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Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The (London) Telegraph ^ | June 27, 2006 | Malcolm Moore
Posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:12 AM PDT by rrstar96
The Pope has demanded an end to electric guitars and modern music in
church and a return to traditional choirs.
The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding
Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars
has grown in popularity in Italy; in Spain it has been set to flamenco
music; and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a
"psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.
However, the use of guitars and tambourines has irritated the Pope, who
loves classical music. "It is possible to modernise holy music," the
Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci the director
of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the
traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral
music."
His comments prompted the newspaper La Stampa to compare him with Pope
Pius X, who denounced faddish classical and baroque compositions and
reinstated Gregorian chants in 1903.
The Pope's supporters argue that the music played during Mass is a
vital part of the communion between worshippers and God, and that
medieval church music, with the liturgy, creates the correct ambience
for perceiving God's mystery.
Cardinal Ersilio Tonini, the Archbishop of Ravenna, said:"Mass is the
presence of Christ and the music adds so much more when the harmony
allows the mind to transcend the concrete to the divine."
But Cardinal Carlo Furno, grand master of the Equestrian Order of the
Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, said it was "better to have guitars on the
altar and rock and roll Masses than empty churches". The use of modern
music was a "sign of the vitality of the faith".
The argument is part of a wider debate about the Latin Mass, restricted
in the Vatican II reforms of the 1960s because it was seen to be
putting worshippers off going to Church.
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
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28 Jun 2006 11:57:56 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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Silence modern music in church, says Pope
the Pope is a douche
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28 Jun 2006 08:51:40 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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The argument is part of a wider debate about the Latin Mass, restricted
in the Vatican II reforms of the 1960s because it was seen to be
putting worshippers off going to Church.
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
I for one would love to see the Latin Mass reintroduced and made obligatory.
Since the vast majority of people don't speak latin, it will be that much
easier to ignore what the priest is ranting about.
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28 Jun 2006 08:52:32 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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The argument is part of a wider debate about the Latin Mass, restricted
in the Vatican II reforms of the 1960s because it was seen to be
putting worshippers off going to Church.
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
I for one would love to see the Latin Mass reintroduced and made obligatory.
Since the vast majority of people don't speak latin, it will be that much
easier to ignore what the priest is ranting about.
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28 Jun 2006 09:26:52 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The (London) Telegraph ^ | June 27, 2006 | Malcolm Moore
Posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:12 AM PDT by rrstar96
The Pope has demanded an end to electric guitars and modern music in
church and a return to traditional choirs.
The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding
Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars
has grown in popularity in Italy; in Spain it has been set to flamenco
music; and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a
"psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.
However, the use of guitars and tambourines has irritated the Pope, who
loves classical music. "It is possible to modernise holy music," the
Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci the director
of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the
traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral
music."
His comments prompted the newspaper La Stampa to compare him with Pope
Pius X, who denounced faddish classical and baroque compositions and
reinstated Gregorian chants in 1903.
The Pope's supporters argue that the music played during Mass is a
vital part of the communion between worshippers and God, and that
medieval church music, with the liturgy, creates the correct ambience
for perceiving God's mystery.
Cardinal Ersilio Tonini, the Archbishop of Ravenna, said:"Mass is the
presence of Christ and the music adds so much more when the harmony
allows the mind to transcend the concrete to the divine."
But Cardinal Carlo Furno, grand master of the Equestrian Order of the
Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, said it was "better to have guitars on the
altar and rock and roll Masses than empty churches". The use of modern
music was a "sign of the vitality of the faith".
The argument is part of a wider debate about the Latin Mass, restricted
in the Vatican II reforms of the 1960s because it was seen to be
putting worshippers off going to Church.
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
If more people learnt latin the old 666 beast would be out of a job.
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28 Jun 2006 01:58:32 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The pope is an old moron who was in the Hitler youth,
says the Repair Guy.
