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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Paul Edwards"
Date: 08 Jul 2005 11:30:33 AM
Object: Sign of the Beast
The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
Sept 11) appeared in a certain context. You can be
the judge as to whether it is divine or not...
http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html
BFN. Paul.
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User: "Misleart Chuff"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 03:14:12 PM
"Paul Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote in message
news:42ceaa86$0$779$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.co
m.au...
: The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
: Sept 11) appeared in a certain context. You can be
: the judge as to whether it is divine or not...
:
: http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html
*****, this thing just goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and
on....my eyes started to cross, so I had to quit reading long before
he gets to the point. Not especially well written. Damned shame.
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 12:11:33 PM
"Paul Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote in message
news:42ceaa86$0$779$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
Sept 11) appeared in a certain context. You can be
the judge as to whether it is divine or not...

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html

I think the person who wrote that is out of his mind.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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User: "Joe Zawadowski"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 01:45:34 PM
In article <3j7qfiFo9qekU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Paul Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote in message
news:42ceaa86$0$779$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
Sept 11) appeared in a certain context. You can be
the judge as to whether it is divine or not...

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html


I think the person who wrote that is out of his mind.
--
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Robyn

I concur :-). Besides, the official return of the beast will happen next
June, when my dog, who's AKC registration begins 7666....will be 6 years
old on 6-6-06. We don't call her the demon dog for nothing! :-).
Actually, she is a gentle sweetheart who is certified as a therapy dog.
Joe Z. #249
--
"Freedom begins between the ears."
Edward Abbey
"Which ever way your pleasure tends,
if you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind"
Hunter
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User: "Conspiracy of Doves"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 12:46:25 PM
Umm... did you actually READ it?
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User: "MJSD"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 06:58:30 PM
"Paul Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote in news:42ceaa86$0$779
$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au:

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
Sept 11) appeared in a certain context.

Can you tell the Antichrist when he comes around that I'd like a few gigs
of extra memory in my skin-implanted tracking chip? One would think The
Beast has an IT department or something to process these sorts of requests.
I also want a widescreen video overlay for both retinas and a skip-proof
DVD player bone-grafted to my sternum so I can watch movies in my head.
While he's in there, maybe he could wire the pleasure center of my brain
for electrical stimulation and install an activator switch just below my
left shirt cuff... a 'happy button' could come in handy for those rough
days at the office.


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User: "Paul Edwards"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 07:01:53 PM
"MJSD" <nospam@mail.com> wrote in message news:Xns968DC106C8B34thisuniqueidtoken@216.168.3.66...

"Paul Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote in news:42ceaa86$0$779
$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au:

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
Sept 11) appeared in a certain context.


Can you tell the Antichrist when he comes around that I'd like a few gigs
of extra memory in my skin-implanted tracking chip? One would think The
Beast has an IT department or something to process these sorts of requests.
I also want a widescreen video overlay for both retinas and a skip-proof
DVD player bone-grafted to my sternum so I can watch movies in my head.
While he's in there, maybe he could wire the pleasure center of my brain
for electrical stimulation and install an activator switch just below my
left shirt cuff... a 'happy button' could come in handy for those rough
days at the office.

All this is superfluous. You are already living in a computer
simulation. That's why, in a 15 billion year history, you weren't
born 1 million years (ie nothing) earlier or later. What a
coincidence, eh? 1 million years earlier and the simulation
would have been total crap. 1 million years later and we'd
already have the computer technology needed to download
our brains onto silicon by ourselves.
I believe the "real" date is already 1 million years into the
future, and we already have that technology, and we are
already living in a virtual reality, perhaps as we do long
interstellar travel.
BFN. Paul.
.


User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 06:30:30 PM
In our last episode
<42ceaa86$0$779$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Paul Edwards pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of Sept 11) appeared in a
certain context. You can be the judge as to whether it is divine or
not...

Only problem being that the number in the bible is actuall 616...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Paul Edwards"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 06:40:13 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:YpSdnfDo6_ELkVLfRVn-jg@megapath.net...

