are just chopped liver.
--
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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25 Nov 2003 09:22:20 AM |
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In article <dpn5sv4dnci6bognqd90egk5k8q3eua5v8@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:05:41 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
Jeremy had to leave us - as well as Mark Bilbo. And now John Hattan's going too.
I'm not a happy camper.
Yeah, the rest of us are just chopped liver.
LOL, oh dear, I didn't mean to offend ;)
Now, of course the rest isn't just chopped liver, but I'm sure everyone has a
favorite or two amongst the group.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Nov 2003 10:10:00 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:05:41 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>,
Message ID: <p%pwb.31554$cJ5.4981@www.newsranger.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <20031123203355.08468.00000742@mb-m24.aol.com>, PIPEMMIE says...
Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Al Klein rukbat@pern.invalid
Date: 11/23/2003 1:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <pg12svkktg5jujhfkbh4sf1e6u06g7ulk2@Pern.rk>
rom reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am recovering from
major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair (motorized...I'm destroying my
entire house with it). I walk every day with a walker trying to reteach my
brain to communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk. On my birthday
last week I did take four independant steps! And, have done so every day
since. The surgery was successful, by the way. The pain I had before, so
incredible that morphine didn't deaden is gone. If my surgeon wore a ring, I
would kiss it!
Wow! Glad to hear you're doing better. Welcome back! :)
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad to
see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy?
Jeremy had to leave us - as well as Mark Bilbo. And now John Hattan's going too.
I'm not a happy camper.
John is? I didn't know that.
Best wishes to you and Shelly, John.
(snip)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Nov 2003 10:48:27 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2003 01:33:55 GMT, (PIPEMMIE) posted in
alt.atheism:
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am recovering from
major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair (motorized...I'm destroying my
entire house with it). I walk every day with a walker trying to reteach my
brain to communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk. On my birthday
last week I did take four independant steps!
Wonderful! You're on your way.
And, have done so every day since.
Can't keep a good woman down.
The surgery was successful, by the way. The pain I had before, so
incredible that morphine didn't deaden is gone. If my surgeon wore a ring, I
would kiss it!
Let's not forget where we are. :)
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad to
see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy?
Got a bit fed up with things.
Does Georgette still regale the group with her nonsense?
Does the sun still rise in the East?
Good to see you back. Let me know when you run in a marathon. I'll
cheer you from the side lines.
--
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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23 Nov 2003 08:57:36 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2003 01:33:55 GMT, (PIPEMMIE) wrote:
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad to
see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy?
Not around...
<quote>
From: Jeremy Martin (mrbungle@pattonisgod.com)
Subject: OT: Well, I guess I should take my leave.
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
View: Complete Thread (19 articles)
Original Format
Date: 2003-10-05 15:28:40 PST
It's with a heavy heart that I post this, but it had to be done
sooner or later.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to just unsubscribe from a.a for a
number of reasons. Some of you may have noticed that I've been
posting a lot less frequently, and it's for a number of reasons.
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--
Jeremy Martin
<quote>
Does Georgette still
regale the group with her nonsense?
You mean Georgann?
Yeah, she isnt as active as she once was.
Maybe I just haven't lurked long enough.
All the best, Pipemmie
Oh!
Here is your missing a.a. number - you dropped it by the water cooler.
- #2092 -
A little bit scuffed but otherwise OK.
8-)
Mark.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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23 Nov 2003 10:08:53 PM |
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Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Mark Richardson
Date: 11/23/2003 8:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <sas2svorhhmrnp1v40t6ccrvr7g2at3vd0@4ax.co
Oh!
Here is your missing a.a. number - you dropped it by the water cooler.
- #2092 -
A little bit scuffed but otherwise OK.
8-)
Mark.
thanks, Mark. I needed that.
pipemmie #2092
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Nov 2003 10:08:49 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2003 01:33:55 GMT, (PIPEMMIE), Message ID:
<20031123203355.08468.00000742@mb-m24.aol.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Al Klein rukbat@pern.invalid
Date: 11/23/2003 1:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <pg12svkktg5jujhfkbh4sf1e6u06g7ulk2@Pern.rk>
rom reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am recovering from
major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair (motorized...I'm destroying my
entire house with it). I walk every day with a walker trying to reteach my
brain to communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk. On my birthday
last week I did take four independant steps! And, have done so every day
since. The surgery was successful, by the way. The pain I had before, so
incredible that morphine didn't deaden is gone. If my surgeon wore a ring, I
would kiss it!
OW OW OW OW OW....Welcome back and I'm glad things are much better.
/me caterwauls Happy Birthday to Pipemmie.
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad to
see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy? Does Georgette still
regale the group with her nonsense?
Jeremy's working on an album, iirc and the nutcase is still around.
Maybe I just haven't lurked long enough.
All the best, Pipemmie
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian ***** |
26 Nov 2003 12:21:40 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:33:55 +1100, PIPEMMIE wrote
(in message <20031123203355.08468.00000742@mb-m24.aol.com>):
Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Al Klein rukbat@pern.invalid
Date: 11/23/2003 1:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <pg12svkktg5jujhfkbh4sf1e6u06g7ulk2@Pern.rk>
rom reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am
Just wanted to add my 'welcome back' to the list. Pleased to hear
things are working out, because...
recovering from major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair
(motorized...I'm destroying my entire house with it). I walk
every day with a walker trying to reteach my brain to
communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk. On my
birthday last week I did take four independant steps! And,
have done so every day since. The surgery was successful, by
the way. The pain I had before, so incredible that morphine
didn't deaden is gone. If my surgeon wore a ring, I would kiss
it!
....this sounds really icky :-(
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But,
I'm so glad to see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is
Jeremy? Does Georgette still regale the group with her
nonsense?