The Repair Guy
repairguy1993 dot netfirms dot com
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28 Jun 2006 03:29:09 AM |
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"The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new
ways of holding Mass to try to attract more people."
sure, ban certain musical instruments, that'll work.
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28 Jun 2006 02:33:46 PM |
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***** the Pope.
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They can go pound sand.
Read "Muzzled" by Michael Smerconish
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28 Jun 2006 02:38:24 PM |
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In article <uQAog.3090$Ws2.3045@trndny04> Vlad <Roddy9@verizon.net> writes:
***** the Pope.
Oh dear. Do we HAVE to?
-- cary
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28 Jun 2006 02:49:00 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <uQAog.3090$Ws2.3045@trndny04> Vlad <Roddy9@verizon.net>
writes:
***** the Pope.
Oh dear. Do we HAVE to?
I'm not gonna and you can't make me!
Why, the very idea! Eeeewwww.
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Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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28 Jun 2006 05:06:18 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <uQAog.3090$Ws2.3045@trndny04> Vlad <Roddy9@verizon.net>
writes:
***** the Pope.
Oh dear. Do we HAVE to?
only the boys who've not got their pubic hairs yet.
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01 Jul 2006 01:24:51 AM |
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In article <uQAog.3090$Ws2.3045@trndny04>, Vlad <Roddy9@verizon.net>
wrote:
***** the Pope.
And the horse he rode into town on.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
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Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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30 Jun 2006 11:05:47 PM |
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In article <1151479842.840814.49220@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The (London) Telegraph ^ | June 27, 2006 | Malcolm Moore
Posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:12 AM PDT by rrstar96
[...]
The Pope's supporters argue that the music played during Mass is a
vital part of the communion between worshippers and God, and that
medieval church music, with the liturgy, creates the correct ambience
for perceiving God's mystery.
Yeah, down with modernist perverts like Mozart! And that Verdi guy?
Fuggedaboutit! And don't even *talk* to me about the ***** Britten!
Well, there you have it, ladies and germs: the new Pope is clearly one
of the finest minds of the 14th century.
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01 Jul 2006 08:10:47 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:05:47 GMT, "The Doge of St. Louis"
<thedoge@pobox.com> wrote:
In article <1151479842.840814.49220@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The (London) Telegraph ^ | June 27, 2006 | Malcolm Moore
Posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:12 AM PDT by rrstar96
[...]
The Pope's supporters argue that the music played during Mass is a
vital part of the communion between worshippers and God, and that
medieval church music, with the liturgy, creates the correct ambience
for perceiving God's mystery.
Yeah, down with modernist perverts like Mozart! And that Verdi guy?
Fuggedaboutit! And don't even *talk* to me about the ***** Britten!
Well, there you have it, ladies and germs: the new Pope is clearly one
of the finest minds of the 14th century.
Maybe he can convince Bono to do an album of Gregorian Chants....
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28 Jun 2006 03:38:01 AM |
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On 28 Jun 2006 00:30:42 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The (London) Telegraph ^ | June 27, 2006 | Malcolm Moore
Posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:12 AM PDT by rrstar96
The Pope has demanded an end to electric guitars and modern music in
church and a return to traditional choirs.
The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding
Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars
has grown in popularity in Italy; in Spain it has been set to flamenco
music; and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a
"psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.
However, the use of guitars and tambourines has irritated the Pope, who
loves classical music. "It is possible to modernise holy music," the
Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci the director
of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the
traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral
music."
His comments prompted the newspaper La Stampa to compare him with Pope
Pius X, who denounced faddish classical and baroque compositions and
reinstated Gregorian chants in 1903.
The Pope's supporters argue that the music played during Mass is a
vital part of the communion between worshippers and God, and that
medieval church music, with the liturgy, creates the correct ambience
for perceiving God's mystery.