In our last episode
<42ceaa86$0$779$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Paul Edwards pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of Sept 11) appeared in a
certain context. You can be the judge as to whether it is divine or
not...


Only problem being that the number in the bible is actuall 616...

What are you talking about?
"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is
six hundred and sixty-six," (Rev. 13:18).
BTW, sorry to the person who thought it was too long. But
in my opinion the context was required. You had to "be
there" to see why even as a hard-core atheist, I was stunned.
In lieu of "being there", you need the context.
BTW, I'm still promoting atheism, if you look at the comments
section. I still say that the only free people are atheists.
BFN. Paul.
.
User: "Paul Edwards"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 06:45:13 PM
"Paul Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote in message
news:42cf0f3d$0$785$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...

BTW, sorry to the person who thought it was too long. But
in my opinion the context was required. You had to "be
there" to see why even as a hard-core atheist, I was stunned.
In lieu of "being there", you need the context.

Oh yeah. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I needed all the context.
Here it is again, for those of you who are totally sick of
reading URLs from whacked out, dogmatic, born-again
Christians who have never once contributed anything to
the advance of civilization...
http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html
BFN. Paul.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 07:31:56 PM
In our last episode
<42cf0f3d$0$785$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Paul Edwards pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:YpSdnfDo6_ELkVLfRVn-jg@megapath.net...

In our last episode
<42ceaa86$0$779$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Paul Edwards pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of Sept 11) appeared
in a certain context. You can be the judge as to whether it is
divine or not...


Only problem being that the number in the bible is actuall 616...


What are you talking about?

"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of
the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six
hundred and sixty-six," (Rev. 13:18).

Here's one article:
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_17640.shtml
"While many Bible have footnotes saying the number translated from the
original Greek could be 616, experts say new photographic evidence of an
ancient fragment of papyrus from Revelation indeed indicates the number is
indeed 616, instead of 666.
"Scholars in England have been using modern technology to scour some
400,000 bits of papyri which were originally discovered in 1895 at a dump
outside the ancient Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus. Many of the sections
have been damaged and discolored, but an imaging process is shedding new
light on the sacred text, believed to have originally been penned by John,
one of Jesus' 12 apostles."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Paul Edwards"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 07:53:08 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:QbCdnU-lAuJhh1LfRVn-2g@megapath.net...

Only problem being that the number in the bible is actuall 616...


"While many Bible have footnotes saying the number translated from the
original Greek could be 616, experts say new photographic evidence of an
ancient fragment of papyrus from Revelation indeed indicates the number is
indeed 616, instead of 666.

That's a far cry from "is". That's a very vague "maybe".
Regardless, it's beside the point. 666 is now part of western
culture, regardless of what religion people are, or what the
roots are. 666 is universally known as the sign of the devil.
It is 666 that occurred. On Sept 11. The evidence is all
there and scientifically verifiable. Yes, it could have been
a coincidence. But there are some more fundamental
questions that I raised. Basically why wasn't it YOU that
wrote that message? Are they all just rag-heads to you?
BFN. Paul.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 10:34:08 PM
In our last episode
<42cf203c$0$790$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Paul Edwards pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:QbCdnU-lAuJhh1LfRVn-2g@megapath.net...

Only problem being that the number in the bible is actuall 616...


"While many Bible have footnotes saying the number translated from the
original Greek could be 616, experts say new photographic evidence of an
ancient fragment of papyrus from Revelation indeed indicates the number
is indeed 616, instead of 666.


That's a far cry from "is". That's a very vague "maybe".

It's not so "maybe" actually. It's been debated for years now but the new
evidence is weighing in rather heavily.

Regardless, it's beside the point. 666 is now part of western culture,
regardless of what religion people are, or what the roots are. 666 is
universally known as the sign of the devil. It is 666 that occurred. On
Sept 11.

Sorry but... so what?