G seems to have settled down a bit wrt posting frequency, her
wacky drawing/movie is in limbo (for reasons I cannot recall
OTTOMH).
Maybe I just haven't lurked long enough.
I still think that :-(
All the best, Pipemmie
You too
Have Fun
Martin
--
aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian ***** |
25 Nov 2003 02:58:27 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:33:55 -0600, PIPEMMIE wrote
(in message <20031123203355.08468.00000742@mb-m24.aol.com>):
From: (PIPEMMIE)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian *****
From: Al Klein rukbat@pern.invalid
Date: 11/23/2003 1:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <pg12svkktg5jujhfkbh4sf1e6u06g7ulk2@Pern.rk>
rom reality?
Pipemmie ( dang! I've been gone so long I've forgotten my a.a. nimber!)
I noticed. Welcome back. (I hope everything's okay?)
Thanks for the welcome. Everything is going to be okay. I am recovering
from major back surgery and stuck in a wheel chair (motorized...I'm
destroying my entire house with it). I walk every day with a walker trying
to reteach my brain to communicate with my back and, therefore, let me walk.
On my birthday last week I did take four independant steps! And, have done
so every day since. The surgery was successful, by the way. The pain I
had before, so incredible that morphine didn't deaden is gone. If my
surgeon wore a ring, I would kiss it!
It's interesting to be back...a lot of unfamiliar names. But, I'm so glad
to see so many I know. I am missing some. Where is Jeremy? Does Georgette
still regale the group with her nonsense? Maybe I just haven't lurked long
enough.
Welcome back, at long last. Good to see you around the place again.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian ***** |
24 Nov 2003 10:02:15 PM |
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Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net> wrote in message news:<aovvrvosoj91cjhi4e9jrhra1mq7j5n6bq@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:17:42 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
snippage
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
There is a reason why we are the nation we are. There is a reason why we
are the superpower. There is a reason why we are the most prosperous
nation. It's because we are a nation founded on biblical Christian
principles.
That's great. Never mind the secular side bringing us scientific
advancements in medicine and technology. Never mind
evolutionary/boilogical sciences that help us to live healthier,
longer lives despite 'biblical Christian principles' that would drag
us back to the Stone Age.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
OK, I won't mind it if you won't. That guy certainly didn't.
jwk
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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| Title: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian ***** |
22 Nov 2003 11:43:56 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<50avrvgeddkuf8812q675nsohv63g501lf@4ax.com>...
http://www.detnews.com/2003/editorial/0311/22/d07-331752.htm
Saturday, November 22, 2003
Faith and Policy
Keep America one nation under God
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
We are one nation under God. The phrase "In God We Trust" is stamped on
our currency and declared on the floors of Congress for a reason.
Didn't have to read any further. Wonder if Bishop Butler *knows* the
reason...
(hint: while some currency said it before, it was made law in 1953;
that year sound familiar?)
eyelessgame
"'Under God' was put in the Pledge in order to fight the godless
Communists. Now, we must keep in in the Pledge to fight the godless
Muslims."
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian ***** |
23 Nov 2003 09:49:18 PM |
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(eyelessgame) wrote in
news:e707421e.0311222143.6f4e7478@posting.google.com:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:<50avrvgeddkuf8812q675nsohv63g501lf@4ax.com>...
http://www.detnews.com/2003/editorial/0311/22/d07-331752.htm
Saturday, November 22, 2003
Faith and Policy
Keep America one nation under God
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
We are one nation under God. The phrase "In God We Trust" is stamped
on our currency and declared on the floors of Congress for a reason.
Didn't have to read any further. Wonder if Bishop Butler *knows* the
reason...
(hint: while some currency said it before, it was made law in 1953;
that year sound familiar?)
He'd only hand-wave the matter aside and say it never happened that way,
and any honesty about it is nothing more than revisionism.
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"When you're slapped, you'll take it and like it!" -- Sam Spade
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian ***** |
23 Nov 2003 01:11:58 PM |
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On 22 Nov 2003 21:43:56 -0800, (eyelessgame) posted in
alt.atheism:
Didn't have to read any further. Wonder if Bishop Butler *knows* the
reason...
(hint: while some currency said it before, it was made law in 1953;
that year sound familiar?)
The start of The Decline and Fall of the American Empire?
--
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "socode" |
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| Title: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian ***** |
24 Nov 2003 10:10:14 AM |
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stoney wrote:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/editorial/0311/22/d07-331752.htm
Saturday, November 22, 2003
Faith and Policy
Keep America one nation under God
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
We are one nation under God. The phrase "In God We Trust" is stamped on
our currency and declared on the floors of Congress for a reason.
There is a reason why we are the nation we are. There is a reason why we
are the superpower. There is a reason why we are the most prosperous
nation. It's because we are a nation founded on biblical Christian
principles.
Like slavery and human sacrifice?
Err... um...
socode
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: (Sigh) Usual Xtian ***** |
25 Nov 2003 10:11:56 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:10:14 +0000, socode
<newswiththedomainsocodeperiodcom@rewrittenwithoutthispart.com>, Message
ID: <bptafv$2h5$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/editorial/0311/22/d07-331752.htm
Saturday, November 22, 2003
Faith and Policy
Keep America one nation under God
By Bishop Keith Butler / Special to The Detroit News
We are one nation under God. The phrase "In God We Trust" is stamped on
our currency and declared on the floors of Congress for a reason.
There is a reason why we are the nation we are. There is a reason why we
are the superpower. There is a reason why we are the most prosperous
nation. It's because we are a nation founded on biblical Christian
principles.
Like slavery and human sacrifice?
genocide, theft, lies, greed, rapine, bacteriological warfare.
Err... um...
socode
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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