Cardinal Ersilio Tonini, the Archbishop of Ravenna, said:"Mass is the
presence of Christ and the music adds so much more when the harmony
allows the mind to transcend the concrete to the divine."
But Cardinal Carlo Furno, grand master of the Equestrian Order of the
Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, said it was "better to have guitars on the
altar and rock and roll Masses than empty churches". The use of modern
music was a "sign of the vitality of the faith".
The argument is part of a wider debate about the Latin Mass, restricted
in the Vatican II reforms of the 1960s because it was seen to be
putting worshippers off going to Church.
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
Electric Prune revival. Oh yeah. They're my fav.
"5 fingers, 5 strings and 1 *****!"
K.R.
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28 Jun 2006 03:07:24 PM |
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5Fingers wrote:
Electric Prune revival. Oh yeah. They're my fav.
Prunes still sound great even _after_ you run
out of drugs. Long live.
"5 fingers, 5 strings
Bass, banjo, or guitar?
and 1 *****!"
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28 Jun 2006 11:00:50 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Sound of Trumpet
(soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm) made the light shine upon us with this:
Is a Quitar one string short of a Guitar? Is that why it is the instrument
of choice in your church?
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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28 Jun 2006 03:16:14 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet a =E9crit :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
More proof showing that the catholic church is forever stuck in the
Middle-Age...
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28 Jun 2006 08:41:48 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sound of Trumpet a écrit :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
More proof showing that the catholic church is forever stuck in the
Middle-Age...
What do you want? A modern Church with Pole dancers?
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28 Jun 2006 09:45:54 AM |
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"H Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sound of Trumpet a écrit :
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more
Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
More proof showing that the catholic church is forever stuck in the
Middle-Age...
What do you want? A modern Church with Pole dancers?
German dancers. Pole dancers were for the last one.
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Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
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28 Jun 2006 09:45:12 AM |
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H Dickmann wrote:
What do you want? A modern Church with Pole dancers?
Sure. That makes at least as much sense as electing a pope who was once
a Hitler Youth member.
- Rich
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02 Jul 2006 01:15:37 PM |
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Dr. Zontar wrote:
H Dickmann wrote:
What do you want? A modern Church with Pole dancers?
Sure. That makes at least as much sense as electing a pope who was once
a Hitler Youth member.
Or electing a president whose grandpappy was Hitler's banker
and who sold oil and steel to the nazis.
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28 Jun 2006 08:40:58 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sound of Trumpet a écrit :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
More proof showing that the catholic church is forever stuck in the
Middle-Age...
Yep. That's what happens when you stick to the truth.
BAM
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28 Jun 2006 09:27:54 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> posting the following on Wed, 28 Jun
2006 09:40:58 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
More proof showing that the catholic church is forever stuck in the
Middle-Age...
Yep. That's what happens when you stick to the truth.
Don't know much history, I take it?
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the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing." - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
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02 Jul 2006 11:02:20 AM |
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go pedal this horseshit in a group that cares,and stop pandering to this
trolls need for attention
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28 Jun 2006 08:16:20 AM |
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Parsifal wrote:
Sound of Trumpet a =E9crit :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
More proof showing that the catholic church is forever stuck in the
Middle-Age...
..=2EAs if any more proof was needed..
PDW
http://www.geocities.com/incognito_press
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28 Jun 2006 03:08:00 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
The Pope has demanded an end to electric guitars and modern music in
church and a return to traditional choirs.
The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding
Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars
has grown in popularity in Italy; in Spain it has been set to flamenco
music; and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a
"psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.
However, the use of guitars and tambourines has irritated the Pope, who
loves classical music. "It is possible to modernise holy music," the
Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci the director
of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the
traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral
music."
In other words, the Pope is another banjo player.
Well, I am sorry the Pope doesn't like electric guitars. That just
makes my considerable collection of vintage instruments all the more
valuable.
It definitely makes for playing with more feeling if when you are play
a heavy blues you feel like you are the Winged Spawn of Satan making
your black Stratocaster squeal.