The evidence is all there and scientifically verifiable. Yes,
it could have been a coincidence. But there are some more fundamental
questions that I raised. Basically why wasn't it YOU that wrote that
message? Are they all just rag-heads to you?

Yeah, uh huh, okay.
Frankly, the page was impenetrable and it's been long day with Dennis
dogging us. I didn't get through it and still don't know what you're on
about...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Paul Edwards"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 09 Jul 2005 04:36:08 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:x4adnUR2hOwt2FLfRVn-sA@megapath.net...

"While many Bible have footnotes saying the number translated from the
original Greek could be 616, experts say new photographic evidence of an
ancient fragment of papyrus from Revelation indeed indicates the number
is indeed 616, instead of 666.


That's a far cry from "is". That's a very vague "maybe".


It's not so "maybe" actually. It's been debated for years now but the new
evidence is weighing in rather heavily.

When I said "the bible", I was referring to the version that
is in millions of homes around the world, which potentially
includes errors in translation, not the one you imagine exists
in ancient fragments of papyrus. Sorry for the confusion, I'll
be more specific next time.

Regardless, it's beside the point. 666 is now part of western culture,
regardless of what religion people are, or what the roots are. 666 is
universally known as the sign of the devil. It is 666 that occurred. On
Sept 11.


Sorry but... so what?

So, 666 has occurred in a very unique circumstance, which
is scientifically verifiable, as per original post.

The evidence is all there and scientifically verifiable. Yes,
it could have been a coincidence. But there are some more fundamental
questions that I raised. Basically why wasn't it YOU that wrote that
message? Are they all just rag-heads to you?


Yeah, uh huh, okay.

Frankly, the page was impenetrable and it's been long day with Dennis
dogging us. I didn't get through it and still don't know what you're on
about...

What were you doing to ensure that human rights in Iraq were
not lost to a dictator, once again? Or don't you care about
human rights in Iraq? Ditto for Iran et al.
BFN. Paul.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 09 Jul 2005 06:53:47 AM
In our last episode
<42cf9acd$0$780$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Paul Edwards pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:x4adnUR2hOwt2FLfRVn-sA@megapath.net...

"While many Bible have footnotes saying the number translated from
the original Greek could be 616, experts say new photographic
evidence of an ancient fragment of papyrus from Revelation indeed
indicates the number is indeed 616, instead of 666.


That's a far cry from "is". That's a very vague "maybe".


It's not so "maybe" actually. It's been debated for years now but the
new evidence is weighing in rather heavily.


When I said "the bible", I was referring to the version that is in
millions of homes around the world, which potentially includes errors in
translation, not the one you imagine exists in ancient fragments of
papyrus. Sorry for the confusion, I'll be more specific next time.

Regardless, it's beside the point. 666 is now part of western
culture, regardless of what religion people are, or what the roots
are. 666 is universally known as the sign of the devil. It is 666
that occurred. On Sept 11.


Sorry but... so what?


So, 666 has occurred in a very unique circumstance, which is
scientifically verifiable, as per original post.

I still find it funny that the popular culture has apparently made a big
deal about what increasingly appears to be the *wrong *number.
And I still don't see what's so interesting. Just recently (I'm *not
making this up), just a bit before the London attack, for three or four
days, every morning I looked up at the clock in my top menu bar on my
monitor, it was 9:11.
I could make a big deal out of that. But why?

The evidence is all there and scientifically verifiable. Yes, it
could have been a coincidence. But there are some more fundamental
questions that I raised. Basically why wasn't it YOU that wrote that
message? Are they all just rag-heads to you?


Yeah, uh huh, okay.

Frankly, the page was impenetrable and it's been long day with Dennis
dogging us. I didn't get through it and still don't know what you're on
about...


What were you doing to ensure that human rights in Iraq were not lost to a
dictator, once again? Or don't you care about human rights in Iraq?
Ditto for Iran et al.

Not much that can be done. The US public fell for the neoconservative
game. Iraq is probably going to collapse into being a "failed state" or a
US backed "strongman" will take over. The current government of the US
couldn't care less about human rights. They have a geopolitical strategy
and by the time the public catches up (if they ever do), it'll be too late
to do much of anything.
And our recent stunts in the ME have only strengthened the hand of the
authoritarians in Iran. Which is too bad as Iran was moderating over time.
Then again, we should have left them alone back in the '50s. If we hadn't
overthrown their government and installed the Shah, things would probably
look very different over there.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Paul Edwards"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 09 Jul 2005 07:03:28 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:nqGdneVgu_xRJ1LfRVn-ow@megapath.net...

So, 666 has occurred in a very unique circumstance, which is
scientifically verifiable, as per original post.


I still find it funny that the popular culture has apparently made a big
deal about what increasingly appears to be the *wrong *number.

Sure. Just as infuriating as people saying "inquiry" instead
of "enquiry". But English is defined by common usage.
Misspell it enough and the new spelling becomes standard.

And I still don't see what's so interesting. Just recently (I'm *not
making this up), just a bit before the London attack, for three or four
days, every morning I looked up at the clock in my top menu bar on my
monitor, it was 9:11.

I could make a big deal out of that. But why?

They are incomparable. I have the solution for world
freedom. I have a non-Christian based set of ideologies
that need to be exported.

What were you doing to ensure that human rights in Iraq were not lost to a
dictator, once again? Or don't you care about human rights in Iraq?
Ditto for Iran et al.


Not much that can be done. The US public fell for the neoconservative
game.

Ending institutionalized rape/holocaust/state-slavery in
Iraq is not a game. It's the best thing that has happened
since the Soviet Union collapsed.

Iraq is probably going to collapse into being a "failed state" or a
US backed "strongman" will take over.

What did you do to try to determine why Iraq shouldn't
turn into something like Australia instead of a failed
state?
I devoted my life to trying to ensure that Iraq didn't
become another failed state with accompanying
human rights violations.

The current government of the US
couldn't care less about human rights.

That's complete crap. What would you like them to do
about human rights that they aren't already doing?

They have a geopolitical strategy
and by the time the public catches up (if they ever do), it'll be too late
to do much of anything.

There is nothing wrong with their geostrategy.

And our recent stunts in the ME have only strengthened the hand of the
authoritarians in Iran.

Iran is a complete sham. The parliament is only there
to fool people like you. It has no power.

Which is too bad as Iran was moderating over time.

No it wasn't. It was working furiously to build nukes.

Then again, we should have left them alone back in the '50s. If we hadn't
overthrown their government and installed the Shah, things would probably
look very different over there.

We will never know how little we could have done to win
the Cold War. All we know is we did enough.
Now it's time to free Iran.
BFN. Paul.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 09 Jul 2005 08:05:07 AM
In our last episode
<42cfbd56$0$789$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Paul Edwards pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:nqGdneVgu_xRJ1LfRVn-ow@megapath.net...

So, 666 has occurred in a very unique circumstance, which is
scientifically verifiable, as per original post.


I still find it funny that the popular culture has apparently made a big
deal about what increasingly appears to be the *wrong *number.


Sure. Just as infuriating as people saying "inquiry" instead of
"enquiry". But English is defined by common usage. Misspell it enough and
the new spelling becomes standard.

The number is significant because enough people "believe" in it?
Nah, way too theistic in thinking for my tastes.

And I still don't see what's so interesting. Just recently (I'm *not
making this up), just a bit before the London attack, for three or four
days, every morning I looked up at the clock in my top menu bar on my
monitor, it was 9:11.

I could make a big deal out of that. But why?


They are incomparable. I have the solution for world freedom. I have a
non-Christian based set of ideologies that need to be exported.

Oh my. A solution for world freedom. Aren't you the second coming?

What were you doing to ensure that human rights in Iraq were not lost
to a dictator, once again? Or don't you care about human rights in
Iraq? Ditto for Iran et al.