But Cardinal Carlo Furno, grand master of the Equestrian Order of the
Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, said it was "better to have guitars on the
altar and rock and roll Masses than empty churches".
There you go, there is a cardinal who can read the writing on the wall.
For Gregorian chants mixed with heavenly electric guitar the Pope
should check Enigma, specially the track, "The Principle of Lust."
Amen.
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28 Jun 2006 03:21:08 PM |
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Tiglath wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
The Pope has demanded an end to electric guitars and modern music in
church and a return to traditional choirs.
The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding
Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars
has grown in popularity in Italy; in Spain it has been set to flamenco
music; and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a
"psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.
However, the use of guitars and tambourines has irritated the Pope, who
loves classical music. "It is possible to modernise holy music," the
Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci the director
of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the
traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral
music."
In other words, the Pope is another banjo player.
Careful there. Us banjo players are slow to forgive.
'Sides, you haven't really heard a Tony Iommi descending
7th chord riff until you've heard it played Don Reno
two-finger style.
Well, I am sorry the Pope doesn't like electric guitars. That just
makes my considerable collection of vintage instruments all the more
valuable.
It definitely makes for playing with more feeling if when you are play
a heavy blues you feel like you are the Winged Spawn of Satan making
your black Stratocaster squeal.
But Cardinal Carlo Furno, grand master of the Equestrian Order of the
Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, said it was "better to have guitars on the
altar and rock and roll Masses than empty churches".
There you go, there is a cardinal who can read the writing on the wall.
For Gregorian chants mixed with heavenly electric guitar the Pope
should check Enigma, specially the track, "The Principle of Lust."
I say he should check out Orbital, specifically the track, "Satan."
That particular takeoff on the ***** Surfers always gives me a warm,
spiritual feeling.
Amen.
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| Title: Re: Silence Electric Quitars And Modern Music In Church, Says Pope |
28 Jun 2006 03:43:54 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The (London) Telegraph ^ | June 27, 2006 | Malcolm Moore
Posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:12 AM PDT by rrstar96
The Pope has demanded an end to electric guitars and modern music in
church and a return to traditional choirs.
The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding
Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars
has grown in popularity in Italy; in Spain it has been set to flamenco
music; and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a
"psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.
However, the use of guitars and tambourines has irritated the Pope, who
loves classical music. "It is possible to modernise holy music," the
Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci the director
of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the
traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral
music."
His comments prompted the newspaper La Stampa to compare him with Pope
Pius X, who denounced faddish classical and baroque compositions and
reinstated Gregorian chants in 1903.
The Pope's supporters argue that the music played during Mass is a
vital part of the communion between worshippers and God, and that
medieval church music, with the liturgy, creates the correct ambience
for perceiving God's mystery.
Cardinal Ersilio Tonini, the Archbishop of Ravenna, said:"Mass is the
presence of Christ and the music adds so much more when the harmony
allows the mind to transcend the concrete to the divine."
But Cardinal Carlo Furno, grand master of the Equestrian Order of the
Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, said it was "better to have guitars on the
altar and rock and roll Masses than empty churches". The use of modern
music was a "sign of the vitality of the faith".
The argument is part of a wider debate about the Latin Mass, restricted
in the Vatican II reforms of the 1960s because it was seen to be
putting worshippers off going to Church.
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
Electric Guitarists beware of the next Inquisition, but take comfort in
knowing that you'll only be killed in the name of the Lord.
Eric
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Silence Electric Quitars And Modern Music In Church, Says Pope |
28 Jun 2006 05:34:16 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The (London) Telegraph ^ | June 27, 2006 | Malcolm Moore
Posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:12 AM PDT by rrstar96
The Pope has demanded an end to electric guitars and modern music in
church and a return to traditional choirs.
The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding
Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars
has grown in popularity in Italy; in Spain it has been set to flamenco
music; and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a
"psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.