Not much that can be done. The US public fell for the neoconservative
game.


Ending institutionalized rape/holocaust/state-slavery in Iraq is not a
game. It's the best thing that has happened since the Soviet Union
collapsed.

I see. So you fell for the neocon game.

Iraq is probably going to collapse into being a "failed state" or a US
backed "strongman" will take over.


What did you do to try to determine why Iraq shouldn't turn into something
like Australia instead of a failed state?

What did *I do? You want I should wave my magic wishes at them?
I was against neocon imperial ambitions but they had three-quarters to
ninety percent of the country hooked and there's not much *I could do
about that.

I devoted my life to trying to ensure that Iraq didn't become another
failed state with accompanying human rights violations.

How's that workin' out for ya?

The current government of the US
couldn't care less about human rights.


That's complete crap. What would you like them to do about human rights
that they aren't already doing?

Oh you've really fallen for the game.

They have a geopolitical strategy
and by the time the public catches up (if they ever do), it'll be too
late to do much of anything.


There is nothing wrong with their geostrategy.

You're in Australia right? Okay, pay attention then.
Understand that I'm against the idea of my country being the nuclear armed
hegemon of Earth. But when I run into people like you that seem to be
cheering the neocons on in their reach for global dominance, I at least
can be reassured by the fact that *my country will be running the planet.
Our military budget is now equal to the combined budget of everybody else
on Earth. Our nuclear capability not only exceeds everybody else but we're
considering whole new systems (and apparently considering a strategy to
allow nukes to be used in the battlefield). Low Earth orbit will be ours
(just ask our military). And there's a really cool, ICBM style system
being talked about that will enable us to deliver weapons anywhere on the
planet in about 45 minutes.
Oh yeah, once we finish repositioning in the Middle East, we'll control
the last major oil reserves on Earth.
Welcome to the Empire!

And our recent stunts in the ME have only strengthened the hand of the
authoritarians in Iran.


Iran is a complete sham. The parliament is only there to fool people like
you. It has no power.

So it was a great idea to convince them we were on the verge of invading?
I'm sure that helped.

Which is too bad as Iran was moderating over time.


No it wasn't. It was working furiously to build nukes.

Or not. According to the neos, so was Iraq. Funny thing, nobody can find
these "WMDs." Weird huh?

Then again, we should have left them alone back in the '50s. If we
hadn't overthrown their government and installed the Shah, things would
probably look very different over there.


We will never know how little we could have done to win the Cold War. All
we know is we did enough.

Actually, we did far too much. The USSR was collapsing under its own
weight. The build up under Reagan was utterly pointless. We knew even then
that the USSR had begun to decline. But, like now, nobody listened to the
CIA.

Now it's time to free Iran.

No, now it's time to put Iran and Saudi Arabia under *our control. That
way, you, the EU, China, et al will have to depend on us for oil.
You should continue to kiss US *****. I mean, Australia? Like it'd make a
difference if *you objected to us running the planet...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Paul Edwards"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 09 Jul 2005 10:15:23 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:wcWdnYieVIoeVlLfRVn-rQ@megapath.net...

Sure. Just as infuriating as people saying "inquiry" instead of
"enquiry". But English is defined by common usage. Misspell it enough and
the new spelling becomes standard.


The number is significant because enough people "believe" in it?

The number is significant because it is what our culture
universally recognizes as the sign of the devil. Even
people who don't believe in such things as the devil
(like me), still recognize it as such.

Nah, way too theistic in thinking for my tastes.

Nothing theistic about it. It's a hard fact.

And I still don't see what's so interesting. Just recently (I'm *not
making this up), just a bit before the London attack, for three or four
days, every morning I looked up at the clock in my top menu bar on my
monitor, it was 9:11.

I could make a big deal out of that. But why?


They are incomparable. I have the solution for world freedom. I have a
non-Christian based set of ideologies that need to be exported.


Oh my. A solution for world freedom. Aren't you the second coming?

It's there. If you don't care about it, it just shows you for
what you are.

What were you doing to ensure that human rights in Iraq were not lost
to a dictator, once again? Or don't you care about human rights in
Iraq? Ditto for Iran et al.


Not much that can be done. The US public fell for the neoconservative
game.


Ending institutionalized rape/holocaust/state-slavery in Iraq is not a
game. It's the best thing that has happened since the Soviet Union
collapsed.


I see. So you fell for the neocon game.

There's no game about ending rape.
Go and watch the torture videos here and see what you supported
by opposing the liberation of the Iraqi people:
http://kurdo.blogspot.com/2005/04/british-elections-and-iraq-war-as.html

Iraq is probably going to collapse into being a "failed state" or a US
backed "strongman" will take over.


What did you do to try to determine why Iraq shouldn't turn into something
like Australia instead of a failed state?


What did *I do? You want I should wave my magic wishes at them?

No, I wanted you to convince as many people as possible
that whenever the Anglophones go to war, the world
becomes a better place, and that everyone has the right
to live in freedom, and we all have an obligation to
end institutionalized rape/holocaust.

I was against neocon imperial ambitions but they had three-quarters to
ninety percent of the country hooked and there's not much *I could do
about that.

The fact that you were against the ending of institutionalized
rape says it all. You didn't give a damn about the human
rights of the Iraqi women. THIS is why you didn't write
message 666, and I did instead.

I devoted my life to trying to ensure that Iraq didn't become another
failed state with accompanying human rights violations.


How's that workin' out for ya?

I'm doing my best to ensure that women are protected from
being raped by their government. Results are pretty good.
Howard and Bush got reelected. That was what I was after.

The current government of the US
couldn't care less about human rights.


That's complete crap. What would you like them to do about human rights
that they aren't already doing?


Oh you've really fallen for the game.

Avoding the question.

They have a geopolitical strategy
and by the time the public catches up (if they ever do), it'll be too
late to do much of anything.


There is nothing wrong with their geostrategy.


You're in Australia right? Okay, pay attention then.

Correct.

Understand that I'm against the idea of my country being the nuclear armed
hegemon of Earth. But when I run into people like you that seem to be
cheering the neocons on in their reach for global dominance, I at least
can be reassured by the fact that *my country will be running the planet.

The US doesn't subjugate any country. What it does is make
sure that no-one else subjugates the people either. This is the
crucial difference. And this is the winning strategy. The US
doesn't need to expend any resources to maintain this "empire".
Anti-subjugators, such as in NATO, NATURALLY ally with
other anti-subjugators, for protection against subjugators.
The word "subjugate" is what I was looking for for 37 years.
This is what freedom is. Freedom from subjugation.

Our military budget is now equal to the combined budget of everybody else
on Earth. Our nuclear capability not only exceeds everybody else but we're
considering whole new systems (and apparently considering a strategy to
allow nukes to be used in the battlefield). Low Earth orbit will be ours
(just ask our military). And there's a really cool, ICBM style system
being talked about that will enable us to deliver weapons anywhere on the
planet in about 45 minutes.

So? Until the ideological enemies are defeated, I have nothing
but respect for the US for doing the heavy-lifting.
http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/06/thanks-america.html

Oh yeah, once we finish repositioning in the Middle East, we'll control
the last major oil reserves on Earth.

The US doesn't control the oil in Iraq. The Iraqis do. Via
their elected government.

Welcome to the Empire!

It's not an empire. It's a collection of anti-subjugators. We're
in the TRIBE of anti-subjugators.
What is your reaction to this statement?
I pledge allegiance to use my brain to fight subjugation of
my species, do you?
BTW, what do you think it is that makes Australia turn up to
WWI (on time), WWII (on time), Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan,
Iraq? No other country has the track record we have.

Iran is a complete sham. The parliament is only there to fool people like
you. It has no power.


So it was a great idea to convince them we were on the verge of invading?
I'm sure that helped.