However, the use of guitars and tambourines has irritated the Pope, who
loves classical music. "It is possible to modernise holy music," the
Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci the director
of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the
traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral
music."
His comments prompted the newspaper La Stampa to compare him with Pope
Pius X, who denounced faddish classical and baroque compositions and
reinstated Gregorian chants in 1903.
The Pope's supporters argue that the music played during Mass is a
vital part of the communion between worshippers and God, and that
medieval church music, with the liturgy, creates the correct ambience
for perceiving God's mystery.
Cardinal Ersilio Tonini, the Archbishop of Ravenna, said:"Mass is the
presence of Christ and the music adds so much more when the harmony
allows the mind to transcend the concrete to the divine."
But Cardinal Carlo Furno, grand master of the Equestrian Order of the
Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, said it was "better to have guitars on the
altar and rock and roll Masses than empty churches". The use of modern
music was a "sign of the vitality of the faith".
The argument is part of a wider debate about the Latin Mass, restricted
in the Vatican II reforms of the 1960s because it was seen to be
putting worshippers off going to Church.
The Pope believes that if Latin Masses are reintroduced, more Catholics
will learn the words to the Gregorian chants that he advocates.
I went to a different church today, and after they started a Tridentine
mass, I walked out at the Kyre. When were these reintroduced? I
thought bishops have been excommunicated for keeping to it.
The best mass I went to in recent memory had no singing, the antiphons
were said, and there was no deviation from the written text. I also
think Eucharistic Prayer IV is underused, and I'm sure some monks could
write some more e.g. emphasis on the Passion.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Silence Electric Quitars And Modern Music In Church, Says Pope |
28 Jun 2006 06:11:29 PM |
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Dave wrote:
The best mass I went to in recent memory had no singing, the antiphons
were said, and there was no deviation from the written text. I also
think Eucharistic Prayer IV is underused, and I'm sure some monks could
write some more e.g. emphasis on the Passion.
Passe. Body suspension is _so_ 1990s.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Silence Electric Quitars And Modern Music In Church, Says Pope |
28 Jun 2006 03:00:53 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656523/posts
Silence modern music in church, says Pope
The (London) Telegraph ^ | June 27, 2006 | Malcolm Moore
Posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:12 AM PDT by rrstar96
The Pope has demanded an end to electric guitars and modern music in
church and a return to traditional choirs.
The pope can kiss the ***** of Leo G. Fender's rotting corpse
for that comment.
The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding
Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars
has grown in popularity in Italy; in Spain it has been set to flamenco
music; and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a
"psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.
Right. That particular album's dated 1967.
Good to see you're keeping up with these things.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Silence Pope, says Modern Music |
28 Jun 2006 02:58:51 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
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"Stained glass windows keep the cold outside
While the hypocrites hide inside
With the lies of statues in their minds
Where the Christian religion made them blind
Where they hide
And prey to the God of a ***** spelled backwards is dog
Not for one race, one creed, one world
But for money
Effective
Absurd
This is religion
There's a liar on the altar
The sermon never falter
This is religion
Do you pray to the Holy Ghost when you suck your host
Do you read who's dead in the Irish Post
Do you give away the cash you can't afford
On bended knees and pray to lord
Fat pig priest
Sanctimonious smiles
He takes the money
You take the lies
This is religion
A liar on the altar
Sermon never falter
This is religion
This is religion and Jesus Christ
This is religion cheaply priced
This is bibles full of libel
This is sin in eternal hymn
This is what they've done
This is your religion
The apostles were eleven
Now there's a sod in Heaven
This is religion
Liar on the altar
The sermon never falter
This is religion
This is religion
This is religion
This is religion
This is religion
This is religion
A liar on the altar
A sermon never falter
This is religion
This is religion
Your religion
And it's all falling to bits gloriously
This is religion"
-John Lydon, copyright 1978
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
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"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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