It is neither a help nor a hindrance. It is irrelevant. It is a
complete con job to fool gullible moral-equivalence people
such as yourself.

Which is too bad as Iran was moderating over time.


No it wasn't. It was working furiously to build nukes.


Or not. According to the neos, so was Iraq. Funny thing, nobody can find
these "WMDs." Weird huh?

Saddam had a cagey attitude and a record of deceit. Read
the explanation to France for that:
http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/06/merci-france.html

Then again, we should have left them alone back in the '50s. If we
hadn't overthrown their government and installed the Shah, things would
probably look very different over there.


We will never know how little we could have done to win the Cold War. All
we know is we did enough.


Actually, we did far too much. The USSR was collapsing under its own
weight. The build up under Reagan was utterly pointless. We knew even then
that the USSR had begun to decline. But, like now, nobody listened to the
CIA.

No-one knew that the Soviet Union was about to collapse.
That's just being wise after the event and then claiming
how "obvious" it was at the time. It's crap.

Now it's time to free Iran.


No, now it's time to put Iran and Saudi Arabia under *our control. That
way, you, the EU, China, et al will have to depend on us for oil.

Australia et al don't join these coalitions so that the US can
"control" oil (whatever you think that means). The US pays
the same price for oil regardless of whether Iraq is a
dictatorship or a democracy. It's also pumped at maximum
capacity regardless.

You should continue to kiss US *****. I mean, Australia? Like it'd make a
difference if *you objected to us running the planet...

I'm Australian. I don't kiss anyone's arse. You just have
no concept of friendship and allegiance. You have no
concept of fighting for freedom, and seeing the joy on
free people's faces. That's why you weren't on the Iraqi
blogs watching the beauty of Iraqis finally being free to
speak out. I was, you weren't. That's why I wrote message
666 and you didn't.
BFN. Paul.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 09 Jul 2005 01:53:25 PM
In our last episode
<42cfea53$0$787$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>,
Paul Edwards pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

The US doesn't subjugate any country.

And if we are, what are you going to do about it?
Skippy, none of this is some dark conspiracy, the neoconservative movement
has been around a while. They *told us what they would do if they gained
power. Power they now have. Iraq was planned years ago. And you want to
know where I'm getting "empire?" They used to use it openly before we
bogged down in Iraq. Used to hear talk about the American Empire a lot
over here. Not that they've given up, they've just gotten quieter.
Iraq was never about "liberating" anybody. That's why we're building
permanent bases. Our "exit strategy" is: "Who says we're leaving?"
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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User: "Bad Wolf"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 08 Jul 2005 02:54:40 PM
In the great debate about "Sign of the Beast" in alt.atheism, "Paul
Edwards" <kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to> catapaulted the following boulder:

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
Sept 11) appeared in a certain context. You can be
the judge as to whether it is divine or not...

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html

BFN. Paul.

666 is inevitable, it belongs in a sequence of numbers between 665 and
667 and will automatically be used unless conscious steps are taken to
avoid it. For another example of avoiding unfortunate numbers: a few
years ago, the Heiniken brewery in Luton, once released a series of
batches of lager numbered K6P, K7P, K8P. The next batch was numbered
K8aP!
And that, folks is as seriously as this issue needs to be taken.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
.

User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 09 Jul 2005 12:08:49 AM
TV's Paul Edwards wrote:

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
Sept 11) appeared in a certain context. You can be
the judge as to whether it is divine or not...

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html

They lost all credibility as soon as they mentioned "left-wing media."
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "Paul Edwards"

Title: Re: Sign of the Beast 09 Jul 2005 04:31:22 AM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jrKdnU5_vMBnxlLfRVn-3Q@centurytel.net...

TV's Paul Edwards wrote:

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of
Sept 11) appeared in a certain context. You can be
the judge as to whether it is divine or not...

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005/07/sign-of-beast.html


They lost all credibility as soon as they mentioned "left-wing media."

That term does not diminish the scientifically-verifiable
facts.
BFN. Paul.
.



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